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| 2014/1/7-2/5 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Reference/Religion] UID:54762 Activity:nil |
1/7 Are you from a family of Mormons, Cuban exiles, Nigerian Americans,
Indian Americans, Chinese Americans, American Jews, Iranian Americans
or Lebanese Americans?
http://www.csua.org/u/123d (shine.yahoo.com)
\_ Somehow she misssed WASP Episcopalians. |
| 2013/5/28-7/3 [Reference/Religion] UID:54684 Activity:nil |
5/28 San Francisco, 24% very religious:
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/04/americas-most-and-least-religious-metro-areas/5180
\_ I expected Boulder, CO, being in the Mid-West, to be pretty
religious. Yet it's only 17%.
\_ God damn hippies.
\_ It says religiousity is negatively associated with "the share of
adults that are college graduates (-.42), the level of innovation
(-.45), and the share of knowledge, professional and creative jobs
(-.35)."
\_ this is published by a liberal web site, what do you expect?
\_ This is true. If you just read your bible and pray a lot
you will come to a different conclusion. |
| 2013/4/9-5/18 [Reference/Religion] UID:54648 Activity:nil |
4/8 "Do We Need God to be Moral?"
http://news.yahoo.com/god-moral-093606607--abc-news-tech.html
"The seeds for moral behavior preceded the emergence of our species
by millions of years, ..." |
| 2013/3/29-5/18 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:54643 Activity:nil |
3/29 Old news but HITLERISM IS BACK!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/29/circumcision-ban-ignites-a-religious-battle-in-ger/?page=all
\_ The "religious-battle-in-ger" part in the URL is funny. "ger" in
Cantonese happens to refer to the male genital. |
| 2013/3/14-5/5 [Reference/Religion] UID:54627 Activity:nil |
3/14 Is the Story of Pi pro or anti God? I'd like to know before
I go watch it.
\_ Pi is pro God, the tiger is anti God. Makes for some stimulating debate.
\_ Pi is pro God, the tiger is anti God. Makes for some stimulating
debate.
\_ I thought the tiger IS God.
\_ Isn't the tiger supposed to be Tiger Woods?
\_ Is that tiger's wood like Tiger Woods'? |
| 2013/3/13-4/16 [Reference/Religion] UID:54623 Activity:nil |
3/13 The new pope is from Argentina. http://www.csua.org/u/zgr Does it make another Falkland War between Argentina and the Anglican UK more likely? |
| 2012/12/30-2013/1/24 [Reference/Religion, Health/Women] UID:54571 Activity:nil |
12/30 Women on jdate look hot. Do I need to give up bacon to
date them?
\_ http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-04-10
\_ Don't know, but you may have to give up your foreskin to date them.
\_ I think this is a deal breaker for most men, and why
throughout history Christianity always overwhelms Judaism.
In Christianity the barrier to entry is much lower, the recruitment
strategy is much more aggressive, the church income (10%) is higher,
the marketing is superior (hot women in church), and most
importantly you don't need a painful cosmetic surgery on your dick.
In another word, Christianity is a well run corporation and
Judaism is just another mom and pop store.
\_ I think this is a deal breaker for most men, and why throughout
history Christianity always overwhelms Judaism. In Christianity
the barrier to entry is much lower, the recruitment strategy is
much more aggressive, the church income (10%) is higher, the
marketing is superior (hot women in church), and most
importantly you don't need a painful cosmetic surgery on your
dick. In another word, Christianity is a well run corporation
and Judaism is just another mom and pop store.
\_ What is the "10%" number relative to?
\_ What about Catholicism?
\_ I was cirumcised as a child, as are most American men. No
problem for us red-blooded patriotic Isreal-loving Americans.
\_ Most Christians believe in the literal truth of The Bible,
which means they are stuck with a 2 millenial old system
suited for tribal sheepheaders. Judaism has something called
the Talmud where you can argue endlessly about the right
way to do things. So it evolves over time.
EEPROM >> CD-ROM |
| 2012/12/28-2013/1/24 [Reference/Religion] UID:54570 Activity:nil |
12/28 Looking for a religiousness density map based on county. Is there
one out there?
\_ Try http://search.census.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=census&query=religion+by+county
\_ Public Law 94-521 prohibits us from asking a question on religious
affiliation on a mandatory basis; therefore, the Bureau of the Census
is not the source for information on religion.
\_ http://religions.pewforum.org/maps
This is some interesting by state data.
\_ http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/04/americas-most-and-least-religious-metro-areas/5180 |
| 2012/12/5-18 [Reference/Religion] UID:54547 Activity:nil |
12/5 Why the hell are there so many Christians in the Fremont area?
\_ Really? I know there are a lot of Chinese- and Indian-Americans.
Fremont is also the city with the highest Afghan- population in the
U.S., but their numbers are no match to the Chinese- and Indian-
there.
\_ a lot of Chinese Christians there. |
| 2012/10/18-12/4 [Reference/Law/Court, Reference/Religion] UID:54505 Activity:nil |
10/18 Holy s*** I didn't know Atheists are banned from holding
public office in the US:
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/184232/these-7-states-ban-atheists-from-holding-public-office
\_ Yeah, those laws are pretty embarrassing, but they're ancient and
unenforceable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins
\_ Are these the same states that ban garage sales unless you're
selling your garage? |
| 2012/9/26-11/7 [Reference/Religion] UID:54486 Activity:nil |
9/26 http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6827580/mythbusters-does-god-exist Mythbuster: Does God Exist? Let's find out! |
| 2010/9/24-30 [Reference/Religion] UID:53964 Activity:nil |
9/24 http://www.jewishmag.com/115mag/smartjews/smartjews.htm "The Jews are God's Chosen People. They're the best." |
| 2010/9/3-30 [Reference/Religion] UID:53947 Activity:nil |
9/3 'God did not create the universe, says Hawking'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking
'Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe
redundant ...... "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe
can and will create itself from nothing."'
\_ God is made up of strings.
\_ Are those strings called God-strings, or G-strings in short? |
| 2010/6/15-7/2 [Reference/Religion] UID:53861 Activity:nil |
6/15 The God has spoken. :-)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue |
| 2010/4/6-15 [Reference/Law/Court, Reference/Religion] UID:53772 Activity:nil |
4/6 "Ohio Christian convert fights to stay in US"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100406/ap_on_re_us/us_runaway_convert_7
Give her asylum! We need more hot gals like her in this country! |
| 2010/3/23-4/14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Reference/Religion] UID:53758 Activity:nil |
3/23 Oh my God! Even He is a parent who needs to worry about child obesity.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_med_last_supper_obesity |
| 11/23 |
| 2010/1/21-29 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:53653 Activity:nil |
1/20 So I want to give some money to Haiti relief funds and my employer
\_ SOCIALISM
is willing to match it, but I am not really that big a fan of
The Red Cross (they take your donations and then spend them
however they like, not neccessarily on what you gave it to them for).
Who else is a good charity? UNICEF?
\- I believe after some criticism the Red Cross is better about
handling earmarked funds. That being said, at this point the big
global agencies [Red Cross, MSF etc] are asking for unresticted
funds because 1. they have already depleated unrestricted reserve
in Haiti early 2. they have rec'd a lot of restricted Haiti funds
and more is in the pipeline 3. govt are spending money there too
etc. If you go to the RC web page, it does let you semi-earmark.
Although not clear you can do so if you go through other channels
you may need to for matching etc. Also I was unhappy the RC requires
you to give them your email address. I think there is an argument
to be made that if you find a reputable agency which goal aligned
to your philosophy [e.g. georgraphically where do they work, what
do they focus on ... disaster, routine medical/health, microfinance,
literacy, infrastructure (clean water etc)] you should give
unrestricted funds. So I think in this case with a big tide of
money going to Haiti, it's reasoanble to refurbish say the MSF
coffers for work in Africa ... of course this doesnt apply if
your goal is to pipe your dollars to Haiti, as oppose to respond
to a "shock" requiring more resources, or if it seems like down
the road Haiti is out of the news or govt have renegged on pledges
and oranizations you trust are making Haiti-specific appeals again.
Anyway, without a longer detour into philosophy, consider MSF.
Those guys stay in some really fucked up places through thick and
thin and that buys a lot of credibility in my book.
BTW, here is the restrict/unrestricted info for MSF:
http://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/SSLPage.aspx?pid=197&hbc=1?ref=main-menu
(Hmm, I guess MSF requires an email too).
Just dont donate to Wyclef Jean :-)
\_ Don't donate to Kars 4 Kids either. I almost donated my car to
them, until I found out that they are actually a religious
group that uses the donations for spreading the regigion. I'm
not religious but I don't mind donating to religious groups (like
my kid's Christian school) for geunine charity work. However,
Kars 4 Kids is too skewed.
\_ The American Red Cross has one of the lowest overheads among large
charities. For example, the overhead for Hurrican Katrina funds is
9%. (In comparison, the American Cancer Society overhead is 95%.)
(Sources: Wikipedia) |
| 2010/1/20-21 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:53642 Activity:very high |
1/20 So I want to give some money to Haiti relief funds and my employer
is willing to match it, but I am not really that big a fan of
The Red Cross (they take your donations and then spend them
however they like, not neccessarily on what you gave it to them for).
Who else is a good charity? UNICEF?
\- I believe after some criticism the Red Cross is better about
handling earmarked funds. That being said, at this point the big
global agencies [Red Cross, MSF etc] are asking for unresticted
funds because 1. they have already depleated unrestricted reserve
in Haiti early 2. they have rec'd a lot of restricted Haiti funds
and more is in the pipeline 3. govt are spending money there too
etc. If you go to the RC web page, it does let you semi-earmark.
Although not clear you can do so if you go through other channels
you may need to for matching etc. Also I was unhappy the RC requires
you to give them your email address. I think there is an argument
to be made that if you find a reputable agency which goal aligned
to your philosophy [e.g. georgraphically where do they work, what
do they focus on ... disaster, routine medical/health, microfinance,
literacy, infrastructure (clean water etc)] you should give
unrestricted funds. So I think in this case with a big tide of
money going to Haiti, it's reasoanble to refurbish say the MSF
coffers for work in Africa ... of course this doesnt apply if
your goal is to pipe your dollars to Haiti, as oppose to respond
to a "shock" requiring more resources, or if it seems like down
the road Haiti is out of the news or govt have renegged on pledges
and oranizations you trust are making Haiti-specific appeals again.
Anyway, without a longer detour into philosophy, consider MSF.
Those guys stay in some really fucked up places through thick and
thin and that buys a lot of credibility in my book.
BTW, here is the restrict/unrestricted info for MSF:
http://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/SSLPage.aspx?pid=197&hbc=1?ref=main-menu
(Hmm, I guess MSF requires an email too).
Just dont donate to Wyclef Jean :-)
\_ Don't donate to Kars 4 Kids either. I almost donated my car to
them, until I found out that they are actually a religious
group that uses the donations for spreading the regigion. I'm
not religious but I don't mind donating to religious groups (like
my kid's Christian school) for geunine charity work. However,
Kars 4 Kids is too skewed.
\_ The American Red Cross has one of the lowest overheads among large
charities. For example, the overhead for Hurrican Katrina funds is
9%. (In comparison, the American Cancer Society overhead is 95%.)
(Sources: Wikipedia) |
| 2009/11/10-19 [Reference/Religion] UID:53517 Activity:nil |
11/10 "Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens
"Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo for challenging the
view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has
called in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien
life and its implication for the Catholic Church.
"The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the
centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the
stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that
other worlds could be inhabited." |
| 2009/10/11-22 [Reference/Religion] UID:53443 Activity:nil |
10/9 What do suburbs in LA have in common? A swelling of bible thumpers:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-megachurches11-2009oct11,0,1223443.story?track=rss |
| 2009/8/27-9/9 [Reference/Religion] UID:53305 Activity:low |
8/27 ... further proof that Antioch is full of slime balls.
\_ further proof that Contra Costa police are incompetent.
They could have solved the case LOOOOONG time ago.
\_ Antioch is a safe haven for sex offenders:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kidnapped31-2009aug31,0,1096874.story
One San Francisco Chronicle columnist dubbed the city "the finest
slum this side of Stockton."
\_ Christian Fundie slime balls at that.
\_ Uh, this guy had a religion all his own. And was a serially
convicted rapist since the 70s. A shame he wasn't in prison.
\_ Uh huh, this guy hung out on Sproul trying to convert people.
Why is it always the Christian Fundies that do this stuff?
\_ fundies like to live in the middle of nowhere.
Antioch is in the middle of nowhere.
\_ From MSNBC: "Garrido was spotted Tuesday with two children as he
tried to enter the University of California, Berkeley, campus to
hand out religious literature."
God I hate these people. They're killing trees for literatures
that no one really wants to read.
\_ To me it's proof that the kooks who infest Berkeley are far from
the harmless oddballs some portray them to be.
\_ How long do you think Garrido's blog will remain online before
the Feds ask Blogger to take it down?
http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com
\_ can I get a californiwhatthefuckareyouguysdoing?
\_ I read on MOTD that we should release these guys from prison. |
| 2009/7/24-8/6 [Computer/Companies/Google, Reference/Religion] UID:53199 Activity:nil |
7/24 Misha Dynin is a Google Reader God. -k
\_ the other XCF guy is with God.
\_ petm, spencer, josh all happily slave away at GOOG still, though
they are long past the stage of actually needing money. tracs
bailed. |
| 2009/5/20-25 [Reference/Religion] UID:53021 Activity:kinda low |
5/18 Thousands beaten, raped in Irish Catholic reform schools:
http://www.csua.org/u/oag (news.yahoo.com
It's not just the US. So much for Catholicism.
\_ God will forgive them.
\_ Yeah, and God will let them in to Heaven as long as they show
regret. So much for Catholicism.
\_ The good news is that the Catholic church is kicking out father
Cutie for the much worse sin of having consensual sex with an
adult woman.
\_ What? So priests raping children is OK, but a priest having
consensual sex with an adult woman is unforgivable? Is that
Satan I hear laughing?
\_ This is just a Catholic thing, AFAIK. Most Jews and Christian
permit priests to marry and I think it's not a coincidence
that they don't have these molestation problems near as
much as the Catholic Church does.
\_ Christians generally call their "holy men" ministers,
and Jews call theirs Rabbis. Is there any mainline
religion other than the Catholic Church which uses
"priest"?
\_ Not sure what your point is here, but yes. For example,
Eastern Orthodox and Episcopalian. In fact, the
Vatican has allowed Episcopalian priests to convert
even after they have married.
\_ How would allowing heterosexual marriage reduce
molestation of boys by priests?
\_ Are you really that dense?
\_ You meant "tense"?
\_ Priests raping *male* children is okay, but priests having
consensual sex with female adults is not okay. You get it
now?
\_ if only they castrate priests, none of this would be
an issues in the first place. |
| 2009/4/30-5/6 [Reference/Religion] UID:52926 Activity:low |
4/30 Who would Jesus torture? Answer here:
\_ http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html
(According to religious people)
\_ Nazis. http://www.badkarmaproductions.com/jc/?p=35
(According to religious people)
\_ God tortures unrepentant sinners -- see references to Hell.
\_ This is controversial, to say the least.
\_ Not to mention, but it is complete and total blasphemy
for people to assume the place of God. "Judge not, lest
ye be judged". I'm beginning to think that the most rabid
bible-thumping Christians are actually serving Satan. |
| 2009/4/23-28 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:52899 Activity:nil |
4/20 Ok, I am not a Jew hater. In fact, most of my so-called "white"
friends turned out to be Jews. And I am fortunate to have
\_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UeBZiz_Dks
\_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Xiy5aK3AU&NR=1
opportunity to work with whole bunch Israelis and working with them
has been an absolute pleasure. HOWEVER, I just failed to understand
why people got offended by the speech by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In my
relatively neutral point of view (I am an Asian), most of what he
said has strong points. For example, it is obvious that the
Holocaust has greatly enhance the chance of creating the nation of
Israel. and Most Europeans, who has centuries of antisemtic history,
decided that Palestine people should be the one who bear the cost of
this statehood.
It is also true that for all practical purposes, Israel is
a racist Apartheid state. What is wrong with these facts? why
people walked out for Iran to state the obvious? or we don't have
the guts to admit it yet?
\_ why don't we wipe out all the chinese mainlanders so the Taiwanese
can restore the former chinese dynasty? I mean this will greatly
enhance the building up a freer China.
\_ NO FREE SPEECH FOR RACISTS!
\_ My observation: I did not hear the speech but some newspaper quoted
Ahmadinejad mentioning the "question of Holocaust", and that's b.s.
Holocaust is not a question. It's a historic fact. In any way
I don't pay much to what he says because you know he's not sincere.
He's kinda like many other muslim Holocaust deniers. ("Hitler did
not kill all the Jews. And I am glad that he did!")
\_ http://tinyurl.com/d8x9bk
Apparently he did not question the existence of the Holocaust in
this particular speech, though he has in the past.
\_ first of all, he didn't denied it this time. secondly, who
cares if IRAN denies the Holocaust? Last time I checked,
Iran has nothing to do with Holocaust at first place.
What I am seeing is that USA and rest of Europeans are the one
in denial. They want to deny the following trend of logic
1. Holocaust happened, this is not right
2. Jews need a homeland to protect themselves
3. Since non of us want Jews to establish homeland in our
territory, let's do that on Arab's land.
4. let's call Arabs "terrorist" because they don't accept this
arrangement and deny the fact that it was Arabs who provided
safe haven for Jews for centuries.
\_ you're an idiot.
\_ You're an idiot.
\_ NO FREE SPEECH... oh fuggedaboitit
\_ you need to do a better job than that. I am sincere about all
these things I've raised. There is a clear cause-effect
relationship between Holocaust and creation of modern Israel
nation. I felt that majority of European nations and America
are in denial of this. By the way, there was a proposal to
create an Jewish settlement in Alaska around the time of end ofr
WW2. That proposal didn't even made it to the Senate floor and
died in committe.
\_ you're an idiot.
\_ NO FREE SPEECH FOR RACISTS! |
| 2009/3/26 [Reference/Religion] UID:52757 Activity:nil |
3/35 Does Geithner want to play God or be God?
\_ no |
| 2009/1/15-23 [Reference/Religion] UID:52397 Activity:nil |
1/15 http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,601423,00.html |
| 2009/1/6-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:52323 Activity:moderate |
1/6 Any Art History buffs here? I'm trying to find out if people
in the Renaissance used the "golden ratio" to compose their
art work? Do they divide pictures in some magical ratios to
make them look the way they do?
\_ The quick answer is yes; the long answer is that they did, though
not all of them may have done it consciously.
\_ can you provide URL that talks about this? A friend of mine
is asserting that people had no idea what golden ratio was
in those era and they just did what looked good visually.
\_ Google for Fibonacci and the Golden Mean (a video).
\_ iirc, "The Golden Ratio" by Mario Livio includes some discussion
about the use of the golden ratio by Renaissance artists. I think
he has some references to additional reading as well.
\_ Did you just read The Da Vinci Code? You know it's fiction, right?
And that most of the "facts" in it are crap?
\_ http://tinyurl.com/9akvvb
\_ Sure, sure, understood. However, some of the facts were accurate,
insofar as they were presented as facts. -!op
\_ Nope, pretty much everything I read in that book purporting to
be facts were actually wrong.
\_ /shrug. There was an Order of Knights called the Templars.
Opus Dei is a Catholic organization. The Louvre is in
Paris. I don't mean to nitpick, but it's a fiction born
out of lots of facts. That the facts don't fit together as
presented should be obvious from the word "fiction."
\- obviously the large scale stuff is made up, but
the da vinci code is "sloppy" on a lot of quotidian
details. like say somebody set something in berkeley
and said somebody was meeting at the corner of college
and university or said they walked from the i-house to
berkeley marina in 5min or had a 15min coversation
driving from evans hall to the GTU library.
\_ Pretty much everything presented as what the Templars
did or what Opus Dei is is wrong. Simple facts about
the golden ratio are wrong, etc.
\_ Point conceded. How about a nice game of chess?
\_ Yeah, it's a joke. Here's what I noted about it a
few years ago:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4801289&postcount=10
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4801289
-emarkp
\_ Hey, emarkp, can you point me to an historical
mention of Jesus that isn't Flavius Josephus?
All sources seem to point back to FJ, and he's
not exactly unbiased. --erikred
\_ Josephus is the only one off the top of my head
who wasn't a Christian. Justin Martyr wrote
about him circa 100, but he was a convert to
Christianity (I thought by Peter, but now I
can't confirm that, so he's probably third
hand). -emarkp
\_ Josephus is not contemporary with the
events he writes about, so it's hard to
trust his account. --erikred
\- i am not especially knowledgeable
or interested in jebus, but if you
are interested in the historical
evidence, you can look into "the
jesus project" and BART EHRMAN ...
i would say josephus's "issue" is not
so much his temporal distance or his
being a jew rather than an xtian, but
the fact that he very much had an
agenda, and it was not a dispassionate
academic inquiry into the historical
"facts" [i have only read The Jewish
War]. EUSEBIUS is an obvious person to
read, but i dont remember what he says
about the early first cent. You may
also look into PHILO OF ALEXANDERIA
aka PHILO THE JEW but i am not really
familiar with him ... again, i am more
interested in what was going on in rome
and the west than in the levant. of the
great western historians, the greatest,
western historians, the greatest,
tacitus, was not that interested and
says little about the first century
goings on in palestine although there
is some discussion of the events of the
60s. seutonious is a hack so i wont go
on about him. dio cassius has a limited
amount of commentary, but that is even
more removed in time.
i know more about intellectual
and church history than the personal
details about jebus ... if you want
pointers to that stuff, let me know
what kinds of Qs you are interested in.
\_ Kudos to psb and emarkp for the
usual good info. Will be in touch.
--erikred
\- factoid of the day: kudos is
singular. do epong and i have
to split a kudos? :-)
\_ Yes. Knife-fight to ensue.
\_ that's a pretty good rebuttal. I refused to read
the book after a co-worker of mine successfully
argued to others that it was the first book that he
had ever read that actually made him dumber...
getting actual facts and history muddled with
fiction. Everyone else at the table who had read
the book and knew anything about history agreed.
\- if the Vinci Code really made you dumber, you
probably started out dumb [yeah, i know it's
probably just a line from your associate, but
you can see my point too, i hope]. on the other
hand a book like ZatAoMM really is pernicious.
\_ I don't think it's so much that he's dumb as
that he forgot all the stuff that he learned
in college 10 years prior (or my other friend
who forgot everything he learned in Catholic
school). He remembered the facts, but they
became hazy with time, and then DBrown got
got inserted into the haze. Kind of like a
virus inserting itself into the code. So I
guess he's dumb in a single-cell sort of way. |
| 2008/11/22-28 [Reference/Religion] UID:52080 Activity:nil |
11/22 Everyone should watch Jesus and the Awakening to God-Consciousness
With Deepak Chopra tonight.
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/5hyybo
\_ sweet jesus!
\_ bugmenot? |
| 2008/11/14-26 [Reference/Religion] UID:51982 Activity:nil |
11/14 Red State Mormons teaching their kids to hate:
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/34274374.html
\_ I missed the part that they're Mormon, where is it?
\_ That's because it's not there. Op is a an idiot. Are you
surprised?
