11/3 I'd like to sound a call for more civility and restraint on the
MOTD. Over the years I've learned a lot both in technical and
political matters from this forum. But lately I find myself not
wanting to read it anymore due to the overwhelming amount of
anger and invective. I understand that some of you may feel
passionately about an issue, but you are far more likely to
convince myself and others if you speak calmy and respectfully.
Patronizing, derogatory, and angry posts may make you feel
better by allowing you to vent your frustration, but all they
really accomplish is to upset people and make the world just
a little bit worse. In conclusion, feel free to be controversial
or humorous, or whatever, just tone down the hate. Thank You.
\_ I fuckin' love it! 'Can't we all just get along!' started a
flamewar on MOTD! Man, that rules!! <tearfully> I love you guys!
\_ OMG! WTF! LOL!
\_ If you don't like it, then don't read it. Anyone who takes the
MOTD as seriously as you do should be dragged out onto the street
and shot. Anyway, don't you have more important things to do during
your work day than to actually read the motd and take the shit
on here seriously? Ever think about the fact that your pre-occupation
with the MOTD signals that there is something wrong with your own
state of internal affairs?
\_ How to spot a liberal: (1) needless preoccupation with others'
emotional states, (2) overly abstract (and incorrect) deliberations
about the state of the world becoming better or worse through
your actions, (3) obsession with 'hate', (4) need to lecture
others.
\_ Nice emotional logic there. I'm REALLY glad you don't typify
'The Right' or 'Conservatives'. If 'The Right' spent as much
time whining about the Other Team as you do, it'd be completely
useless.
\_ Emotional logic? Wtf? Those are empirical observations,
not logical statements. Why do you care, btw, what typifies
'The Right'.
\_ Sigh. I'm not preoccupied with your emotional state.
You can froth at the mouth all you like, but when you do it
on the MOTD it puts a damper on my good mood. Also, I
apologize if it sounded like a lecture; I intended it as a
request for civility.
\_ Well, Mr. Civility, I guess I should find it in my heart to
froth at the mouth a little more civilly, while you continue
to use derogatory language. I forgot one from the above list:
(5) hypocrite. Wait, I am sorry. Calling someone a hypocrite
is probably hateful and makes the world a little bit worse,
while comparing your opponent to a rabid dog is perfectly ok.
\_ Go to Hell - Dean in 04
\_ I agree however I don't see that happening anytime soon. Berkeley
is a hate filled campus. Hate is an institutional trait taught in
the classroom and on campus. Students are surrounded by it and
soak it up everyday. Rational discourse is discouraged from the
top down. The motd exists in this hateful environment and reflects
what has been going on on campus for decades. The motd is not
separate from it's hateful campus environment.
\_ http://angryflower.com/aposter3.jpg
\_ Bob was not nearly angry enough in that strip.
Must've been an imposter.
\_ Mmmmm. I'd much rather be in a more repressive where everyone
knows their place and wouldn't think twice about saying something
derisive. Oh, feel the love!
\_ Transfer to Santa Cruz, where no one is allowed to say anything
mean to anyone else.
\_ Bzzt: http://csua.org/u/4vh (Mercury News)
``I don't think it's a town that respects conservative
views,'' Larson said. ``They tend to be shouted down. For a
town that claims to be very liberal and open-minded, it's
turned into something that's kind of mean. . . .
``I get this from a lot of very conservative people. They
don't think downtown Santa Cruz is a place where they feel
welcome. They get hassled. They feel uncomfortable.''
\_ If they want true hassling they should try moving
to Iran. The above must be the weakest most thin
skinned conservatives ever. Keep up the good work!
\_ It's a sad state of affairs when we have to compare
ourselves to Iran. --Iranian expatriate
\_ I thought Iran is actually relatively better
off than, let say, Saudi Arabia and other
middle eastern nation.
\_ downtown is part of the UC? Reread what I said.
If you just want a place where everyone agrees with you
transfer to Oral Roberts or BYU.
\_ you miscontrue what I said. i don't at all want a place
where everyone agrees with me. but you can disagree
with others without spitting in their face, shouting
them down, or calling them race/sex/whatever-ist simply
for expressing a different point of view. well, not in
Berkeley but that's the point. it should be that way
at a higher place of learning but it isn't at berkeley.
there's very minimal intellectual dialog and a whole lot
of blind raging screaming ranting going on.
\_ Name one online unmoderated discussion forum that
has a higher signal to noise ratio.
\_ Depends on the day. The difference here is that
anyone can delete anything. Online no one can
delete anything. Online you can filter for
yourself, but not for others. Also, here you can
alter other's posts. That sort of thing leads to
a sort of nastiness that can't exist online. I
can't even imagine what would happen if it was
standard policy to alter or delete other people's
posts in the typical online forum. I suppose it
would take about 2 seconds before someone wrote a
script to auto-delete everything. That'd sure
fix it good. |
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