3/5 Martha Stewart guilty on all counts.
\_ Did anyone else besides me find that juror saying "This is a victory
for the little guy" unsettling? -- ilyas
\_ This is the paackage they're selling with this whole case. "Look,
we go after evildoers. Never mind that the SEC audit team has
been decimated." --scotsman
\_ No. See comment below about "jury was all pissed off".
I wrote that comment before I heard about what any juror said.
I'm sure Martha's defense managed to put some manager types
on the jury, and they still convicted.
\_ I ll take a public statement of a juror over your guess, as
far as the inclinations of the jury. The fellow whose comment
about Martha buying off a juror was deleted had an amusing
take on the situation, although it does smell of tin and
foil. -- ilyas
\_ The point behind my comment was that I guessed at least
what one jury member was thinking before they confirmed it.
\_ If you read the NYTimes site, you'll see the quote is:
\_ Martha paid the juror to say that, so that she can appeal on the
ground of a biased jury.
\_ Next on Marth Stewart Living: Three simple ways to brighten up your
jail cell.
\_ Poor Martha, I think she got prosecuted for being really bitchy.
\_ I ll take a public statement of a juror over your guess, as
far as the inclinations of the jury. The fellow whose comment
\_ She should just be fined. Jailing her serves to do nothing
except make her a ward of the state which ends up costing
taxpayers more money.
\_ Hell no bitch. She needs to do time in a cell. A fine is
meaningless.
about Martha buying off a juror was deleted had an amusing
take on the situation, although it does smell of tin and
foil. -- ilyas
"Maybe it's a victory for the little guys who lose money in the
market because of these kinds of transactions."
To me this doesn't sounds prejudicial, but more like he's
interested in seeing a guilty woman punished for harming
investors.
\_ http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/05/stewart.jurors/index.html
Way to spin it, CNN. -- ilyas
\_ Poll: What do you think the sentence should be?
Jail > 1 year: ..
Jail < 1 year:
Probation/suspended sentence:
House arrest:
Wear polka-dots and eat McDonalds:
\_ Ok, so this means what in English for us little people?
Clone Martha and have clone serve jail sentence: .
\_ She should just be fined. Jailing her serves to do nothing
except make her a ward of the state which ends up costing
\_ CNN legal analyst: "It means that, unless this is somehow undone
on appeal, she's a felon and she's going to prison. There's
going to be a whole separate process in terms of what that
sentence might be, but it's not going to be probation. It's not
even likely to be a 'Club Fed' kind of thing. She's actually
going to be going to a real prison, like a real criminal."
\_ Not 'like a real criminal'. After she loses her appeal she'll
be in a real prison because she is a real criminal. And I hope
she's only the first of many corrupt execs to follow.
\_ Next on Marth Stewart Living: Three simple ways to brighten up your
jail cell.
Probation/suspended sentence:
House arrest:
Wear polka-dots and eat McDonalds:
Clone Martha and have clone serve jail sentence: .
\_ I guess the jury was all pissed off about how their bosses would
always be telling them to do illegal things
\_ She and Ken Lay will be playing golf together at the Federal
Country Club for the next 18 months.
\_ Kenny Boy is too well connected to ever to go jail. Only
little people and Democrats get busted for white collar crime.
\_ Oh really? Name those Democrats.
taxpayers more money.
\_ Hell no bitch. She needs to do time in a cell. A fine is
meaningless.
\_ Fuck you asshole. If you want to pay for her jailtime
go right ahead. It costs about $100,000 per annum to
keep someone incarcerate. Don't fucking mouth off
before you know what the fuck you're talking about.
\_ I know exactly what I'm talking about. Fines for people
who are already fucking billionaires don't mean shit.
It costs money to enforce the law. Bitch.
\_ I guess the jury was all pissed off about how their bosses would
always be telling them to do illegal things
\_ She and Ken Lay will be playing golf together at the Federal
Country Club for the next 18 months.
\_ Kenny Boy is too well connected to ever to go jail. Only
little people and Democrats get busted for white collar crime.
\_ Oh really? Name those Democrats.
\_ Martha is a prominent Dem contributor. However, with
repect to Ken Lay you really need to consider the
the time period of Enron's ascendence - the 1990s.
Enron received significant Federal help, in some cases
as it should have, during the '90s.
After all it was Robert Rubin, who had moved to
Citigroup, who called Oneil and asked the
Fed to bail out Enron (ala LTCM). Citigroup, in
case you don't know, was one of Enron's financiers.
\_ Ok, so this means what in English for us little people?
\_ Rubin was Clinton's Treasury Secretary who oversaw
the bailout of Mexico, Long Term Capital Management,
and others. Before this he was President (?) of
Goldman Sachs which made some of the Mexico loans
covered in the bailout. Post-2000 Rubin moved
to Citigroup which had facilitated a significant
portion of the 'creative' financing that allowed
Enron to do what it did. Rubin then had the gall
to call Bush's Treasury Secretary Oneill in ~Feb of
to call Bush's Treasury Secretary Oneill in ~Nov of
2001 to ask the Fed to bailout Enron (ie. act as
Rubin had). All this means that the Wall Street
has far too much power in the Fed gov't. When
people complain about the 'military industrial
complex' it absolutely pales in comparison to
the rent Wall Street (and the medical / insurance
BTW) extorts from the U.S. taxpayer.
\_ She was a licensed stock broker before she became the Martha
Stewart we know. She knew exactly what she was doing, then
tried to obstruct justice... she deserves her punishment.
\_ CNN legal analyst: "It means that, unless this is somehow undone
on appeal, she's a felon and she's going to prison. There's
going to be a whole separate process in terms of what that
sentence might be, but it's not going to be probation. It's not
even likely to be a 'Club Fed' kind of thing. She's actually
going to be going to a real prison, like a real criminal."
\_ Not 'like a real criminal'. After she loses her appeal she'll
be in a real prison because she is a real criminal. And I hope
she's only the first of many corrupt execs to follow. |