Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2007:December:20 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2007/12/20-29 [Computer/Networking] UID:48841 Activity:nil
12/20   Why the hell does Cisco "The Human Network" advertise on the
        History Channel, and why the hell are they so annoying?
        "... not just network, HUMAN NETWORK!" Dumb shit.
2007/12/20-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:48842 Activity:nil
12/20   How do I make Mozilla Thunderbird grab all the contents of
        my IMAP folders too when I go offline ?  It grabs 'Inbox'
        just fine, but doesn't update my various folders unless
        I click on them.  thanks.
        \_ You missed the checkbox in "Offline & Disk Space" that says, "When I
           create new folders, select them for offline use", and the button
           titled "Select folders for offline use" that are right below the
           checkbox "Make the messages in my Inbox available when I am working
           \_ I did this before... I don't think it grabs the messages still,
              until I click on the folder.  Weird.
2007/12/20-29 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:48843 Activity:kinda low
12/20   We don't need no stinking Kyoto:
        The Kyoto treaty was agreed upon in late 1997 and countries started
        signing and ratifying it in 1998.  A list of countries and their carbon
        dioxide emissions due to consumption of fossil fuels is available from
        the U.S. government.  If we look at that data and compare 2004 (latest
        year for which data is available) to 1997 (last year before the Kyoto
        treaty was signed), we find the following.

        Emissions worldwide increased 18.0%.
        Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1%.
        Emissions from non-signers increased 10.0%.
        Emissions from the U.S. increased 6.6%.
        In fact, emissions from the U.S. grew slower than those of over 75% of
        the countries that signed Kyoto.
        \_ Wow!  If this is true, how come the Bush Admin didn't make a fuss
           about this?
        \_ Well, that's a little misleading since the "developing" signers
           didn't actually have to do anything, and they're the ones with the
           really big growth numbers. They are pushing up the averages.
           \_ No, that is exactly the point.
           \_ US: 6.6%
              Canada, 8.8%
              Japan, 11%
              Finland, 15%
              Norway, 24%
              Iceland, 29%
              China, 55%
              \_ China is developing.  Anyway, hy only published a few
                 countries.  Why about France, Britain, Germany, etc?  I guess
                 it doesn't really matter, I think Kyoto is dumb too.
                 \_ France, 6.2%
                    UK, 3.4%
                    Germany, -1.6%
                    Spain, 37.8%
                 \_ China's emissions exceed ours now.  They're the biggest
                    emiiters in the world. The author has an XLS sheet of
                    absolute numbers.
                    \_ That link appears to be broken.  Anyway, Kyoto was
                       designed to have that result.  Why be surprised?
                       \_ Link works for me.
        \_ So I am curious, are you trying to make the claim that the Kyoto
           treaty actually led to the world producing *more* greenhouse gases
           than if it had not been signed? That seems pretty unlikely to me.
           If you are claiming that is was ineffective, I agree, we need much
           more stringent standards than the ones we have now.
           \_ No, we just need to meet the standards already in place.
           \_ No, I mean that the harping on ratifying the protocol or not is
              silly, when we're doing better than most countries that signed on
              to it. -op
2007/12/20-29 [Recreation/Dating] UID:48844 Activity:low
12/20   Seriously, what will happen if I break 1 mil on Guitar Hero?
        \_ You're still not getting laid
           \_ So why would that make me Gay?
              \_ It's really easy to get laid if you're gay?
                 \_ It is for me - I can literally get laid within the hour
                    if I wanted to with someone attractive.  I had a date
                    within 20 minutes of setting up a profile on
2007/12/20 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:48845 Activity:nil
12/20   ultramonkey has a stupid name and appears to not have been updated
        So the dumbducks in Congress are legislating what type of light
              \_ Oh my god. You are dumb. Suppose what you said was
                       \_ You're an idiot who didn't read the link or pay
              \_ You're a fucking dumb ass. If you had a $10k chandelier
                 anyone of having no sense of taste? You're a moron.
                 \_ Seconded, the op sounds like a dumb ass.
                    \_ Wow, you're dumb and don't even realize it.
        \_ You know what is even dumber about this idea? In probably 10
           is going to look pretty stupid in 10-20 years, I bet.
        \_ Wow.  The PM's at your company are either assholes or idiots. -dans
                                dumb to decide those arent the numbers you
                                \_ 'linear combination of arrogant and dumb',
              people who believe stupid rhetoric about "death taxes" or
              if you say "candidate X is either a moron or a liar". 2. many
              positions are morons and scientists ... so they probably do
           weak/stupid --  witness our tolerance for predatory lending.
                   to take advantage of stupid ones?  Morally OK?
                   Granted, government can't protect stupid people
                   bastards who're taking advantage of the stupid.  You know,
                \_ congratulations, you're not stupid!  Now how would you
                   feel if by a combination of having been born stupid
                   stupid ones over?  Now, do you think you're smarter than
              stupid and doesn't attack the problem. It exacerbates it by giving
                price to some dumb shmuck. There are far more cases of people
                                         don't agree you're either stupid or in
2007/12/20-29 [Finance/Shopping] UID:48846 Activity:low
12/20   anyone got a source of good looking free clip art for network
        diagram type stuff, suitable for use in Inkscape or Opendraw?
        Yes I am too cheap to buy Visio.
        \_ Doesn't this question come up about every other week?
           \_ It sure does!  I tried Inkscape, couldn't handle it.
        \_ too cheap for visio, but are you cheap enough to use xfig ?
           google for 'network diagram' and 'linux' and you'll find a host of
           other free options too.
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