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2003/9/26-27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:10335 Activity:high 50%like:10353
9/26    Hey ChiCom troll, I found you something you can have fun with.
        http://www.centurychina.com/history/krwarfaq.html  -John
        \_ Thanks john.  Most US think Korean war was an idealogical
           war between the Communists and the West.  While there is a
           war between the Communist and the West.  While there is a
           little element of that, the motive behind China's involvement
           was self-defense.  Mind you, at the time, USA did not recognize
           the establishment in Beijing as China's legitimate government.
           Under these circumstances, the newly established PRC was nervous
           about having US Army, who aided the Nationalist throughout the
           civil war, pressing to their border.
                                \_ Communists -!aaron
           little element of that, the motive behind China's involvement
           was self-defense.  Mind you, at the time, USA does not recognize
                                                          \_ did -!aaron
                 \_ I am sure a Nazi would be offended by that remark
                \_ are we not at a University, where one would expect proper
                   usage of English?
                   \_ Are we not in the CSUA, where one would expect sloppy
                      usage of English?
           the establishment in Beijing as China's legitment government.
                                                     \_ legitimate -!aaron
           Under these circumstances, the newly established PRC was nerverous
                                                                nervous _/
                                                                  -!aaron
           about having US Army, who aids the Nationalist throughout the
                       \_ the -!aaron   \_ aided -!aaron
           civil war, is pressing to their border.
                       \_ delete "is" -!aaron
           \_ bug fixes integrated.  - !op
           \_ Learn to write proper English, chinaboy.  -!aaron
                \_ This was written by some other idiot than the person
                   who put in suggested corrections.
                    \_ I bet GWB would find WMD's in China if he looked.
                       \_ China already advertises it has nukes.  No need to
                          prove it by looking.
              \_ Chill out, Grammar Nazi. -dgies
                 \_ I am sure a Nazi would be offended by that remark
                \_ are we not at a University, where one would expect proper
                   usage of English?
                   \_ Are we not in the CSUA, where one would expect sloppy
                      usage of English?
           \_ So the ChiComs sent a million men over someone else's border
              in self defense?  Against a few American divisions?  Silly.
              If all those GIs walked straight into China itself, they couldn't
              do more than steal some rice and leave a few AmerAsian kids
              behind in a few border villages.
              \_ Not to justify their paranoia, but after the Opium Wars
                 and the Japanese invasion and occupation of much of the
                 country for 12 years, the Chinese had reasons to fear
                 foreign domination. -ausman
                 \_ this paranoia still exists until this day.  I hope
                    Americans understand that.  If every american has
                    your level of understanding, the sino-US relationship
                    will be much better.
                    \_ I bet GWB would find WMD's in China if he looked.
                       \_ China already advertises it has nukes.  No need to
                          prove it by looking.
              \_ Nah, MacArthur wanted to get CKS involved too, and CKS is
                 all too ready to help reclaim the mainland.  PRC repeatedly
                 tried to start a dialogue with the US to get assurances
                 about US intentions, but US did not respond, and just
                 continued marching north up the Korean peninsula.  Also, US
                 can always send in more divisions.
                 \_ MacArthur didn't set US foreign policy.  It doesn't matter
                    what he wanted.
                    \_ That's not apparent at that time.  Truman could've
                       been pushed around by MacArthur.  PRC did not know
                       what US "foreign policy" was.
                       \_ MacArthur was a loose cannon that eventualy had to
                          be reigned in.
                          \_ MacArthur was a great man. It's civilian rule -
                             that's the damn problem
                             \_ if it's up to him, Beijing and other major
                                Chinese city would be nuked then.  Ohh
                                wait... using weapon of mass destruction
                                on civilians is completely justified except
                                when you are a Muslim.
                             \_ MacArthur was a fool and an idiot who got by
                                on charisma and media love.
                                \_ graduating first in west point, and
                                   having a famous father helped too
        \_ Mao paid personal price for the involvement.  His only son
           was killed during the campaign.
           \_ Doesn't Mao have many other illegitimate sons and daughters?
              \_ The Great Leader can do no wrong and thus all of Greater
                 China are His children basking in the Ever Lasting Glow of
                 His Greatness and shall live Great and Gloriously under His
                 Rule, one Five Year Plan at a time!
                 \_ I am more interested in the sordid tales about Mao
                    and his affairs and illegitimate children.
                 \_ Hey Mao is only considered "70% correct, 30 % wrong"
                        in CCP pantheon now.
                    \_ Yes, that is what CCP said.  no one in China really
                       pay attention to them.  I mean, if you walk around
                       in the chinese city and ask their opinion about Mao,
                       the general consenses is actually quite negative
                       for the 10 years of culture revolution he started.
