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2004/4/23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:13342 Activity:high
4/23    Read "In Beijing's Crushing Grip" at http://washingtonpost.com to see how
        fucked up China is.  Oh wait, they changed the title to "China
        Tightens Its Grip" this morning.  No password needed.  Oh wait,
        the title is now "A Study Group Crushed in China's Grip".
        http://tinyurl.com/2tmzu [URL added, yr welcome]
                \- You are being monitored: http://tinyurl.com/2h2xg --psb
                   \_ I knew it, Partha, you treacherous bastard! --erikred
        \_ One thing such stories make me curious about is why do people in the
           grip of a judicial system that is simply acting as a part of the
           authoritarian state imagine that defending their innocence - or
           others' innocence is going to do anything but expand the umbrella
           of suspicion? I ran across numerous such examples while studying
           recent history in the PRC as an undergrad. Sure Li comes off pretty
           badly in this article but without connections to local friends to
           visit in jail, it sounds like the only sensible thing. Defending
           them would only have landed his own ass in jail as well. -- ulysses
        \_ SHADES OF GRAY!  NO ABSOLUTE EVIL!
           \_ You want a war worth fighting?  Deposing the government of the
              PRC is that war.
              \_ obviously you still don't get it.  deposing is easy,
                 finding something to replace it is the tough part.
                 also, it's a job for the PRCers, not for you.  if
                 you try, they will get confused, and all 1.3 billion
                 of them will fight you, thinking you are the enemy,
                 even though you are just trying to help.
                 \_ Sigh. You're right, and yet, of all the regimes I most
                    want to see toppled, this is the crown jewel.  I wouldn't
                    even care if they chopped it up into fifty tiny ethnic
                    fiefs.
                    \_ Okay. I'll bite. Since there are much much more brutal
                       regimes and kleptocracies out there, most of them in
                       Africa, why is the PRC your crown jewel? I'm no fan
                       but they pale by comparison with many others in terms
                       of their unsavoriness as a regime. Why them? -- ulysses
        \_ give us soda's login please
           \_ csuamotd@csua.berkeley.edu, pwd=csuamotd
        \_ "Chinese Communist Party is engaged in the largest and perhaps
           most successful experiment in authoritarianism in the world."
           Largest maybe, but most successful?  Come on! Don't forget how
           much more effective NK is!
           \_ I am from Taiwan, and my first impression of the mainland
              is that I am impressed with the Communist's control structure.
           \_ Last time I check, USA wasn't able to rule Iraq too well.
              and Iraq is about 1/100 in size and only got 20 million people.
              \_ Well, yeah.  But what does that have to do with anything?
                 NK = North Korea
                 \_ large land mass, huge population, and different cultural
                    and ethnic mix make a land difficult to rule.  For example,
                    Singapore's government structure seems to work well with
                    Chinese, but it can not scale up thus can't apply to
                    the mainland.
                    \_ Yeah, whatever you North Korean playa hater.
        \_ "I am a liberal," he wrote, "and what I care about are human
           rights, freedom and democracy." Funny how in the US
           "liberal" means you're pro-communist!
        \_ In Communist China, School studies YOU.
        \_ Check out the picture.  Lu Kun has this big opportunity to show
           the western world her struggle... and what does she do?  Talks
           on her cell phone during the picture session.  Niiiiceee..
           \_ Hey, she told her computer geek husband she wanted a quiet
              life and that he should get rich like his buddies and settle
              into the middle class -- not start up a web site called
              "Yangzi's Home of Ideas" and join a pro-democracy group.
              \_ Huh, well I can't argue with that.
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