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2003/9/26-27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:10335 Activity:high 50%like:10353
9/26    Hey ChiCom troll, I found you something you can have fun with.
        http://www.centurychina.com/history/krwarfaq.html  -John
        \_ Thanks john.  Most US think Korean war was an idealogical
           war between the Communists and the West.  While there is a
           war between the Communist and the West.  While there is a
           little element of that, the motive behind China's involvement
           was self-defense.  Mind you, at the time, USA did not recognize
           the establishment in Beijing as China's legitimate government.
           Under these circumstances, the newly established PRC was nervous
           about having US Army, who aided the Nationalist throughout the
           civil war, pressing to their border.
                                \_ Communists -!aaron
           little element of that, the motive behind China's involvement
           was self-defense.  Mind you, at the time, USA does not recognize
                                                          \_ did -!aaron
                 \_ I am sure a Nazi would be offended by that remark
                \_ are we not at a University, where one would expect proper
                   usage of English?
                   \_ Are we not in the CSUA, where one would expect sloppy
                      usage of English?
           the establishment in Beijing as China's legitment government.
                                                     \_ legitimate -!aaron
           Under these circumstances, the newly established PRC was nerverous
                                                                nervous _/
                                                                  -!aaron
           about having US Army, who aids the Nationalist throughout the
                       \_ the -!aaron   \_ aided -!aaron
           civil war, is pressing to their border.
                       \_ delete "is" -!aaron
           \_ bug fixes integrated.  - !op
           \_ Learn to write proper English, chinaboy.  -!aaron
                \_ This was written by some other idiot than the person
                   who put in suggested corrections.
                    \_ I bet GWB would find WMD's in China if he looked.
                       \_ China already advertises it has nukes.  No need to
                          prove it by looking.
              \_ Chill out, Grammar Nazi. -dgies
                 \_ I am sure a Nazi would be offended by that remark
                \_ are we not at a University, where one would expect proper
                   usage of English?
                   \_ Are we not in the CSUA, where one would expect sloppy
                      usage of English?
           \_ So the ChiComs sent a million men over someone else's border
              in self defense?  Against a few American divisions?  Silly.
              If all those GIs walked straight into China itself, they couldn't
              do more than steal some rice and leave a few AmerAsian kids
              behind in a few border villages.
              \_ Not to justify their paranoia, but after the Opium Wars
                 and the Japanese invasion and occupation of much of the
                 country for 12 years, the Chinese had reasons to fear
                 foreign domination. -ausman
                 \_ this paranoia still exists until this day.  I hope
                    Americans understand that.  If every american has
                    your level of understanding, the sino-US relationship
                    will be much better.
                    \_ I bet GWB would find WMD's in China if he looked.
                       \_ China already advertises it has nukes.  No need to
                          prove it by looking.
              \_ Nah, MacArthur wanted to get CKS involved too, and CKS is
                 all too ready to help reclaim the mainland.  PRC repeatedly
                 tried to start a dialogue with the US to get assurances
                 about US intentions, but US did not respond, and just
                 continued marching north up the Korean peninsula.  Also, US
                 can always send in more divisions.
                 \_ MacArthur didn't set US foreign policy.  It doesn't matter
                    what he wanted.
                    \_ That's not apparent at that time.  Truman could've
                       been pushed around by MacArthur.  PRC did not know
                       what US "foreign policy" was.
                       \_ MacArthur was a loose cannon that eventualy had to
                          be reigned in.
                          \_ MacArthur was a great man. It's civilian rule -
                             that's the damn problem
                             \_ if it's up to him, Beijing and other major
                                Chinese city would be nuked then.  Ohh
                                wait... using weapon of mass destruction
                                on civilians is completely justified except
                                when you are a Muslim.
                             \_ MacArthur was a fool and an idiot who got by
                                on charisma and media love.
                                \_ graduating first in west point, and
                                   having a famous father helped too
        \_ Mao paid personal price for the involvement.  His only son
           was killed during the campaign.
           \_ Doesn't Mao have many other illegitimate sons and daughters?
              \_ The Great Leader can do no wrong and thus all of Greater
                 China are His children basking in the Ever Lasting Glow of
                 His Greatness and shall live Great and Gloriously under His
                 Rule, one Five Year Plan at a time!
                 \_ I am more interested in the sordid tales about Mao
                    and his affairs and illegitimate children.
