Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1999:October:24 Sunday <Monday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
1999/10/24-26 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:16752 Activity:nil
10/23   Suggestions for decent mailling list and www message board software?
        The list is small but aliases aren't good enough.  Message board should
        be easy for the non-techy client-side users to use.  It's ok if it's a
        bitch to setup.  thanks
1999/10/24-26 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:16753 Activity:nil
10/23   mutt 1.0 released.
1999/10/24-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16754 Activity:high
10/23   From a C programmar who knows just enuff to be dangerous,
                                                       \_ wut r u gonna do,
                                                          nibble my bun?
        how to I convert a binary text file to plain text file?  Do
        I have to get each character one at a time, check for 0x1a, etc.
        before writing it in text?    Thanx - mtbb.
        \_ man strings.   WTF is a "binary text file" anyway?  Everything is
           in binary if you want to be anal about it and otherwise, it's
           either binary -or- text.  What are you talking about?
           \_ He's referring to text files terminated with CR/LF vs. CR,
              otherwise known as dos-tyle text and Unix-style text. To
              the original poster: try "todos"  -mogul
              the original poster: try "todos".  If that doesn't suit you,
              and you'd rather do this with C than with tr or perl, then you
              need to open the file in binary mode and do exactly what you
              propose, though you can be much more efficient by working on
              larger chunks of data before writing it out. --mogul
              \_ Just in case you're actually trying to get this done
                 rather than theorize about how to do it in C:
                 DOS -> UNIX: perl -pi -e 's/\r//g' filename
                 DOS -> UNIX: perl -pi -e 's/\r//g' filenames
                 \_ I think you mean
                    perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' filenames
                 UNIX -> DOS: perl -pi -e 's/\n/\r\n/g' filename
                 UNIX -> MAC: perl -pi -e 's/\n/\r/g' filename
                 MAC -> UNIX: perl -pi -e 's/\r/\n/g' filename
                 I'll leave the DOS to MAC conversions as an exciting
                 exercise to the reader.  --dbushong
                 \_ Will the dos to mac conversions be on the midterm?  Do I
                    have to know that stuff?
                        \-emacs dos-mode --psb
                          \_ Will *that* also be on the midterm?  Is it open
                             \_ Midterm question: Do the above conversion
                                using only nroff
                                \_ Oh come on... I thought this was supposed
                                   to be an advanced course!  What's with the
                                   baby questions?
1999/10/24-26 [Industry/Startup] UID:16755 Activity:high
10/22   Adobe is holding a College Open House next Thursday night (10/28) at
        our headquarters in downtown San Jose, for those of you who are into
        that new-college-grad-searching-for-job thing.  More details are
        posted in and other relevant newsgroups; E-mail me if
        you have any questions. -- kahogan
        \_ When are you coming on campus? I'm interested but am busy that night.
        \_ Is it just me or are companies recruiting earlier?
        \_ So you think this sys admin farm (CSUA) is a good place to recruit?
           \_ For cheap inexperienced but enthusiastic labor, sure.  Why pay
              $100k+ for someone who knows what they're doing when you can have
              two NCG CSUA members and have enough left over for a decent
              hiring bonus to bring in the $100k+ guy after to clean up?
           \_ Infosession on Nov. 11 (more details later on time and place),
              interviews at career center on Nov. 16 & 17.  -- kahogan
        \_ As a new hire in a big ass company, how many years do I have to
           spend debugging and testing before I can start doing something
                \_ 1.5 years in startups and then you'll be doing much more
                   interesting work at *any* company than you would otherwise
                   as a new college big-company-only wage slave.  Day one at
                   any startup would be better than what you're doing now.
                   You might as well work for the university.
                                --been there, smarter now
                   \_ startups== lotsawork, not much pay.
                        \_ You're at the wrong startup.  --low work, high pay
                        \_ most startups require a ton of work an half a
                           brain.  after talking to people from trilogy
                           and lame ass startups i've found that most
                           of these people don't know what they're talking
                           about and aren't technically apt.  all they know
                           how to do is stupid web pages and asp shit.
                           \_ known as "not doing proper research on your
                              company before signing papers".  It's your own
                              fault if you end up at a startup like that.
                           \_ that is what is known as a lame startup.  There
                              are good ones out there but you have to be
                              willing to look.  My advice is spend a year
                              or two in a not so glorious job learning the
                              way the real world works (and why it sucks
                              and why a good job is a must if you want
                              to sane) and making contacts and then once you
                              have saved up some money and don't need to take
                              a job right away, start looking and be choosy.
                              Oh and if you have to convince yourself that
                              you won't hate a certain job, you will hate it.
