9/26 Hey ChiCom troll, I found you something you can have fun with.
http://www.centurychina.com/history/krwarfaq.html -John
\_ Thanks john. Most US think Korean war was an idealogical
war between the Communists and the West. While there is a
war between the Communist and the West. While there is a
little element of that, the motive behind China's involvement
was self-defense. Mind you, at the time, USA did not recognize
the establishment in Beijing as China's legitimate government.
Under these circumstances, the newly established PRC was nervous
about having US Army, who aided the Nationalist throughout the
civil war, pressing to their border.
\_ Communists -!aaron
little element of that, the motive behind China's involvement
was self-defense. Mind you, at the time, USA does not recognize
\_ did -!aaron
\_ I am sure a Nazi would be offended by that remark
\_ are we not at a University, where one would expect proper
usage of English?
\_ Are we not in the CSUA, where one would expect sloppy
usage of English?
the establishment in Beijing as China's legitment government.
\_ legitimate -!aaron
Under these circumstances, the newly established PRC was nerverous
nervous _/
-!aaron
about having US Army, who aids the Nationalist throughout the
\_ the -!aaron \_ aided -!aaron
civil war, is pressing to their border.
\_ delete "is" -!aaron
\_ bug fixes integrated. - !op
\_ Learn to write proper English, chinaboy. -!aaron
\_ This was written by some other idiot than the person
who put in suggested corrections.
\_ I bet GWB would find WMD's in China if he looked.
\_ China already advertises it has nukes. No need to
prove it by looking.
\_ Chill out, Grammar Nazi. -dgies
\_ I am sure a Nazi would be offended by that remark
\_ are we not at a University, where one would expect proper
usage of English?
\_ Are we not in the CSUA, where one would expect sloppy
usage of English?
\_ So the ChiComs sent a million men over someone else's border
in self defense? Against a few American divisions? Silly.
If all those GIs walked straight into China itself, they couldn't
do more than steal some rice and leave a few AmerAsian kids
behind in a few border villages.
\_ Not to justify their paranoia, but after the Opium Wars
and the Japanese invasion and occupation of much of the
country for 12 years, the Chinese had reasons to fear
foreign domination. -ausman
\_ this paranoia still exists until this day. I hope
Americans understand that. If every american has
your level of understanding, the sino-US relationship
will be much better.
\_ I bet GWB would find WMD's in China if he looked.
\_ China already advertises it has nukes. No need to
prove it by looking.
\_ Nah, MacArthur wanted to get CKS involved too, and CKS is
all too ready to help reclaim the mainland. PRC repeatedly
tried to start a dialogue with the US to get assurances
about US intentions, but US did not respond, and just
continued marching north up the Korean peninsula. Also, US
can always send in more divisions.
\_ MacArthur didn't set US foreign policy. It doesn't matter
what he wanted.
\_ That's not apparent at that time. Truman could've
been pushed around by MacArthur. PRC did not know
what US "foreign policy" was.
\_ MacArthur was a loose cannon that eventualy had to
be reigned in.
\_ MacArthur was a great man. It's civilian rule -
that's the damn problem
\_ if it's up to him, Beijing and other major
Chinese city would be nuked then. Ohh
wait... using weapon of mass destruction
on civilians is completely justified except
when you are a Muslim.
\_ MacArthur was a fool and an idiot who got by
on charisma and media love.
\_ graduating first in west point, and
having a famous father helped too
\_ Mao paid personal price for the involvement. His only son
was killed during the campaign.
\_ Doesn't Mao have many other illegitimate sons and daughters?
\_ The Great Leader can do no wrong and thus all of Greater
China are His children basking in the Ever Lasting Glow of
His Greatness and shall live Great and Gloriously under His
Rule, one Five Year Plan at a time!
\_ I am more interested in the sordid tales about Mao
and his affairs and illegitimate children.
\_ Hey Mao is only considered "70% correct, 30 % wrong"
in CCP pantheon now.
