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9/20    This couldn't possibly go wrong
        http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/nyregion/18mbrfs-REEF.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
        (dumping subway cars to create artificial reefs)
        \_ This is a good example of how the carbon credit system is kind of
           a scam at this point; there's no regulation, so companies can get
           paid "carbon credit" money for dumping iron in the ocean because
           it might encourage plankton growth, and other sorts of questionable
           tactics.  -tom
           \_ Dumping iron filing rust did indeed create a plankton bloom in
              iron-poor areas.  The advantage with plankton is that when they
              die, they sink to the bottom, sequestering away the carbon.
              Unfortunately, who knows what else it might cause.  Oh, and of
              course methane and water vapor are far worse than CO2.
              \_ Well, that's the thing; the things done in the name of
                 carbon reduction haven't necessarily been researched in terms
                 of the entire cost/benefit.  Yet companies can get money
                 for doing environmentally dubious things.  -tom
           \_ Actually, dumping iron filing rust did indeed create a plankton
              bloom in iron-poor areas.  The advantage with plankton is that
              when they die, they sink to the bottom, sequestering away the
              carbon.  Unfortunately, who knows what else it might cause.  Oh,
              and of course methane and water vapor are far worse than CO2.
        \_ It worked great with tires!
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www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/nyregion/18mbrfs-REEF.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
New Jersey will ask New York for 600 decommissioned subway cars to be sunk off the coast to create artificial reefs to attract fish, lobsters and other marine life, New Jersey environmental officials said yesterday. New Jersey, which has the East Coasts largest artificial reef complex, stopped accepting subway cars in 2003 after environmentalists raised concerns that the cars might leach high levels of asbestos as they disintegrated. But New Jerseys environmental protection commissioner, Lisa P Jackson, wrote in a staff memo yesterday that studies conducted by federal agencies and by other states that have sunk subway cars satisfied her that asbestos did not pose a serious threat. Cindy Zipf, the executive director of Clean Ocean Action, a critic of the subway plan, said yesterday that she hoped New Jersey officials would ask for the subway cars with the least amount of asbestos. Tips To find reference information about the words used in this article, double-click on any word, phrase or name. A new window will open with a dictionary definition or encyclopedia entry.