3/3     If a public library blocks outgoing internet traffic on all ports
        except 80 and 443, originating from patron's laptops located on
        the library's network, are they violating the free speech rights?
        Seems wrong that I can download tons of porn w/o restrinction, but
        I can not SSH to soda. Do you know of any cases about this? Seems
        just as constitutionallly problematic as web content filtering.
        \_ It's not unconstitutional for them to use a filter, it's
           unconstitutional for Congress to require them to use one.  It's
           unconstitutional to filter traffic on an internet connection you
           own, but as the library is giving you a service, they can place
           whatever limits they want on it.
           \_ As a taxpayer, don't I have more of a right to open internet
              service through a public library than through a commercial
              ISP that I clearly do not own.
              \_ Your rights to an internet connection through an ISP are
                 regulated by your contract and AUP.  The government can't
                 censor that speach.  You have no 'right' to use a library
                 internet connection.  You have a right to non-discriminantory
                 access to taxpayer resources, but the extent of resources
                 provided to taxpayers is not gauranteed to be unlimited.
                 There have been no laws passed saying all taxpayers in your
                 jurisdiction have rights to internet access.  In the case of
                 such a system, like what's being built in Utah, users would
                 have constitutional protection of how they use the connection.
        \_ csua runs a port 80 redirector to soda:22 for people stuck behind
           such idiotic "security" setups. So quit yer whining and just
           ssh to scotch.csua port 80
           \_ Thanks for your attitude and your help.
              \_ He gave you what you needed to know without bashing your
                 whiney ass too much.  Free speech?  To port 22?  Sheesh.
                 \_ "porn" = "free speech"  seems no more absurd.
                 \_ I don't think op was being sarcastic.  He needed the
                    attitude he got, and he was grateful for it. [formatd]
              \_ advice with attitude. I like it.
        \_ first, how is the library violating /your/ free speech rights by
           restricting the material you can retrieve?  free speech, not free
           access.  second, would you also argue that the library not carrying
           a book you're looking for is also a violation of your rights?
           \_ "not carrying a book" = "not having net access".  If they have
              a book and refuse to let me see it, that seems like a better
              analogy. I see no valid reason to block port 22. justify it.
              \_ It's not a free speech issue.  If you want a justification,
                 you should be asking the library, not the motd.
                 \_ Yeah, good point. I've already done that, and while
                    I'm waiting to hear back from them, I thought I'd
                    get some additional info from the smart folks on soda.
                    Thanks for your opinions and ideas.  -complete idiot
              \_ Are you really this stupid?  -tom
                 \_ justify it
                    \_ I don't have to justify it, and neither does the
                       library.  You don't have a right to port 22 access;
                       you're being completely obtuse.
                       And anyway, it's easy to justify--keeping kids from
                       getting the library into trouble.  -tom
                         \_ maybe they should just unplug their net.
                            \_ maybe you're a complete idiot.  -tom
                                \_ yeah, maybe.