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7/8 Just a reminder that it was USA and USSR divided the Korea.
China had nothing to do with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea
A little historical fact that is unknown to most of Americans:
1. Foreign minister at the time, Zhou EnLai of PRC, via India,
warned USA about not cross the 38th parallel or PRC would have no
choice but defend itself. US Army decided to go all the way. Mind
you that at the time, US does not recognize the government in Beijing
as legitiment representitive of China. There was geniune fear among
Chinese that US would use this opportunity to get involved and perhaps
restore the Nationalist government.
2. Historical documents from China reveal the fact that China (yes,
across the Yalu river) was continuously being bombed by Americans.
At the time, many thought it was the prelude to American invasion.
Korean War, from China side, was more of a war of self-defence than
an ideological war. Unfortuntely, American never see this conflict
outside its "Communist" lens. The sad thing is, American still view
the world using this kind of broad-brush, jus that the lens has
switched from "Communist" to "Terrorism."
\_ Self-defense? What a silly chicom troll.
\_ US acrossed the 38th parallel first. US could of driven
N.Koreans out of South Korea and stopped there. But
McArthur decided to go all the way. We all know now that at
the time, his intension was going to Beijing. You can't say
Beijing was paranoid because its fear turned out to be true.
\_ Yes, after nearly being driven off the peninsula by invading,
Chinese & Soviet-supported North Korean hordes. Good troll,
Have a troll snack! -John
\_ N.Korea attacked S.Korea without (Communist) Chinese's
knowledge. At the time, Mao Zetong was busy preparing
for invasion of Taiwan. last thing Communist Chinese want
was draw any excuse for US involvement.
\_ Maybe because they were sending several hundred thousand guys
across the Yalu (including many "volunteers" before the PRC was
officially involved) and allowing massive amounts of supplies to
enter N. Korea. Silly chicom troll. -John
\_ The bombing taken place before China gotten involved (i.e.
before million of people were send across the Chinese border).
When I read those documents, I was suspecious it was a Communist
propaganda myself. Then, 20 some years later, I saw the same
tactic used in Vietnam. It does seems that this is
a common practice of USA to escalate the war. Few tend to know
the fact that US forces were bombing China/Vietnam. When
China/Vietnam respond to such hostile act, US President can
turn to congress and ask for proper "response" as if US was
being unfairly provoked.
\_ Good troll, another troll snack! Next week we move on to
Adult Troll-Gro. -John
\_ I don't see this as a troll, merely stating an
opinion that many people do not want to hear.
1) US did not recognize China as a legitimate
government at the time.
2) China has warned NK not to attack the south,
because the US will get involved and the Soviets will
not back them. But NK choose to listen to the Soviets
instead. And sure enough the soviets chickened out.
3) China does not want a conflict on the Korean
peninsula because it wants to focus on Taiwan. Having
US entering from the North and engaged in a conflict
would give substantial advantage for Taiwan to attack
from the south.
4) McArthur has stated more than once that he will
chase NK (terrorists using current terminology)
across the border, if necessary.
5) Factor all these into consideration, it became
clear it is in China's best interest to be
"PREEMPTIVE" about the war and make sure it doesn't
get to its borders. So it decided to get involved.
The "voluntary army" is just a cover.
6) The Korean war, and then the Vietnam war, is
basically how the international community, especially
the US, came to recognize China as a legitimate
government. It really take WARS to establish
yourself, like the wars we've fought with Mexico.
(yeah, we did fight the Mexicans, imagine that huh?)