\_ http://tinyurl.com/66jxwk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_County,_Idaho
"With a strongly conservative and Mormon population..."
http://crooksandliars.com/node/24031/print
"Roughly 90 percent of the population there is LDS."
\_ The area is heavily LDS. The remaining population is
heavily survivalist / white supremecist.
\_ Op is an idiot. |
| 2008/10/23-27 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:51650 Activity:nil |
10/23 Actually, Mormons contributing 77% of pro-prop 8 funds
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid64163.asp
\_ what would Jesus ban? -tom
\_ Apparently, someone felt it was important to censor
my comment that the Mormon church has taken up
the torch of intolerance. Truth hurts, eh? How about
trying to justify Mormons as being 'pro family'? You'd
be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be a censorfuck.
--PeterM
\_ Since this comment is still here, you were probably just
squished. Get over it. |
| 2008/10/22-26 [Reference/Religion] UID:51643 Activity:nil |
10/22 Is Obama Really Christian?
Obama campaigned for and help raised $900,000 to try to get a Muslim
candidate and Obama's cousin Raila Odinga elected for the kenyan
presidency in 2006. This candidate wanted to form a muslim state and
sharia law. Raila's backers used machetes to kill opposing Christians
and burned down churches with Christians inside. Is Barak really a
Christian? He is against Christ for supporting those who persecute
the Body of Christ. Is this the person who is going to fight terrorism
and muslim extremist? He should also just give up the lie he is a
Christian.
\_ Dittohead Desperation Level: Turquoise |
| 2008/9/16-19 [Reference/Religion] UID:51189 Activity:nil |
9/16 Couldnt have McCain found a VP who does NOT have an ex pastor
who thinks the end times are just ahead and Alaska will be converted
into a haven for true christians? Just no one else out there?
Nobody?
\_ redux Obama
\_ Obama's actually a Muslim, so he's not influenced by what
the Rev. Wright says.
\_ Secret Muslim. They are double special. |
| 2008/9/4-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:51065 Activity:nil |
9/4 Even Mormons aren't Creationists. I really can't handle having
#2 in line believing the earth is only 3000 years old.
\_ Depends on how you define "Creationists". Young-earth creationists
believe the earth is less than 10K years old, but no one believes
it's 3K years old.
\_ Because, of course, believing that the earth is only 3k years old
would be silly.
\_ But 10k years seems about right.
\_ My point isn't that 10k is reasonable, just that the 3k
number is way off what people actually believe. 2k ago is
when Jesus was walking around. I'm Mormon and believe that
God created the world, but the overwhelming evidence is that
it was created about 4.5B years ago. -emarkp
\_ Is God affected by Gravity?
\_ Why are you asking me? And why do you ask? -emarkp
\_ Jesus walked the earth.
\_ but did he have to? He also walked on water.
\_ Isn't Chinese written history longer than 3000 years?
\_ The Chinese are Satan's tools.
\_ Do not anger me, I am Ping! |
| 2008/8/21-26 [Reference/Religion] UID:50927 Activity:nil |
8/22 Anyone know of a bank that's owned exclusively by Mormons? I think
Mormons prepare for the end times better than I do. thanks.
\_ Probably true, but I don't think such a bank exists. Zion's Bank
probably used to be, but I don't think that's been true for at least
50 years...
\_ الله أَكْ!
\_ The end times...? |
| 2008/8/4-8 [Reference/Religion] UID:50770 Activity:nil |
8/3 Religious nuts in Texas apparently have no sense of irony, and are
trying to ban "Fahrenheit 451" from schools:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUq2d2OFRkk
\_ this appears to be 2 years old.
\_ interestingly enough Ray Bradbury has said his own book has been
misinterpreted, and it was really a long rant about how television
was going to destroy our culture.
\_ Of course back before he was a cranky old man he said otherwise. |
| 2008/7/3-10 [Reference/Religion] UID:50467 Activity:moderate |
7/3 Just checking, how am I allowed to apply my religious beliefs to issues
today? Am I allowed to support jails? How about wars (you know, the
"kill the other guy" kind)? -emarkp
\_ You are allowed to think anything you want. We are allowed to
mock you for being a dumbass and possibly a hyprocrite.
\_ Okay, what are the criteria for being "mockable". -emarkp
\_ Being different.
\_ Think what ever you want, but please don't try to legislate your
beliefs. Our government must be secular to prevent religious
descrimination. -mrauser
\_ Yah, whatever. I'm trying to figure out what the unnamed jokers
are trying to "mock" me for in the waterboarding point down
below. -emarkp
\_ who would Jesus torture? -tom
\_ Well, yes that's part of the question, but before that, do
you think someone who calls himself Christian can support a
war? Fight in a war? -emarkp
\_ Someone who "calls himself a Christian" can do
anything they like, such as molest children, and
the rest of us can call him a criminal, a sinner,
unChristian, and a hypocrite. Someone who advocates
torture can similarly call himself a Christian,
or a Mormon, and the rest of us can call him a
criminal, a sinner, unChristian, and a hypocrite.
And the analogy isn't actually very bad, because
presumably a child is innocent, and some of those
that have been tortured are innocent.
\_ Depends on the moral basis for the war. -tom
\_ Okay, so I can justify killing someone if the moral
basis is good? Like self-defense or (obvious
example) toppling the 3rd Reich? What do you think
about people who say you should *never* fight anyone,
citing "turn the other cheek"? -emarkp
\_ I have nothing but resepct for all the Quakers
I know.
\_ You're intentionally deflecting the debate. I
think the Quaker position is consistent with
Jesus' teaching, but it's not the only
interpretation. However, I fail to see any
plausible interpretation of Jesus' teaching
which allows torture. "Self-defense" is a crock
in that context. -tom
\_ I'm not deflecting anything, I'm trying to
figure out where people are going with this.
I'm not trying to argue that "torture is
self-defense thus is justified". I'm using
"self-defense" as an example of violence that
most people consider morally valid, but others
point to "turn the other cheek" to suggest the
opposite. -emarkp
\_ once again: who would Jesus torture? -tom
\_ Okay tom, now that I know you want to
stay in the 2nd grade, I'll ignore you in
grown-up conversations. Thanks for
making yourself clear. -emarkp
\_ emarkp, I have a gun and a silencer.
Do you have a silencer? -tom
\_ Okay emarkp, now that I know you want
to cling to your rationalizations
rather than confront your own
inconsistent worldview, I will return
to mocking you. -tom
\_ "Who would Jesus torture" is
illustrative of the point that you're
not addressing, emarkp. If you have
the moral strength, total nonviolence
is the best way of following Jesus'
teachings. However, most of us don't
have the balls to let ourselves be
killed and tortured without raising
a violent hand in self defense. It
is still a moral fault by Jesus'
teachings, however. It is a much
more serious and vile sin to go the
huge step beyond defending yourself to
torture another person. I can look
in the mirror, and say, "yes, another
person has the right to defend
themselves from me if I attack
them", but can you really
say, "yes, he has a perfect right
to torture me, even though I'm
innocent and have told him all the
truth that I know?" It all stems
from this: "Do unto others as
you would have them do unto you",
and torture is a total non-starter
here.
\_ an eye for an eye works -!emarkp
\_ Your mocking me only makes me more like Jesus.
(ISAIAH 53:3). I will not hide (ISAIAH 50:6)!
Laughing at me does not hurt me (PSALMS 22:7).
I am eping and I am strong and I will WIN! (Psalms 2:4).
(Isaiah 53:3). I will not hide! (Isaiah 50:6)
Laughting at me does not hurt me (Psalms 22:7)
I am eping and I am strong! (not in Bible). |
| 2008/6/19-23 [Reference/Religion] UID:50308 Activity:nil |
6/19 remember when a black muslim allegedly shot an oakland journalist with
a shotgun a year ago?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T87-H6RgjRI
\_ I assume this is all admissable in court?
\_ holy crap this is amazing.
\_ I can't youtube from here. What's it say? |
| 2008/6/18-24 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Reference/Religion] UID:50287 Activity:nil |
6/18 Obama refuses to photographed with Muslim supporters:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/568yxo (Yahoo news)
\_ Liar. His campaign officials did this. Remember, all campaign
officials are dirtbags. -emarkp
\_ By necessity. |
| 2008/6/4-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:50148 Activity:nil |
6/4 Wow. Christians warned for preaching to Muslims, because it's a hate
crime?
http://csua.org/u/lpd
\_ "A West Midlands Police spokesman said an investigation into the
complaint had concluded that the PCSO had acted 'with the best of
intentions' when he 'intervened to diffuse a heated argument
between two groups of men'.
A statement added: 'Following this investigation, the PCSO has
been offered guidance about what constitutes a hate crime and
advice on communication style.'"
In other words, no.
\_ communist
\_ Yeah, that's what I get for reading the actual story. |
| 2008/6/1-2 [Recreation/Dating, Reference/Religion] UID:50112 Activity:nil 54%like:50122 |
6/1 motd not getting laid guy: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2aKQMZ_HTb8 |
| 2008/5/16-21 [Reference/Religion] UID:49968 Activity:nil |
5/16 "Einstein's musings about religion sells for $400K"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_en_bu/britain_einstein_letter
\_ Yes but computer science god Knuth was very very religious.
I failed to see the point you're trying to make.
\_ Since when do posts on motd always have points to make? |
| 2008/5/15-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:49962 Activity:nil |
5/15 Mormon furries!
http://transfigurism.org/community
\_ Does transhumanism have something to do with furries? Never heard of
it. |
| 2008/5/15-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:49953 Activity:moderate |
5/15 motd mormon troll guy, are you on vacation?
"The Mormon Church has instructed its lawyers to gag the Internet over
WikiLeaks' release of the 1968 and 1999 versions of its confidential
handbook for Church leaders. Apart from attacking WikiLeaks, legal
demands were sent to Jimmy Wales of the WikiMedia foundation for a
WikiNews article merely linking to the material, and http://scribd.com has
also been censored. WikiLeaks has (of course) refused to remove the
documents."
http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Mormon_Church_Handbook_of_Instructions_(1999
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Mormon_Church_attempts_to_gag_Internet_over_handbook
http://guyintheback.ws/09-Biggest/biggest.html
\_ So What? They're a real religion. They're serious. They believe
in things which are completely insane like other religions, but
the origins of their faith are so recent, there is no veil of
time to cover up the crazy parts. This means, Mormon people
really believe in stuff. This has the corollary that they're
also serious about morality. Compare the average clean cut
Mormon to the average slouchy cafeteria Catholic. The Mormon is a
serious person. The Catholic might as well be an atheist.
Mormons don't drink, smoke, jerk off or even drink coffee.
That's pretty serious.
\_ Are all Mormons this big?
http://guyintheback.ws/02-Other/OT-ChristinaCashFB.html
\_ she used to be a lot smaller.
http://guyintheback.ws/04-Webshots/WS-christinacash.html
I guess all that Mormon tea really packs on the pounds.
all that Mormon tea really packs on the pounds.
\_ Amazing this is same girl:
before: http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=5721139
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721139.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/005721279.jpg
after mission: http://http://www.shareapic.net/zoom.php?id=6966333
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966477.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966717.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/images2/006966369.jpg
http://images.shareapic.net/fullsize2/006966180.jpg
\_ Jesus christ. I thought Mormons think eating
50 cheeseburgers per day is a sin.
please, keep eating!
\_ This is a Mormon girl who's been on a mission? Seems unlikely.
\_ This is a Mormon girl who's been on a mission? I doubt it.
\_ They don't jerk off? What an inhumane religion...
\_ You don't need to when you have multiple wives to service
you.
admittedly a lot of the handbook stuff is exactly how i would expect
a 'mormon handbook' to look like. it's kind of like when people
a 'mormon handbook' to look like. it's like when people
condemn the new pope for acting like the new pope when he says
Catholicism is the best and he condemns other religions. What the
heck do you expect the Pope to do? |
| 2008/5/9-15 [Recreation/Dating, Reference/Religion] UID:49926 Activity:nil |
5/9 god i love burritos
\_ AND?
\_ http://tinyurl.com/6gyele |
| 2008/4/25-30 [Reference/Religion] UID:49832 Activity:nil |
4/25 Nancy Pelosi making up bible verses. (Last paragraph)
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=1295
Either that, or she shouldn't be using quotes there. Maybe it's just
poor punctuation and grammer.
\_ That's because she's an evil socialist who hates christians and
is going to feed them all to the lions.
\_ Thank God someone is. It's about time.
\_ "grammar" |
| 2008/4/16-23 [Reference/Religion] UID:49764 Activity:nil |
4/16 Pope fashion show! I had no idea he had so many outfits.
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1730229,00.html
\_ Are you kidding? Pope Benny loves his Gucci and Prada. He's probably
the queeniest pope ever.
\- you know most of those are hand-me-downs, right?
\_ Costumes? |
| 2008/4/4-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:49664 Activity:nil |
4/4 God, I hate LA.
\_ Do you live there, or are you just expressing a random opinion?
I hate musicals.
\_ both but stuck here for a very very long time.
\_ You're wrong, musicals are great.
\_ I hate the Nutcracker. It is not great.
\_ That's great, but it's not a musical. It's a ballet.
\_ Well, New Orleans can be fun.
\_ Only when it's flooding, though.
\_ "Livin' on an L.A. freeway ain't my kind of havin' fun." -jdenver |
| 2008/3/29-4/6 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49609 Activity:nil |
3/28 The Hamas charter. Not quite the Declaration of Independence....
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html |
| 2008/3/21-25 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Reference/Religion] UID:49530 Activity:high |
3/21 Krauthhammer on Obama's speech
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=290899211643217
\_ Does Krauthammer still call them Freedom Fries? When is he going
to apologize for the Iraq War? The guy is a fool.
\_ So, in other words, he's right and you have no answer to any
of his points? Thanks.
\_ No, he has shown himself time and again to be mendatious
\_ No, he has shown himself time and again to be mendacious
and has shown repeated bad judgement. Why would anyone
waste their time bothering to untangle what a proven
fool is blubbering on about?
\_ It's an opinion piece that *many* people would agree with.
Fine if you don't want to read someone's opinions.
\_ I don't waste my time reading Ann Coulter's "opinions"
either. Some people have worthwhile things to say,
this guy has proven, to me at least, that he does not.
\- you remember that reporter in manhunter/red dragon?
think krauthammer.
\_ That's nice. If you don't want to read something
that is fine. However, that puts you in a poor
position to comment on the article. Your opinion
of the writer's previous statements does not create
the logical grounds for outright dismissing a later
statement. -!pp (and no, like you I haven't read
it either, but unlike you I am not going to comment
on something I haven't read)
\_ I didn't comment on his article. I dismissed
him as a fool.
\_ Exactly. You gave a zero-content knee-jerk
response to seeing his name. Why bother?
Is that really going to convince anyone of
anything or just venting? I see no reason
to post content-free rants. Perhaps you can
explain the value of your original post?
\_ It is pretty funny that a guy who defends
Krauthammer would complain about a content
free rant.
\_ It's even funnier that a guy who
complains about Krauthammer would engage
so much in content free rants. -!pp
\_ Show me even one column of his that is
not: 1) tendentious 2) partisan and
3) wrong and I will reconsider my
POV. The truth is, I have read over
20 of his columns and not even one of
them was worth the time I spent.
them was worth the time I spent. And
btw, saying "Krauthammer was wrong
about Iraq and I will not consider his
opinion until he recants" is hardly
comment free. Perhaps you don't agree
with the comment, but it is certainly
not comment-free.
\_ I'm at no point defending Krauthammer.
I made it quite clear I didn't read the
article and it doesn't matter at all what
the article says since you didn't read it
either. You are intellectually dishonest
or possibly just mentally deficient.
Either way you have still failed to make
a point or even attempt to. -pp
\_ No, I made my point just fine, you just
refuse to admit it: some people aren't
worth wasting your time considering.
Do you remember when the motd was
covered with Freeper trolls? I used
to post links to Prof. Thomas'
excellent blog, The Economist's Voice,
excellent blog, The Economist's View,
until some of the Motd Conservatives
complained about the tone of the
comments section. Krauthammer is
far worse.
worse.
\_ You didn't make a point. A point
might have been convincing. You
expressed a content-free opinion.
There is nothing wrong with that.
It just isn't a point. Don't
confuse your opinion with fact.
\_ My reply was deleted, so here's the
rehashed version: You posted your
opinion. Yay. I'm happy for you.
It still isn't a fact and your
opinion is not something that can
be falsified. You don't like him.
Ok. As far as freepers go, if you
were the one posting freeper links,
I was the one saying we don't need
that here. There's no reason at
all to post a freeper link when all
we're getting is freeper hate plus
a link to the original article.
Just post the original link without
the hate. I also don't see a need
for dailykos hate either, just so
you understand I'm even handed with
my hate-link complaints.
\_ The answer to his question (why he stayed in the church) is pretty
obvious. A church is primarily about religion and faith. Politics
are secondary. A preacher expressing an opinion he doesn't agree
with isn't a crime that reflects on him or his judgement. Unless
you say he should have left because, cynically, it might be used
against him for political muckraking and fearmongering purposess.
\_ A preacher saying the things Wright said should have no
congregation.
\_ Well, I'd say any preacher should have no congregation since
religion is all a giant pile of bullshit. But go figure: it
seems to help them. You aren't in that church, you don't
know what pros there might be to counter these supposed cons.
\_ It's an opinion piece that *many* people would agree with.
Fine if you don't want to read someone's opinions.
\_ There *is no pro* that can counter these cons. And what do
you mean by 'supposed'?
\_ You know everything, why don't you figure it out?
\_ You know, this kind of shit is amazing to read, given how much
shit famous ring-wing christians get here. -- ilyas
shit famous right-wing christians get here. -- ilyas
\_ Well, I guess to me the thing is that Obama explicitly and
publically rejects the controversial statements at hand. The
only real controversy with him then is his church membership
and apparent friendship with this man. I don't recall the
right wing politicians rejecting wacky religious right stuff.
Actually they (Bush etc) invoke it in public policy matters.
\_ Slightly off-topic, but if you take a closer look at Wright's
philosophy, he's far more of a conservative than a liberal.
\_ Hey, I think he is a kook, but I think that about most
religious people, so I think my opinion doesn't really matter
religious people, so my opinion doesn't really matter
here. What is going on, imho, is that religious conservatives
are waking up to the fact that there are other strains of
Christian faith and it kind of freaks them out. |
| 2008/2/27-3/4 [Reference/Religion] UID:49277 Activity:nil |
2/26 Major survey challenges Western perceptions of Islam
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080227/ts_alt_afp/usislamreligionethics |
| 2008/2/12-14 [Reference/Religion] UID:49126 Activity:high |
2/12 I don't understand the whole Trinity / Holy Ghost / Father
Son thing (ok i figured out the Son is Jesus). please
explain? - bad Christian
\_ It's all about the Divine Nature (think Source, Course, Flow)
God as the Father is the Source of the Divine Eternal Life
Jesus is the Course to obtain this Divine Eternal Life after
man sinned and got banned from the Tree of Life from Garden of Eden
The Holy Spirit is now the Life Giving Spirit which is the
experiential flow one obtains by taking in the Divine Eternal Life
by receiving Christ. They are all the same entity just they only way
by receiving Christ. They are all the same entity just the only way
to approach taking in the Divine Life. God, Jesus, and the Holy
Spirit are all the same being.
\_ I just like how God impregnated his daughter and gave birth to
himself.
\_ What is a creator who just exists by his lonesome going to do?
All He can do is create. So He creates man, dispenses His divine life
into man so man can become the same in life and nature as He is
so that God can find a suitable counterpart to spend the rest of
eternity with. So man receives the Holy Spirit, it transforms mankind
into God kind. So Mary conceived a child of the Holy Spirit.
It's a miracle because she was still a virgin even though she got
pregnant.
\_ it's the Divine Mystery, you're not supposed to understand it.
(That's religious code for "Bullshit") -tom
\_ Your answer may be correct, but it's not what I was looking
for.
\- look in the "catholic encyclopedia" ... although what you read
may be incomprehensible because of all the jargon. --psb
\_ FYI, the Catholic Encyclopedia is an excellent source for
heresies and controversies, if you're willing to read between
the lines. --erikred
\_ The Bible refers to each person individually, and says they are
"one". The Nicene Creed invented the Greek word "homoousios" (same
substance) to describe the relationship between the persons (three
persons, one substance). It gets more complicated from there. The
basic idea is "Three persons, one God." Note: the idea that the
three persons are different forms of God (like ice, water, steam) is
a heresy, called "modalism". I AM ... -emarkp
a heresy, called "modalism". -emarkp
\_ Ping: Does God or the Holy Spirit have the power to shoot
laser beams? This is a serious question.
\_ must...resist... trolling emarkp into explaining Mormon
GOD MAN meme found in ancient Egyptian scroll John
Smith bought from gypsies...
\_ I heard Eternal Progression is a heresy. -- ilyas
\_ Oh, I reject the Nicene creed out of hand. (And the Council
of Chalcedon is a joke.) I was answering the question based
on what traditional Christianity teaches. I find the history
of the Christian Church fascinating. I didn't go into the
whole "filioque" clause which divides the Western and Orthodox
traditions either. -emarkp
\_ Rejecting the Nicene Creed is pretty much rejecting
Christianity, which is one of the reasons why us Christians
don't consider Mormons to be Christian.
\_ The Orthodox churches rejected the filioque clause, so
have a different creed, yet are still Christian. Other
\_ I'm Orthodox and a lot of us would consider
"other churches" to also be heretical.
groups reject other ecumenical councils and are still
Christian. You want to start a "Mormons aren't
Christians" thread, go ahead, but this one was about
what the Trinity is. I posted a summary as to how
traditional Christians understand the Trinity. -emarkp
\_ So Mormons are "untraditional Christians"?
That's an understatement.
\_ We believe in Christ, but do not adhere to many of
the traditions of Christianity, yes. -emarkp
\_ It's just a mostly-arbitrary doctrine. The father is the normal
God from the old testament. The Holy Ghost is, essentially,
everything else. They look at specific bible passages that talk
about the holy spirit and that's what it is. There's nothing else
to understand.
\_ See! That is the answer I was looking for. tom you are an
atheist meanie who will never make it past Terrestial
\_ Don't confuse atheist with anti-theist.
\_ I may betray my New Jersey heritage when I say "I'd rather
laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." -tom |
| 2008/1/16-18 [Reference/Religion] UID:48956 Activity:high |
1/16 ok i have date with hot 30 year old Mormon. I say 'HOLY CRAP'
and 'GOD!!!!' a lot. I want to avoid saying such offensive
blasphemous things. What are some good Mormon-safe
interjections? ok tnx.
\_ Monkeyballs
\_ Hey, that's my word. Make up your own damn words.
\_ frack
\_filger-carb
\_ GM Chrysler! Holy Smith! (see what I did there?)
\_ Good thing soda came back up! What did you trolls do while it was
down?
\_ Uhm, how about simply thinking before opening your mouth? If maybe
you scorched your hand on the stove and let out a few instant
curses, well hey, your hand just got charred, but during normal
conversation why are you cursing if you don't want to? Just don't.
\_ I occasionally use 'oh, bother', from Winnie-the-Pooh. I think it
gets shock value from its tame-ness.
\_ Oh, golly, if that doesn't put the shaz in shazam.
\_ SHA-ZAM!!!! Ker-pow! THOK! WAMMO!