                 \_ Hey Mao is only considered "70% correct, 30 % wrong"
                        in CCP pantheon now.
                    \_ Yes, that is what CCP said.  no one in China really
                       pay attention to them.  I mean, if you walk around
                       in the chinese city and ask their opinion about Mao,
                       the general consenses is actually quite negative
                       for the 10 years of culture revolution he started.
        \_ Answer this, what do you think the US will do if the Soviet
           invaded Mexico or one of our neighboring countries? You think
           we will sit and do nothing? give me a fucking break. The message
           to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
           and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
           then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
           NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
           as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
           to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
           \_ Right, but US is a plutocracy, China is a dictatorship.  The
              current Chinese government does not have the same legitimacy
              as the US government.
              \_ Fifty steps laughing at ten steps.
              \_ China is an oligarchy.
                 \_ Saying a government is an oligarchy is not saying anything.
                    Any government of anything more than a remote village
                    is an oligarchy almost by definition.  The Chinese
                    government is neither democratic nor representative.
                                \_ No, I'm saying you know the meaning of
                                   the word, but seem to be largely ignorant
                                   of real world civics and how the word
                                   actually translates into reality.  As for
                                   you being a simpleton...well...your
                                   previous comment seems to lend more than
                                   enough credence.  Good luck with that
                                   dictionary, kid.
                    It is brutal and self-perpetuating, and does not represent
                    the will or the best interests of the average chinese
                    person.  Chinese nationalism is admirable, Chinese culture
                    has a lot to be proud of.  However, the current government
                    is not one of those things.  Making them benefit from your
                    positive feelings for your country of birth is a mistake.
                    \_ You're reading your definition wrong.  Would you call
                       the US an oligarchy?
                       \_ Of course.  An oligarchy is rule by the few.  An
                          effective government consists of the few (relatively
                          speaking).  Almost any country today is an oligarchy.
                          It is neither a positive nor a negative, it is simply
                          a feature of government.
                          \_ Perhaps you should use your dictionary to look
                             up 'Republic' and 'Democracy' as well as
                             Oligarchy.  You may have the technical definition
                       pay attention to them.  I mean, if you walk around
                       in the chinese city and ask their opinion about Mao,
                       the general consenses is actually quite negative
                       for the 10 years of culture revolution he started.
        \_ Answer this, what do you think the US will do if the Soviet
           invaded Mexico or one of our neighboring countries? You think
           we will sit and do nothing? give me a fucking break. The message
           to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
           and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
           then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
           to for the US in the Korean war is, don't mess with our neighbors,
           and I think the message has been delivered. If China did nothing,
           then MacArthur would've went over the border to look for the
           NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
           as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
           to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
           NK leaders, that part was for sure. The US did not recognize China
           as a legitimate country at the time and has, and will, do anything
           to break it apart. Tibet was another example.
           \_ Right, but US is a plutocracy, China is a dictatorship.  The
              current Chinese government does not have the same legitimacy
              as the US government.
              \_ Fifty steps laughing at ten steps.
              \_ China is an oligarchy.
                 \_ Saying a government is an oligarchy is not saying anything.
                    Any government of anything more than a remote village
                    is an oligarchy almost by definition.  The Chinese
                    government is neither democratic nor representative.
                    It is brutal and self-perpetuating, and does not represent
                    the will or the best interests of the average chinese
                    positive feelings for your country is a mistake.
                    person.  Chinese nationalism is admirable, Chinese culture
                    has a lot to be proud of.  However, the current government
                    is not one of those things.  Making them benefit from your
                    positive feelings for your country of birth is a mistake.
                    \_ You're reading your definition wrong.  Would you call
                       the US an oligarchy?
                             of Oligarchy correct, but your understanding of
                             civics seems a little simplistic.
                             \_ So what you are saying is... I am not wrong,
                                but I am a simpleton anyways, (always good
                                to just start throwing something disparaging
                                after running out of actual stuff to say).
                                \_ No, I'm saying you know the meaning of
                                   the word, but seem to be largely ignorant
                                   of real world civics and how the word
                                   actually translates into reality.  As for
                                   you being a simpleton...well...your
                                   previous comment seems to lend more than
                                   enough credence.  Good luck with that
                                   dictionary, kid.
                          \_ You miss the point of "supreme power".  Supreme
                             power in the hands of the few with no recourse.
                             As much as some are trying to turn this country
                             into an oligarchy, the foundation of this country
                             is not.  Oligarchy implies tyranny.
