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2012/12/8-30 [Industry/Jobs] UID:54551 Activity:nil
12/8    http://s3.amazonaws.com/engine-advocacy/TechReport_LoRes.pdf
        According to this report, 28.8% of the jobs in the
        Sunnyvale-San Jose-Santa Clara area are considered IT. Is this
        bullshit or what? What about all the restaurants, cleaning,
        retail, and a shitload of other non-IT jobs in the area?
        Just walk around Santa Clara, a bunch of people there are
        NOT in the IT business. I call this report bullshit.
        \_ This must be the first time anybody ever made up bullshit
           in a report before.
        \_ 1. It says 28.8% in High-Tech, not IT.
           \_ This must be the first time anybody ever made up bullshit
              *about* a report before.
              1. The report says 28.8% in High-Tech, not IT.
              2. Read "Appendix 1: Defining High-Tech".
              --- !OP
              \_ still bullshit
                 \_ I am pretty sure their methodology means that everyone
                    who works for Google, Apple and Intel count as High-
                    Tech workers. So probably not bullshit.
                    \_ right, there are tons of non-tech workers (contractors)
                       at these companies. There are tons of amigos in the
                       San Jose area that are NOT exactly coding, they
                       shouldn't be counted as tech workers.
                       \_ It depends what you're trying to measure.  If your
                          question is "how much impact do tech companies have
                          on the economy", then Google janitors totally count
                          (and McDonald's sysadmins don't).
                          \_ Agreed.  That's exactly what this report intends
                             to assess -- all workers in high-tech industries,
                             not high-tech workers in all industries.  --- !OP
                          \_ my last response to you: this report is really
                             written with Silicon Valley bias that makes
                             Silicon Valley look favorable so that people
                             who don't know any better think it is 29%
                             tech workers with avg pay of 170K, which I
                             will say for the last time-- BULLSHIT.
                                -not anywhere near 170K and the majority
                                 of my non-coworkers are NOT high tech
                                 \_ Are you a coder or sysadmin? Are you
                                    working in Silicon Valley? Do you have
                                    at least 7 years of experience? If you
                                    can say yes to all three, you should be
                                    making pretty close to $170k. How much
                                    do you make? Then again you seem to
                                    believe that 29% is a majority, so you
                                    are probably paid what you are worth.
                                    \_ URL of a trustworthy salary survey site
                                       showing avg $170k/yr for coder or sysadm
                                       with 7yrs of experience please?
                                       \_ http://tinyurl.com/ckoqaep
                                          "San Jose had far and away the richest
                                           annual average wage, at $144,828..."
                                         Let me follow up and say that I think that
                                         it is really more like $150k, not $170k
                                         and that is total compensation, not just
                                         salary.
                                         Let me follow up and say that I think
                                         tha it is really more like $150k, not
                                         $170k and that is total compensation,
                                         not just salary.
                                         \_ Would that average have been skewed
                                            by the hugh compensations for the
                                            C-level execs in the Bay Area?
                                            \_ No, I don't think so. Managers are
                                               in a different BLS category. I am
                                               pretty sure the primary source is
                                               the BLS.
                                            \_ No, I don't think so. Managers
                                               are in a different BLS category.
                                               I am pretty sure the primary
                                               source is the BLS.
                             \_ Stop whining just because you failed Reading
                                Comprehension.
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