\_ Why is 'GOD!!!!' offensive to Mormons?
\_ "Oh my wives!"
\_ Taking the Lord's name in vain.
\_ "Oh my Wives!" |
| 2008/1/14 [Reference/Religion] UID:48949 Activity:nil 51%like:48946 |
1/14 Serious Mormon question:
Most Christians (and certainly their churches) view Mormons as an
evil cult at worst and a laughingstock at best. They do not
consider them Christian in any way and assume all Mormons are
going to hell. How do Mormons perceive Christians and Jews?
\_ Are you "stalking the mormon chick" guy? Instead of turning her
into a label, how about you just have coffee or whatever and get
to know her? That will work a lot better than asking the motd
about her.
\_ nearly 30 extremely attractive hot Mormon chicks DO NOT
DRINK COFFEE. Actually I dunno how the holy hell Mormons
live without caffeine. I guess that god stuff really works.
\_ Find a Mormon and ask him/her. Enough with the trolling. |
| 2008/1/11-14 [Reference/Religion] UID:48934 Activity:insanely high |
1/11 Please dont think I'm trolling emarkp. So I met an incredibly
attractive female the other day at a bar. I don't normally
hang out at bars, but it was for someone's birthday. Said female
and I chatted for a very long time, agreed to hang out later,
traded phone numbers/email, etc. I stalked her a bit online
and found out she's nearly 30 and Mormon. Her web presence
makes her seem nice and cool and great and I bet we'd get along
famously since I don't smoke or drink (much) either. My pretty
\_ Do you think that not smoking or drinking is all there is
to Mormonism?
\_ No, there is also baptising dead Jews against the wishes
of their families and polygamy.
simple question is do hot unmarried nearly 30 female Mormons
engage in premarital sex? Or if I pursue this person, is she going
to be looking to get married before we have sex? Does this kind
of thing get hot nearly 30 unmarried Mormons get kicked out
of the church? I think she goes to church regularly, I found pictures
of her and her college friends going to church on her blog.
I hope some of the motd Mormons humor me and answer me. I am
trying to be funny but it's a serious question. thanks.
\_ You are doing EVERYONE a favor by tempting her to pre-marital
sex. Basically, if she fails to be pure, then she's not a true
Mormon and you'll help filtering out hypocrits and keeping
Mormonism pure while having sex with her. It's a win-win
situation for the Mormon religion and pagans like you.
\_ She gave him an email/phone#. He stalked her online. Where is
the part where our OP stalker even got a first date much less
was in a position to sleep with her? She may not even be a
Mormon. He only thinks he knows that from stalking her, not
from her saying so. This woman is a total stranger.
\_ It doesn't hurt to try. What have you got to lose?
\_ If she's actively involved in the church, premarital sex is out of
\_ Even if she is actively involved in the church, most
religious people are hypocrites, so maybe she'll be
one of those and put out.
the question. You may ruin her morals if you try, but why would you
want to change someone you like? -emarkp
\_ Yeah, right. Premarital sex is out of the question with actively
involved Catholic girls, too, and we know how that goes.
\_ This is why I ask! She is pretty hot. I don't know her
too well but I would consider converting just for her.
I don't believe in a supreme being right now.
I just remembered that I've been booty calling a Mormon
girl about my age in Sacramento for YEARS. She's a single
mom, she loves being Mormon since there is always a
a nearby Mormon family with 5 other kids who don't mind
babysitting. -op
\_ So you'll believe in a supreme being if it's convenient
for getting laid? I bet during sex, too! "Oh God!!"
\_ You mean Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, not God.
\_ Is there a trial period? Do Mormon females test drive
relationships with non Mormons for a few months, then issue
a convert to Mormonism and marry me if you want to stay together?
\_ Some do some don't. She may be willing to marry a non-mormon.
By 30 the Mormon dating pool is getting kinda sparse. -jrleek
\_ So if in my wild fantasy scenario we got married...
I would have to convert to Mormonism? I'm not saying
this is a horrible thing, just asking.
\_ Dude, you are getting waaay ahead of yourself here.
\_ She's Mormon. Marriage is something you talk
about on the 3rd date.
\_ Perhaps, but this guy hasn't even had date one yet.
\_ Yeah, but when I'm thinking about dating someone
I've always got "how is that sex thing going to
work" in mind even before the first date.
\_ Well, I haven't dated any Mormon girls, but I have dated other
religious women and in my experience you can get pretty far, but
not go all the way without a very serious comittment. Pretty
far means almost but not all the way by the late 20s. YMMV.
This is actually quite hot, if you are into it.
\_ Seconded. Just be clear on how far it can go ahead of time, so
as to avoid expectations of more.
\_ Well, as emarkp said, if she's really Mormon, sex is out of the
question. On the other hand, what was she doing in a bar? Was
there a show or something? -jrleek
\_ someone's birthday gathering. she wasn't drinking. |
| 2007/12/21-29 [Reference/Religion] UID:48850 Activity:nil |
12/21 Dalai Lama "is not a call girl"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071221/od_nm/harper_dalailama_odd_dc
"I met the Dalai Lama in my office but I meet everyone in my office. I
don't know why I would sneak off to a hotel room just to meet the
Dalai Lama. You know, he's not a call girl,"
Ha ha!
\_ The implications here are superb. Thank you.
\_ 'China condemned Harper for "disgusting conduct"'
\_ Not for his implied knowledge of call girl etiquette but for
meeting with the Dalai Lama. China: crazier than thou.
\_ You know how a joke is never funny if you try to explain it?
\_ In Soviet China, funny jokes you! |
| 2007/12/19-29 [Reference/Religion] UID:48835 Activity:nil |
12/19 Ken Jennings weighs in on the Romney/Mormon thing
http://snipurl.com/1vj5g |
| 2007/12/18-20 [Reference/Religion] UID:48825 Activity:high 66%like:48819 |
12/17 Excellent article on religion in politics, tolerance, and multi-
culturalism.
http://urltea.com/2dju?weeklystandard.com
http://csua.org/u/kac [urltea has been flaky. -op]
\_ instead of stuff like http://urltea.com, can't we use some sort of standard
command-line compressor/decompressor? Some reversible hashfunction.
Anyone know of a tool like that?
\_ Would that significantly compress the URL given that we'd have
to stick to ASCII chars?
\_ I think in general you don't need huge compression, just
"enough". Just a thought anyway, I hate url shortening sites.
\_ Learn some information theory and come back later.
\_ I bet using UTF-8 would allow enough compression for
normal links. Even ASCII has lots of extra crap.
I'd rather not shorten them at all than use temporary
shortened links that won't remain valid.
\_ Pat Pat
\_ Um, are hash functions usually reversable?
\_ Not in the most typical use, but there are very many that are.
One hashing algorithm which is which you might not have
realised is encryption.
\_ No. But I was asking...
\_ Ah, a former- and now anti-Mormon writes about religion, slamming
Mormons in the process. By the Weekly Standard no less.
\_ I'm ignorant here. Is the Weekly Standard a leftie rag or a
righty rag?
\_ Righty.
\_ This does such injustice to the article. You're all troll hags. -op
\_ What is wrong with the usual url shorteners? How would a home
grown motd version be any different?
\_ Did anyone actually read the entire article? The analysis is quite
\_ Did anyone actually read entire the article? The analysis is quite
good, if you look past the lame jokes, and conservative POV. -op
\_ I actually read this very long and dense article that took me
over an hour to read and digest. He make some very good points,
over an hour to read and digest. He makes some very good points,
but I think he is wrong to claim that the GOP's inner debate
on religious tolerance somehow tars all of America with the
brush of intolerance. There will be a Jewish President, a Muslim
President and probably even a Mormon President someday. But they
will all be Democrats. The GOP has made itself into the Grand
Ole' Fundamentalist Party and its inability to nominate anyone
who is not a mainline Protestant is the inevitable result of that
choice. Perhaps it can unmake itself, but only after a long time
in the political wilderness of being out of power.
\_ I don't think he said the GOP's debate tars all. He said both the
(current) religious right and (current) multiculturalist left both have
(current) right and (current) multiculturalist, relativist left both have
it wrong. (and that Romney is a twink.) Then he laid out an excellent way
to objectively draw the line about what should be in bounds and what
should not. And I almost said which "religious subjects", but it's more
subtle than that, for good reasons. Thanks for commenting. -op
(current) religious right and (current) multiculturalist left
both have it wrong. (and that Romney is a twink.) Then he laid out
an excellent way to objectively draw the line about what should be
in bounds and what should not. And I almost said which "religious
subjects", but it's more subtle than that, for good reasons.
Thanks for commenting. -op
\_ Yes, he briefly and without too much evidence claimed that
multi-culturalism was just as bad as the Right's overt
pro-Christian bias. I know he was speaking to an audience
that probably already agrees with him, so he didn't feel
the need to make much of a case, but I think that:
1) multiculturalism is hardly monolithic on the left
2) multiculturalism as practiced in the United States
is not really significantly different than the more
traditional liberal virtues of tolerance that he espouses
I have heard that Europe is different, in that they are
making special exceptions for mostly Muslim immigrants
(except in France, which has a strong secular tradition)
and having a tough time integrating them (especially in
and are having a tough time integrating them (especially in
France, probably because they are trying harder there),
but I honestly don't have way to "reality check" these
but I honestly don't have a way to "reality check" these
claims. Here in the US, new immigrants are assimilating
all the time. Some groups better than others, no doubt, but
what is the out-marraige rate for Buddhists in this country?
For Jews? For Muslims? I am sure it is higher here than
anywhere else.
\_ I agree, but it seems clear he's talking about multiculturalism
in the US as preached and prosecuted (persecuted? :D), not as
practiced. Always a wide gap between the two in US, versus Europe,
because the left is large and in charge over there. |
| 2007/12/18 [Reference/Religion] UID:48819 Activity:high 66%like:48825 |
12/17 Excellent article on religion in politics, tolerance, and multiculturalism.
http://urltea.com/2dwu [provenance not provided because not indicative.]
\_ instead of stuff like http://urltea.com, can't we use some sort of standard
command-line compressor/decompressor? Some reversible hashfunction.
Anyone know of a tool like that? |
| 2007/12/10-14 [Reference/Religion] UID:48777 Activity:kinda low |
12/10 Are there equivalence to the Catholic Pope for Mormons, Muslims,
Jewish, etc?
\_ no.
\_ Definitely not for Judaism though many Jewish sects/degrees of
orthodoxy have one or more groups of Rabbis who are seen as sort of
community elders. They are closer in some respect to Cardinals in
the Catholic faith, but the attitude/process seems different. In
Judaism there is a focus on argument in general, and the view that
\_ s/argument/debate/g;
\_ Sure. Though I'd argue you're
splitting hairs. -dans
\_ I think this says a lot about
you.
\_ s/argue/debate/g;
\_ Why do you keep using that
word? I do not think it
means what you think it
means. -dans
\_ You killed my father!
Prepare to die!
\_ Why am I always the
last one to know?
-dans
wisdom comes from incorporating many different, sometimes
contradictory viewpoints. I know Mormonism has a council of
elders, but couldn't tell you much more than that. jrleek could
likely explain it better. -dans
\_ great info, thanks. Are you Jewish?
\_ Ethnically yes. I'm somewhat ambivalent toward the organized
aspects of the religion at present. -dans
aspects of the religion at present. I enjoy touching men.-dans
\_ If you're going to edit my posts, please note that I
usually put two spaces after the period in the text, and
at least one after the period when I sign my name. Also,
keep in mind that regardless of the gender of who it is
that I'm fucking at any given moment, she or he is
likely way out of the league of anyone that would ever
willingly go near your trolling ass. -dans
\_ Better yet, just don't edit people's posts,
even if they're dans. -niloc
\_ Alan Greenspan is the Pope of the Jews. -troller
\- cathlolic:orthodoxy::jew,muslim:orthopraxy --psb |
| 2007/12/6-7 [Reference/Religion] UID:48758 Activity:nil |
12/6 Bernie Ward, a popular San Francisco radio talk show host and former
Catholic priest, has been indicted on federal child pornography
charges, authorities said today.
\_ Whoa! url?
\_ It's breaking news. Do you know how to use the google machine?
\_ I don't use google. It has a very liberal bias. Use Yahoo!
\_ I guess turning people over to a Chinese worker gulag is
pretty conservative, you have me there. |
| 2007/12/6-13 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:48756 Activity:kinda low |
12/6 About "While Europe Slept"
Having recently published an indictment of Christian fundamentalist
intolerance in the U.S. (Stealing Jesus), New York native Bawer
relocated to Europe with his Norwegian partner in 1998 and found an
even more dangerous strain of religious and cultural bigotry ensnaring
Western Europe. A swarming menace called radical Islam, he writes,
rings Europe's cities in smoldering Muslim ghettos, provoking
everything from so-called honor killings and political assassinations
to the Madrid subway bombings and the massacre of school children in
Beslan. Worse, the Taliban-like theocracy Bawer sees looming inside
backward immigrant populations resistant to integration flourishes
under the protective wing of Western Europe's America-bashing,
multicultural, liberal establishment.
\_ Sure, and that's why armed thugs are enforcing burka-wearing
ordinances in Fremont. Oh, wait, they're not? How'd that happen?
Oh, right, because Bawer's a nut and a bigot.
\_ He's gay, and went to the Netherlands to live in a more accepting
place with his partner. He was assaulted at least once by Muslims
who saw him together with his partner.
\_ And on the basis of this he insists that Europe is one step
from Sharia? Cf. "I got mugged by a black man, so all black
men must be criminals."
\_ Fremont is in Europe?
\_ Sorry, misread "Europe's" for "American."
s/Fremont/Amsterdam/
\_ Yeah, go back and read about how the Irish/Italians/Mexicans, etc
would not integrate and were doomed to destroy America. It is the
same old alarmism. It is perhaps true that Europe has a shorter
history of integrating immigrants, so will need to learn, but
same old alarmism. It is perhaps true that Europe has less
experience in integrating immigrants, so will need to learn, but
hardly concievable that a small minority would overwhelm the
majoritarian culture.
\_ Irish/Italians/Mexicans were not Muslim.
\_ And therefor not EEEEEEEEEEVIL?
\_ No, they were Catholic, which was considered even worse.
\_ Yet they weren't blowing people up.
\_ Neither are Muslims. The French riots, 9/11, etc were
all the acts of "students" and "youths".
\_ You are obviously unfamiliar with the history of the
IWW.
IWW. Ever heard of the Haymarket Riot? |
| 2007/12/6-7 [Reference/Religion] UID:48754 Activity:high |
12/6 Mitt "Athiests can't be free" Romney!
\_ Is that Mitt's brother? Since that's not his name and he didn't say
that?
\_ Ack, brain fart. And he said that without religion we
can't be free.
\_ As a society, not as individuals.
\_ How is this better?
\_ Can you name a free society in history that lacked
religion?
\_ Isn't Singapore incredibly secular?
\_ Lacked an official religion or religion as an
official requirement, or lacked religious and/or
non-religious freedom?
\_ A society of religious people, not necessarily a
state religion (which actually damages personal
religion) or 100% religious individuals.
\_ You're asking for a free society of religious
people?
\_ Yes, like the United States--perhaps you've
heard of it?
\_ Are Americans required to be religious?
\_ The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, just to name
a few places I have been to.
\_ Which are all on the tipping point of
collapse. Read "America Alone" and "While
Europe Slept"
\_ From the inside flap or A.A. ...
And liberals will still tell you that "diversity is our
strength" while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning
books and barber shops, the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn't
violate the "separation of church and state," and the Hollywood Left
decides to give up on gay rights in favor of the much safer charms of
polygamy.
Yeah... I think I can safely
ignore this book.
\_ And the other one?
\_ I didn't really feel the need to
check out a book recommended in the
same sentance as Amercia Alone.
If someone can recommend a book
with that as the grab you text, well,
I don't really care what else they
recommend.
\_ And we're on the tipping point of supply
side economics working! All hail the
downfall of the heathens!
\_ And have you read either of those
books?
\_ Why not just read Cato the Elder?
These are the same old themes and
Cato is probably better written.
\_ Are you saying they aren't religious? If so
I'm not sure where you get that idea.
\_ A majority of people in those countries
don't believe in God. I don't know where
you get the idea that they are "religious."
\_ Well they are historically Christian.
Christianity is still part of the
culture, for burials and christenings
for example. I also knew some religious
Swedes so I guess my perception is off.
I just googled and you're right.
\_ My perception is probably also
throw off by who I know, but in
The Netherlands especially, religion
is in obvious decline, with a number
of old churches being converted to
new uses, like office buildings. It
actually seemed kind of odd, even
blasphemous to me, but I guess it
\_ blasphemous? who cares? take
religion too seriously and you
get abominations like that case
in Sudan where they wanted to
kill a school teacher for
"insulting Islam" for allowing
kids to name a teddy bear
"Muhammad". Insulting religion
and "blasphemy" shouldn't be
crimes, nor even discouraged,
anywhere.
\_ A bigger problem is the women in many Islamic oriented
societies have almost no rights. One of their big problems
is places like Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Afghanistan may
or not have actual written laws, I forget, but whatever
is written down may be trumped immediately by Shariah,
or whatever law the current high Islamic clerics interpret
as law, that day. At least in America when you get screwed,
they do it with a law that's actually written down somewhere.
Who cares about a stupid teddy bear.
\_ The world is not quite as
black and white as that, imho.
is better than tearing them down.
The exact number of non-believers
depends on how you ask the question
too, I realize. Not that many
"athiests" but lots of "I don't go
to church or believe in God."
\_ Irrelevent. Correlation != causation
\_ Right. It's like saying, can you name a free
society in history that lacked disease?
\_ Actually, religion is very like a disease of
the mind. You suspend all your reasoning
powers and critical thinking.
\_ Yeah that thought crossed my mind as I wrote
that too. The problem is that "faith" is a
limitless path. It can be used to justify
just about anything. In general it leads to
irrational conflict with other faiths, and
manipulation of the faithful.
\_ So what about the people of substantial
reasoning and critical thinking who are
religious?
\_ Religion is regarded by the common people
as true, by the wise as false, and by the
rulers as useful -Seneca the Younger 4BC |
| 2007/12/4-7 [Reference/Religion, Recreation/Media] UID:48745 Activity:low |
12/4 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22087867 How sad is your state? Depression rates ranked Survey says Utah has the blues but South Dakota's days are bright Wait, I thought Mormons are suppose to be one of the most positive & productive & happiest people on earth (according to South Park) \_ No caffeine and no beer make mormons something something. \_ It was the Scientology episode where they checked your happiness rating, was it not? One of the characters took the test because he was depressed. If I remember correctly, the Mormon episode was where they sang and danced. |
| 2007/11/27-30 [Reference/Religion] UID:48699 Activity:moderate |
11/27 http://csua.org/u/k36 (NYTimes) More Muslim riots in Paris--80 police injured \_ "The violence was set off by the deaths of two teenagers on a motorbike who were killed in a crash with a police car Sunday night. The scene, with angry youths targeting the police mostly with firebombs, rocks and other projectiles, was reminiscent of three weeks of rioting in 2005." It's a youth riot, not a Muslim riot. Read deeper. \_ Are you fricking kidding? Everyone mentioned in the article is Muslim, the neighborhood is predominated by Muslims, and in France "youths" are mostly Muslim, too. \_ Are French Muslim citizens of working age rioting? Then this is a youth riot, not a Muslim riot. By calling it a Muslim riot, you're labelling it with an ethnic/religious tag that has nothing to do with why these kids are rioting. READ DEEPER. \_ The issues these kids are protesting and their resentment of the French government stem from their treatment as Muslims in France. Not ever single Muslim treatment as Muslims in France. Not every single Muslim in the country has to riot in order for it to be a Muslim riot. How many non-Muslim youths are rioting? Oh, none. \_ According to the news, black Africans are also rioting. Are they also Muslim? \_ Yes. \_ The kids are protesting two of their buddies getting killed by cops. It's not a Muslim issue. \_ This is like saying the Rodney King riots were not a race issue. They were just protesting someone getting beaten by the cops and race wasn't a factor, right? \_ ...? If RK had been a 16 year old kid and the rioters had all been teens and unemployed youths, would you have called it a race issue? \_ Yes, if they were all black and the white kids weren't rioting. \_ And they are using shotguns: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/28/europe/28france.php Can you imagine what would happen here if rioters starting using guns? |
| 2007/11/5 [Reference/Religion] UID:48542 Activity:high |
11/5 goddamn i just wrecked the company toilet
I should get an award
\_ You ever take a dump so big, that after you it you suddenly
have faith there is a God watching us?
\_ You need God to help?
\_ You should weigh yourself before and after
\_ God might help. I thought I had finished my ruling for the day,
but I just went back in and I think I got it all out. THANK
YOU LORD.
\_ If we had transporters as in Star Trek, I'd never take
another dump. I'd just "beam it out".
\_ I've been sitting here enjoying the zen like calm that
has filled my body since I evacuated about 5 pounds of
crap from me this morning. |
| 2007/10/18-19 [Reference/Religion, Recreation/Media] UID:48358 Activity:kinda low |
10/18 who is this 5 foot 10 blond on Regis & Kathy Lee?
oh, it's rebecca rojim-stamos.
she must have knocked them dead at Berkeley High.
\_ Jesus Christ now she's talking about how she wakes up in the
morning thanking God for being female and needs to feel
her breasts just to be sure.
\_ oh it's about a tv show.
\_ well crap she's convinced me! she has a new show about
feeling herself up premiering tonight on ABC, 8pm
\_ I thank God everyday we have such quality culture on tv.
\_ I bet Regis makes more than she does for the same work. I
also doubt she will be on a show with some young hunky guy
when she's 70 (Regis is 75). Still better to be a woman?
when she's 60. Still better to be a woman? |
| 2007/9/24 [Reference/Religion] UID:48160 Activity:nil |
9/22 God, my ass hurts. |
| 2007/9/20-24 [Science/Battery, Reference/Religion] UID:48135 Activity:kinda low |
9/20 explain this whole Jena 6 thing for me. ok tnx.
\_ Black student asks for permission from principal to sit under so-
called "White Tree," principal says sit where you like; next day,
there are three nooses hanging from tree. Tensions rise, words are
said, there's a fight, one of the (white) noose-hangers gets
knocked out (but recovers in time to go to a school function that
evening); prosecutor decides to prosecute (black) defendants for
"Attempted Murder."
\_ My understanding is the white kid who got beat up was not one
of the noose-hangers but the whole thing has been so spun into
the sadly typical OJ-like circus that who can tell?
\_ and prosecutor decides not to prosecute the noose-hangers
for a hate crime.
\_ Actually, they were expelled, but then appealed. Yes, there
is a difference between putting up some provocative rope and
beating the crap out of someone.
\_ Welcome to provocative speech, the kind of 1st Amendment
speech that does not protect you from assault and battery,
esp. when you're throwing punches as well.
\_ Does not compute.
\_ http://csua.org/u/jkl (ExpertLaw on A&B, mutual)
\_ At first, I thought this was a troll about the porn star. My
coworker briefed me about it this morning. -!op
\- When i first saw "Jena protest" and "Jena 6" in print,
I thought it was a reference to something going on in
Germany. Jena is a famous old town prominent in German
cultural/intellectual/religious history, and also famous
for a Napoleanonic battle [hence the bridge in Paris from
the Eiffel Tower to the Trocadero is the "Jena Bridge"].