                             \_ No it doesn't.  It implies only what it means,
                                which is rule by the few.  You assume too much.
                 \_ Why is China an oligarchy? Wasn't Iraq also an oligarchy?
                    In both countries there was a premier guy, but also a bunch
                    of other guys helping. I.e. if Iraq was a dictatorship then
                    so is China.
                    \_ Nah, in Iraq, Saddam orders, and others listens.  In PRC
                       Hu couldn't do very much without a reasonable concensus
                       among the top leadership.
                       \_ Maybe Hu is just a weakling then. I think Mao pretty
                          much had the same power as other dictators.
2003/9/26-27 [Finance/CC] UID:10336 Activity:nil
9/25    What's the least expensive way to process small amounts of credit
        card payments?
        \_ yermom knows - ask her
        \_ how/where/what format?  small business?  online transactions?
           need more detail
           \_ small business. accepting credit card numbers for payment.
              Not physically, and I don't need to process them on -my-
              website, but would like the credit card service to have a
              web-based interface. sorry, I should have included this all
              from the beginning. I love PayPal, but I don't want to require
              my customers to join PalPal.
2003/9/26 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:10337 Activity:nil
9/26    Hi, I need LCD advice.  I use a 19" CRT at work at 1024x768.  My CRT
        at home is on the fritz and I'm looking to get one.  I want to continue
        working at 1024x768, but LCDs only go up to 15" at that resolution.
        How do 17"-19" LCDs do if you tone down the resolution to 1024x768?
        Does it interpolate pixels, or just use less of the screen?
        Any recommendations on brand/models?  Thanks in advance.
        \_ Any LCD not run at its native resolution just looks like crap.
           Its not as bad if you're running it significantly lower than its
           native resolution, but its still ugly.
2003/9/26-28 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:10338 Activity:nil
9/26    C question: if I have "static int alreadyRun = 0;" at the top of
        my function, will alreadyRun be set to 0 on every call, or merely
        the first call?  Thanks.
        \_ The value is set once at program start time, along with the
           global variables.  The value is not reset every function call,
           as that would defeat the purpose.
           \_ What about in C++? :-)
           \_ Not quite correct in C++ but I don't know if it's different from C
              in this respect.  The variable is required to be initialized
              before the first time it's used, so if you don't ever call the
              function it might never be initialized.  This isn't a major issue
              for an 'int' but it becomes very important with Singletons.
              \_ Funny.  I wrote this response and when I tried to save it, I
                 got a 'file has changed' warning.  The above C++ question was
                 added while I was writing this, and this time the C/C++
                 differences are important (at least for complex objects or
                 constructors with side-effects).
                 \_ If you have 10+ years of C/C++/Java please let me know.
                    \_ Let who know?  And why?
2003/9/26-27 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:10339 Activity:nil
9/26    LCD monitor question for Suns.   I remember hooking up a nokia
        LCD display to an ultra 5.  But I can't seem to get that working
        anymore.  I think ultra 5's graphics card is just a standard PC
        graphics card isn't it?  I'm trying to replace my 21" tube monitor
        at work with two 17" LCD displays.  Thanks.
        \_ in a similar vein, have a sparc 20 with cgsix I want to hook up to
           pc-style monitor.  Have an adaptor to get the physical connections
           right, but there are some sync issues as I've only gotten one
           (borrowed) flatscreen to work with it.  What are my monitor
           requirements so I can get a working monitor on this sparc??
        \_ Not sure if it's a std pc graphics card (pgx24?), but it sucks.
           I think you may have to configure its use for resolution/refresh
           rate. I forgot which command you use to do this, though. Not sure
           if your LCD is multisync, or it's multisync range might not be
           compatible with the graphics card current settings. so this might
           be the issue.
           \_The command is nonstandard and varies from computer to computer.
            If you have an Ultra5 and you just have the regular built-in video
            then I think the command is m64config. If you have a Creator it's
            a different command, and you may have to install the program for
            it. Do a google for your vid card and you'll probably find it.
            Solaris 9 has a lot of the stuff bundled with the distro.
            As for the LCD issue, you basically need to find one that is
            right for your ultra5. Not all VGA monitors work with Sun boxes,
            and not all LCDs will therefore work.
            -williamc
2003/9/26-27 [Recreation/Pets] UID:10340 Activity:nil
9/26    Is pet insurance worth it or is it a scam?
