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2008/6/23-27 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:50342 Activity:low
6/23    CIA asks NYTimes not to release identity of KSM interrogator, NYTimes
        does anyway.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/washington/web22ksmnote.html
        \_ and?
        \_ Do you think it is the responsibility of The Press to co-operate
           with the Secret Police?
           \_ Within reasonable limits yes.  This was not reasonable and so
              the NYT didn't feel the need to cooperate.
              \_ Thanks, Valerie Plame.
              \_ To be more specific than the above: do you think it was ok to
                 "out" VP?  If not, then why was this ok?  What was the news
                 value in outing this person?
                 \_ According to the article, "Mr. Martinez had never worked
                    under cover and that others involved in the campaign
                    against Al Qaeda have been named in news stories and
                    books." Outing an under cover CIA agent is different from
                    printing the name of a publicly known CIA agent who
                    tortured Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.
                    \_ Ah, you didn't read the article.  This agent never used
                       torture.  Thanks for playing.
                       \_ Ah, you got me there: he didn't torture KSM. That
                          said, he's still not under cover. It's not the same.
                          Thanks for playing. (And here's the original article
                          for those playing at home:
                          http://preview.tinyurl.com/6pc49k )
                          \_ You can't go up 20 lines?
                          Thanks for playing.
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Al Qaeda prisoners, saying that to identify Mr Martinez would invade his privacy and put him at risk of retaliation from terrorists or harassment from critics of the agency. Cracking a Terrorist: Inside a 9/11 Masterminds Interrogation (June 22,2008) After discussion with agency officials and a lawyer for Mr Martinez, the newspaper declined the request, noting that Mr Martinez had never worked under cover and that others involved in the campaign against Al Qaeda have been named in news stories and books. The editors judged that the name was necessary for the credibility and completeness of the article. The Times's policy is to withhold the name of a news subject only very rarely, most often in the case of victims of sexual assault or intelligence officers operating under cover. waterboarding or other harsh interrogation methods that critics describe as torture and, in fact, turned down an offer to be trained in such tactics. The newspaper seriously considered the requests from Mr Martinez and the agency. But in view of the experience of other government employees who have been named publicly in books and published articles or who have themselves chosen to go public, the newspaper made the decision to print the name.
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He chose to leave the infliction of pain and panic to others, the gung-ho paramilitary types whom the more cerebral interrogators called "knuckledraggers." Mr Martinez came in after the rough stuff, the ultimate good cop with the classic skills: an unimposing presence, inexhaustible patience and a willingness to listen to the gripes and musings of a pitiless killer in rambling, imperfect English. He achieved a rapport with Mr Mohammed that astonished his fellow CIA officers. A canny opponent, Mr Mohammed mixed disinformation and braggadocio with details of plots, past and planned. "They'd have long talks about religion," comparing notes on Islam and Mr Martinez's Catholicism, one CIA officer recalled. And, the officer added, there was one other detail no one could have predicted: "He wrote poems to Deuce's wife." Mr Martinez, who by then had interrogated at least three other high-level prisoners, would bring Mr Mohammed snacks, usually dates. He would listen to Mr Mohammed's despair over the likelihood that he would never see his children again and to his catalog of complaints about his accommodations. The story of Mr Martinez's role in the CIA's interrogation program, including his contribution to the first capture of a major figure in Al Qaeda, provides the closest look to date beneath the blanket of secrecy that hides the program from terrorists and from critics who accuse the agency of torture. Daniel Pearl and the separate teams at the CIA's secret prisons of those who meted out the agony and those who asked the questions. In the Hollywood clich of Fox's "24," a torturer shouts questions at a bound terrorist while inflicting excruciating pain. A paramilitary team put on the pressure, using cold temperatures, sleeplessness, pain and fear to force a prisoner to talk. When the prisoner signaled assent, the tormenters stepped aside. After a break that could be a day or even longer, Mr Martinez or another interrogator took up the questioning. Mr Martinez's success at building a rapport with the most ruthless of terrorists goes to the heart of the interrogation debate. Did it suggest that traditional methods alone might have obtained the same information or more? Or did Mr Mohammed talk so expansively because he feared more of the brutal treatment he had already endured? A definitive answer is unlikely under the Bush administration, which has insisted in court that not a single page of 7,000 documents on the program can be made public. The two dozen current and former American and foreign intelligence officials interviewed for this article offered a tantalizing but incomplete description of the CIA detention program. Most would speak of the highly classified program only on the condition of anonymity. Michael V Hayden, director of the CIA, and a lawyer representing Mr Martinez asked that he not be named in this article, saying that the former interrogator believed that the use of his name would invade his privacy and might jeopardize his safety. The New York Times, noting that Mr Martinez had never worked undercover and that others involved in the campaign against Al Qaeda have been named in news articles and books, declined the request. Officials acknowledge that it was cobbled together under enormous pressure in 2002 by an agency nearly devoid of expertise in detention and interrogation. With little research or reflection, it borrowed its techniques from an American military training program modeled on the torture repertories of the Soviet Union and other cold-war adversaries, a lineage that would come to haunt the agency. 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