Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 36146
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
 
WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ
http://csua.com/feed/
2025/07/09 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
7/9     

2005/2/11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:36146 Activity:moderate
2/11    Shock and Awe. Saudi candidate says that women should
        be allowed to drive:
        http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050209-113151-9154r.htm
        \_ Only in a religion as nutty as wahabism could this persist,
           and only because they've got oil. At least it keeps the muslims
           backwards and prevents them from developing their own tech.
           \_ It was less than 100 years ago that we didn't allow women to
              vote.
              \_ True, but 85 years is a pretty long time on the human
                 time scale.
                 \_ No... no it isn't.  In the past 20 years or so things
                    have changed enough so that 85 years is a long time
                    on the human time scale, but we haven't had those 85 years
                    yet.
                    \_ Whatever.  Since the industrial revolution 85 years
                       has become a long time.
           \_ We've got plenty of fruitcakes here in the US too, it's just
              that not enough of them are in positions of power (yet?).  They
              just run the show over there.
              \_ Aren't the Mormons opposed to women driving?
2025/07/09 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
7/9     

You may also be interested in these entries...
2010/2/22-3/30 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:53722 Activity:nil
2/20    Ok serious question, NOT political.  This is straight up procedural.
        Has it been declared that we didn't find WMD in iraq? (think so).
        So why did we go into iraq (what was the gain), and if nobody really
        knows, why is nobody looking for the reason?
        \_ Political stability, military strategy (Iran), and to prevent
           Saddam from financing terrorism.
	...

	...
2008/9/23-29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:51270 Activity:moderate
9/22    "Pakistanis say suspected US drone shot down"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_drone
        One fewer friend, one more foe.
        \_ Isn't this what Obama said he'd do?
           \_ No, but why let facts get in the way.
           \_ Obama or Osama? Are we really supposed to belive that Obama said
	...
2008/8/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50864 Activity:nil
8/13    Wow, how does the kool-aid taste?
        http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/11/sitroom.01.html
         "My point is that a President Obama will have a good, strong
        dialogue-oriented relationship with Russia, where these kinds of
        situations would not occur."
        \_ Red-flavor or blue-flavor?
	...
2008/6/5-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50158 Activity:low
6/5     Rezko convicted of 16 counts of corruption
        http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/04/obama-saddened-by-rezko-verdict        Obama: "This isn't the Tony Rezko I knew."  Now was Wright the pastor
        "he knew"  Who does this guy know?
         \_ Ahh, smell the desperation.  Is this really the best you have
            right now?
        \_ Ahh, smell the desperation.  Is this really the best you have right
	...
2008/2/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:49098 Activity:nil
2/8     American Woman in Saudi Arabia receives reality check
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html
        \_ some things to notice:
           1) this is from fox news.  What do you think their angle is?
              \_ Your fox paranoia is amusing. It's not the only outlet
                 reporting it.
	...
2008/1/14-16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:48943 Activity:nil
1/14    Saudi Arabia to buy $20B weapons package (including JDAM kits) and to
        re-invest in CitiGroup.  Israel had objected to JDAM sales, but backed
        off after $30B grants secured into next decade.  USA USA USA!!!
	...
Cache (3526 bytes)
www.washtimes.com/world/20050209-113151-9154r.htm
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia A candidate in groundbreaking elections beginning here today has a plan to reduce the kingdom's dependence on foreign labo r, but it may be too radical for most of his countrymen: letting women d rive. If Saudi Arabia allowed women to drive their own cars, Suleiman Abdul lah Omar Al-Suleiman told The Washington Times yesterday, it could do aw ay with a quarter-million foreign drivers, whom he sees as a drain on th e nation's wealth and resources. The argument seems sensible enough, but since he listed his cell-phon e number in a campaign ad, he has been deluged with calls from potential voters angered at the idea. "The women-driving issue is making people n uts," he said. "You're trying to turn us into Westerners," said one caller, his ange r reverberating through the speakerphone of Mr Al-Suleiman's car. "I'm just trying to solve our problem of having too many foreign drivers. If our wives, s isters and daughters could drive themselves to work and to school, we wo uldn't need the army of drivers we depend upon now." If the callers suspect there is a hidden agenda behind Mr Al-Suleima n's proposal, they are not entirely wrong. The 45-year-old businessman, who is seeking municipal office in the k ingdom's first elections in more than 40 years, is running on a social-r eform platform that, besides letting women drive, would permit the openi ng of theaters and playhouses to help keep Saudi youth off the streets. But, he explained between phone calls as he drove through Riyadh, so great is the resistance to such ideas in Saudi Arabia that he finds the best way to promote social change is to emphasize the economic benefits. Thus, he speaks not about the rights of women, but rather of the need to reduce the traffic jams that daily clog the streets of the capital. It has been 40 years since Saudis were able to debate such issues in an election campaign, and at that time, they could vote only on the muni cipal level in a few major cities. The elections today seen at least in part as a response to US dem ands for more democracy still are limited to municipal councils, but w ill be held nationwide in three stages and will run through April. And although women are prohibited from running or voting until 2009, the elections for the first time will meet other international standards , such as using registration cards, privacy curtains and ballot boxes. Even so, many issues remain highly sensitive, and Mr Al-Suleiman has hit upon several of them in his campaign. As a result, several Saudi ne wspapers refused even to print an ad that laid out his platform and prov ided his cell-phone number. It was not until yesterday that he managed to get the ad published in the newspaper Al-Watan and the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat even then after much hesitation and hand-wringing. Social change even of the modest sort advocated by Mr Al-Suleiman has always been an uphill battle in Saudi Arabia. Religious hard-liners objected to the introduction of television in t he late 1960s, calling it the work of the devil, and 40 Saudi women were arrested in November 1990 when they took part in a protest for women's rights by driving through the streets of Riyadh. "We used to have cinema s here until the early 1980s, when the introduction of the videocassette recorder helped give religious conservatives a reason to ban them. "But many of us would like to be able to go watch a movie or play at a theater. Their version of Islam is extreme and negative, and we have t o change that."