\_ Yes, that is what CCP said. no one in China really
pay attention to them. I mean, if you walk around
in the chinese city and ask their opinion about Mao,
the general consenses is actually quite negative
for the 10 years of culture revolution he started.
\_ Answer this, what do you think the US will do if the Soviet
invaded Mexico or one of our neighboring countries? You think
we will sit and do nothing? give me a fucking break. The message
to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
\_ Right, but US is a plutocracy, China is a dictatorship. The
current Chinese government does not have the same legitimacy
as the US government.
\_ Fifty steps laughing at ten steps.
\_ China is an oligarchy.
\_ Saying a government is an oligarchy is not saying anything.
Any government of anything more than a remote village
is an oligarchy almost by definition. The Chinese
government is neither democratic nor representative.
\_ No, I'm saying you know the meaning of
the word, but seem to be largely ignorant
of real world civics and how the word
actually translates into reality. As for
you being a simpleton...well...your
previous comment seems to lend more than
enough credence. Good luck with that
dictionary, kid.
It is brutal and self-perpetuating, and does not represent
the will or the best interests of the average chinese
person. Chinese nationalism is admirable, Chinese culture
has a lot to be proud of. However, the current government
is not one of those things. Making them benefit from your
positive feelings for your country of birth is a mistake.
\_ You're reading your definition wrong. Would you call
the US an oligarchy?
\_ Of course. An oligarchy is rule by the few. An
effective government consists of the few (relatively
speaking). Almost any country today is an oligarchy.
It is neither a positive nor a negative, it is simply
a feature of government.
\_ Perhaps you should use your dictionary to look
up 'Republic' and 'Democracy' as well as
Oligarchy. You may have the technical definition
pay attention to them. I mean, if you walk around
in the chinese city and ask their opinion about Mao,
the general consenses is actually quite negative
for the 10 years of culture revolution he started.
\_ Answer this, what do you think the US will do if the Soviet
invaded Mexico or one of our neighboring countries? You think
we will sit and do nothing? give me a fucking break. The message
to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
\_ Right, but US is a plutocracy, China is a dictatorship. The
current Chinese government does not have the same legitimacy
as the US government.
\_ Fifty steps laughing at ten steps.
\_ China is an oligarchy.
\_ Saying a government is an oligarchy is not saying anything.
Any government of anything more than a remote village
is an oligarchy almost by definition. The Chinese
government is neither democratic nor representative.
It is brutal and self-perpetuating, and does not represent
the will or the best interests of the average chinese
positive feelings for your country is a mistake.
person. Chinese nationalism is admirable, Chinese culture
has a lot to be proud of. However, the current government
is not one of those things. Making them benefit from your
positive feelings for your country of birth is a mistake.
\_ You're reading your definition wrong. Would you call
the US an oligarchy?
of Oligarchy correct, but your understanding of
civics seems a little simplistic.
\_ So what you are saying is... I am not wrong,
but I am a simpleton anyways, (always good
to just start throwing something disparaging
after running out of actual stuff to say).
\_ No, I'm saying you know the meaning of
the word, but seem to be largely ignorant
of real world civics and how the word
actually translates into reality. As for
you being a simpleton...well...your
previous comment seems to lend more than
enough credence. Good luck with that
dictionary, kid.
\_ You miss the point of "supreme power". Supreme
power in the hands of the few with no recourse.
As much as some are trying to turn this country
into an oligarchy, the foundation of this country
is not. Oligarchy implies tyranny.
\_ No it doesn't. It implies only what it means,
which is rule by the few. You assume too much.
\_ Why is China an oligarchy? Wasn't Iraq also an oligarchy?
In both countries there was a premier guy, but also a bunch
of other guys helping. I.e. if Iraq was a dictatorship then
so is China.
\_ Nah, in Iraq, Saddam orders, and others listens. In PRC
Hu couldn't do very much without a reasonable concensus
among the top leadership.
\_ Maybe Hu is just a weakling then. I think Mao pretty
much had the same power as other dictators. |
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