                                \_ Totally right on with that last line. 100%
          \_ I can't speak for other peoples' experience in *other* big-ass
             companies, but at Adobe I was doing something interesting within
             my first week.  Over the two-and-a-half years since I graduated
             from Cal, I've had my own big chunk of two major products
             (feature-owning, from spec-writing to implementation), as well
             as a part in some researchy-prototype stuff on the side.  My
             occasional corporate flack).  -- khogan
             experience hasn't been perfect, but I'm definitely happy and not
             bitter (as evidenced by my willingness to come back to Cal as an
             occasional corporate flack).  -- kahogan
                \_ Most large companies won't be like this.  Like all rules
                   (except this rule) there are exceptions.  In short, whether
                   you're applying to anything from IBM to http://Dinky-Startup.Com,
                   you must investigate during the interview process with your
                   potential manager/boss what they think you'll be doing on a
                   daily basis in the short and long term and what they think
                   short/long term means.  For me, short term is 2 weeks.  For
                   people used to a slower pace, short term is two years. You
                   must question, question, question.  Questions won't offend
                   and will only make you look less like a NCG idiot.  Just so
                   you know where I'm coming from, I hop from startup to
                   startup just to not be bored at work.  I haven't noticed
                   that large companies pay better than startups, but in
                   deference to kahogan I'll grant I've nveer applied to his
1999/10/24-26 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/HW] UID:16756 Activity:nil
10/22   Whats a good book on client server architecture (how-to)? Need
        something fairly basic.
        \_ how about client/server for... dummies 3rd ed?
        \_ The Linux Network Administrator's Guide by O'Reily's is pretty good.
1999/10/24-25 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16757 Activity:nil
10/21   Lesson request:  I'm on a slow network of MS computers, with a
        huge backup running and sucking up all the bandwidth.  When i try
        computer one to to large copy a file from Windows another it is
        very slow, but if i use FTP, it is very fast.  What up?  (I'm
        hoping for something a little more technical than "MS sucks").
        \_ NetBEUI!
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Network Backup Tool.
        \_ SMB sucks.
           \_ Just as an aside, isn't it called CIFS now (Common Internet
              File System)? Only M$ would believe that a piece of crap
              like SMB would make the perfect file sharing protocol over
              the internet. As if we don't have enough crap congesting the
              network. I just wish that Sun and IBM would get thier act
              together and squash M$.
                \_ HAHAHAHA -IBM couldn't squash M$ when it was an 8 man
                 company. WHat are they goning to do now that M$ has more
                 money (and manpower) than GOD?
                 \_ MS is nothing.  They're a dead struggling company holding
                    on to their last threads.  Not long from now, MS will be
                    nothing but a footnote in IBM's historical notes.
          \_ Yeah, like most microsoft originated networking protocols, SMB is
             a piece of shit.  FTP is going to be much faster.
             \_ but we want a protocol that saturates a 100bT network so that
                nobody else can use it. We must monopolize the network as
                well as the market.
                \_ SMB is a Cisco plot to sell higher end hardware.
        \_ I guess rsync doesn't exist for Winblows, huh.  How about
           faking it with a Samba box so you can use rsync? :-) -John
                \_ This will let you use MSBackup.  You need to go the other
                   way and export nfs from your 'd0ze boxes.  Either way, NT
                   and Bill Gates both suck my hot throbbing cock.
                   \_ is there a free Pc implementation of NFS?
                      \_ Yes there is one, but I don't recall its name.
                         However, all NT NFS setups I've seen were buggy,
                         slow kludges.  Your best bet, if you need real
                         network services as well as all of the NT SMB
                         crap, is *BSD/Linux running Samba and Sharity.  -John
                      \_ yes.  it's called freebsd and linux.
1999/10/24-25 [Uncategorized] UID:16758 Activity:nil 66%like:16748
10/21   Any suggestion for (mail-order) source of photographic archival
        supply (i.e. Albums, negative/slide files etc.)
        \_ B&H,
            \_ But they don't carry archival stuffs like albums.
            \_ How is Light Impression? (
1999/10/24-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:16759 Activity:low
10/23   Opportunities in SoCal for computer saavy people with Library
        interest/experience (the kind with books in it, not the kind you
        link into a program): see /csua/pub/jobs/RiversideLibrary  --dbushong
        \_ Uh, MS in Library Science? You gotta be kidding...
                \_ No.  MS in LS in hardcore.  I'm *sure* _you_ couldn't earn
                   one.  LS isn't about the Dewey Decimal system BS you learned
                   in 1st grade.
                        \_ No one is putting down MS in LS - but I doubt you'll
                           find anyone on soda other than cynthia  who has one
                           and I doubt she wants to move to riverside after
                           just buying a house up here.
                \_ College of Engineering is superior over ANY college in
                   Berkeley. ENGINEERING REWLS, YOU ALL SUCK!!!
                        \_ And knowledge of English is obviously not required
                                to get into Engineering.
                           \_ knowledge of english is overrated --pld
                           \_ Fuck English, speak PERL!
                                \_ Me fresh off boat make big engineer bucks,
                                   go back China make China strong, beat evil
                                   America into dirt!
                        \_ If "Engineering is superior over ANY college in
                           Berkeley" then is it "superior over" (love that
                           grammar) itself or has it seceded from the
                           University and moved out of Berkeley?  You make
                           no sense.
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