I was kinda surprised when I first heard it pronounced
"Gee-na". Did this story get natl coverage when the actual
events occured last yr? Or only after the trial. I was kinda
amazed to hear about the "White Tree of Jena".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena#Famous_citizens
\_ http://www.csua.org/u/jkc
Thank god they aren't locals, though... |
| 2007/9/12-14 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:48036 Activity:high |
9/12 Obama: strong backer of Israel.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/11/post_69.html
\- BTW, Mearshimer and Walt are two quite well regarded
people in the International Relations fields. They are
"standard" in the grad IR curriculum. It would be
like say Susan Graham and Jeffrey Ullman weighing in on
compliers ... ok neither are Donald Knuth, and regular
people dont know who they are, but they are top in the
field. Walt did his PhD at Berkeley under Kenneth Waltz
[who would be like Knuth, or John McCarthy in the earlier
analogy]. Anyway, just pointing out these arent two randoms
or fringe fruitcakes ... like that dood Dershowitz went
after.
\_ I thought blanks and jews hate each other.
\_ Who told you that, Rush Limbaugh?
\_ Probably not that big a deal in recent years but the further
you go back, you more true it is. I'm sorry if you're unaware
of your own nation's history to such a degree you think only
Rush Limbaugh might know the ugly truth. --sad for you
\_ You mean during the Civil Rights movement when Blacks
and Jews worked hand in hand, literally, to help stop
segregation? Or do you mean further back? What
specifically are you talking about?
"From the beginning of the Civil Rights Movement,
Blacks and Jews marched arm-in-arm. In 1909, W.E.B.
Dubois, Julius Rosenthal, Lillian Wald, Rabbi Emil G.
Hirsch, Stephen Wise and Henry Malkewitz formed the
National Association for the Advancement of Colored
People (NAACP). One year later other prominent Jewish and
Black leaders created the Urban League. Julius Rosenwald
and Booker T. Washington worked together in 1912 to
improve the educational system for Blacks in the South."
http://www.csua.org/u/ji7
\_ No, I mean pre-Civil Rights when jews from Europe
were coming to the US to avoid being slaughtered in
European pogroms. The fact that there are a few well
known people who worked together at the time does not
change the fact that the average black and the average
jew hated each other. They were competing for jobs,
housing, etc. Today you won't find many jews and
blacks living in the same areas so distance makes the
heart grow fonder. Each has other concerns in the
modern era so the typical jew/black-on-the-street has
no special animosity towards the other. If you're
either black or jewish, ask your grandparents how they
feel about the other.
\_ You are misinformed about pre-Civil Rights history,
both in terms of race relations and overlap of
employment seeking. Read books like Low Life by
Luc Sante for more perspective.
\_ Most likely this perception of animosity between Jews
and blacks stems from anti-semitic rhetoric from Elijah
Muhammed and Louis Farrakhan, not to mention choice
mis-steps from the good Reverend, quoted below.
mis-steps from the good Reverend, quoted below. -!pp
\_ And don't forget about Professor Griff.
\_ Still waiting for a reply that shows knowledge about
my "nation's history." I assume I will never get it,
nor the mea culpa I deserve.
\_ Are you the same moron who thought GWB was
the principal person behind the PATRIOT Act?
Look at the post 3 posts up or the one below.
Or try STFW your damn self.
\_ Just like I thought, you haven't the foggiest
clue what you are talking about. Even funnier,
you think "Professor Griff" is history. Read
a history book some time, before you make
a fool of yourself again.
a fool of yourself again. Hint: the civil
rights movement started quite a bit *before*
Elijah Muhammed, contradicting your "further
back" claim. Furthermore, the overwhelming
majority of Blacks are Christian, not Muslim.
\_ The Elijah Muhammed comment was from a
different poster, not the one telling you
to STFW. -!pp
\_ Jesse Jackson = Christian. It doesn't
matter either way. The point is that in the
recent past, relatively high-profile blacks
have made some very anti-Jewish statements
and even though Prof. Griff may not be a
historical figure in your opinion, what is
significant is the lack of backlash these
high profile blacks received within the
black community. Jesse Jackson was more
than one remark and yet he is still the de
facto Emperor of Black People. STFW.
Seriously. I'm not doing anymore of your
fucking homework.
\_ No, your point was that blacks and jews
hate each other. This is an over-
generalization. -!pp
\_ I didn't make the statement that
blacks and jews hate each other.
blacks and jews hate each other. I'm
just pointing out that it's not that
far-fetched to believe this is the
case and that you didn't need Rush
Limbaugh to reach the conclusion.
-pp, but not pppppp
\_ Yep, thanks. Also, the idea that
blacks "hate" Jews more than they
"hate" other whites, is quite
frankly, laughable. -pp
\_ Fine. Live in ignorance. I can't
make you STFW and I really don't
care if you feel like you won
some sort of stupid Internet
debate.
\_ Are you taking your ball and
going home, too?
\_ Jesse Jackson. Hymietown.
\_ Because of course, Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks
in America. And one remark is proof of "hate."
\_ Could it be because Jews dominated the slave trade?
\_ He told my dad he speaks for all black people...
\_ Does he plan on bombing them?
\_ "Brzezinski praised Obama for offering a "new face, a new sense of
direction, a new definition of America's role in the world,"
giving the junior senator from Illinois a strong boost of
credibility in the foreign policy department."
Yikes! An endorsement from the author of the "fund the Mujahadeen in
Afghanistan" policy is mixed blessing! |
| 2007/9/6-10 [Reference/Religion] UID:47922 Activity:low |
9/6 Well, now we know where the dinosaurs came from. I for one am
convinced.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1038/1038_01.asp?wpc=1038_01.asp
\_ I am a Christian and I have to say this comic makes me ill and
angry at the same time.
\_ What, you've never read a chick tract before?
\_ No, and why do you call it a "tract"?
\_ http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp |
| 2007/9/4-5 [Reference/Religion] UID:47892 Activity:nil |
9/4 haven't had a good Mormon troll-off in a while. Lemme fix
that:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6972862.stm
\_ Wow, that's some pretty bad fact-checking. Let me highlight an
easily-checked fact they got wrong:
"The heretics, in their view, are the five million members of the
mainstream church."
Actual membership in the LDS church as of April 2007:
12,868,606
http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-690-3,00.html
\_ "He's harmless! Back in the sixties he was part of the Free
Speech movement at Berkeley. I think he did a little too much
LDS" |
| 2007/8/4-6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Reference/Religion] UID:47530 Activity:nil |
8/4 The real Da Vinci Code:
http://urltea.com/1536 (telegraph.co.uk) |
| 2007/8/2-3 [Reference/Religion] UID:47506 Activity:low |
8/2 I want to get a job, to make money, to feel closer to God, to
get a promotion, to give someone else a STD-- bottom reasons
to have sex:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291646,00.html
\_ How is bottom decided here? Least respondents, or most respondents
voted it worst reason, or what?
\_ They voted 1-5 on each reason so presumably the one with the
lowest average response.
\_ "To feel closer to God"? Oh, so all those Catholic priests were
just trying to bring those boys closer to God. I see. |
| 2007/7/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Reference/Religion] UID:47306 Activity:moderate |
7/17 Here's some flamebait for you. Holy freakin shit:
"It's more of a theological perspective. I do believe there is an
Almighty, and I believe a gift of that Almighty to all is freedom. And
I will tell you that is a principle that no one can convince me that
doesn't exist."
--GWB
\_ Ummm, so? The Declaration of Independence says the same thing.
\_ He's saying he makes decisions based only upon religious
considerations. In other words, we're in Iraq because God
told him that was the Right Thing To Do. Read up on the history
of the Crusades and you might see why this is a Very Bad Thing.
\_ The above quote said this?
\_ "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and
then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did,
and now I am determined to solve the problem in the
Middle East."
"Events aren't moved by blind change and chance" ...,
but by "the hand of a just and faithful God."
"I believe God wants me to run for president."
Yes, all actual Bush quotes.
\_ Belief in Providence was common among the Founding
Fathers.
\_ So was Diesm, which discounts religion.
\_ You do the atheists proud, my friend.
\_ Freedom isn't unambiguous. Does the Almighty advocate anarchy?
Communism? Both are freedom in some sense. Freedom from what?
Strictly from a Biblical perspective, it seems pretty clear that
Yahweh likes pious kings with many concubines (an autocratic king,
no wimpy separations of powers or Magna Cartas).
The Bible also recognizes slavery as legitimate...
\_ If the Almighty told Bush to invade Iraq, obviously he does
advocate anarchy. The fact that he talks to Bush at all means
that he is not on our side, since his advice seems to be always
wrong.
\_ Bush: Worshipping Loki since sobriety.
\_ Or else he doesn't exist and Bush imagines God talking to him.
Or else /something/ talks to him, but it turns out it's not
actually God as Bush likes to imagine it. It's the CIA
talking through a receiver in his tooth filling (or else
the Jews, but the Jews run the CIA so it's the same thing).
Or else Bush doesn't even believe it but says it for
political points to the religious constituency. Or else
Bush doesn't exist and Bush is a sniggering automaton.
\_ Sort of like the NASA automatons on the old Mission to Mars
ride? A moment of silence for the M2M ride, please. |
| 2007/6/16 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:46982 Activity:nil |
6/16 Jew victim of racism
http://www.csua.org/u/ixx |
| 2007/6/13-16 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:46933 Activity:nil |
6/13 poor ed jew
http://www.sfist.com/2007/06/13/oh_no_ed_jew.php
\_ So, this guy ran for office in the wrong district, and is going to
jail for it?
\_ he probably would have stayed beneath everyone's radar if he
hadnt been suckered by the 40k FBI bribe
\_ so you think he's a victim in all this?
\_ no. his stupidity is astounding. can't be that stupid,
he's got 15 or so houses, but still, stupids.
\_ inherited wealth, but not brains
\_ This dudes name is begging to be made fun of in so many ways,
yet no jokes. What gives motd, you're really a let down today.
\_ Too obvious/not funny even for motd? I considered it of
course. But not very hard; I was busy at work today. -motd
\_ I was about to scream Nazi, but someone posted some serious
response before I did. |
| 2007/5/22 [Reference/Religion] UID:46720 Activity:nil 77%like:46727 |
5/22 We're in trouble:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=329
The full report shows how many American Muslims think Al Qaeda is just
fine.
\_ Go Bush Go!
\_ ???
\_ Is that a cheer or a command? |
| 2007/5/17-19 [Reference/Religion] UID:46673 Activity:nil |
5/17 emarkp how can a Mormon be pro-torture?
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4796
this is almost a serious, non troll Request For Comment.
\_ What does being a Mormon have to do with it? And what are you
defining as torture? -emarkp
\_ Mormons are pro-polygamy, hence pro-torture (or, more accurately,
pro-being-tortured.)
\_ emarkp: How can anyone who calls themselves a christian be
pro torture? -not op
\_ Have you actually read the bible? -dans
\_ OT Yahweh: "Obey my rules or suffer! And this applies to you
all collectively, and family units collectively!
And cut off part of your penises!"
NT Jesus: "Ok those rules were unobeyable. Love me or suffer!
and, uh, oh yeah this is evaluated after death.
Btw I "died for your sins". This is important for
some reason. I think I have schizophrenia."
Allah: "Ok ok that love stuff was bs, I was smoking a lot
of dope back then. We're back to obey or suffer.
But I'm keeping the afterlife reward stuff in your
benefit plan. I better see you on your knees many
times per day, stroking my godly ego."
\_ See above. -emarkp |
| 2007/5/14-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:46620 Activity:nil |
5/14 So now that Critical Mass has terrorized moms with kids and elderly
couples with cerebral palsy, who will be their next target? -emarkp
\_ pasty computer geeks.
\_ Mormon necro-converters.
\_ "So now that Mormons have done <bad thing>, who will be their
next target?" "Those [racists|polygamists|slaughterers] were
not acting under the sanction of the Mormon church. -emarkp" -tom
\_ Problem with that comparison is that CM is a mob, and there are
some in the mob who are violent, and CM is trying to protect
them, not expose or eject them. -emarkp
\_ The SFBC statements after the last psycho motorist incident
sound pretty much like Mormon church dissembling. "They're
not really part of us." -tom
\_ Except the LDS church actually excommunicates people, and
can document that they aren't part of the group. So-called
"Mormon Fundamentalists" (for instance) have created their
own thing. -emarkp
\_ Brigham Young got excommunicated? -tom
\_ He didn't break any windshields. -emarkp
\_ But he was a racist with 27 wives. -tom
\_ Polygamy was allowed until about 1890. And
what he believed about race was pretty
mainstream then, and wasn't LDS doctrine.
-emarkp
\_ great example, thanks. -tom
\_ perfect example, thanks. -tom
\_ Yes, for your 2nd-grade understanding of
religion, I'm sure it is. I hope you
learn to manage fractions some day.
-emarkp
\_ He was a "foundamentalist."
\_ I am not a foaming at the mouth Mormon or Romney hater, but
I think it was weird when he said "polygamy is the worst
thing I can imagine." I can imagine a lot worse!
\_ What does that have to do with Critical Mass? -emarkp |
| 2007/5/3-7 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel, Reference/Religion] UID:46519 Activity:high |
5/3 So I watched "Frontline/American Experience" this week. The topic
was "The Mormons". I always knew the Mormons were a cult, but
they are even more cultish than I thought. I especially liked
the part about baptising dead Holocaust victims, which for
some reason Jewish people are not too happy about. I wonder why.
\_ Hi troll. This is the same PBS which refuses to show the special
they produced about fundamentalist Islam without islamic watchers.
-emarkp
\_ You know emarkp, this guy is just trying to bait you. Why
feed the troll?
\_ Are you accusing PBS of fabrications? Why am I not surprised.
\_ Biased reporting hardly requires fabrication.
\_ I don't think "biased reporting" is an issue. Either
the show is telling the truth about the origins
and customs of LDS or it isn't. Please give an example
of an instance in which you feel knowing "the other
side of the story" would put the LDS in a better light.
\_ No idea, I haven't seen the show. pp stated that
emarkp accused PBS of fabrications. That's
obviously not what emarkp said. Just pointing that
out. -!emarkp -pp
\_ *ASKED* if emarkp was accusing them of fabrications
\_ I would say the second sentence makes it a
pretty obvious accusation. Whatever.
\_ Do you still beat your wife? Why am I not
surprised.
\_ "Do you still beat your wife?" has the
a negative connotation no matter what
sentence follows it. There is no right
answer. That is not the case with the
question I asked.
\_ Ok, fine. You're beating your wife now?
Why am I not surprised.
\_ Hi, emarkp, what parts of the PBS report on Mormonism were
inaccurate or reported in a biased fashion? --erikred
\_ Haven't watched it yet, however I was pointing out that it's
censoring a producer unless that documentary is vetted by the
very religion it was documenting. We nutty Mormons weren't
treated the same. I have the eps on DVR and will be watching
them later. -emarkp
\_ Huh? What producer was censored?
\_ http://csua.org/u/ilv
\_ What do you mean "vetted by the very religion it
was documenting"? I don't see any reference to
this. The article says the PBS wasn't happy with
the documentary and it was not produced for
"Frontline". I am having trouble understanding
your point here.
\_ That was about the Nation of Islam:
MARTYN BURKE, PRODUCER, "ISLAM VS. ISLAMISTS": Yes,
well, I`ll give you one example. We were doing an
investigative report on how the Nation of Islam, the
so-called black Muslims, in Chicago were being
funded by the Saudi Arabian fundamentalists through
the Saudi embassy in Washington, D.C. And PBS,
through WETA, the flagship station in Washington,
appointed an adviser to oversee our efforts, and
that adviser was from the Nation of Islam.
Interviewed on the Glenn Beck TV show.
http://csua.org/u/ilz
-emarkp
\_ Corroboration?
\_ That is an interview with the guy himself.
-emarkp
\_ Yes, understood. Now, is there
corroboration from anyone else? Any further
details? How can we fact-check this?
\_ Call PBS if you don't believe Burke.
-emarkp
\_ I googled "Martyn Burke PBS" and
haven't found one article or story
that can't be traced back to
http://azcentral.com. This is dangerous
and shoddy journalism. I'd like to
see a piece on this done by at least
one other source, preferably with an
attempt to ask PBS about it.
\_ Because that's the paper that
broke the story. I think you
confuse lack of interest from
other news source with lack of
journalistic integrity on the
part of azcentral. What is it
about the azcentral story that
makes it shoddy? (Beyond your
personal feelings, of course).
If anything, that lack of
interest from MSM is rather
telling.
\_ They "broke" the story in
an opinion piece.
\_ What is it with the trolls today?
\_ I am willing to believe that a couple of Mormons NOT
REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE MORMON CHURCH butchered some nice folk
in the 1800s, but I certainly do not believe the Mormons
run around axeing people anymore. Much like I don't think
the Pope is going to sack Istanbul. dunno what Islam has
to with this.
\_ I don't think the massacre was very controversial. It was
more a case of where the church is NOW that was scary.
That, and the bullpucky that it was founded on, which even
the LDS seems to regard as suspect. The attitude of the LDS
officials was one of "whether our religion is a steaming pile
of crap or not, it seems to work for people". I can see some
beauty and logic in that, but then call it what it is, which
is *not* Christianity or really much to do with Christians.
It is that aspect which, as a Christian, offends me. Don't
go baptising dead Jews. They're Jewish. If they want to be
LDS then they will be. Mormons do a lot more proselytizing
and act much more "holier than thou" than any other religion
I have ever encountered.
\_ Once I'm dead, I'm dead. If some Mormon or anyone else wants
to perform some ritual, what do I care? I'm dead. Let me
spell that out for you: D-E-A-D. Ok? --some random Jew
\_ Don't get out much do ya?
\_ I don't think the baptism for the dead thing works the
way you think it does. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead#Holocaust_victim_controversy
\_ What do you mean? It works exactly like they described
it does. You are posthumously baptising people who
may not want that. In fact, most don't.
\_ I was refering to the fact that the church itself
doesn't randomly do names, they have to be
submitted, usually by a descendant. If a mormon
decendent of holocaust victims wants to be baptised
for them, what right do you have to say they can't?
Beside that, how are you claiming to know what the
dead want? Are you John Edward or something?
Furthermore, see the last quote of that section,
the dead are not compelled to do anything in Mormon
theology.
\_ So says the LDS, but when their records are
examined it seems that that they are lying.
As for knowing what the dead want, if they
wanted to be Mormon then they would have been.
\_ Sigh, re-read wikiepdia and try again.
\_ Wikipedia is not the authoritative source
for this. Besides, did you read the part
about how they continue to find the names
of people like Hitler in the records?
\_ Ok, site an authoritative source.
Also still on the records != continues to
show up.
\_ Ok, site an authoritative source. Also
what exactly are you suggesting the
church do about this? Have a big list
of names no one is allowed to submit?
Talk about an intractable problem. I
guess it doesn't matter, I've seen
your opinion below, so I'm done.
\_ For crying out loud, we're not digging up bodies and
dunking them in water. We're not "posthumously
baptising" anyone. It's baptism **for** the dead, and
is an ordinance offered to them, which the person now
dead can accept or reject. -emarkp
\_ The whole concept is retarded and if you baptise
my dead relative without my consent I will personally
go over there and kick your ass. I don't mean to
resort to violence, but can't the LDS understand
why some people might not like this?! What if I
started baptising dead LDS members like Joseph
Smith and Brigham Young into Islam and created
altars to Mohammed with their names on them and
had suicide bombers paying homage to Joseph
Smith before they blew themselves up. I imagine
some LDS members would not care, but some probably
would not like that, right - and would ask the
question: "What the heck does Joseph Smith have
to do with Islam?"
\_ I wouldn't care one bit. I assume you think all
religion is retarded, so I really don't give a rip
what you think about one particular practice.
-emarkp
\_ I posthumously induct emarkp's great granddad
into the Ku Klux Klan. We'll be sure to list
him on our rolls of honor. -tom
\_ No, I don't think all religion is retarded.
I think baptising non-believers is
retarded and I think that even though the
Catholic Church did it to the Native
Americans. At least they were alive to
protest it, though.
\_ Again, we're not exuming someone and
baptizing their dead bodies, and you're an
idiot to keep claiming it. -emarkp
\_ What's the religious difference? There's
no difference as far as I can tell. So
there's a proxy body to make things
a little bit more sanitary.
\_ Ha ha. So, say your brother (or some such)
converts and wants to do baptisim for one of
your dead realatives, are you going to kick his
butt?
\_ Yes, I would.
\_ All right, cleared that up. Later.
\_ I usually ignore all of the 'Mormon theology is based
on a bunch of magic plates in a hillside arguments', who cares,
faith is faith, but putting stock in asking dead people
(emarkp, they're DEAD, they can't respond) their opinion
is pretty funny!
\_ In the context of religion, you do realize there's a concept of
life after death, right? -emarkp
\_ In traditional christianity, i don't think you have
any contact with dead people. maybe you hang out with them
in heaven. you don't get to ask them if they'd like
to be baptized into another religion. not too familiar
with what islam does. i think the ancestor worship
religions just worship the ancestors, they dont actually
talk to them.
\_ We don't claim to have contact with dead people to perform
proxy baptisms. -emarkp
\_ What's the name of your great grandparents? I'm going
to induct them into the Hashish Assassin cult I'm
starting up in my basement.
\_ Which proxy do you use? Squid? |
| 2007/4/17-18 [Reference/Religion] UID:46336 Activity:kinda low |
4/17 HAW HAW HAW
"Even if it does not turn out that the shooter is Muslim, this is a
demonstration to Muslim jihadists all over that it is extremely easy
to shoot and kill multiple American college students."
--Debbie Schlussel, after initially blaming the attack on a "Paki"
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/04/who_is_the_asia.html
\_ The comments on her pages are amusing, and her habit of
responding IN ALL CAPS TO ALL OF THEM is even better
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/04/virginia_tech_s.html#comments
http://urltea.com/dxr (debbieschlussel.com)
\_ I keep trying to come up with something to say here and fail
every damn time. Some things can not be improved upon.
\_ Who the fuck is Debbie Schlussel?
\_ Blonde haired, blue eyed "Conservative political commentator,
radio talk show host, columnist, and attorney." Ann Coulter
wannabe of sorts. Also claims to be an "expert" on "Islamic
terrorism."
\_ It's easy to kill bunches of people almost anywhere. I think
even jihadists realize that. The problem is that public opinion
is not so good toward your cause when you do so.
\_ The best parts of that blog post are the comments. My god the
insanity is delicious.
\_ Yeah, ol' Debbie's site might be even more entertaining than
freep.
\_ Why do you care? Who is this person? An AC clone? No one cares
about her, why should anyone care about an unknown third rater? |
| 2007/4/11-15 [Reference/Religion] UID:46266 Activity:nil |
4/11 RIP, Kurt Vonnegut
\_ Wow, this is sad news. One of my favorite authors. My favorite
of his has to be Hocus Pocus, though I liked Cat's Cradle,
of his has to be Helter Skelter, though I liked Cat's Cradle,
and Slaughterhouse Five, too. -ausman
\_ I never read Hocus Pocus. Guess I'll pick that up when I get
a chance. I thought Galapagos was a fun read.
\_ So it goes.
\_ God made mud.
