12/20   We don't need no stinking Kyoto:
        http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/kyoto_schmyoto.html
        The Kyoto treaty was agreed upon in late 1997 and countries started
        signing and ratifying it in 1998.  A list of countries and their carbon
        dioxide emissions due to consumption of fossil fuels is available from
        the U.S. government.  If we look at that data and compare 2004 (latest
        year for which data is available) to 1997 (last year before the Kyoto
        treaty was signed), we find the following.

        Emissions worldwide increased 18.0%.
        Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1%.
        Emissions from non-signers increased 10.0%.
        Emissions from the U.S. increased 6.6%.
        In fact, emissions from the U.S. grew slower than those of over 75% of
        the countries that signed Kyoto.
        \_ Wow!  If this is true, how come the Bush Admin didn't make a fuss
           about this?
        \_ Well, that's a little misleading since the "developing" signers
           didn't actually have to do anything, and they're the ones with the
           really big growth numbers. They are pushing up the averages.
           \_ No, that is exactly the point.
           \_ US: 6.6%
              Canada, 8.8%
              Japan, 11%
              Finland, 15%
              Norway, 24%
              Iceland, 29%
              China, 55%
              \_ China is developing.  Anyway, hy only published a few
                 countries.  Why about France, Britain, Germany, etc?  I guess
                 it doesn't really matter, I think Kyoto is dumb too.
                 \_ France, 6.2%
                    UK, 3.4%
                    Germany, -1.6%
                    Spain, 37.8%
                 \_ China's emissions exceed ours now.  They're the biggest
                    emiiters in the world. The author has an XLS sheet of
                    absolute numbers.
                    \_ That link appears to be broken.  Anyway, Kyoto was
                       designed to have that result.  Why be surprised?
                       \_ Link works for me.
                     http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables/08s1314.xls
        \_ So I am curious, are you trying to make the claim that the Kyoto
           treaty actually led to the world producing *more* greenhouse gases
           than if it had not been signed? That seems pretty unlikely to me.
           If you are claiming that is was ineffective, I agree, we need much
           more stringent standards than the ones we have now.
           \_ No, we just need to meet the standards already in place.
           \_ No, I mean that the harping on ratifying the protocol or not is
              silly, when we're doing better than most countries that signed on
              to it. -op