10/22 Adobe is holding a College Open House next Thursday night (10/28) at
our headquarters in downtown San Jose, for those of you who are into
that new-college-grad-searching-for-job thing. More details are
posted in http://ucb.org.csua and other relevant newsgroups; E-mail me if
you have any questions. -- kahogan
\_ When are you coming on campus? I'm interested but am busy that night.
\_ Is it just me or are companies recruiting earlier?
\_ So you think this sys admin farm (CSUA) is a good place to recruit?
\_ For cheap inexperienced but enthusiastic labor, sure. Why pay
$100k+ for someone who knows what they're doing when you can have
two NCG CSUA members and have enough left over for a decent
hiring bonus to bring in the $100k+ guy after to clean up?
\_ Infosession on Nov. 11 (more details later on time and place),
interviews at career center on Nov. 16 & 17. -- kahogan
\_ As a new hire in a big ass company, how many years do I have to
spend debugging and testing before I can start doing something
interesting?
\_ 1.5 years in startups and then you'll be doing much more
interesting work at *any* company than you would otherwise
as a new college big-company-only wage slave. Day one at
any startup would be better than what you're doing now.
You might as well work for the university.
--been there, smarter now
\_ startups== lotsawork, not much pay.
\_ You're at the wrong startup. --low work, high pay
\_ most startups require a ton of work an half a
brain. after talking to people from trilogy
and lame ass startups i've found that most
of these people don't know what they're talking
about and aren't technically apt. all they know
how to do is stupid web pages and asp shit.
\_ known as "not doing proper research on your
company before signing papers". It's your own
fault if you end up at a startup like that.
\_ that is what is known as a lame startup. There
are good ones out there but you have to be
willing to look. My advice is spend a year
or two in a not so glorious job learning the
way the real world works (and why it sucks
and why a good job is a must if you want
to sane) and making contacts and then once you
have saved up some money and don't need to take
a job right away, start looking and be choosy.
Oh and if you have to convince yourself that
you won't hate a certain job, you will hate it.
\_ Totally right on with that last line. 100%
\_ I can't speak for other peoples' experience in *other* big-ass
companies, but at Adobe I was doing something interesting within
my first week. Over the two-and-a-half years since I graduated
from Cal, I've had my own big chunk of two major products
(feature-owning, from spec-writing to implementation), as well
as a part in some researchy-prototype stuff on the side. My
occasional corporate flack). -- khogan
experience hasn't been perfect, but I'm definitely happy and not
bitter (as evidenced by my willingness to come back to Cal as an
occasional corporate flack). -- kahogan
\_ Most large companies won't be like this. Like all rules
(except this rule) there are exceptions. In short, whether
you're applying to anything from IBM to http://Dinky-Startup.Com,
you must investigate during the interview process with your
potential manager/boss what they think you'll be doing on a
daily basis in the short and long term and what they think
short/long term means. For me, short term is 2 weeks. For
people used to a slower pace, short term is two years. You
must question, question, question. Questions won't offend
and will only make you look less like a NCG idiot. Just so
you know where I'm coming from, I hop from startup to
startup just to not be bored at work. I haven't noticed
that large companies pay better than startups, but in
deference to kahogan I'll grant I've nveer applied to his
company. |