4/9     Hey Silicon Valley people. What are the streets you hate the most in the
        valley? I've found some to be just completely idiotic in design.
        Lawrence Expressway: .
        Great America Pkwy: .
        El Camino Real: .
        \- without a doubt 237 -> 101north exchange. the crazy lanes on
           lawrence expy is up there tho. oh the foothill-freeeeeemont
           exchange is also kinda fucked up. there is fucked up stuff by
           the airport, but i suppose that is understandable.
           \_ Actually, San Jose is about the most fucked up airport I've
              ever seen in my life.  I hate flying in/out of there.  --PM
                \_ Driving around the San Jose airport is craaaaazy ... You
                   think you are close because you can see the RUNWAY but
                   you still have to drive around for miles before you actually
                   get there ...
                   \_ What else would you expect?  For them to let you
                      through the fence at the back so you can drive across
                      the runways to the terminal?  It's big and you have to
                      come in the front -- there's nothing crazy about that.
                      \_ I'd prefer they land a helicopter in my drive way
                         and take me straight to my private jet.
        \_ All of them.  Commuting to the valley sucks.
           \_ I used to think so, but then I spent a quarter at UCLA and
              realized that commuting in the Valley is not actually that
              bad.
        \ Lets not forget the whole 101-85 exchange. Though the 280 -85
              \_ It's just a different form of Hell from driving in LA.  It is
                 still bad.  If I chopped your arm off would you say it isn't
                 that bad because some other guy was going to chop off both?
                 \_ On the Internet/an anonymous forum? Of course he would.
        \ Lets not forget the whole 101-85 exchange. Though the 280-85
        \ Lets not forget the whole 101-85 exchange. Though the 280 -85
          exchange is really dangerous and just plain insane.
          \_ Yeah, I'm not sure how any civil engineer who thinks it's
             acceptable to have 6 lanes collapse into 3 within a half
             mile can get a job.
             \_ Stanford grad.
                \_ Civil engineers must be completely retarded - at least
                   the ones that work with traffic. FWIW, I do know a
                   civil engineer who got his MS at Stanford and you'd
                   be shocked he is any kind of engineer at all if you
                   met him. This is the type of guy who still goes to
                   bars and drinks Long Island Iced Teas at age 40-something.
                   No wonder his wife left him. So there you go.
                   \_ In all fairness to civil engineers, not all of them
                      are boneheaded. I would, for example, give credit to
                      the ones who design Germany's Autobahn system as
                      their roadways are extremely impressive in terms
                      of both speed and safety. The ones who work for
                      Caltrans or the people they subcontract out to,
                      on the other hand, are a bunch of morons and it
                      shows in our roadways.
                      \- as with other field [like programmers] there are
                      \- as with other fields [like programmers] there are
                         a lot of substandard people. the best civil engineers
                         are working on more complicated things [like big
                         dams, pretoleum-relating construction etc], not
                         freeway exchanges. BTW, some years ago kara
                         won the university medal and now works in
                         traffic models:
                         dams, petroleum-relating construction etc], not
                         freeway exchanges. BTW, Kara who is a CE working
                         on traffic models, won the University Medal some
                         yrs ago:
                         http://www.ce.utexas.edu/prof/kockelman
                         berkeley CE >> 'Fraud. Berkeley CE probably
                         (I dont know if she drinks Long Islands. She does
                         bungee jump.)
                         Berkeley CE >> 'Fraud. Berkeley CE probably
                         best in the world.