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2004/8/25-26 [Reference/Military, ERROR, uid:33141, category id '18005#1.49174' has no name! , ] UID:33141 Activity:low
8/25    This just struck me as hilarious.  Of Max Cleland: "I tried to
        accept that letter and he [Cleland] would not give it to me.  He
        would not face me.  He kept rolling away from me.  He's quite
        mobile."
        \_ URL?
        \_ So is it true the Cleland blew himself up with his own grenade and
           didn't take any enemy fire when he got the injuries that led to his
           triple-amputation?
           \_ Not a clue, though that would be hilarious too.
              \_ Triple amputees sure are hilarious, yessirree.
                 \_ Yep, a scene out of your best B-comedy.  I can see the
                    hand of the Farrelly brothers.
           \_ Ah, apparently it was another soldier who dropped it, though
              Cleland thought it was his own grenade for many years:
              http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/7218941.htm
              \_ Wasn't Bobdole also injured by his own weapon?
                 \_ Bobdole doesn't like your tone of voice.
                 \_ According to http://bobdole.org, his upper right back and right
                    arm wounds were caused by enemy machine gun fire.
                 \_ Bobdole cannot believe that Bobdole will only be
                    remembered for schilling Viagra.
                    \- get off Bob Dole's motd.
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www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/7218941.htm
All Steve Price remembers about an explosion on a hill in Vietnam is helping a badly wounded soldier. I thought he was dead," said Price, who was an infantryman in the Marine Corps back in 1968. Three decades later Price -- now a 54-year-old resident of Batesburg-Leesville -- learned the soldier not only survived but went on to serve as head of the Veterans Administration and a US senator. "But I never had any idea it was the same person who was on the same hill where I was back in 1968." But it's also illustrative of the coincidences of life in the military, something the Midlands and the nation will reflect on when Veterans Day is celebrated Tuesday. On April 4, 1968, Price was with the Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines. Charlie Company was opening up Route 9 going into Khe Sanh, near the demilitarized zone between the then-separate North and South Vietnams, and had secured a mountaintop. Cleland, a captain in the Army Signal Corps, and his team flew by helicopter to the hill that Price and Charlie Company held to set up a radio relay tower. When the helicopter landed, Cleland and his soldiers jumped off and the helicopter immediately ascended. Price, who was digging a foxhole, thought the blast might have been an enemy mortar round. It was common for the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese to shoot at landing helicopters, Price said. David Lloyd, one of Price's buddies in Charlie Company, was among those who rushed to help. Lloyd, Price and other Marines loaded the wounded captain onto a helicopter that hauled him to a field hospital. The blast was caused by a grenade that had fallen on the ground. For years, Cleland believed he was the one who dropped the grenade, which led to the loss of his right arm and both legs. Cleland retold the story in 1999 on a History Channel program. Lloyd, who was watching the show at his home in Annapolis, Md, picked up the phone and called Cleland's office. Lloyd said the blast was caused by another soldier's grenade -- not Cleland's. Lloyd said he knew because after Cleland was loaded onto the helicopter, another soldier, who had been hit by shrapnel, was crying. Lloyd tried to console the soldier, who said he had dropped the grenade. The grenade exploded when its cotter pin had fallen out, activating the explosive, said the 57-year-old Lloyd. The soldier told Lloyd that he had straightened the pins so it would be easier to pull them when he had to throw a grenade. Lloyd's revelation, which checked out, changed Cleland's life, Cleland has written. For 30 years, Cleland had blamed himself for his injuries. Lloyd later tracked down Price and told him the story about Cleland. Price met Cleland when he came to South Carolina to attend a Labor Day rally in Charleston for US Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who was announcing his candidacy for the presidency. Lloyd had passed on the names of Price and other Marines to Cleland. The next day, during his speech endorsing Kerry, Cleland spotted Price in the audience. Cleland paused and then told the crowd and viewers watching the rally on C-SPAN that one of the members of a team of "wonderful Marines" who had saved his life was present. He survived Vietnam, returned home, went to college, married and has raised three children. Price shrugs off that there's anything special about his link to Cleland on that bloody day in 1968. Maybe, but there's another coincidence in Price's life linked to that day in 1968. Price's oldest son is a captain in a Florida Army National Guard Signal Battalion. It's the same rank and job that Cleland had in the Army.
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