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2003/10/24 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:10765 Activity:high
10/23   Housing prices going to tumble.  Old ladies worried about high
        property taxes will be happy!
        http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P62345.asp
        \_ uh, that article says nothing about housing prices.  -tom
           \_ look for "real estate".
        \_ Prop 13 protects old ladies from high housing prices.  Anyway,
           we've been hearing this for years.  If you bought a house just
           before any of the last several housing price tumbles and sold it
           today you'd have a several hundred percent profit in the Bay Area.
           \_ yea, but what if you just bought a house? and even if you have
              a 200 percent appreciation, which I doubt you have, believe me,
              it still hurts when it goes down.
              a 200 percent appreciation, believe me, it still hurts when it
              goes down.
              \_ doesn't matter at all.  the *only* things that matter are
                 your property taxes, monthly payment, and your final selling
                 price when you dump the thing years from now.  i'm a home
                 owner who plans to stay for at least 5-7 more years in this
                 house.  the current housing ups and downs mean *nothing* to
                 me.  the weather report is more exciting.
                 \_ 5-7 years only?  LA housing market was crappy for
                    more than a decade before bouncing back.  Housing tends
                    to have longer cycles compared to the stock market.
                    If you need a house, sure, but if you are also thinking
                    of it as a financial investment, think twice.  Don't
                    buy more than what you need, or earlier than necessary.
                    \_ Typical housing cycle is about 7 years. In LA it
                       was from 1989 to 1996 or so (top to bottom). Some
                       people say 1991 to 1998.
                       \_ Sure.  But if you consider it as an investment,
                          you probably want to look at how long it takes to
                          go from top to bottom and than back to its
                          original level and then some.  What would be the
                          return from say 1985 to 1995?
                          \_ Less than 7 years unless you bought at the very
                             top. It took maybe 10 years for the people who
                             did. Real estate rebounds quickly when it finally
                             heads up.
                             \_ This looks like the "very top".
                                \_ Most of us didn't buy this year.
                                   \_ Since when did you become the
                                      spokesperson for the motd denizens?
                                \_ Maybe, but they said that two years ago.
                                   \_ Have prices risen in the last two years?
                                      \_ yes, they have.
                                         \_ Really?  Didn't the luxury home
                                            prices fall?  And they say
                                            those usually lead the way.
                          \_ Keep in mind that once you're in a house it isn't
                             just an investment but your home.  You're no
                             longer paying rent which has an investment value
                             of absolutely zero.  Property is always a good
                             investment.  Location is the only question.
                             \_ On the negative side, you do have to pay
                                property tax, property insurance, various
                                maintenance costs  and higher energy bills.
                                Also your 20% ($120000?) down payment could be
                                making money for you if you put it somewhere
                                else.  If you invest the $120000 reasonably
                                wisely, that alone could cover a few months
                                rent.
                                \_ yeah, you could put it in the market!  oh,
                                   the same article says the market is going
                                   to tank...
                                   \_ He didn't say all markets.  He liked
                                      emerging markets, for example.  That
                                      brings up another negative of a
                    to have longer cycles compared to the stock market.
                    If you need a house, sure, but if you are also thinking
                    of it as an investment, think twice.
                             heads up.
                             \_ This looks like the "very top".
                                   \_ Since when did you become the
                                      spokesperson for the motd denizens,
                                      the majority of whom probably
                                      haven't bought a house.
                                      house as an investment - it is
                                      illiquid.
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moneycentral.msn.com/content/P62345.asp
SuperModels Market prophet is battening the hatches advertisement Analyst Michael Belkin called the bubble, the crash and the rally. Markman Rumors of the imminent death of the 2003 stock-market rally have been greatly exaggerated time and again in recent months. But according to one analyst with an enviable track record, the end days are finally here, and its time to prepare for a sickening plunge into December and beyond. The doomsayer is Michael Belkin, one of the few investment analysts who has emerged from the recent boom, bust and re-boom markets with his reputation not just intact, but aglow. Most independent researchers build careers as all-bull or all-bear, but not this guy. The report rises above the straitjacket of specialization to treat the global landscape holistically as an interlocking economic, political and social system. Two weeks ago, Belkin abandoned his yearlong and initially very lonely bullish posture and put on the fur. He expects the broad market indexes to sink significantly through the end of the year, led by cyclical industrial stocks, and does not see much of a recovery on the horizon for 2004. In mid-1999, he advised clients to buy into the Nasdaq $COMPX bubble through the first quarter of 2000, noting that the Federal Reserve had printed so many billions of dollars to battle a non-existent Y2k problem that money would spill into stocks and fuel a boom. On March 2, 2000, he turned around and advised clients to bail out of tech stocks and buy United States government bonds, contending big market indexes could get cut in half. A month later, after the Nasdaq had plunged 1,000 points from its March 20 peak, he stunned clients who thought the worst damage had already been done by proclaiming the tech-heavy index would sink at least another 65. After the Nasdaq had fallen about 70, he turned full circle and advised clients to aggressively buy the most-volatile tech and gold stocks, sell low-volatility defensive stocks and sell bonds. In an interview last week, Belkin said that everything that made him bullish last November now makes him bearish. His forecasting model, which consists of a non-linear set of probability distributions, shows equity markets in every developed country around the world wanting to turn down. At the same time, he sees emerging markets such as Brazil, Chile and China, turning up in parabolic fashion. Liquidity is analyst-speak for money, particularly dollars that the Federal Reserve prints and pushes into banks in a variety of ways for a variety of economic, political and social purposes. When the Fed makes new money, its like counterfeiting, only its legal, he quips. 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