Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 25144
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2002/6/19 [Health, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:25144 Activity:kinda low
6/18    I think all you trolls and flamers should read this and take
        it to heart:
        http://www.firelily.com/support/depression/trolls.html
        \_ Not that valid points are not potentially being made, but it's
           difficult to seriously listen to someone who uses contrived
           pronouns like 'hir.'
        \_ Silly.  It isn't about self-hate.  How stupid.  'Hir' trolls are
           much different than motd trolls.  Here you're a troll for having a
           non-leftist political philosophy or not agreeing at all times with
           the RIDE BIKE USE LINUX crowd.
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About Trolls and Flamers Diane Wilson speaks from her soapbox: As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season. We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic troll characteristics: They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or behavior. They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves. I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue. I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect: The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of their feelings about themselves. Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as bad as what they see in themselves. The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in pain. The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them. What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents them from pushing those buttons. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior. In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach. Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice. If we want them to go, all we have to do is to stop feeding them. First, recognize and understand that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by ignoring them. When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages: DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS. Killfile or ignore them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own. In a more practical manner, John Timothy brings it all down to five simple rules: Don't read posts from or about abusers; If you can't resist responding, do so by email--not by posting here; If you are compelled to post a response, if you just can't stop yourself, at least do the rest of us the favor of adding the abuser's name to the subject line, so we can avoid reading that post.