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6/6     I just read an old-ish Economist article about how a lot of US gas
        is actually E10 or E20--10-20% ethanol "gasohol".  I noticed that,
        while our (European) gas is usually 95-100 octane, US gas seems to
        be 87-93ish.  I don't think we get so much ethanol additive here--is
        the lower US octane count related to ethanol content of gas?  (I'm not
        very knowledgeable about this sort of chemistry, so this may be a
        stupid question.)  -John
        \_ http://www.ducatimeccanica.com/gas.html
           http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/webtemp3.cfm?dept=3&id=2049
        \_ How much are you paying for gas in Europe? And why do you say "we"?
           Aren't you as much an American as everyone else on motd is?
           \_ perhaps he meant "We, people in Europe,".  Why are people so
              damn touchy about the word "we"?  Sometimes it is just meant
              as a factual group-identification, not as some divisive
              statement of politics/ethnicity/whatever.  Jeesh. -phuqm
           \_ "We" as in I'm a dual citizen, relax.  And I always thought
              Cal students were a pretty mixed bag, citizenship-wise.  "We"
              (.ch) have some of the cheapest gas in Europe--ca. 1.50 CHF per
              liter, do the math.  UK is probably most expensive, at about
              twice that (ca. 1 GBP/liter, last I checked.)  -John
              \_ What's "ca."?
                 \_ Seriously?  Wow.  Who's teaching these kids.  It's
                    an abbreviation for "circa" meaning "about, around,
                    approximately".  Seriously, this is like asking "what
                    does & stand for?"...
                    \_ What does &...
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home by Scott Parkhurst from Popular Hot Rodding January 1998 It all comes down to fuel. You can build the hottest, most throw-down thu mpin big block that ever existed, but its gotta have good gas. What separates the killer stuff for your NMCA Pr o-Streeter from the slag your lawnmower barely runs on? After consulting experts in the field, we decided to check into the various street fuels available, various types and grades of octane booster, aviation gasolin e (AvGas), and racing fuels. By comparing the different options availabl e to you, it may be easier to choose the best grade for your ride. Octane is a measurement of a fuels resistance to ignition. Ideally, the air/fuel mixture will ignite at the proper time a nd burn smoothly through the power stroke. The idea is, one powerful com bustion of better than several. Whe n you can precisely control the point at which the fuel will ignite, max imum performance of the engine can be achieved, and power-robbing knock and ping will be eliminated. Knock and ping are a result of abnormal ign ition, or multiple flame fronts colliding within the combustion chamber during the compression stroke. All reputable fuel manufacturers determine the octane rating of their gas oline in the research lab using a special, dedicated single cylinder eng ine. Comparing the gasoline to a series of standard reference fuels in t he test engine results in either a research octane number (RON) or a mot or octane number (MON) depending on a set of operating conditions. The R ON is determined with the test engine operating at 600rpm, at standard b arometric pressure, and the intake air temperature set at 125 degrees Fa hrenheit. RON is primarily used to address part-throttle knock and ping problems. The MON addresses wide open throttle operation and is determin ed with the test engine spinning at 900rpm, also at standard barometric pressure, and the intake air temperature pumped up to 300 degrees. The best predictor of a fuels performance in a street/strip machine is t he Anti-Knock Index (AKI). This is simply the average of the RON and MON numbers, or (RON+MON)/2. Most all octane ratings posted at the pumps ar e determined by this AKI formula, and are the minimum values you could e xpect to see. The minimum octane requirement of your engine is determine d by several variables besides the compression ratio. The engine and cyl inder head configuration, air/fuel mixture, timing, coolant temperature, atmospheric pressure, relative humidity, and ambient air temperature wi ll also affect the octane required to make your mill produce maximum pow er. The burn rate of a fuel is a measurement of the time required for complet e combustion of the air/fuel mixture. The notion that octane ratings aff ect the burn rate of fuel is about 180-degrees from reality. Burn rate i s a function of several variables, and the two are completely independen t, although there is generally a correlation between octane ratings and burn rates. To give you a good example of this, we contacted Jim Wurth from Sunoco Ra ce Fuels. He explains, "A perfect example is Sunoco Maximal, which is ou r fastest burning fuel, and coincidentally one of Sunocos highest octan e fuels at 116 (R+M)/2. A lot of Pro Stock teams rely on Maximal for tho se sub-seven second runs. When they are turning 9,000rpm or more, the fu el has to burn pretty quickly to achieve complete combustion." Octane boosters offer little help in the quest for higher octane. Most po pular street-legal octane boosters claim increases in octane ratings up to five points, and those boosters intended for off-road use only claim up to seven points. Thats a lot of octane to hope for simply by pouring an additive in a tank. Sunoco told us that before they launched their G T-100 Unleaded retail pilot program, they wanted to be sure that a 100 ( R+M)/2 octane street-legal fuel would be of value, and that enthusiasts would not be able to get the same (or better) results using an octane bo oster. Nine of the most popular retail octane boosters were put through a series of tests to determine where the consumer could get the most ban g for the buck. The test results were verified by an independent testing facility, using several brands of regular unleaded and premium gasoline s, just to make sure everything was legit. According to Mark Borosky, Vehicle Test Engineer for Sunoco, "Of the nine octane boosters tested, none showed a significant increase, and one act ually lowered the octane number of the test gasolines." Testing repeated ly showed a maximum increase in octane of 35 points by only two of the six street-legal octane boosters when the recommended treatment