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3/5     Wired has an article about tracing meat (and all food) back to the
        source, and mentions Niman ranch.  Does anybody know more about this
        place (eg, visited a supplier)?  Is it a free range sort of operation?
     http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.03/start.html?pg=2?tw=wn_tophead_8
        \_ Niman is as politically correct as a meat-purveyor
           can get without letting all its animals munch on grass. Chez
           Panisse gets most of its meat from Niman, if that means anything.
           \_ Is it really such a problem to let the animals walk around a bit
              and... I don't know, sniff flowers, have sex with each other, do
              what animals do?  I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I'm
                     \_ duh, it costs more money
              just wondering if it's possible to get meat that was raised this
              way, and how to find it.
              \_ http://www.nimanranch.com
                 Before moving to meat-packing nirvana (Chicago), I'd get
                 grass-fed beef from Berkeley Bowl. The guys
                 Niman's grass-fed beef from Berkeley Bowl. The guys
                 behind the meat counter would be kind enough to give
                 me detailed directions for cooking (temp not as high,
                 time not as long). The Wednesday food section of http://sfgate.com
                 has featured many articles on beef sources. Do a search
                 for "grass-fed" in its archives. -elizp
                 \_ what brought you to chicago?
                    \_ My husband (login: fab --  yes, we're yet another
                       pair of csua breeders) was a UChicago grad student
                       while I taught at DePaul. -elizp
                       \_ oh, I took a class at DePaul last year, and am
                          thinking of a part-time MBA at UChicago.
                 me detailed directions for cooking (temp not as high,
                 time not as long). -elizp
                 for "grass-fed" in its archives. -elizp
                       while I taught at DePaul. -elizp
                          What's fab studying at UC?
              \_ Walk around:  Pigs and cows can do this already.  They're not
                 the most athletic animals, though.
                 Sniff flowers: They are penned in high-enough densities that
                 flowers get trampled.  For there to be non-trampled flowers,
                 they'd have to be kept in a large area, like rangeland.  That
                 costs $$.  Have sex?  No way.  They are selectively bred.
                 If they were allowed to breed randomly, you'd get traits that
                 are undesireable in a food animal.  Plus they are usually
                 sterilized and/or segregated so they won't fight.  Would it
                 really make sense to have bulls or roosters fighting all day?
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A comprehensive tracking system for livestock and poultry could link an animals identity to its history. Using sophisticated but relatively simple to use DNA-based technologies and smart database management, even the largest meat producers could guarantee quality and safety. Other industries have already figured this out, granting customers, employees, business partners, and communities unprecedented access to information. Responsible government agencies - the Food and Drug Administration and the US Department of Agriculture, among others - have neither the resources nor the ability to build this kind of system. Putting Feds in charge of national databases is never a good idea, even when theyre calibrated to tenderloin instead of terrorism. As usual, their motivation wont be found in the kindness of their hearts; Outbreaks hurt everyone in the business, and food companies that distinguish themselves with good practices will make more money. Theyll feel naked in the sunshine, but feeling naked will motivate them to get buff. Many other countries have brought transparency to their livestock supply chains, usually after outbreaks of bovine spongiform encephalopathy - mad cow disease - which first appeared in Great Britain in 1986. In the European Union, every sheep, goat, and head of cattle gets a passport at birth that details its breeding history and accompanies the animal as it heads to market. At meat counters in one grocery store chain in Japan, which detected its first BSE cow in 2001, consumers can enter into a terminal a 10-digit ID number found on the price tags of domestically produced beef and see a copy of the document certifying the cows breeding history - and that its BSE-free. American cattle producers could strive for similar distinction both domestically and abroad. Instead of thinking like widget makers looking for the cheapest per-unit costs, they should view themselves as artisans, making a superior yet affordable product. Witness the wine industry, where the price of a bottle is tightly linked to quality - not only the taste but the vintners reputation and practices as well. The producer would keep a database, accessible to anyone over the Web, tracking the burger-to-be according to what the calf ate, what health concerns it faced, and what herds or ranches it came into contact with. An ear tag or an implanted radio-frequency ID chip would keep things simple. In the end, even plastic-wrapped cuts of beef in your Safeway would be labeled with its ID number. People with Web access near their dinner tables could actually read about what they were chewing. Maybe, but it beats finding out some years later that your brain is melting. Food critics and consumers rave about Niman Ranch in California, which touts beef, pork, and lamb that are humanely treated, fed natural food, and given no growth hormones or antibiotics. Niman has a nationwide network of ranches and abattoirs that follow its practices, and offers public tours of suppliers. The privately held company is small - it slaughters only 175 head of cattle a week, compared with 400 an hour at big slaughterhouses like ConAgra Foods - but sales were up 30 percent last year, and Niman expects similar growth in 2004. The birds cost about 20 percent more than your average fryer, but have more protein, less fat, and better flavor. The company is also starting up a cost-effective DNA-based tracking system and working toward being able to generate a detailed biography of any cow, pig, lamb, or chicken from birth to the butchers counter. But tags can fall off, and even biometrics such as a retina scan become less reliable after the animal is butchered. Michael McCain, Maple Leafs president and CEO, calls traceability the holy grail of the food processing industry. Our ancestors bought supplies at local markets or from retailers who sourced products locally. If they didnt like how a local rancher treated his cattle, they didnt buy his beef. But transportation and refrigeration have estranged us from our foodstuffs. We could lead the world in developing a modern, industrialized, open food system with down-to-earth family farm values. Transparency lets companies with superior practices differentiate themselves. The brand could evolve from the marketing notion of a trustmark - something that customers believe in because its familiar - into a relationship based on the sharing of information.
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