        \_ what's your pet worth anyway?
            \_When you get medical insurance, do you consider how much you are
              worth also?
        \_ What is pet insurance?
        \_ i bet the owner of the dog i ran over a month ago would think it's
           worth it (made a nice *crunch* sound)
        \_ are you talking about pet health insurance?  If your dog gets run
           over then you still end up making those payments.
2003/9/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10341 Activity:nil
9/26    Anyone know anything about Garrett Gruener?  I just visited http://gg4g.com.
        He seems legit, and pretty interesting.
        \_ Yeah, I've gotten pop-up-adds from him...
        \_ Garrett's a great guy and throws a nice party.  OTOH, this does
           not a governor make.  --ex-Ask Jeeves employee
2003/9/26-28 [Transportation/Misc] UID:10342 Activity:nil
9/26    Segway Recalled: link:tinyurl.com/otng (reuters.com)
        \_ Another bubble bursted.
        \_ IT!  GINGER!  IPO!  3) profit
2003/9/26-28 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10343 Activity:moderate
9/26    Neocon "Prince of Darkness" Richard Perle creamed in open
        debate with local gal:
        http://www.dailykos.com/archives/004301.html#004301
        \_ Creamed?  Ok, nice way for the URL to cut off his reaponse which
           unfairly takes the whole thing completely out of context,
           makes unfairly takes the whole thing completely out of context,
           but "fair and balanced" wasn't what you were going for so I applaud
           your clever editing hatchet job.
        \_ and how is an idle threat creaming someone? anyone
           american not a soldier walking around Iraq is an idiot IMHO
           \_ Way to miss the fucking point.
           \_ or possibly they give a damn and are doing something about
              the BS coming out of the White House.
           \_ idle threat? wtf are you talking about.
              \_ Let me ask you, just how long it took the Marshall plan
                 to work? Or the rebuilding of Japan? Only those who have no
                 grasp of history think things are "going badly". It's not
                 just the WH that in most parts of the new Iraq they are
                 well received. Read the blogs from soldiers in south/north
                 Iraq. It is just sad all you impatient dolts think every is
                 about money (shocker!) so therefore it must be bad. Ex-
                 Clintonites have equally used their connections to benefit
                 themselves.
                 \_ Take a deep breath, sit back, and re-write this when
                    you're calm and more likely to make sense.
                    \_ ad hominem.  Troll score: 7.65 points, 5.0 required.
                       \_ non sequitur.  Troll score: 4.9 points, no cookie.
                    \_ ad hominem.  Troll score: 7.65 points, 5.0 required.
                       \_ non sequitur.  Troll score: 4.9 points, no cookie.
                          \_ dictionary alert!  Troll score: 6.2, 5.0 required.
                 \_ In both examples you cite we were NOT trying to rebuild
                    after a war which we started preemptively under false
                    pretenses and false secondary pretenses.
                    \_ who started what has exactly nothing to do with how
                       long it will or should take to rebuild a post-war
                       country.  also the japanese and some germans might
                       disagree about the causes of WWII and who started what
                       with what economic acts of war.  get a history book and
                       take rhetoric 1a.
                    \_ might makes right. actually plenty of contracts were
                       given out in Bosnia and Kosovo. i supported that act
                       even if it was purely "humanitarian"
                       \_ I supported those too, but not Iraq.  What's your
                          point?
                          \_ So did I.  What's *your* point?
                 \_ The Iraqi bloggers I have read seem to think otherwise.
                    Check out salam_pax. I have a friend who got back
                    recently after a three month assignment as a reporter
                    and he says that 400 people a month are being murdered
                    in greater Baghdad and that things are not really going
                    "well."
                    \_ Of course _your_ bloggers write what you like to read.
                       If they wrote how well and peachy everything was you'd
                       stop reading because obviously they're just agents of
                       the eveil BushCo and should be DDOS'd off the net.
                       \_ I think you missed the point, perhaps deliberately.
                          Can you point to any Iraqis who think things are
                          going well? Sure, the soldiers think things are great.
                          If you had ever served, you would know why that is
                          not surprising, or worth much.
                          \_ Who cares what the average Iraqi thinks?  How many
                             average Iraqis have blogs anyway?  Where did your
                             Iraqi bloggers get the experience as to exactly
                             how long it should take to rebuild a country?