        \_ Answer this, what do you think the US will do if the Soviet
           invaded Mexico or one of our neighboring countries? You think
           we will sit and do nothing? give me a fucking break. The message
           to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
           and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
           then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
           NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
           as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
           to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
           \_ Right, but US is a plutocracy, China is a dictatorship.  The
              current Chinese government does not have the same legitimacy
              as the US government.
              \_ Fifty steps laughing at ten steps.
              \_ China is an oligarchy.
                 \_ Saying a government is an oligarchy is not saying anything.
                    Any government of anything more than a remote village
                    is an oligarchy almost by definition.  The Chinese
                    government is neither democratic nor representative.
                                \_ No, I'm saying you know the meaning of
                                   the word, but seem to be largely ignorant
                                   of real world civics and how the word
                                   actually translates into reality.  As for
                                   you being a simpleton...well...your
                                   previous comment seems to lend more than
                                   enough credence.  Good luck with that
                                   dictionary, kid.
                    It is brutal and self-perpetuating, and does not represent
                    the will or the best interests of the average chinese
                    person.  Chinese nationalism is admirable, Chinese culture
                    has a lot to be proud of.  However, the current government
                    is not one of those things.  Making them benefit from your
                    positive feelings for your country of birth is a mistake.
                    \_ You're reading your definition wrong.  Would you call
                       the US an oligarchy?
                       \_ Of course.  An oligarchy is rule by the few.  An
                          effective government consists of the few (relatively
                          speaking).  Almost any country today is an oligarchy.
                          It is neither a positive nor a negative, it is simply
                          a feature of government.
                          \_ Perhaps you should use your dictionary to look
                             up 'Republic' and 'Democracy' as well as
                             Oligarchy.  You may have the technical definition
                       pay attention to them.  I mean, if you walk around
                       in the chinese city and ask their opinion about Mao,
                       the general consenses is actually quite negative
                       for the 10 years of culture revolution he started.
        \_ Answer this, what do you think the US will do if the Soviet
           invaded Mexico or one of our neighboring countries? You think
           we will sit and do nothing? give me a fucking break. The message
           to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
           and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
           then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
           to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
           and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
           then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
           NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
           as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
           to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
           NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
           as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
           to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
           \_ Right, but US is a plutocracy, China is a dictatorship.  The
              current Chinese government does not have the same legitimacy
              as the US government.
              \_ Fifty steps laughing at ten steps.
              \_ China is an oligarchy.
                 \_ Saying a government is an oligarchy is not saying anything.
                    Any government of anything more than a remote village
                    is an oligarchy almost by definition.  The Chinese
                    government is neither democratic nor representative.
                    It is brutal and self-perpetuating, and does not represent
                    the will or the best interests of the average chinese
                    positive feelings for your country is a mistake.
                    person.  Chinese nationalism is admirable, Chinese culture
                    has a lot to be proud of.  However, the current government
                    is not one of those things.  Making them benefit from your
                    positive feelings for your country of birth is a mistake.
                    \_ You're reading your definition wrong.  Would you call
                       the US an oligarchy?
                             of Oligarchy correct, but your understanding of
                             civics seems a little simplistic.
                             \_ So what you are saying is... I am not wrong,
                                but I am a simpleton anyways, (always good
                                to just start throwing something disparaging
                                after running out of actual stuff to say).
                                \_ No, I'm saying you know the meaning of
                                   the word, but seem to be largely ignorant
                                   of real world civics and how the word
                                   actually translates into reality.  As for
                                   you being a simpleton...well...your
                                   previous comment seems to lend more than
                                   enough credence.  Good luck with that
                                   dictionary, kid.
                          \_ You miss the point of "supreme power".  Supreme
                             power in the hands of the few with no recourse.
                             As much as some are trying to turn this country
                             into an oligarchy, the foundation of this country
                             is not.  Oligarchy implies tyranny.
                             \_ No it doesn't.  It implies only what it means,
                                which is rule by the few.  You assume too much.
                 \_ Why is China an oligarchy? Wasn't Iraq also an oligarchy?
                    In both countries there was a premier guy, but also a bunch
                    of other guys helping. I.e. if Iraq was a dictatorship then
                    so is China.
                    \_ Nah, in Iraq, Saddam orders, and others listens.  In PRC
                       Hu couldn't do very much without a reasonable concensus
                       among the top leadership.
                       \_ Maybe Hu is just a weakling then. I think Mao pretty
                          much had the same power as other dictators.
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