rate was blended with lower base 87-octane gasoline. The best the remaining four products could muster was less than a one point increase. "While clearl y no one would actually use an octane booster in a low base octane fuel, we wanted to give the manufacturers the benefit of the doubt relative t o their claims of five-to-seven point increases" explained Borosky. When tests were performed using 98 and 94-octane fuel, even the two best products from the previous tests produced a disappointing 15 to 2 point maximum increase. Those products designated for off-road use only didnt fare any better than the street-legal products. Subseque nt tests where the dosage of octane booster was doubled, tripled, and ev en quadrupled produced only minimal improvements in octane, regardless o f the base octane hum-ber of the test gas. An alternative path to octane euphoria is to blend gasolines of different octane levels yourself. Its easier than you may think, safe, and the r esults are predictable. The formula for mixing gasolines of the same typ e is pretty straightforward. When you mix a 50/50 blend of two unleaded fuels, simply average the two octane ratings to determine whats in the tank. The same generally holds true f or leaded gasolines, assuming the lead content is nearly equal. Blending a leaded fuel with unleaded, however, pushes the octane up a bit more than the math would suggest, due to the effect of the lead. Just a gram or two of lead blended into the unleaded fuel will raise the octan e number significantly. Commercial leaded racing fuels contain anywhere from a trace to six grams of lead per gallon. If you were to mix 50 perc ent 110 octane leaded fuel with 100 octane unleaded, you would actually end up with an octane number around 106 to 107. Keep in mind that even t he smallest amount of lead or leaded gasoline with unleaded, could spell the end of your catalytic converter or oxygen sensor. The same holds tr ue for using octane boosters intended for off-road use only. A word to t he wise, check for any lead content in all the additives you might mix w ith your unleaded gasoline. And check with your state emissions regulati ons for street use. We asked Sunocos Wurth about using aviation fuel in an automobile engine . Even though Sunoco is a ma jor producer of aviation fuel, this fuel is specifically blended for air craft engines. Aircraft operate under very different conditions than aut omobiles, and the fuel requirements are quite different as well. Aircraf t engines generally use very small pistons and run within a very narrow rpm range. Theres no need for transient throttle response in an airplan e because after the pilot does the initial engine run-up, the throttle i s set in one position and the rpm doesnt normally change until landing. Also, airplanes fly where the air is cold and thin, and the atmospheric pressure is low. These are not even close to the conditions your street machine will see on the ground. Also, since most piston-driven aircraft cruise at 3,000rpm or so, the burn rate of aviation gas is much too slo w for any high-performance automotive applications." Sunoco te lls us their GT PLUS 104 octane unleaded race gas is only 15-20 percent traditional gasoline, and about 85 percent additives! Actually there are about 120 different chemicals in GT PLUS. One reason it isnt street le gal is the high oxygen content. The EPA requires that the oxygen content of a street legal fuel cannot exceed 29 percent. This fuel is light in ...
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Identity Theft Prevention Consumer Affairs Steve Levy County Executive Charles A Gardner Director THE OCTANE MYTH Don't be fuelish at the pump! Tips on how to save money at the pump: For most of us who live in Suffolk county, our automobile is an essen tial part of our daily routine. Keeping our car well-maintained and oper ating efficiently is an ongoing concern. One of the most basic chores we have is going to the gas station and "filling up" the tank. The choice of which grade of gasoline to use can, at times, be confusing. In Suffol k county, there are many different grade names for gasolines being offer ed for sale. The octane levels of these gasolines range from 87 to 94. I n most gas stations, we have a choice of three different octane levels. In some stations, however, there are as many as six different grades off ered for sale. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of cars on the road today do not need a high octane gasoline to run properly and efficiently. Octa ne ratings are a measure of a gasoline's ability to resist engine knock. "Knocking" or "pinging" in an engine results from an uneven burning of the fuel-air mixture. If your car is not "knocking," using a higher octa ne fuel will do absolutely nothing for you but waste your money. The fac t is that regular unleaded gasoline, 87 octane, is the recommended fuel for most vehicles. You can determine what fuel is recommended for your v ehicle by checking your owner's manual. If you are using gasoline with an octane rating greater than 87 and y our engine is not "knocking," drop down to a lower octane gasoline. If y our engine begins to "knock," go back up to the next octane level. use t he lowest octane fuel which provides you with knock-free operation. Another myth is that use of a high octane fuel will improve fuel econ omy. The fact is that fuel economy is determined by a number of variable s, including the energy content of the fuel and the condition of your ve hicle, neither one of which have anything to do with the octane level of the fuel. In fact, two fuels of identical octane could have different e nergy content due to a difference in composition. One last myth is that the name of the grade of fuel is an indicator o f the quality or octane level of that fuel. These names should not be re lied upon when you are choosing which fuel to use. The fact is that you should always choose your gasoline by checking the octane rating on the yellow sticker on the gas pump. By so doing, you will be assured that yo u are buying the gasoline that you want and, by using the lowest octane that still provides you with knock-free operation, you can save a signif icant amount of money on your gasoline purchases. If the octane sticker is missing from the pump, or if you are concern ed about the accuracy of a posted octane level, call the bureau of weigh ts and measures in the Suffolk County Executive's Office of Consumer Aff airs at 853-5730 to register a complaint or get more information.