God got lonesome.
So God said to some of the mud, "Sit up!"
"See all I've made," said God, "the hills, the sea, the sky, the
stars."
And I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around.
Lucky me, lucky mud.
I, mud, sat up and saw what a nice job God had done.
Nice going, God.
Nobody but you could have done it, God! I certainly couldn't have.
I feel very unimportant compared to You.
The only way I can feel the least bit important is to think of all
the mud that didn't even get to sit up and look around.
I got so much, and most mud got so little.
Thank you for the honor!
Now mud lies down again and goes to sleep.
What memories for mud to have!
What interesting other kinds of sitting-up mud I met!
I loved everything I saw!
Good night. |
| 2007/4/4-6 [Reference/Religion] UID:46193 Activity:nil |
4/4 Teachers in UK drop the Holocaust and Crusades to avoid offending
Muslims: http://csua.org/u/idt
\_ Unamed schools! And I like how you focus on the evil MUSLIMS
and ignore the Christians being cranky asses too. |
| 2007/3/24-25 [Recreation/Dating, Reference/Religion] UID:46085 Activity:very high |
3/24 Dear sodans. What's the best way to rid of bad thoughts like sex
and other bad basic human urges? I think about them all the time
and I waste a lot of time porn surfing. I know it's a waste of time
and it is pointless but I just can't help myself. Please help.
PS. this is NOT a troll. I'd like to be cured.
\_ Masturbate regularly to satiate your sex drive.
\_ http://mormon.org
and I waste a lot of time porn surfing. I know it's a waste of time
and it is pointless but I just can't help myself. Please help.
PS. this is NOT a troll. I'd like to be cured.
\_ Your main problem is that your religion has lied to you about life.
You've been told by your religion that thinking about sex is a sin,
yet if you actually read your scriptures, you'll see that your
religion has no problem with slavery, genocide, and rape. Sane
people who are free of the mental disease of
christiantiy/islam/judaism recognize that these are among the worst
crimes humans ever perpetrate on one another, and that your religion
has so much blood on its hands as to erase any moral authority it
might claim on any subject. Why don't you overcome your urges
to think about sex(and I'm guessing violence) by having sex with
people who actually want to have sex with you and fighting people
who want to fight you in a controlled environment, and tell
your religion to go fuck itself?
people who are free of the mental disease of christiantiy/islam/
judaism recognize that these are among the worst crimes humans ever
perpetrate on one another, and that your religion has so much blood
on its hands as to erase any moral authority it might claim on any
subject. Why don't you overcome your urges to think about sex (and
I'm guessing violence) by having sex with people who actually want
to have sex with you and fighting people who want to fight you in
a controlled environment, and tell your religion to go fuck itself?
\- YMWTR: Jonathan Edwards
The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a
spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is
dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he
looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the
fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight;
you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the
most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him
infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet
it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the
fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you
did not go to hell the last night; that you was suffered to awake
again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And
there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into
hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held
you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone
to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his
to hell, since you have sat here in the sloda motd, provoking his
pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn
worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason
why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.
O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great
why you do not this very moment drop down into /dev/hell.
O slodan! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great
furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of
wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath
is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of
the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames
the damned in hell. You hang by a slender pthread, with the flames
of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe
it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator,
and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off
the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever
have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one
moment.
usec.
\_ If you are a religious person, you don't really want to lose the
urge to commit sin, or that would mean that you have just become
an automaton, unable to think and act freely. The whole metaphor
of the Garden of Eden is to remind us that we have the choice
to sin or not and that choice is what seperates us from the
angels and from animals. You should not want to lose your free
will, just learn to excercise it with restraint. If you are not
religious, why would you want to stop thinking about doing something
that is perfecly normal and healthy? -ausman
\_ If you really want to quit this habit, why not try doing something
that you find more productive/positive w/ your time? If you like
outdoors activities, try doing weekly hikes, &c. Or maybe you could
try going back to school for a professional degree.
that you find more productive/positive w/ your time? Also, have you
tried weaning yourself of pr0n, &c. by voluntarily limiting your
exposure? You could gradually work yourself away from those habits
you dislike towards other activities you think are more positive. |
| 2007/3/21-26 [Reference/Religion] UID:46037 Activity:low |
3/21 http://www.google.com/search?q=my+religious+rights http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=my+religious+rights Click on My Religious Rights. "For more than 80 years, the ACLU and its allies have attempted to eliminate public expression of our nation's faith and heritage. They have done this through fear, intimidation, disinformation, and the filing of lawsuits (or threats of lawsuits)." \_ Good to see that the $1000 I gave the ACLU last year has helped them to be effective. I will remember and give them that amount again. Thanks, I had almost forgotten. \_ I'm glad all the KKK members they help defend, and all the poor cities they sued to remove "religious" symbols and monikers from surely helped the people in general. Do they even know what the word Sacramento means? What about one of their bastions? Los Angeles. ACLU is the best sign you don't needs enemies abroad. What about one of their bastions? Los Angeles. ACLU is the best sign you don't needs enemies abroad. \_ Don't forget all the Neo-Nazis whose 1st amendment rights they helped to protect. Of course, the ACLU occasionally gets something right, but usually that is completely by accident, like when Inspector Gadget foils Dr. Claw's plans w/o help from Penny and Brain. \- aclu membership and contributions took a hit after the skokie case. \_ Quite seriously, I think the ACLU gets it right all the time, with the exception of their stance on 2nd Amendment gun ownership rights. They are the main group that has blocked government censorship of the Internet and they have stood up for the free speech rights of unpopular minorities (your Neo-Nazis for instance) again and again. That is what America is all about to me. Freedom. -$1000/yr ACLU donor \_ With biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be minuscule if, in fact God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve....The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked....I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "you helped this happen." \_ Who gave Rev. Faldwell an account? |
| 2007/3/16-20 [Reference/Religion, Recreation/Dating] UID:46000 Activity:nil |
3/16 Does it please Allah that I cuddle my wife in the position of the
spoon?
Does it please Allah that I sieze my wife in the position of the
spoon? |
| 2007/2/23-27 [Reference/Religion] UID:45801 Activity:moderate |
2/23 "Medieval Muslims made stunning math breakthrough"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070223/sc_nm/architecture_patterns_dc
"Quasicrystalline patterns comprise a set of interlocking units whose
pattern never repeats, even when extended infinitely in all
directions, ..." Wow! Home Depot can probably charge a premium if it
carries these kinds of tiles.
\_ Cool! The medieval Arab world is actually responsible for lots of
math breakthroughs, many of which we use regularly. The most
obvious example I know if lies in the etymology of the word
algebra: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/algebra -dans
\- isnt the arab contribution to science sort of common knowledge?
[in addition to algebra, you'ld think cs people would know
algorithm]. but anyway, less common knowledge is the origin
of "sine", which was due to a "lost in transation" mistake
from sanskrit -> arabic -> latin due to "lossy compression".
it's kind of funny. obwiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_trigonometric_functions#Etymology
If you are interested in "the fall of rome" and the rise of the
arabs" w.r.t. medieterranian culture, you may enjoy reading about
the PIRENNE THESIS.
If you are interested in the rise of the arab between the "fall"
of rome and the later rise of western "christendom" esp w.r.t.
w.r.t. mediterranian culture, you may enjoy reading about
the PIRENNE THESIS. I dont really know anything about art
history, but i like islamic art alot ... i think it is often
"design pattern" driven because they didnt waste so many
cycles on images of people in 2-d or 3-d, unlike the greeks,
romans, western eurpeans etc. that was for religious reasons.
why they didnt spend time on say landscapes [or if that is
even true] i am not sure.
\_ I think the Arab contribution to science is common knowledge
among mathematicians and science history buffs, but I think
they make up a pretty small segment of the general
population. :) -dans
\_ I think we should be more clear here. The Babylonians
and Persians, for example, were not Arab. Since the Arabs
were mostly nomads, I am not sure their contributions are
that great. I don't know if that last statement is
true, but nomadic horsemen aren't usually the type
to develop scientific breakthroughs.
\_ You'd have to check out the Arab world at it's height
in the 12-14th C. Before that it was barbarian tribal
time like you said and after that they were pretty much
under someone else's thumb right up to today.
\_ Cairo has been a city for longer than most of
the world has had literacy. It moved a few times,
due to the Nile moving around, but it has been
a center of learning for at least 4000 years. And
surely you have heard of the Library of Alexandria.
\_ You mean the library that the Greeks built?
\_ Yeah, I was going to point out that Persians (i.e.
modern-day Iran, typically Farsi vs. Arabic speakers.)
also contributed considerably to the Arab golden age,
but it felt like splitting hairs. But, yes, Persians
are distinct from Arabs. Was Babylon near its height
at the same time as the height of the Persian and Arab
empires? -dans
\_ We're all using arabic numerals.
\_ Which were developed in India.
\_ Huh? URL please?
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals
Was that too difficult for you to find? |
| 2007/2/3-6 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:45646 Activity:nil |
2/3 Ancient Greek religion makes a comeback in Greece:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329702212-103680,00.html |
| 2006/12/7-12 [Reference/Religion] UID:45419 Activity:nil |
12/6 This is awesome: http://csua.org/u/hmr |
| 2006/12/6-12 [Reference/Religion] UID:45415 Activity:nil |
12/6 Been having lockfile problems from procmail since late last night.
\_ This is awesome: http://csua.org/u/hmr
\_ Both politburo root and alumni root are aware of this. Cranky old
alumni root are working on trying to solve this problem. - jvarga |
| 2006/11/26-12/5 [Science/GlobalWarming, Reference/Religion] UID:45372 Activity:kinda low |
11/26 http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=fuh2&s=int Nice FUH2 pictures (fuck you H2). Middle fingers, not Mormon safe \_ I must know, what is your (the unnamed troll) infatuation with Mormons? -emarkp \_ Hero worship. \_ Why are they including H1's in there? Seems like a dumb thing to waste energy on. Why should anyone bother looking at these? They are just, you know, H2s with middle fingers. |
| 2006/11/14-25 [Reference/Religion] UID:45339 Activity:nil |
11/14 Article by a Christian on why D&D is OK.
http://mjyoung.net/dungeon/confess.html
That's all fine and dandy, what I actually found interesting in the
article is his reference to "the more intellectual question of whether
the assumption of statistical randomness is an affront to the
sovereignty of God." First time I've heard THAT. Really throws me.
\_ God is a perfect random number generator
\_ God is not random
\_ This is, of course, a subset of the larger problem of the
incompatibility of divine plan and free will.
\_ <insert obligatory Matrix reference vis a vis The Architect
and The One/> |
| 2006/11/11 [Reference/Religion, Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:45329 Activity:high |
11/11 Curt looked at his erection, amazed. "I thought it had stopped
earlier... My God, I'm huge!" Tentatively, he touched his engorged tip
and patted it with his finger tips. It bobbed slightly as he stood up.
Picking up a tape measure from the hall desk, Christa quickly came
over to Curt and measured him. She let out a low whistle of
appreciation at his new length as she wrapped the tape measure around
his shaft. She looked up at him... "Curt, you've grown to eleven
inches long and five-and-a-half inches around." She did some quick
mental math. "Jesus, Curt. You're 1.7507 inches thick! Make
sure you keep that thing the hell away from me." |
| 2006/11/10-12 [Reference/Religion] UID:45313 Activity:low |
11/10 Has anyone heard of Otakukin before? These guys have got to be a
joke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otakukin
http://forum.deviantart.com/community/complaints/612247
\_ It sounds much more harmless and less stupid than Christianity.
If these people are for real, how many of them do you think
believe that the world was created 6000 years ago exactly as
described in Genesis? You know, the same ignorant load of shit
believed by OVER HALF of our dumbass redneck nation.
\_ Hi racist!
\_ BTW, is it Genesis or another Bible book which said the earth is
flat and the sun revolves around it?
\_ Neither.
\_ Then why did the Church arrest Galileo?
\_ They were staying the course. -John
\_ I see. So it wasn't the Bible that was wrong. It
was the Church that was wrong.
\_ No, the pope is infallible.
\_ The Bible never says "the earth is flat", nor does
it say the Sun revolves around the Earth. There
are passages which talk about "the four corners of
the Earth" which some people interpreted to mean a
flat world. There is a record of a miracle in
which "the sun stood still" which many interpreted
to mean the sun goes around the earth, etc. |
| 2006/11/3 [Politics/Foreign, Reference/Religion] UID:45128 Activity:nil |
11/2 In what can only be described as a surprise move, God has
officially announced His candidacy for the U.S. presidency. During
His press conference today, the first in over 4000 years, He is quoted
as saying, "I think I have a chance for the White House if I can just
get my campaign pulled together in time. I'd like to get this country
turned around; I mean REALLY turned around! Let's put Florida up
north for awhile, and let's get rid of all those annoying mountains
and rivers. I never could stand them!"
There apparently is still some controversy over the Almighty's
citizenship and other qualifications for the Presidency. God replied
to these charges by saying, "Come on, would the United States have
anyone other than a citizen bless their country?" |
| 2006/11/1-2 [Reference/Religion] UID:45065 Activity:nil |
11/01 hey emarkp, what does Mormon scripture say about our pro
waterboarding vice president?
\_ A republican must justify the opinions and actions of all
republicans. Fairness++. !emarkp
\_ Funny, I'm not even a Rebublican. -emarkp
\_ What kind of mormon are you? ;) !emarkp
\_ He's a Mormon Communist like OSC.
\_ I'm "Decline to State". -emarkp
\_ It's pretty clear about killing. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier
on the subject of kneecaps. -emarkp
\_ Cheney: Sweetie, we're crooks. If everything were right,
we'd be in jail.
\_ Sweetie, we're crooks. If everything were right,
we'd be in jail. -cheney |
| 2006/10/30-31 [Reference/Religion] UID:45038 Activity:high |
10/30 Poll of the week. What is your favorite wacko cult? My favorite
is the Koolaid cult where 1000+ people drank koolaid and died.
How about your favorite cult? Koresh Davidian? Heaven's Gate?
\_ Scientology.
\_ Islam.
\_ Christianity.
\_ rms-inanity
\_ Mormonism
\_ Apple users
\_ Raelians, hands-down. I can't believe no one's even mentioned them.
\_ Mormons. Warren Jeffs.
\_ My favorite evil cult is the Nazi Geramny Cult. Heil.
\_ Remember, they're only wackos because they don't have critical mass
to be a religion. All of the slightly more mainstream religions
can tut-tut the cultists for accepting the _wrong_ set of
baseless mythology on faith.
\_ Heaven's gate. I was just starting to discover the joys of the
internets when they offed themselves. Then a friend of a friend
of a friend mirrored their whole site for great justice before
the police had it taken down. Ahhh.. memories.
\_ Four-way toss-up between Temple Solaire, Heaven's Gate,
Branch Davidians and People's Temple. Catholic church and islam
are in close running for honorable mention. -John
\_ I'm no fan of either religion, but if you call Catholicism and
Islam cults, you're using a very odd(wrong) definition of cult,
especially for Islam. They don't have a leader or a coherent
organization!
\_ Well, catholicism has a leader and a coherent organization,
and having spent a large part of my early childhood in a
very strictly catholic environment and community, I think I
know what I'm talking about. As for islam, would you accept
if I said "radical islam" instead? There is no one structure
of authority, but many charismatic individual leaders who are
followed pretty much unquestionably. -John
\_ Not the LDS?
\_ Not even close. -John
\_ atheists, secular Jews.
\_ jews for jesus and the atheists who hate others for believing.
\_ which atheists hate others for believing? do they have an
organisation?
\_ mormons, they are so nice for cultists
\_ I don't remember the name, but there was a religion based on
celibacy. They didn't last very long.
\_ There were several Christian utopian communities formed in the
mid-19th century in the U.S. which practiced celibacy. Yes, they
died out.
\_ The Shakers?
\_ Catholicism?
\_ Computer Science? ha ha. |
| 2006/10/26-29 [Recreation/Dating, Reference/Religion] UID:44986 Activity:kinda low |
10/26 Muslim cleric blames women for rape:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061026/ap_on_re_au_an/australia_muslims
'A senior Muslim cleric compared women who go without a head scarf to
"uncovered meat" left out for scavengers, ...
"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without
cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or
the uncovered meat's?"'
\_ Sadly not an original stance. Look at Pakistan's legal structure
that says a raped woman needs 4 male witnesses or she's guilty of
adultery. The obvious assumption is women are SEX MACHINES just
waiting for that chance to get it wherever they can. Of course
there's some merit to "dressing provocatively gets you raped", but
it's no different than "buying that expensive car is what got it
stolen"
\_ No, there is no merit to "didn't cover herself head to toe got
her raped". Nor is there any merit to "she was wearing a
bikini and it got her raped". Buying an expensive car doesn't
get it stolen. Getting it stolen gets it stolen. Sheesh.
\_ I think we're agreeing with each other. My point was that the
"merit" is pointless. There's definitely a herd mentality
at play here, though. If they're all covered head to toe and
one's showing ankle, she _is_ more likely to get raped. That
doesn't mean she was "asking for it" or "deserved it", but
there is cause and effect.
\_ I think you'd have to back that up. I don't know what
goes through a rapist's mind (probably - often - just
a simple "right place at the right time") but I know
that when talking about being sexually attracted to
women I am not necessarily more attracted to the ones
showing more skin. If one is not attractive (to me) and
half-naked and her friend is totally hot but covered
head to toe, I'm still interested in the hot one.
\_ But in an environment where most dress conservatively,
one can use the fact that one girl is dressed "slutty"
to rationalize that that one is "asking for it" and
so it's ok to rape her. In those fucked up religious
places "slutty" could be having your head uncovered.
Actually there was a case in Iraq where a goat farmer
was murdered because he had been warned to put diapers
on his goats and failed to do so. source:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5622900
The real implication here is that men are like
dumb beasts, who will eat "meat" if it's available
regardless of morality.
\_ How can one buy meat at the "meat market" if one can't see it
first?
\_ If you're hungry enough anything tastes good.
\_ Your parents arranged it with her parents. No one asked you.
\_ So when do you start feeding yourself?
\_ This is the argument I keep having with American friends who do
not really have a lot of exposure to really nasty militant islam
inside the country--some of the shit you see from the loonies,
who are neither few nor far in between nor particularly fringe, is
so egregiously bad that it immediately removes any legitimacy they
might lay claim to--and yet some insist on "dialogue" with
assholes like this while painting painting people like Orianna
Fallaci as fascists (probably right, but still) who should be
shunned and ostracized. Sigh. Then again, there was the Italian
court a few years ago who acquitted a guy of rape because it's a
well-known fact that you can't get blue jeans off a woman who
isn't a willing participant... -John
\_ Italian rape case:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/277263.stm
\_ I want to ask this cleric: if he goes to a public restroom and
pees with his microscopic willie, without cover, and a stray dog
walks in and bites it off, whose fault is it, the dog or the
uncovered willie?
\_ His wang would be unclean and unable to join him in paradise.
\_ Neither. It would be the fault of the Jews and their Zionist
Entity, created and sponsored by The Great Satan.
\- i have neither followed the story nor the thread above closely
but i think a number of people are missing the point. the
point is not to debate this on the merits, but ask "why do
obvious fruitcakes continue to have followers rather than
discrediting themselves." this applies to: crazy mullahs ...
a category in which i include pat robertson, people like
rush limbaugh [i dont include ann coulter, michelle malkin,
michael moore ... because i dont think they really have
followers in the same sense ... and they are to a greater
extent just clowns]. i dont really think there is anything
to talk about "on the merits". like w.r.t. to creationism:
creationism in the 21st century is an interesting social
phenomena in america which begs some explanation, but
obviously there is nothing to talk about on the substative/
scientific merits. back to the mullah vs mullah: obviously
it's silly to claim not wearing the chador/burka/hijab ->
"come get me" is ridiculous ... why are you even talking about
that. do you sped a lot of time debating whether america
"deserved" 9/11, katerina because it is not appoximating
"deserved" 9/11, katerina because it is now appoximating
soddom and gommorah? how about "can a good christian
pray for the death of ussc justice." so what begs explanation
is almost anthopological, not ethical/moral/legal or religous.
is almost anthopological, not ethical/moral/legal or relig.
\- BTW, it occurs to me that the cathloic popes have some
equally fruitcake views. they might be less inflammory
and not have obvious policy consequences, but intellec-
tually, they are about as nutty. i suppose it's a
somewhat interesting question would you rather work for
a boss who held some minorly offensive political views
or somthing fruitcakish, like aliens are walking among us
or the earth is flat or we never landed on the moon ...
which speaks to general world view and reasoning, but
little if any policy consequences. |
| 2006/10/17-18 [Reference/Religion] UID:44848 Activity:nil |
10/17 Vatican issues cartoon version of John Paul's life
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061017/en_nm/pope_cartoon_dc
\_ Crap. Now we're going to have another violent muslim riot.
\_ Why do you hate violent muslim riots? |
| 2006/10/17-18 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44843 Activity:high |
10/16 [silenced!] --purged by brownshirt neocon </self-amusement>
And this is just what goes on in San Francisco! All over the rest
of the country there are hundreds of similar incidents just like this
one happening every day.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/17/EDG6PKDVMM1.DTL
\_ Debra J Saunders has successfully trolled you all, I salute
her.
\_ DJS isn't smart enough to troll her own dog.
\_ I guess being a political columnist is all about being
a successful troll. I disilke her columns but she
does appear to refrain from leaving out convenient
facts that piss off tom so much when writing about
draconian sentencing for 1st time drug convictions.
\_ Why do liberals knee-jerk with the "I disagree with him so he
must be stupid" act?
\_ yeah, you're right, it is bad that an intolerant asshole can
say what he wants on the radio in SF and still keep his job.
spew idiocy on the radio in SF with no repercussions.
\_ Michael Savage is not in this article.
\_ Yeah, you are right, critisizing someone is exactly the same as
bashing them in the face and breaking their nose.
\_ Yeah, your are right. Bashing someone in the nose is exactly the
same as systematically rounding up Jews for extermination.
\_ Your knowledge of history is lacking. The Brown Shirts had
nothing to do with exterminating Jews because they were
dissolved after the "Night Of The Long Knives." Kristallnacht
is a more appropriate analogy.
\_ Did you miss the thread from a couple of days ago?
http://www.csua.org/u/h84
"The FBI reported that the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes rose
from twenty-eight in 2000 to 481 in 2001, a seventeen-fold increase"
\_ Truly shocking. Here's some more numbers from the FBI showing
who the real victims of hate crimes are:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/section1.htm
I'll quote the section on Muslims for you, "Of the 1,480
reported offenses within single-bias incidents that were
motivated by the offenders religious bias, 67.8 percent were
anti-Jewish, 13.0 percent were anti-Islamic, 3.9 percent were
anti-Catholic, 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant, and 0.5 percent
were anti-Atheism or Agnosticism. Bias against other
(unspecified) religions accounted for 9.5 percent of the hate
crime offenses motivated by religious bias, and bias against
groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple
religions, group) accounted for 2.5 percent."
\_ I suspect jews are much more likely to report hate
crimes for a variety of reasons. -A Jew
\_ Very good, now show me the statistics for 2001 and 2002.
\_ If you care go find and post them and quote the same
section and explain why 2001 or 2002 is any different than
2004 while you're at it.