If you tell me US have no intention of aiding Taiwan
and stop once they captured the NK leaders inside
China territory, or think the US would not have done
the same if the situation is reversed. You are even
a bigger troll. ;) -chiry
\_ At least we're agreed about the "voluntary army" being
a cover for PRC involvement in the Korean War. Now we
need to get you to realize that PRC could have defused
tensions by not allowing the North Koreans to retreat into
China to begin with. After that, we'll work on the party
line about pre-emption being the PRC's only means of
avoiding invasion by MacArthur. --erikred |
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| en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea Though elections were scheduled, the two superpowers backed different leaders and two states were effectively established, each of which claimed sovereignty over the whole Korean peninsula. The three powers declared that they, "mindful of the enslavement of the people of Korea are determined that in due course Korea shall become free and independent." For some Korean nationalists who wanted immediate independence, the phrase "in due course" was cause for dismay. Roosevelt may have proposed to Stalin that 30 or 40 years elapse before full Korean independence; Stalin demurred, saying that a shorter period of time would be desirable. In any case, discussion of Korea among the Allies would not resume until victory over Japan was nearly imminent. With the war's end in sight in August 1945, there was still no consensus on Korea's fate. With no American troops on the peninsula and Soviet forces fast approaching, the US realized it had to act quickly or risk the whole country being occupied by the Soviet Union, which it feared might lead to a Soviet occupation of Japan. The Soviet forces would arrive in Korea before the American forces, but they occupied only the northern part of the peninsula, halting their advance at the 38th parallel, which was in keeping with their agreement with the United States. Russia had discussed sharing Korea along the same parallel; Rusk later said that had he known, he would have chosen a different line. Regardless, the decision was hastily written into General Order Number One for the administration of postwar Japan. Yo Un Hyong, a moderate left-wing politician, agreed to take over. He was in charge of preparing the creation of a new country and worked hard to build governmental structures. The foundation of a modern Korean state took place just three weeks after Japan's capitulation. The government was predominantly left wing, caused in part by the many resistance fighters oriented towards communism. Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea" sent a delegation with three interpreters, but he refused to meet with them. With their focus overwhelmingly being on Japan, the American military authorities paid much less attention to Korea and soldiers generally did not want to be assigned there. While Japan was put under the administration of civilians, Korea was placed under the direct administration of military units. officials then serving under the Japanese authorities remained in their positions. The US occupation authorities in southern Korea viewed the self-proclaimed government as a communist insurgency and refused to recognize the "Provisional Government". Syngman Rhee, who moved back to Korea after decades of exile in the US, was considered an acceptable candidate to provisionally lead the country since he was considered friendly to the US. Under Rhee, the southern government conducted a number of campaigns aimed ostensibly at "removing communism" but that in reality targeted anyone who opposed his rule. Over the course of the next few years, over 100,000 people would lose their lives in these campaigns. edit In the North In August 1945 the Soviet Army established the Soviet Civil Authority to rule the country until a domestic regime, friendly to the USSR, could be established. Provisional committees were set up across the country putting Communists into key positions. In March 1946 land reform was instituted as the land from Japanese land owners was divided and handed over to poor farmers. This was very popular with the farmers, but caused many collaborators and former landowners to flee to the south. The economic situation was as difficult in the north as it was in the south, as the Japanese had concentrated agriculture in the south and heavy industry in the north. Conflicts and power struggles at the top levels of government were mostly hidden in the north. At the local levels, people's committees openly attacked collaborators and some landlords, confiscating much of their land and possessions. As a consequence many unfavorable people disappeared or were assassinated. edit Establishment of two Koreas With mistrust growing rapidly between the formerly allied United States and Soviet Union, no agreement was reached on how to reconcile the competing provisional governments. Syngman Rhee, who had called for partial elections in the south to consolidate his power as early as 1947, was elected, though left-wing parties boycotted the election. Widespread corruption was reported in the elections and the Republic of Korea began life without a great deal of legitimacy. This division of Korea, after more than a millenium of being unified, was seen as unacceptable and temporary by both regimes. From 1948 until the start of the civil war on June 25, 1950, the armed forces of each side engaged in a series of bloody conflicts along the border. Korean War and effectively making the division permanent. An armistice was signed ending hostilities and the two sides agreed to create a three-mile wide buffer zone between the states, where nobody would enter. Korean reunification North and South Korea have never signed a formal peace treaty and thus are still officially at war; South Korea's government came to be dominated by its military and a relative peace was punctuated by border skirmishes and assassination attempts. Unification Flag, representing Korea at international sporting events. The South provides the North with significant aid and cooperative economic ventures, and the two governments have cooperated in organizing meetings of separated family members and limited tourism of North Korean sites. However, the two states still do not recognize each other, and the Sunshine Policy remains controversial in South Korea. |