                             Their country was never really built up that much
                             in the first place.  Most of the south never has
                             had potable water and you're going by what some
                       the eveil BushCo and should be DDOS'd off the net.
                          If you had ever served, you would know why that is
                          not surprising, or worth much.
                             internet using elite have to say?  What's wrong?
                             The Iraqi net backbone is too slow?  Can't play
                             netrek without getting dooshed?
                             \_ Bile: it's what's for breakfast.
                                \_ BushCo serves bile to the Iraqi people!  I
                                   read it on a blog kept by an average Iraqi
                                   citizen!
                 \_ Bad examples. The Marshall Plan took place two years after
                    WWII when Europe was "pacified" and used American money to
                    help European business rebuild Europe. Japan was also
                    "pacified" but united as a people and even under those
                    conditions, took many years of American funding to help
                    the Japanese to rebuild Japan. Iraq is not pacified, is
                    not united, and American money supports American companies
                    rebuilding Iraq, not Iraqi. Try again.
                    \_ Duh, it took 2 years to 'pacify' those regions?  well,
                       wait 2 year in Iraq then come back and whine if it
                       isn't going well.  What did Europe and Japan do during
                       the two year we didn't help?  If we did nothing but
                       'pacify' Iraq for 2 years you'd be screaming that we're
                       not doing enough.  You'd be unhappy no matter what
                       because you're an idealogue and blindly hate the admin.
                       \_ Unlike post-war Japan and Germany, there are plenty
                          of Iraqis who were happy to see the former regime go.
                          There's no need to wait 2 years to "pacify" Iraq.
                          Hand over control of Iraq to the Iraqis we supposedly
                          invaded to free.  Otherwise, we just swapped the
                          Bathist regime for the Haliburton regime.  No points
                          for good intentions, folks.
                       not doing enough.  You'd be unhappy no matter what
                       because you're an idealogue and blindly hate the admin.
                          invaded to free.  Otherwise, we just swapped the
                          Bathist regime for the Haliburton regime.  No points
                          for good intentions, folks.
                          \_ There are plenty of prior government Iraqis who
                             have a lot invested in the way it used to be and
                             need to be found and imprisoned or executed.  If
                             we left now you'd be the first one screaming on
                             the motd how we abandoned the average net using
                             blogging Iraqi to Afghanistan style chaos and how
                             it's terrible how slow their net has become after
                             the eveil Amerikkkans left!  boo hoo.  It's going
                             to take time, more deaths, and more money.  If it
                             was easy to do, Clinton would've done it.
                             \_ And if Bush started making Muslims wear little
                                crescent badges and detained them in
                                "relocation camps," you'd still be up here on
                                the motd trying to defend him.
                                \_ Nice try but you completely avoided all my
                                   points.  Since you're the first to scream
                                   "NAZI!" I win, right?
                                   \_ Nah, I just alluded to nazis.  You
                                      invoked them.  You win, but it's a
                                      phyrric victory.
                             \_ wait, so we're in Iraq to imprison and execute
                                collaborators?  the pres. says we're there to
                                rebuild Iraq and hand over power to the Iraqis.
                                so which are we: liberators or vigilantes?
2003/9/26-30 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Industry/Jobs] UID:10344 Activity:kinda low
9/26    I am looking to hire several experienced C developers to work on
        a network security product and a financial (stock trading) application.
        If you or anyone you know is looking for a job please email a resume to
        rjchu@hightowersoftware.com
        \_ Wow.  Is it an embedded product?  Or a legacy one?  Are you sure it's
           in C?
           on C?
           \_ It's gotta be .NET/C#/F# or Java
              \_ !C != .NET/C#/F# or Java
                 \_ You're just jealous because you don't have 10+ years of
        \_ I have 15+ years of Java, C#, and .NET!
           \_ Do you have over 10 years of HTML?
           on C?
           \_ It's gotta be .NET/C#/F# or Java
              \_ !C != .NET/C#/F# or Java
                    C# or .NET technologies and innovations on your resume.
                   \_ yeah, it didn't even exists until 3 yrs ago
                    \_ [ Someone discovering America by opening their window ]
2003/9/26 [Uncategorized] UID:29545 Activity:nil
9/25    I'm trying to find a word. It's like "credited" but not quite,
        is something that newspaper reporters do "____ their sources".
        I can't think of it. It's on the tip of my tongue.
        \_ cite
           \_ Thank You!
        \_ so what's the word which means "tip of your tongue"?
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