\_ They have been mysteriously deleted from the FBI web
site. If you don't understand why bias crimes against
Muslims might have peaked right after 9/11, then I
probably can't explain it to you.
\_ Duh, of course they spiked. And then they dropped
again. But you fail to notice (or care) that the
vast and overwhelming number of hate crimes are
against Jews and that number hasn't changed much.
If you failed to miss that point even after I
quoted it to you then there is no reason to try to
explain it to you. It isn't worth the effort. And
yeah, the FBI #s mysteriously disappeared. It is
clearly an anti-Muslim conspiracy of the bushco run
FBI. Whatever.
\_ Hate crimes are bad. You are the only one trying
to minimize them or somehow rationalize the
behavior of people committing them. And yes,
*everything* that Bush does is for political
gain. He is much like Clinton in that fashion.
The vast majority of hate crimes are against
Blacks, not Jews, btw. But yes, you are right
that in overall total number, there are more hate
crimes against Jews than Muslims. I suspect this
is not true on a per capita basis though I have
to admit to not seeing anyone do that calculation.
\_ Just another example of how diversity of every kind is celebrated by
the left. Except of course diversity of thought.
\_ Excuse me? Who's the one calling the other side a terrorist
or "America hater" for questioning the president?
\_ Um, neither side AFAICT.
\_ Why do you hate acronyms?
\_ Thomas Sowell's comments about this: http://csua.org/u/h85
\_ do you really want to be on the same side of the argument as
Thomas Sowell and Debra Saunders? -tom
\_ Actually, /I/ do. -emarkp
\_ Some don't automatically dismiss a source based on who the
writer is. If they make sense or have some facts then so
be it. YMMV.
\_ What facts are there in either of those columns? Both
*completely leave out* the comments which got people
angry, because they're not convenient to the points the
shill wants to make. Those writers do that *all the time*.
-tom
\_ Both articles are explicitly opinion articles. The
facts have been reported, these are stated opinions
about the facts. So? -emarkp
\_ So, don't you think the fact that Pete Wilson called
the kid a "travesty" is, you know, kind of important
to the discussion? Don't you think it's kind of
disingenuous to portray the situation as liberals
trying to squash someone *just* for holding a
different opinion? There's a difference between
holding a different opinion, and calling someone
else's kid a travesty; the supervisors are angry
about the latter, not the former, but these
moronic tools dishonestly frame the situation
as being about the former. -tom
\_ No, I don't think anyone should lose their job or
have it threatened for calling someone else's
public relationship or the kid in their (to be
kind) odd relationship a travesty. They're both
public figures and so is Pete Wilson. His
expression of his opinion does not in any way
rise to the level of job loss.
\_ I might agree with you. But if you write
an opinion column and leave out the fact
that he called the kid a travesty, I might
think you're full of shit. -tom
\_ Wouldn't matter to me if he called the kid
the Ultimate Evil Spawn Of Satan And Cause
Of All Badness In The Universe(c) and they
didn't mention that in their op/ed. It
still doesn't rise to the level of job loss.
Public figures do not have the same level of
privacy protection from what I'll call
"unwanted speech" that private citizens do.
Being called names is part of public life.
\_ The kid is not a public figure. -tom
\_ Oh n0es! I'm sure he's been defamed
and is highly upset and Pete Wilson
should lose his job due to the long
emotional trauma Mr. Wilson caused
as well as the future financial
losses due to his defamation! We need
to try and execute Pete right away
because this goes any further! Think
of the children!
\_ What about the Bush twins? They were
just kids and there were all sorts of
horrible things said about them. They
were not public figures, either.
should all those reporters and various
commentators be fired?
\_ I am not advocating for
Pete Wilson to be fired;
I'm just identifying the
real point which the
right-wing shills are not.
Should Pete Wilson be
fired for thinking that
two gays who aren't in a
romantic relationship
shouldn't have a kid? I
don't think so, and I
don't think any liberals
think so, either. The
whole idea is a straw man
created by dittoheads.
The real question is
whether someone should be
fired for hateful speech,
and whether Wilson's
comments constituted
hateful speech.
Personally, I'd say yes to
the first and no to the
second.
By the way, could you point
out an example of a respected
news anchor saying something
that borders on hate speech
about the Bush twins? Another
straw man. -tom
\_ Why does it have to be a
'respected anchor'? There are
numerous reports, cartoons, etc
published in print, online, etc
calling them all sorts of
things. You can't honestly say
they weren't getting picked on.
And unlike an infant, they were
old enough to get hurt. Let's
just execute everyone we don't
like or says anything mean.
\_ Please provide some examples
of people in positions like
Pete Wilson's making
comments about how the
Bush twins are "a travesty"
(or similar language).
This is not the MOTD or
dailykos we're talking about
here; this is someone whose
job it is to report news.
-tom |
| 2006/10/10-12 [Reference/Religion] UID:44760 Activity:nil |
10/10 The NY Apple store is apparently insulting to muslims:
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD131506 |
| 2006/10/5-7 [Reference/Religion] UID:44693 Activity:moderate |
10/6 Iran's supreme leader Khameini: No masturbation during Ramadan.
If you "accidentaly" make it hard, but don't cum it's bad but not
too bad? WTF?
No wonder suicide bombings go up during Ramadan, the young Muslim men
are going nuts!
http://tinyurl.com/fb5xw
\_ Not even after sunset!?!
\_ Does it matter? The humor is in the fact that these
religions are so obsessed about everyone's private lives.
Don't stick your dick in the wrong hole or play with
yourself at the wrong time!
yourself at the wrong time! Scientology proves you can make
a religion as wacky as possibly and you'll still get legions
a religion as wacky as possible and you'll still get legions
of followers.
\_ Scientology is a religion? I thought they were a mafia.
\_ ...but it's ok not during Ramadan?
\_ Explain to me how it is that this causes Muslim suicide bombers but
the Catholic Church's ban on masturbation doesn't create Catholic
suicide bombers? Ditto the Mormons?
\_ It only causes the number to go UP. Actually I wasn't
being serious (duh). -op
\_ And at first I didn't think you were. And then I had a
depressing insight into how you might have been. And then I
was sad and needed to share.
\_ This seems like something you'd find in the onion. |
| 2006/9/28-29 [Reference/Religion, Recreation/Pets] UID:44595 Activity:kinda low |
9/28 God, what a depressing day. Can someone post some lesbians so I can
feel better?
\_ Here you go:
http://www.oceanlight.com/html/boobies.html
http://www.rit.edu/~rhrsbi/GalapagosPages/Boobies.html
http://tokyoahead.com/main/article.php/galapagosbirdsboobies
\_ What a lot of pretty boobies! Thank you boobie guy!
\_ Better than seagulls, I guess. --op
\_ link:tinyurl.com/7wxd2
\_ http://www.heaven666.org/celebs/Anna%20Kournikova%20Gets%20the%20Sand%20Out!/anna-kournikova-sandyvag3.jpg
\_ Go watch Saving Face. It's a romantic comedy about Chinese American
lesbians... and I feel guilty for saying this, but the sex scene
was HAWT. |
| 2006/9/27-28 [Reference/Religion] UID:44581 Activity:nil |
9/27 http://csua.org/u/h1c (obama.senate.gov) Barack Obama says gays should get their Jesus on \_ Vaguely related: he notes that he's opposed to abortion "for religious reasons" Now I've never met a anyone who's pro-murder, atheist or otherwise, so the religious objection to abortion isn't just "Thou Shalt Not Kill". What in the Bible says "though shalt not abort a fetus" or even "from the moment of conception, it's a human"? \_ ob I don't think it's the Bible, but I think the Pope has a lot to do with it. \_ Good thing the Pope changed the rules on when life begins before he became infallible. |
| 2006/9/27 [Reference/Religion] UID:44576 Activity:nil |
9/27 http://csua.org/u/h1c (obama.senate.gov) Barack Obama says leftists should get their Jesus on "My father ... became an atheist. ... My mother ... grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion ... so did I. ... But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth." |
| 2006/9/22-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Reference/Religion] UID:44501 Activity:low Cat_by:auto |
9/22 Apparently the Pope is a Jew: http://csua.org/u/gz1 \_ Ironic considering they killed a solid 20-30 million Orthodox Christians during the first half of the 20th century. \_ Of course! It all makes sense now! \_ I'm told by a guy I know in Azerbijain that it is common knowledge in Azerbijain that Bush and Cheney are both Jews. \_ Better a Jew than a red-neck right wing nut case like our President. If I can only choose one race to rule the earth, I'd totally pick the Jew over all other races -jeworshippor \_ Considering they killed a solid 20-30 million Orthodox Christians during the first half of the 20th century this is not so surprising. this is not so surprising. -jblack \_ What? \_ Uh oh, jblack seems to be hitting the meth pipe now. \_ You, sir, have been trolled. Try new improved formula Troll Gro(tm) for healthy trolls! -John \_ That's Kazakhstan. Kill the jew Sacha Baron Cohen! -John \_ Uh oh, politically incorrect history. I suppose this is not taught in hate Whitey 101. |
| 2006/9/19-22 [Reference/Religion] UID:44442 Activity:nil |
9/19 Muslims are so trollable - the fucking Pope
\_ Most religious nutcases are easily trollable. Just look at
emarkp for example. Watch him delete this post over and
over again.
\_ Does a bear shit in the pope's hat?
\_ Does a bear shit in the fucking pope's hat?
\_ The apology rocked: "I'm so sorry you are all a bunch of whiny
pussies" |
| 2006/9/18-20 [Reference/Religion] UID:44432 Activity:nil |
9/18 Gosh I hope the Muslims don't assassinate the Pope. I think
he's kinda cool.
\_ yay nazi pope |
| 2006/9/18-20 [Reference/Religion] UID:44429 Activity:kinda low 66%like:44428 |
9/18 [I'll keep reposting this until you stop censoring it, thanks]
\_ I'll keep deleting it. You have my email address. -emarkp
\_ Is your religion too weak for a link on the motd?
\_ Non-sequitur. Your question is about history. Is your too
\_ *laugh* as opposed to other, more mainstream religions which
stand up great to scrutiny and uncensored historical fact?
The only reason people pick on Mormons is that they're too
The only reason people pick on Mormons is that you're too
dumb, brainwashed, or cowardly to point out the same flaws in
the more mainstream fairy tales.
\_ Non-sequitur. Your question is about history. Is your
question too weak to sign? -emarkp
\_ Can you tell us what's being deleted, so I can go look it up
in the log?
\_ Google "Mountain Meadows Massacre," unless he censors this
reference to it as well.
\_ Why, is there some new evidence, is it just the usual
conspiracy theory level psudeo-history?
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre
Wow, that sounds pretty convincing: "Although the various
sources agree on the essential story of the massacre on
September 11, 1857, the sources differ on many of the
facts leading up to or following the massacre."
Is there some part that's not true?
\_ Right above: "Almost every acknowledged 'fact'
about the fate of these murdered people is open to
question." Other places on the page is says that
who attacked is debated. I'm curious which part of
the essential story isn't debated. That a bunch of
people died?
\_ This is the first I've heard of this but really at
150 years later who cares who did what to who? They
executed the one guy 20 years later and everyone that
had any involvement and their grand children are
dead long ago.
\_ Good question. I suspect this thread
actually started with op somehow linking
emarkp with the massacre, but op being too
big a pussy to sign his post. Don't know
though.
\_ He was asking me what I thought of it. I
delete posts addressed to me by anonymous
trolls. -emarkp
\_ While I can understand why you might be
irked by anonymous trolls, this policy of
deletion could prevent you (and the rest
of us) reading something interesting. I
don't always sign my stuff, especially when
I run out of room on the line. --erikred,!op
\_ FWIW, I honestly wasn't trolling, I just
read about the incident (in the book
"Under The Banner Of Heaven") and I was
curious about a modern Mormon's opinion
on it... I could have asked a more
general question about "blood atonement,"
but that seemed a bit more inflammatory.
-op
\_ Ok, I think you got your answer. Can
this thread die now?
\_ "Under the Banner of Heaven" is a
crock of crap from the reviews I've
read. You might want to read real
history. Here's an apologist response
to Krakauer:
http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=530 -emarkp
\_ Part of this response seems to amount to
"He doesn't believe in Jesus, so what does
he know?"
\_ The quote is from author Will Bagley. He also said:
"the same critics say 'Well you know what? There's no
smoking gun there. ...' ... I don't think that the
evidence is ambiguous."
http://csua.org/u/gx4 (salamandersociety.com)
\_ Yeah, that site looks unbiased.
\_ So are you making any opinions about what
Bagley's two statements?
\_ So are you making any opinions about Bagley's
two statements?
\_ And here's an apologist reply to Bagley:
http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=509 |
| 2006/9/18-20 [Reference/Religion] UID:44426 Activity:nil |
9/18 Belief in God in America and other countries
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2355486,00.html
http://csua.org/u/gwz (panthershuddle.com) |
| 2006/9/18-20 [Reference/Religion] UID:44422 Activity:nil |
9/18 The religion of peace protests at Westminster Cathedral
http://catholiclondoner.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-rushed-post.html
\_ Not to be confused with the Westminster Abbey which is of much
higher significance in the UK, and which is not Roman Catholic. |
| 2006/9/15-19 [Reference/Religion] UID:44390 Activity:nil |
9/15 http://csua.org/u/gwe Once again the religion of peace riots. \_ "death to the infidels for implying we are violent!!" \_ Not to defend their reaction, but watching "Monarchy" recently, it \_ Not to defend their reaction, but it seems that even Westerners whose freedom of expression and say in their government has been non-exitent have reacted this way their government were non-existant have reacted this way throughout history. Riots are a time-honored tradition everywhere. |
| 2006/8/8-11 [Reference/Religion] UID:43941 Activity:low |
8/8 One quarter of the religion of peace in England says it's okay to blow
people up in subways and busses.
http://csua.org/u/gn5
\_ All the bombings of public transportation are clearly the work of
the oil industry.
\_ and 1/4 of adult americans think the sun revolves around the
earth.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_11/005208.php
link dead but I've seen the pdf in the past.
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind02/append/c7/at07-10.pdf
\_ So? Does that mean they think it's okay to kill random people?
\_ That doc has all sorts of fun. Like more high school dropouts
know that smoking causes lung cancer and can explain what a
molecule is than high school graduates.
\_ 47% of Americans believe God created man in his present form within
the past 10,000 years.
\_ Hey, nice little red herring. I like how with an appeal to the
anti-Christian knee-jerkers you managed to equate a wide spread
belief among British Muslims that blowing up innocent civilians
is good the same as Americans believing in God's creation of the
world. Because, as we all know, all religious beliefs are
equally evil, except for Xtians are who much worse of course.
You earned the troll of the week award and an A+ for this one!
\_ 47% of Americans are fucking stupid. Why are more people
in America religious than in Europe? I was talking to a guy
at work who was saying I should be ashamed of myself for
not believing in god and that I'm going to go to hell and
that I'm arrogant for not considering Jesus and the bible.
I mean he's right that I'm arrogant about it, but why can't
he see that he's similarly arrogant (possibly not as much as
me actually)?
\_ Not true. They think they _know_ GOD? They think we
measly humans share form with GOD? Who do you think
is more arrogant?
\_ The *average* American is dumber and less educated than the
average citizen of any other industrialized nation. What
saves us is that the smartest Americans are smarter than the
smartest citizens of any other nation (because they move
here.) Of course if nativist republican fucks have their way,
that will no longer be true, and America will fall within
a decade.
\_ that, and stem-cell research ban AND "intelligent Design"
in public education... AND allowing swarm of illegal
immigrants to overflood our public school system :D
\_ obviously you did "consider" Jesus and the bible...
I "consider" it mythology.
\_ Some I consider my girlfriend, and some I just consider.
Like yer mom.
\_ So? Does that mean they think it's okay to kill random people?
\_ "Mr Blair declared: 'I am not the person to go into the Muslim
community and explain to them that this extreme view is not the true
face of Islam." Dude. The "true face of Islam" isn't what you want
it to be, it's reflected in how people actually practice it. And
they practice it by repressing women and demanding death for
apostasy.
\_ what the fuck? You should go to Malaysia, Indonesia, Qatar, even
Iran and check it out yourself. In case of Iran, there are more
women in their Assembly than US congress :D
\_ The Daily also says: (http://www.csua.org/u/gn6
"Britain's most senior Asian policeman yesterday warned that ......"
"The Ugandan-born police chief, 51, ......"
Hmm, Uganda is in Asia?
\- there are a lot of asians[indians] in uganda.
\_ <DEAD>www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ug.html<DEAD>
non-African (European, Asian, Arab) 1%, other 8%
\_ Indians & Pakistanis controlled a large proportion of
Uganda's commerce before Idi Amin evicted "Asiatics" in the
1970s. -John
1970s. Many fled to the UK. -John
\_ I see. Thx.
\- see also MISSISSIPPI MASALA
\_ Denzel beds a hot Indian girl in that movie. Nice.
Once you go black, you never go back! -black male
\_ Does anyone have a reference to a poll taken in England that
supposedly showed that a MAJORITY of Muslims in England would
like to impose Sharia law on the entire country? I've heard it
said but never saw the story to back it up ...
\_ Sadly, the poll question is never given verbatim. The same poll
also shows 50% of respondents saying 9/11 was an Israeli-U.S. plot.
http://csua.org/u/gn9 (channel4.com)
I'm pretty sure this is the spin machine trying to keep Blair as PM
for another year
\_ Sadly, the poll question is never given verbatim.
\_ 5% of Americans think that George W Bush is the greatest American
President ever.
\_ You're damn right we do!!! --proud 5% of Americans |
| 2006/7/31-8/2 [Reference/Religion] UID:43848 Activity:nil |
7/31 Kentucky museum uses Bible to tell Earth's natural history
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060731/ap_on_re_us/creation_museum
\_ The last two sentences are awesome.
\_ "Fishy fishy fishy.... FISH!"
\_ http://csua.org/u/gkq
Ahh, childhood memories reborn on YouTube --michener
\_ You may enjoy this: http://www.csua.org/u/gkx -John
\_ Miss Kentucky is one hot Miss USA. -proud American |
| 2006/7/18-20 [Reference/Religion, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43709 Activity:nil |
7/18 John may be an idiot but I enjoy trolling him. Thank God for stupid
people like him who provide hours of free entertainment. Heil.
\_ i liked the swedish chef version better
\_ The troll farm flourishes! Troll-Gro worked! Awesome. -John
\_ Your chicom troll pen has really blossomed into a best-in-show
gallery! Very impressive! |
| 2006/7/6-7 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:43577 Activity:nil |
7/6 Wow, I got this in my http://movietickets.com e-mail today: Islam: What the West Needs to Know (NR); NY/Wash/ATL ... this documentary demonstrates that Islam is a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government. \_ Islam or Death (In Michigan) http://lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/OPINION02/607050335& \_ Silly man, doesn't he realize that without cherry-picking the religious texts, there would be no western liberal (and that includes fundies, btw) Christianity? \_ That's a huge oversimplification of the situation. The core issue is not cherry picking. It is that the other major religions have all come to terms with the modern world but Islam has not. The world has all sorts of crazies but you don't see large organised well funded groups of <insert any religion but Islam here> running around suicide bombing civilians in some hopeless effort to turn the world into their idea of 8th century heaven. \_ and selectively ignoring inconvenient bits of one's religious texts is a key component of "[coming] to terms with the modern world" \_ Yes. It has to be. Is there a problem with that? The alternative is the aggressive Islam we see today. I much prefer people giving a wink and nod to people cutting off heads and keeping women as 4th class non- citizens. \_ Yeah. I'm curious how much of radical Islam has to do with the fact that most of it's followers are just really, really poor and uneducated. \_ Most of radical Islam relies entirely on its followers being illiterate and ignorant; if they don't have to rely on Imams for instruction, most people would reject radical Islam. \_ Except the 9/11 suicide bombers, who were on the whole well-educated and well-off. \_ ... i.e., "most." \_ Sounds just like the Catholic Crusaders. |
| 2006/6/30 [Reference/Religion] UID:43538 Activity:nil |
6/30 "Youths" Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1130 |
| 2006/6/26-28 [Reference/Religion] UID:43496 Activity:nil |
6/25 Why is it that in many depictions of Hindu deities, they are portrayed
with blue, green, or purple skin? Is it sort of like how Christian
icons have halos?
\_ that is why people think these Hindu and Christian Gods were Aliens
visiting earth back then.
\- deities have canonical representations. this doesnt just
apply to skin color but also clothing details, pose, what they
are holding, what animal they will be pictured with etc.
the "standard blue god" is krishna, which is an avatar of
vishnu [other vishnu forms will not be blue/black]. krishna
actually means dark. however, "neel kantha", meaning "blue
throat" revers to shiva [who will occasionally be shown with
a blue throat, in reference to a story where he was asked to
drink some poison as a favor and stored it in his throat].
neelkantha is also a very attractive mountain in the garwhal
himalaya ... which somewhat confusingly is more tightly bound
to vishnu in non-blue form than shiva, after whom it is named.
better analogy might be to the "hints" in pictures of christian
saints as to who if being depicted. for example if you seen an
saints as to who is being depicted. for example if you seen an
old fellow with a lion and a book, it is probably st. jerome,
the translator of the bible into latin.
\_ I'm now more confused than before. Cool though. |
| 2006/6/23-28 [Reference/Religion] UID:43485 Activity:nil |
6/23 This is beyond odd. YARN (yet another religious nutjob.)
http://home.earthlink.net/~thogmi -John
\_ Which part is "beyond odd" exactly? It seems pretty standard to me.
\_ I guess you have pretty low expectations of people :-) -John |
| 2006/6/22-26 [Reference/Religion] UID:43466 Activity:nil |
6/22 "Keeping out the Christians"
http://www.educationnext.org/20063/50.html
UC rejecting evangelical High School curricula on the most
contrived of grounds.
\_ Those grounds being "you're not teaching science".
\_ The Hoover Institution is Dubya's west-coast "brain trust".
\_ The same "contrived" grounds would preclude automatic admission of
students who attended a FSM school. The real victims here are the
students who have been used by Christian schools to spark an
argument over UC's standards.
\_ Disqualifying a book based on the quotes it uses to start
\_ Disqualifying a book based on the quotes it begins to start
chapters? Sorry, that's just contrived, even if they were
FSM quotes.
\_ Physics textbooks containing Biblical quotes? If we allow
that, what's to prevent us from having quotes saying God
defined the universal constants? I propose a Constitutional
amendment defining science as driven by testable hypotheses,
to the exclusion of religion that does not have testable
hypotheses.
\_ This is a troll, right?
\_ Verses as headers are not a reason to reject a text, but
they were mentioned in an interview w/ someone that, IIRC,
wasn't even involved in the decision, so this is really a
red herring.
\_ I like how the chart midway down doesn't compre Christian Private
\_ I like how the chart midway down doesn't compare Christian Private
to Secular Private schools, it compares Christian to Public.
\_ What do you think the comparison would show? What would it
prove? How would that affect UC's decision? |
| 2006/5/27-6/2 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:43206 Activity:nil |
5/26 Mormon Church posthumously baptizing Jewish Holocaust victims
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060526/ap_on_re_us/baptizing_the_dead |
| 2006/5/23-28 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:43166 Activity:nil |
5/23 http://70.85.161.7/forum/showthread.php?t=289073 What do jews gain from communism? It's all about power and wealth. \_ Whoever is posting these is a moronic nutjob. -dans \_ Stormfront links go away \_ Link doesn't work but there is no question that early Communists in Eastern Europe and Russia were disproportionately populated by Jews. |
| 2006/5/19-22 [Reference/Religion] UID:43115 Activity:nil |
5/19 http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060519/cm_usatoday/codenotbenign Dear motd Christians, let's all boycott the Code! \_ Oh no! I really wanted to waste $10 on a crappy movie! |
| 2006/3/31-4/2 [Reference/Religion] UID:42589 Activity:nil |
3/31 Re: prayer study. "The praying was done by members of three Christian
groups in monasteries and elsewhere -- two Catholic and one Protestant
-- who were given written prayers and the first name and initial of the
last name of the prayer subjects."
The study should be "praying for strangers doesn't work."
\_ Yeah, God can't identify people without a full last name, and it's
impossible to actually care for a stranger.
\_ Child, the Lord sees through this because they were "testing"
him. He always makes sure his doings are indistinguishable from
non-divine expectations. You fools ask for a sign, but none will
be given except the thing about Jesus resurrecting which
nobody really saw but ye of little faith despair. Though if you
had faith as small as a mustard seed you could move mountains.
Apparently nobody on Earth has even that. God bless.
\_ Do not be too proud of this theological terror that you've
constructed. -dvader
\_ Mmm. Meta-sarcasm.
\_ "Meta-Flame"
\_ That's an interesting concept. A, what, quantum process
that consumes the chemical process of flame and turns
it into something else.
\_ We care why? |
| 2006/3/30-31 [Reference/Religion] UID:42545 Activity:high |
3/30 Study: Praying Won't Affect Heart Patients: http://csua.org/u/fdi So does this mean Yahweh ignores prayers to ensure that there's no solid proof of His existence? What does Occam's Razor say about this? \_ Hello I'm George W Bush and I do not approve this message. \_ What would alarm me if I were Christian is the fact that the new pope claimed that he prayed to God that he not be selected pope. If God doesn't listen to the pope's prayers, why would he listen pope claimed that he prayed to Yahweh that he not be selected pope. If Yahweh doesn't listen to the pope's prayers, why would he listen to anyone else's? \_ Jesus asked God to take away the cup (not be crucified) from Him but also prayed to do God's will. God didnt save him from being sacrificed. God didn't answer his prayer but in a way he answered the part to do God's will. \_ The whole "God" thing is a big scam. People just don't want to \_ Jesus asked Yahweh to take away the cup (not be crucified) from Him but also prayed to do Yahweh's will. Yahweh didnt save him from being sacrificed. Yahweh didn't answer his prayer but in a way he answered the part to do Yahweh's will. \_ The whole "Yahweh" thing is a big scam. People just don't want to admit that they were suckers. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." -- Seneca \_ Ever seen the Jimmy Stwart movie Harvey? What's the difference between Harvey (the 6ft tall rabbit that only Jimmy Stewart's character can see) and Jesus? Not a whole heck of alot if you ask me \_ The difference is that Jesus is a histocial figure who is reported to have made miracles happen. Harvey is a movie character. The only question is do you believe the historical reports or not? If not, then you need to come up with a reason those reports exist in the first place. If so, then it is a question of 'how did he do it?' If it was Divine then case closed. The Divine can not be measured since it doesn't have to follow the laws of physics, science, etc and is assumed to have self-will and the power to change reality. If it was some sort of super science, hypnotism, mass halucination, etc, then how that came about needs to be explained. I'm an atheist but I have no issues with Christians or other religious types. Their business is theirs and mine is mine. The rare few who made the mistake of trying to convert me found themselves trying to answer unanswerable questions. Most are more polite than that. I find the faith-based atheists who are really more "anti-christians" than true thought derived atheists to be far more obnoxious and hateful than any Christians or other religious types. The key to all of this is that no matter what you decide for yourself, you still can't prove or disprove the existence of God through you still can't prove or disprove the existence of Yahweh through the scientific method or through pure faith. You can only make a rude ass of yourself. If everyone was simply nicer to each other the world would be a better place. So go back and ask yourself again the difference between a ficticious Hollywood character and a historical figure who is reported to have done things we can't explain 2000 years later. \_ What "reports"? there is only the bible's own word for it. \_ The bible has made mention of the locations of places once thought mythical that were found later by archaeologists. It is not so easily dismissed with a hand wave. There is truth in the bible. I'm sure there's also lies, and misunderstanding and misinterpretation as well. It was 2000 years ago and has to be understood in that context. The problem is not whether or not the bible is fairy tale or truth, but how much of each and to what degree for everything in it. --atheist \_ Examples? I know it mentions places that exist and events that happened, substantiated by evidence or other sources. That has zero to do with the miracles. \_ It says you can't outright dismiss the whole thing as fairy tales. It raises the question that if it got some things right we thought were false, then what is the explanation for the rest? I already said, it could be anything from outright lies to the Divine, alien super science or simply stories not originally intended to be taken literally. \_ The Bible is set in real-world locations and real-world times. That doesn't lend credibility to the mythology any more than the doings of Zeus and friends in the Iliad just because of new archaelogical information about Troy and Mycenae. Did the River Xanthus rise up against Achilles after he single-handedly choked it up with bodies of Trojans? Did Aeneas get whisked away magically by the Gods to escape death? Thousands of troops must have seen this stuff so it must be real. \_ The difference between Harvey and Jesus is that Harvey's existance isn't detailed in a book riddled with inconsistencies and totally inexplicable nonsense. \_ Yes, this is exactly the sort of faith-based atheism I was talking about. \_ Except I'm not an atheist. -- pp \_ So Christianity is a competing religion then? What do you believe in? \_ I'm agnostic. I don't see a problem in believing in a God or not, but the more believing in a Yahweh or not, but the more I read the bible the more I'm convinced you have to be basically insane to believe the majority of it. And saying "well don't interpret it literally" is stupid. You're basing your entire belief system on what is written in this old book, if you had a physics book that contained 60% stuff that didn't reflect reality, would you believe any of it? \_ Grr, this is annoying. Someone rolled back the motd. Anyone, my previous answer is the same: I would neither outright accept nor dismiss the other 40%, which is all I'm saying about the bible. \_ I'm sure there are some pearls of wisdom buried in "Mein Kampf" too, but I wouldn't base my belief system on that book either. \_ How is saying the the Bible is riddled with inconsistencies and inexplicable nonsense "faith-based atheism"? If you're _actually_ an atheist and not just using it as an arguing point, then you know for yourself that there are any number of examples to support both of those claims. \_ Because you don't *know* which claims are true or false and to what degree so dismissing all of them and then being openly hostile and aggressive towards those who believe there might be something to it is no better than the people who blindly accept all of it as literal truth and push it on you. \_ Of course we know which claims are false, assuming you believe in fact-based reality. Earth is 10,000 years old? Obviously false. Noah's ark? Totally impossible nonsense. A star falling into the ocean? Can't happen either. \_ I hate it when politicians make policy decisions based on a book that was first probably oral tradition, who knows who the heck came up with it, then written in Aramaic, then some parts in Greek, throw some Hebrew and Latin in, and along we come along and translate it into the King's English, and then dumbasses say "IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, SO IT IS WRITTEN". \_ I wouldn't out right dismiss all of it but I wouldn't blindly accept it either which is all I'm saying about the bible. \_ [ this was originally in response to something totally different. it'd be nice if people were more careful with their edits ] \_ Exactly. This is why now is not the right time to be a "just leave them be" atheist. People are electing leaders not on the basis of qualifications, but because of their fanatastical beliefs. Our nation is unwilling to find Muslim ethics wanting because they're based on faith and holy books. It's impossible to have factual, logical, intelligent debates about many topics related to medical ethics because of religious assertions that CANNOT be refuted with fact, because fact is irrelevant to the discussion. These are serious problems with being a "they're not hurting anyone with their beliefs" atheist. \_ People have always elected leaders, in part, based on their religion. They said Kennedy would never get elected because he was Catholic. Yet... somehow he did. Have more _faith_ in people (heh). And careful siding too closely with so called medical ethics professionals. Some of them have made some really outlandish statements by anyone's measure. \_ Who said I was siding with "ethics professionals" I said we couldn't have intelligent debate because it's FORBIDDEN to question blind faith! You can argue logical points in a scientific manner, and perform tests to aquire better supporting facts, but in a culture where "my religion says X" completely ends all possibility of debate, something is WRONG. \_ Study is flawed. The patients didn't pray hard enough. -jesus \_ "Do not tempt the Lord your God" .. split into 3 groups? \_ "Do not tempt God" .. split into 3 groups? \_ "Do not tempt Yahweh" .. split into 3 groups? sounds unauthentic \_ Huh? \_ Where does it say that? \_ Matthew 4:7 "you shall not test the Lord your God" \_ Matthew 4:7 "you shall not test God" \_ Why the frack not? \_ God does answers prayers. Sometimes the answer is no. A chant \_ Matthew 4:7 "you shall not test Yahweh" \_ Yahweh does answers prayers. Sometimes the answer is no. A chant leading to a result is magic, not Christianity. \_ No he doesn't. What do you base that on? Give me one example of a prayer having been answered. \_ All my life I have been an athiest, but a few years ago I got so tired of shitting in the stall next to this really annoying guy I used to work with that I started to pray to the shit gods that he not have to shit at the same time as I did. Well, he stopped shitting at the same time and my prayers were answered. So now I believe in the shit god. \_ My cs170 final, for starters.... \_ As long as there are exams, prayer in schools will never be eradicated. \_ I've had prayers clearly answered. Sometimes the answer was no. Sometimes the answer has what I expected, and sometimes wasn't. It very much depends on the individual and the circumstances. Which is why it could never be reliably studied by the scientific method IMO. -emarkp \_ "Sometimes, when I cross myself before I take a free throw, my prayer is answered and I make it. Sometimes the answer is no and I miss it. Sometimes I miss it but get the rebound and get two points. It very much depends on the individual and the circumstances." Complete cop-out. If there is any real effect to prayer, that effect is measurable by scientific methods. -tom \_ I'm glad you have so much faith in the scientific method. I don't a tool to this level of worship however. If a phenomenon is inherently subjective, it can't be tested by science, which doesn't make it false, it simply can't be admitted into scientific theory. \_ If prayers can be answered, the phenomenon is not "inherently subjective." What is subjective is someone's *belief* that their prayer was answered. It is certainly the case that people believe all kinds of stuff with no evidence other than their own subjective feelings. -tom \_ You seem to think "answering prayer" means "granting a request". It doesn't. -emarkp \_ You seem to think that what goes on inside your head when you pray has some relation to external reality. It doesn't. -tom \_ Thoughts have no relation to external reality? That's a pretty impressive assertion tom. -emarkp \_ Why? Is there some difficulty with asserting that, and if so what? \_ Well, there is that whole observer problem. \_ Alright, I suppose it is a poor way to phrase it. Nevertheless, in context we are talking about assigning religious meaning to someone's thoughts. This starts to smack of schizophrenia. \_ Where'd you get your license to practice psychiatry? Do you even know what schizophrenia is? \_ Yes. But if it makes you feel better, substitute "psychosis" so we don't have to argue the details. \_ No you haven't. You've prayed for something, and it happened, or it didn't. It would have happened regardless. \_ With all due respect (i.e. none) I'm a better authority on my own experience than you are. -emarkp \_ No, you're not. Because you filter everything that you experience through your warped sense of reality. I bet you consider feelings experienced in your mind as divine contact. \_ Why is "my" sense of reality warped Mr. Anonymous Troll? -emarkp \_ Is Jesus your Friend? \_ That's my judgement of those who do what I say in my last sentence. \_ Judge not lest ye be judged! (heh, sorry, someone had to say it). \_ Everyone's sense of reality is warped. No one experiences the world as it really is b/c the brain/mind is constantly filtering and inter- preting the inputs from our senses and trying to form predictive patterns. If you have all these notions of external powers stuck in your head, you end up using those notions to evaluate your experiences, rather than assessing them objectively. In the end, it is all just a bunch of neuro- transmitters flowing between neurons. The real trick is to try praying for something that really couldn't happen without a prayer. You'll find those will never ever be "answered". Well, I guess one area where religious people get points is with other religious people. For example, being religious is a prerequisite to get with some religious girls. So, if you really like a religious girl and pray and stuff then there's a much better chance of getting with her than if you didn't. That much is probably scientifically provable :) \_ An effect indistinguishable from random chance either: a) doesn't exist b) is irrelevant Which is it? \_ what part of do "not test the Lord" do you not understand? \_ The part where "the Lord" exists, maybe? \_ what part of do "not test God" do you not understand? \_ The part where "God" exists, maybe? \_ what part of do "not test Yahweh" do you not understand? \_ The part where "Yahweh" exists, maybe? \_ I understand cop-outs perfectly well. In fact, that's the same cop-out psychics use. -tom \_ Have you ever read The Men Who Stare at Goats? \_ It's still indistinguishable from the case where there is no God and no prayers being answered. You can call is no Yahweh and no prayers being answered. You can call that a test if you want. -!pp \_ Actually, it probably means that God's install of Spam Assassin \_ Actually, it probably means that Yahweh's install of Spam Assassin is working (given he's had billions of yrs, or at least 6K yrs, to train it, I'm not surprised). Of course, this presupposes that the Universe is real and separate from God. Of course, this presupposes that the Universe is real and separate from God. from Yahweh. \_ Thank you, Bishop Berkeley. \_ How Jesus taught us to pray: Our Father in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven Give us this day our daily bread Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debters And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen. \_ Prayers are not just the asking of things. A prayer is a dialogue with the Lord, through which we build a closer relationship with him. It could be like a child talking to her father, or a friend talking to a friend. God listens to the righteous, and reveals talking to a friend. Yahweh listens to the righteous, and reveals himself to those who seek him. He hears those who cry out to him. "Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you." He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Some relevant verses: Matthew 12:38-42 Matthew 13:58 Isaiah 58:9 (read the whole of 58) \_ This debate is not about prayer-as-conversation. It is directly about the much vaunted "power of prayer" to DO things. Talking to a parent does not effect physical change unless the parent DOES something. If they DO, it's measurable. Look, either God DOES something. If they DO, it's measurable. Look, either Yahweh can be cajoled into doing things or He can't. If He can't, then everything happens according to His Plan and there is no free will. If he can, then prayer is certainly making a request, no matter how many "be it your will..." and "if it pleases you..." clauses you add to your request. \_ Essentially, what you want is to be shown a miracle. And I've already pointed out above as to why you won't see one. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean prayers aren't answered. \_ Which is why, again? Can you articulate it in simple terms? (Also, isn't it noteworthy that in the Bible, first God and (Also, isn't it noteworthy that in the Bible, first Yahweh and then Jesus gains followers by the use of direct miracles? c.f. Jesus walking on water blah blah resurrecting, c.f. burning bushes and clouds and booming heavenly voices. \_ You know about the miracles, so why are you asking for more? God is sovereign. He is not obligated to \_ The point is I know what miracles it SAYS happened, and by the Bible's own internal logic it's reasonable to expect some sort of proof, but I don't actually have any personal evidence nor do I believe the unsubstantiated reports in the Bible. \_ If you want personal evidence, why don't you start praying and seeking him then. \_ If you want personal evidence, you can start praying and seeking him. \_ So in your world, you have to first believe in it before you can get evidence for it. No, that is insane. And I've never talked to anyone who actually had personal evidence. Why don't you describe yours hmm? \_ Praying and seeking doesn't mean belief. If you want witnesses, there are plenty of books and video documentaries with testimonies, or you can find a church. Another way would be to follow Isaiah 58, and do what is righteous, or follow what Jesus teaches. for more? Yahweh is sovereign. He is not obligated to perform any miracle, or 5 miracles per century. He is not obligated to perform any miracle to prove his existence to you. And what seperates us from him is our sin; it is not the lack of or abundance of miracles. The people who saw Jesus performed miracles, also nailed him to the cross. p.s. Read the book of Esther. Did God perform any p.s. Read the book of Esther. Did Yahweh perform any miracles in the events in Esther? \_ The point is I know what miracles it SAYS happened, and by the Bible's own internal logic it's reasonable to expect some sort of proof, but I don't actually have any personal evidence nor do I believe the unsubstantiated reports in the Bible. \_ If you want personal evidence, you can start praying and seeking him. \_ So in your world, you have to first believe in it before you can get evidence for it. No, that is insane. And I've never talked to anyone who actually had personal evidence. Why don't you describe yours hmm? \_ Praying and seeking doesn't mean belief. If you want witnesses, there are plenty of books and video documentaries with testimonies, or you can find a church. Another way would be to follow Isaiah 58, and do what is righteous, or follow what Jesus teaches. \_ Praying is communicating with something I believe doesn't exist and doesn't answer... I call that insanity. The testimonies are worthless for one reason or another (name one and I'll tell you why). You also haven't answered my last question. \_ Try the other way then - i.e. Doing what is righteous. That's the harder way, but it leads to a stronger faith. \_ But that's the point. Determining what is righteous is something we can discuss rationally. (and besides, nobody agrees on what the religions really say is righteous.) Baseless faith is dumb. I have a certain faith in family and friends because I know them from past experience. I also have a more limited faith in other fellow humans, based on my dealings with them in general. I have no faith in Yahweh. \_ Yes, we have faith in God for we experienced him, and he is faithful, and good, and just, and his love endures. \_ If you "experienced" Yahweh, then you don't need faith. Which is it? (and, what was the nature of this experience? the nature of this experience? \_ When you say you have faith in someone, what does it mean? \_ It is belief; belief that they can be relied on in certain ways. In the case of Yahweh, I guess it is about belief that what is said about him is true (bible), but mainly for me the truth "how he is" is pretty much irrelevant, what guess it is about belief that what is said about him is true (bible), but mainly for me the truth "how he is" is pretty much irrelevant, what matters is if he exists in the first place. If you "experienced" him then you must not have such doubts, non? why are you averse to my _/ calling it that? It helps to distinguish the Judeo-Christian God from other possible conceptions, which may be far more interesting. \_ Yes, we have faith in God for we experienced him, and he is faithful, and good, and just, and his love endures. endures forever. \_ feel free to use Yahweh, just don't change God to Yahweh for what other people wrote. Someone was doing that. \_ YASHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUA! \_ I find your lack of faith disturbing. -dvader \_ "The force bugs are strong within him". |
| 2006/3/30-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Reference/Religion] UID:42532 Activity:high |
3/30 Southern Taiwanese girls are among the most self absorbed and
money loving people I've ever met. Every time they talk, it's about
themselves, or about money, or how they want <stick in whatever
materialistic thing here>. The word charity is completely
foreign to them. Anyone have similar experiences with other girls?
\_ When you marry a S Taiwanese woman, you marry her entire family.
You better like Oh-Ah-Jian (oyster pancake) and the food they
eat. You better like her parents. You better like the mainland
China bashing shows they watch and their Fox News equivalence
(Taiwan Independence Newspaper). You'll have to live in closed
quarters with her inlaws for an extended amount of time and cook &
eat together. You should at minimum drive a 3 year old Lexus or
better. The exception to this is if you're a doctor, then she'll
do anything for you till you get married because the culture
believes doctors are bigger than God or the President. After you
believes doctors are bigger than Yahweh or the President. After you
get married though, "all your bases belong to her". By that I mean
your income, car, house, and the way you're suppose to think.
\_ Move to some non-community property state. Then it is just a
personal backbone issue, not a legal issue enforced by law.
\_ this is so funny... and has a lot of truth in it.
\_ How is this different from libertarian geek guys whose only
interest is consumer electronics?
\_ Hey! Some of us give money to soda and public tv!
\_ I am not found of Taiwanese girls in general, but your statement
\_ fond
of "self absorbed and money loving people" applies to A LOT of
people, men or women, regardless of color of skin!
\_ There are some Taiwan girls on soda who are the exact opposite
you describe. It is just like the other person said: stereotypes
/generalizations are a very bad road to go down.
\_ My gf is from Chiayi, and she ain't bad. We are Christians
so she gives 10% to church. She is generous to others, but
too thrifty herself (not as fun in terms of enjoying life).
She says Taiwanese show their love using money, so there
may be some truth in what you are saying.
\_ Interesting. So what do YOU think? Or does she think for you?
\_ She tried, but I ain't no pushover.
\_ She tried, but I ain't no pushover. What do I think
about Southern Taiwanese girls in general? I don't
know enough of them to conclude. I have quite a few
cousinettes spread over the island, but I haven't spent
much time there so I don't know them well. I do know
Southern Taiwanese guys don't do much housework, the prime
example being my dad, but then, maybe that's because
he's the only boy in his family and he had 5 sisters.
\_ i love this logic: she is a Christians and give money
to church she attends to, which makes her a much superior
human being.
\_ I am just responding to "The word charity is completely
foreign to them". Why is it that I can't mention
Christianity without being attacked?
\_ If you were _good_ Christians you'd give everything away... but
I guess that's a part of the Bible it's no fun to follow.
\_ Commandments to specific people may not be applicable in the
general case.
\_ especially when it's inconvenient. -tom
\_ especially when they're inconvenient. -tom
\_ I am not a good Christian. Giving has little to do
\_ Giving has little to do
with "fun to follow" or not, and more to do with your
faith in the Lord, and the Lord's calling. Are
Christians required to give away everything. No. Do
some Christians give away everything? Yes. Giving
should also be joyous!
\_ You say that as if it's clearly stated thus in the Bible.
It's not. It's _your_ clear understanding of a book that
can (and is) interpreted absolutely any way people want.
I can extol the virtues incest, slavery, rape, revenge,
misogyny, just about any horrid thing you like using only
actions that are endorsed by God at some point in the Bible.
You might as well use the dictionary as your holy book.
actions that are endorsed by God at some point in the
Bible. You might as well use the dictionary as your holy
book.
\_ You are right that people can interpret things in
different ways, but that doesn't mean some of them
are not wrong. Even in the bible itself,
you have Satan and the Pharisees interpreting the bible
one way, and Jesus "interpreting" it a different way.
\_ But we can't know which interpretation is right.
It is basically useless. It's one thing to have
Yahweh/Yashua him/themselves clarifying stuff
(albeit in a cryptic, impatient, and irritated
fashion... what is up with that anyway, it's
his/their own damn fault people get it wrong)
or to have the literal voice of God or supposed
deputies (why do the old testament people blindly
accept that some being is an "angel of the Lord"
anyway? It's not like they have any kind of
authentication or digital signing of divine
communications). But no, in all of modern times
these fantastical communications, on which all
of the religion is ultimately supposed to have
been founded, are completely absent. Basically
if Yahweh gave a shit what you think he'd say
something. If Yahweh existed he would say something,
according to the character laid out in the Bible
itself. Reality does not bear it out.
\_ In what context are you meeting them? What's their socio-
economic background? Are they recent immigrants or 2nd or 3rd
gen Americans? Also, what's your sample size? Anecdotes are
amusing but statistically irrelevant.
\_ in the context of being one and being with them for many
decades, and the sample size is slightly less than 100
\_ You're a Southern Taiwanese girl? Are you as materialistic
as you make them out to be?
\_ I wonder what his opinion of Northern ones are.
\_ post pics please! |
| 2006/3/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Reference/Religion] UID:42377 Activity:moderate |
3/21 I think it's hilarious the "Human Rights Commission" in
Aghanistan wants to kill a muslim who converted to
Christianity. Even more funny is that because he
converted to Christianity he must be insane and therefore
that is his only hope for not facing a death sentence.
\_ The state-sponsored "Afghanistan Independent Human Rights
Commission," in a country where the constitution is based on Sharia.
\_ Mission: Accomplished
\_ Freedom Is On The March
\_ i'll commission YOUR human rights |
| 2006/3/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Reference/Religion] UID:42331 Activity:moderate |
3/20 religion of peace - or intolerance?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188364,00.html
\_ FREEDOM IS ON THE FUCKING MARCH
\_ bad decision on the gov.'s part. best case is they
should just exile the poor guy. it sucks that people
magically pull laws out of their ass and say
"it's Islamic law!" when it was really only in the hadith,
not the koran.
\_ let's kick some middle east butt then
\_ if you dont believe in islam, you are attacking it
and therefore you have to die.. paraphrasing the judge
so.. everyone who is not muslim must die then..
\_ that explains the 99% muslim rate in afghanistan.
\_they maintain a 1% hindu population in order
to maintain their shooting skills
\_ They'll get what's coming to them after we've exploited
all their countries' natural resources (e.g., oil)
- passive aggressive man
\_ the liberal view is to just wipe them out first
and then take their oil freely?
\_ Mission Accomplished!
\_ From the BBC version:
"The editor of a women's rights magazine was convicted of insulting
Islam and sentenced to death last year - but was later released
after an apology and heavy international pressure."
Expect a similar result here. Executing apostates would
significantly undermine Karzai. |
| 2006/3/20-21 [Reference/Religion] UID:42326 Activity:high |
3/20 Hey tom, we've already established that you think of yourself as
omnipotent. Do you also believe yourself to be infallible? I'm
thinking I may want to include you as an NPC if I ever run an RP
campaign again, and am trying to establish if the tom NPC would be a
god or `just' a demi-god. TIA. -dans
\_ He could play Tiamat, sure.
\_ First, you may want to investigate the difference between
"omnipotent" and "omniscient."
Second, get a fuckin' life. Really. -tom
\_ don't forget, tom is also omnipresent. he may be omnivorous too.
\_ I feel like the rest of us should be paying you two for the
entertainment you're providing.
\_ It was entertaining for a while but it's getting old.
dans has proven that he's as petty as the person he used to
know. tom on the other hand has shown a lot of restraints,
without lashing out and rambling. For crying out loud,
the incident was many years ago. People change. Move on.
\_ Getting old like yermom? Look, it's the motd. If you want
something new and original, why read a text file edited
by the same group of old, grouchy alumni for years and
years? If on the other hand you want decades of yermom
jokes, political trolls and insane rants it's nice to have
something that never changes.
\_ listen you smart ass. I do read other sources for
entertainment, like http://FauxNews.com. But that gets old too
\_ Aaawwwwww. Are we not entertaining you enough? You
want more boob pics? Flame wars about text editors?
What?
\_ Ah, thanks for the correction. One tends to make silly errors
of that sort when posting at 5 AM. Mea culpa. While I've got
your ear, perhaps you could tell me in your all-knowing wisdom,
what constitutes a life? I thought I was doing reasonably for
myself, what with a circle of wonderful friends, a fantastic SO,
a busy calendar, and work I love, but, apparently, I am mistaken.
Please tell me oh wise tom, what must one do to have a life?
Also, you never answered my question, do you think you're
infallible? -dans
\_ Here's a hint, dans. Life is inversely proportional to the
amount of trolls you spill. Obviously, tom has a lot more
life than you. Get a life.
\_ This runs counter to my experience. -dans
\_ I don't suppose a polite request to take this to email will
help?
\_ If you have to ask, you don't know. -tom
\_ So that's a yes? -dans |
| 2006/3/19-22 [Reference/Religion] UID:42317 Activity:nil |
3/20 Guide to the religions of comic book characters:
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html
\_ Awesome link. I had no idea there were so many jewish superheroes,
or that Captain Canuck was Mormon... |
| 2006/3/14 [Reference/Religion] UID:42224 Activity:very high |
3/14 Hail moroni
http://myspace-784.vo.llnwd.net/00565/48/79/565859784_l.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/remember-this/000_1220.jpg
-motd boob guy
\_ Her name is Moroni? Huh?
\_ Is she supposed to be a Mormon?
\_ Those are pretty small Mormons. Try these:
link:tinyurl.com/rxqq9
link:tinyurl.com/kk8ua
link:tinyurl.com/nncwu
\_ Those are micro!
http://www.divinebreasts.com/bigtits/alicia/02/Large/8.jpg
http://www.divinebreasts.com/bigtits/alicia/05/Large/1.jpg
http://www.divinebreasts.com/bigtits/alicia/01/Large/2.jpg |
| 2006/3/13-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:42221 Activity:high |
3/13 The scripture says: "Resist not evil: but whosever shall smite thee on
thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
So after 9/11, shouldn't we have fueled up some planes in SFO and
invited some Al Qaeda types aboard? Instead of attacking Afghans?
\_ No, no. You're interpreting the Bible incorrectly.
\_ Some Christians would agree with you. I would say that while I have
a right to make that decision for myself, I don't for others. Hence
there is no conflict between saying, "I personally forgive you your
transgressions against me" while simultaneously upholding the law,
or pursuing a war. -emarkp
\_ What a cop-out. "I believe in doing this personally, but
supporting government and social actions that are the opposite"
\_ No, emarkp is right. I am only in a position to forgive if
I am the person injured. I am not in a position to forgive
for the sake of the 9/11 victims and their family. For
the victims, we seek justice. Now, does invading Afghanistan
in attempt to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and other Al
Queda members the right way for justice, that is another
question.
the victims, we should seek justice. - christian socialist
\_ This implies that seeking "justice" is the default course
and doing nothing (which is in action the same as offering
forgiveness) is the alternative course of action.
\_ If someone is murdered, raped, etc., yes, society
should seek justice for the person. That's why we have
laws and the police force. Yes, justice should be
the default cause of action. And yes, sometimes
justice fails to be done, or is difficult to do.
- christian socialist
\_ You're confusing justice with a combination of
vengeance and sensible prevention.
\_ I think I have given my (or rather emarkp's)
answer to the question of "turning the other
cheek". I have no interest in arguing with you.
- christian socialist
\_ In regard to the wars, I supported the one in
Afghanistan, grudgingly, but did not like the
invasion of Iraq at all.
- christian socialist
\_ Why should we have secular laws and police? God sorts
out the good and evil, and provides for the good.
\_ No, God want us "loose the chains of injustice
\_ God wants us "loose the chains of injustice
and untie the cords of the yoke", "provide the
poor wanderer with shelter - when you see the
naked, to clothe him", "spend yourselves in behalf
of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the
oppressed". The parable of the Good Samaritan
also tells us that we cannot be apathetic.
also tells us that we must not be apathetic.
- christian socialist
\_ Is that reply in the right place? If so, your
quotes refer to personal deeds. It doesn't
follow that you need a police state to
do that stuff. Ask a libertarian.
\_ I disagree. The quotes tell us that
we have to actively fight against
injustice. Ensuring that our laws are
just and are properly enforced is part
of what we should do.
of that.
\_ Where? The "shelter" and "spend in
behalf of hungry" is philanthropy.
The other stuff is about not exploiting
workers and so forth. In any event none
of it requires setting up a police state
to force everyone to do this; the passages
tell you to do it personally. I find this
contradictory: you are the one claiming
that the "turn the other cheek" only
applies to yourself, and the nation can
justly behave opposite; yet here you
take these words and say they must be
enforced upon everyone.
\_ sorry, but I fail to see what
you are trying to argue about.
also, why do you keep bringing
up "police state"?
\_ heh, you disagreed last time.
this subthread is about the need
for secular laws and police to
enforce them. this is in response
to your claim that we should seek
justice against people who commit
crimes instead of forgiving them.
\_ Ok, but my beef was with
your use of your claim "God sorts
out the good and evil, ...."
as justification for not having
"secular" laws and police. I don't
see how one follows from the
other. And I think your claim
and your use of it as justification
showed that you misunderstood
the bible, which is what I was
pointing out with my Isaiah
quotes.
quotes. As for whether our
current laws and police force
can or should be thrown away,
my answer is "why?". Instead,
as Christians, we should make
sure they are just.
\_ Well, it's just that
"turn the other cheek" taken
far enough would obviate the
need for punishment of crime.
Also, OT quotes don't always
jibe with NT Jesusisms.
\_ If you want NT, there's the
Good Samaritan which I
mentioned above.
\_ The Koran had something similar. I don't know why Christians
automatically assumes that they got the monopoly on all the good
virtues while neither the Bible nor Koran can control those fanatics
who slaughters innocents in the name of God.
\_ I agree with you, except that I take issue with the claim that
turning the other cheek is a "virtue".
\_ Depends. Would you take a nation to war over some tiny
sleight? If not, why not? Isn't that turning the other
cheek? If someone scratched your car in a parking lot,
shouldn't you just kill them on the spot? Why not? If your
kid came home from schol crying shouldn't you find out why
and then kill whoever was responsible? Why not? Getting the
point now I hope?
\_ You realize you're an idiot, I hope?
\_ Ok, guess you didn't get the point. I'm sure ad hominen
makes you much smarter than me.
\_ Sometimes when someone says something really
dumb, there's no point in responding other than
to point it out.
\_ more ad hominen. thanks.
\_ ad hominem. Are you sure you even know
what the term means?
\_ [ > 80 column comment expurgated ]
\_the best you can do is a typo slam? whatever.
how about hitting me up for violating the 80\
columns rule too? Can I get you for starting a sentence with a lower case lette\
r? I note you don't deny my claim that your entire 'point' is just personal att\
ack and that you completely fail to address my point.
[80 col. please]
how about hitting me up for violating the 80\
columns rule too? Can I get you for starting a sentence with a lower case lette\
r? I note you don't deny my claim that your entire 'point' is just personal att\
ack and that you completely fail to address my point.
\_ Uhm, yeah, you missed a 'typo' up
above. And I'm not the some person
you've been arguing with previously.
\_ the best you can do is a typo slam? whatever.
how about hitting me up for violating the 80\
columns rule too? Can I get you for starting a sentence with a lower case lette\
r? I note you don't deny my claim that your entire 'point' is just personal att\
ack and that you completely fail to address my point.
[80 col. please]
how about hitting me up for violating the 80\
columns rule too? Can I get you for starting a sentence with a lower case lette\
r? I note you don't deny my claim that your entire 'point' is just personal att\
ack and that you completely fail to address my point.
\_ I'm not the same poster you've been
arguing with. I'm not 'slamming' you,
I'm offering a correction so you don't
look like an ignorant boob that doesn't
even know how to use a spell checker.
Whatever.
\_ Spell check on the motd? You're
kidding, right? What the hell for?
The motd is often amusing and
sometimes educational, but not worth
spell checking. "Whatever".
\_ Uhm, you do know that you can
spellcheck your changes in lieu of
the whole motd, yes? Wow, I'm
beginning to see why the other guy
resorted to using 'ad hominen' so
readily with you. You know what?
You win -- be an ignorant boob;
it's your prerogative. I'm done.
\_ 1) why would I bother? 2) thanks
for the laughs 3) get over it,
its the motd, anyone anal enough
to spell check their motd
entries... well I won't resort
to personal attack.
\_ Your "points" don't relate to this scripture. You are
saying "don't grossly overreact" but presumably, in your
theoretical system, a large offense will merit a large
response, which Jesus specifically decries. I don't think
there's anything morally interesting in the cases you
list.
\_ Presumably. Or not. You're presuming. I think Jesus
was saying "don't react to petty offenses because the
*other* guy is likely to grossly over react". By not
reacting at all you don't provide the other guy with
an excuse to over react and likely kill you which was
a likely outcome in more primitive times.
\_ Personally, I think it's less relevant what Jesus
really meant than the fact the "turning the other
cheek" has been used by the leaders of Christianity
to help enslave the masses for 2000 years.
\_ No. Fear of burning hellfire and not getting into
a gold paved heaven has kept the masses in check.
\_ Well you are the one trying to say it only applies
to "slight" offenses. You pull that from your ass.
There's nothing there from which to draw that
limitation. But you feel free to invent whatever
interpretation you want to justify whatever
is convenient for your world view.
\_ I expressed my opinion. You're entitled to
yours, whatever it might be since you didn't
bother to share it.
\_ I already did. I think it means what it says.
"Resist not evil." Where do you get this
about "petty offenses"?
\_ Most of the translations say, "Do not
resist an evil person." Some say, "Do
not resist an evil person [who injures
you]." Couple this with the context
(The next passage has "Love your
enemies and pray for those who persecute
you."), and one gets a more complete
picture. Simplifying to just "Resist
not evil" (which translation did you
get that from?) may mistakenly suggest
not to resist evil even as an abstract
concept or when it is done to others.
- christian socialist
\_ KJV Matthew 5:38
"Ye have heard that it hath been said,
an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a
tooth: But I say unto you, that ye
resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn
to him the other also."
There's lots of great stuff in that
chapter that most Christians ignore.
I agree that the meaning of it is
"resist not evil [done to you]" as
opposed to, say, resisting doing evil.
\_ I think your interpretation is wrong. Emarkp's
interpretation is correct. - christian socialist
\_ You know for a fact what a guy who died 2000
years ago meant based on multiple translations
of books written after his death? Ok. you're
way smarter than me. I'm going to stick to what
I *think* he meant and not make flat out
statements of fact about what he meant. I'm glad
to know someone around here has this all worked
out as fact. Let the pope know.
\_ ah, interpretation relativism - any one
interpretation is as good as another.
If you read the whole context (5:38 - 5:42 or
the whole of 5), your interpretation don't make
sense. Also, Jesus almost always talk about
things that are fundamentally important,
whereas your interpretation is more of a
"technique". From "an eye for an eye" to
"turning the other cheek" is part of the
"from laws to grace and faith" message of
Jesus, which runs throughout the NT.
- christian socialist
\_ Relativism? No. It's ridiculous to come
here and say he *knows* not only what Jesus
_said_ but what Jesus *meant* as well.
\_ It's obvious what these words mean. I
think it's up to you to show some
reason to ascribe some different
meaning to them.
\_ Cf. the Hadith collected by Abu-Dawud: http://csua.org/u/f8v :
"When one of you becomes angry while standing, he should sit
down. If the anger leaves him, well and good; otherwise he
should lie down."
\_ In case you haven't noticed, most ppl are against the war in Iraq,
not Afghanistan...
\_ Pertinent question: are you a Xian looking for interpretation of
scripture, a non-Xian looking to understand why some Xians are for
war, or a non-Xian looking to criticize Xian support of the war?
\_ Why does that matter?
\_ Because if you're either the first or the second, this could
be an interesting thread, whereas if you're the last, this is
a waste of time.
\_ Let's say I'm 2.
\_ Then I would suggest that some Xians place more emphasis
on OT and/or the fiery evangelist portions of NT than
they do on the "Love thy neighbor" portions. It's a big
book, with justifications for everybody. |
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3/13 Isaac Hayes (Chef) quits South Park over religion:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/03/13/entertainment/e133318S62.DTL
\_ Dude, he's a Scientologist! Hah! |
| 2006/2/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Reference/Religion] UID:42001 Activity:high |
2/24 S.D. legislature passes near total abortion ban - no exception for
rape or incest.
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/abortion_rights_debate
\_ Which is consistent at least. If you believe abortion is killing a
human life, why should those be exceptions?
\_ The so-called Christians who are behind this are usually
also strongly in favor of the death penalty, so no, they don't
even get to claim consistency.
\_ Your knee is jerking. There is a difference between innocent
life and a person condemned for a capital crime.
\_ I guess Pope John Paul II must have been another misled
knee-jerk athiest who just needed a patronizing talking-to
by one of the motd's asshole rightwingers. Too bad you
missed your chance.
\_ LOL. good one.
\_ Actually, if you follow fundamentalist Christian
doctrine, there isn't. What matters is that you accept
Jesus into your heart. If you sin on earth, God (or the
devil) will punish you. It's not man's place to mete out
punishment. At least, that's what the Christers believe.
-dans
\_ sorry my friend, but that's not the case. christians
have always recognized the necessity for earthly
authorities to mete out justice. we do have a
responsibility to ensure that it is just.
- socialist christian.
\_ I have a hard time understanding how you can be a
socialist and a *fundamentalist* christian. The two
seem likely grossly incompatible philosophies. -dans
\_ what do you mean by fundamentalist christian?
and how would that be incompatible with being
a socialist?
\_ Fundamentalist Christian: an individual who
believes that G-d spoke directly to the
authors of the bible, i.e. old and new
testaments, who then transcribed His without
alteration. Consequently, Fundamentalists
believe in the literal truth of the bible, and
that it is not subject to *any* interpretation.
As jrleek suggested, Jack Chick would fit this
definition. This gives rise to contradictory
and patently absurd ideas. For example,
their are passages in the Bible that state
that hearing the voice of G-d would destroy
the frail form of any human who hears it.
Similarly, Fundamentalist Christians believe
the earth is only 3000 (5000?) years old,
which flies in the face of the geological and
fossil record, i.e. dinosaur bones were put in
the earth by G-d to test our faith. Socialism
simply is not compatible with this literal
interpretation. Clearly, Mormons do not fit
this definition since they believe in the Book
of Mormon. One might posit Fundamentalist
Mormons who believe the literal truth of
all three books, but I have not ever heard
of someone who follows such a belief. -dans
\_ There are so many things about this post
that are stupid, and I wouldn't even know
where to begin pointing it out. Since
you've acutally chosen to sign your name
to your idiocy, I'll just let it stand.
\_ I take it by your lack of a counter
argument and swift resort to ad hominem
attack that you find my post offensive,
but correct. And you are correct, Many
things that Fundamentalist Christians
believe are stupid. -dans
\_ My friend, according to the Bible, the
early Christians do not own any possessions
and shared everything they had. You may
also be aware of the Bible, both the Old and
New Testaments, teaching us to take care
of the widows and the orphans, to help
the poor and the aliens, to forgive the
debts of others, and so on. There are
also mentions of not worrying about
accumulating earthly wealth, being rich
making it difficult to get into heaven,
trusting in the Lord to provide your
daily needs on a day to day basis (eg.
mannah while in the wilderness), etc.
There are also things like bringing the
Israelites out of slavery in Egypt,
Jesus admonishing the corrupted religious
leaders (Pharisees, etc.), Jesus including
all in his salvation, bringing the gospel
to the samaritans, greeks, romans,
ethiopians, eunuchs, slaves, peoples to
the end of the earth, all to be included
in his church as one, as brothers and
sisters.
\_ My friend, the bible also teaches that
you should be honest in your dealings.
If you believe in its teachings, why do
you argue in bad faith by presenting such
a one-sided, saccharine sweet description
of exclusively noble teachings from the
bible? Afterall, lies of omission are
still lies. What about the myriad of
truly atrocious practices that the bible
explicitly permits when read literally?
Nice fluffy things like owning slaves
and stonings in the public market place?
Treating the bible literally means you
don't get to pick and choose which
testament and teachings you do or don't
follow. As a lark, why don't you attend
the next local IWW meeting and suggest
that owning slaves would really advance
the cause of socialism, see how that goes
over and report back to us. -dans
\_ I think the problem is your narrow definition
of fundamentalist christian. You seem to
think it means "Jack Chick" -jrleek
\_ Google "liberation theology."
\_ Actually that's the fun part. The law declares life begins at
fertilization. So if you see a pregnant woman drinking, smoking,
taking drugs or engaging in behavior that may endanger the
pregnancy, can she be arrested for child endangerment? If she
she miscarriages, is that manslaughter? Fun, happy thoughts.
\_ Why stop there? Eating fatty foods, not taking enough niacin.
\_ No. See Section 4, the act explicitly exempts the mother
from liability.
\_ OK, but doesn't Roe v. Wade make abortions legal and doesn't that
have precedence? (I don't know the details of law-making, which
is why I'm asking.)
\_ Roe v. Wade was a crappy decision based on crappy law making
from the bench. If anyone was serious about making abortion
truly legal someone would've made a constitutional amendment
regarding everyone's right to their own body, medical info, etc.
\_ $20 says you weren't even born when Roe v. Wade was decided.
Your vast leaps of logic would be amusing if they didn't give
of such a stink. -dans
\_ Get your $20 out.
\_ Sign your posts. So you attended Cal before 1991? Not
many folks that old on the motd. -dans
\_ Roe is no longer controlling on abortion. It has been largely
superceded by Casey, 505 US 833 (1992). Under Casey one looks
at whether the regulation is pre or post viability to determine
constitutionality.
1. If the regulation is pre-viability, then it is only invalid
if it imposes an "undue burden" (ie it is not possible to
get an abortion.)
2. If the regulation is post-viability, then it is only invalid
if it does not contain a health exception. ("Subsequent to
viablity, the State [may] ... proscribe abortion except where
it is necessary ... for the preservation of the life or health
of the woman." - which is basically the same as in Roe, but
note that this does not explicitly require the state to make
an exception for rape or incest.)
of the woman." - which is basically the same as in Roe)
SD has done something very interesting. Section 4 contains the
health exception, as required under Casey. Section 1 attempts
to get into Casey prong 2 by defining post-viability as starting
at the moment of conception. It is unlikely that this definition
will be accepted b/c Casey strongly suggests that viability can
be advanced to a "point somewhat earlier" than the 24 weeks in
Roe. The earliest that even this ct is probably willing to go is
16 weeks (20 weeks from Webster - generally accepted 4 week error
re date of conception).
The SD Legislature seems to expect this as shown by the sever-
ability provision in Section 10 and the reinstatement provision
in Section 11.
[ Yes I know that Alito dissented in Casey, but it was based on
the sufficiency of the challenger's evid re undue burden not
on the underlying law, therefore I doubt that he would vote
to reverse ]
16 weeks (20 weeks from Webster - 4 week error). [ Yes I know
that Alito dissented in Casey, but it was largely based on the
sufficiency of the challenger's evid re undue burden not on the
underlying law ] |
| 2006/2/15-16 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:41866 Activity:low |
2/15 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060215/od_nm/germany_confession_dc Forgive me, Father, for I have guns... German people are weird. Why is that? \_ "... church rules governing confession prevented him from revealing the man's identity." Hmm, church rules are above law, okay. \_ Attorney client privilege is not codified in many countries, yet it's usually accepted as a reason for not divulging information. Or a journalist protecting his sources? Even if it is not a legally valid reason, there is still precedent for it; if the police really want to know something, they can always have a subpoena issued; it is then your choice as to whether you will respect the subpoena or suffer the consequences. -John \_ Actually, the privilege of a priest to refuse to divulge confidential information and the privilege of a penitent to prevent the priest from divulging confidential infor- mation have a long history of acceptance at common law. Many states, including CA, have codified these privileges in their evidence codes. In CA the privileges are codifed in Cal. Evid. Code Sec 1030-1034. |
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2/14 Mormons Heavier, study at BYU finds
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_he_me/mormons_heavier
Well, emarkp?
\_ can you blame them for being more prosperous and satisfied in life?
\_ Hi troll! You want to talk to me by name, sign yours. I have email
as well. -emarkp |
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