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| 2005/8/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:39222 Activity:moderate |
8/23 It's Pat:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html
Pat Roberson calls to have Hugo Chavez assassinated. Gee, prominent
public relig figure calling for "death to <head of state>" ... what
does that remind you of? I like the line "This is in our sphere of
influence, so we cant let this happen" ... gee, I wonder if people
in Venezuala talk about "American Black Helecopters". And I wonder
if Hugo Chavez is a bigger theat to America than activist judges".
Any bets on who the next ambassador to Venezuala might be?
\_ Jesus for Oil..
\_ I'm willing to make that trade.
\_ Huge Chavez is a clown. -- ilyas
\_ Hugo Chavez is a clown. -- ilyas
\- So? Who would you rather have as your ruler, Hugo or Pat?
\_ Well, I was gonna say you, Partha, but then I remembered you
would feed me ankles first into a woodchipper. -- ilyas
\- in spite of your psb-persecution complex, you'ld
probably be pretty low on my reeducation or beyond
reeducation, convert to fertilizer list. --psbpot
\_ I don't know, Partha, you haven't seen me with a lot
of money. -- ilyas
\- ok i'll keep my options option to have your
bones scraped with a rusty file.
\_ When Pat ran for President in the 80s I distinctly remember
him saying that one of his first acts as President would be
to nuke the USSR. So I'd rather have Chavez.
\_ We need to keep our mullahs in line ... Maybe Venezuela should
ship off Robertson somewhere, say Egypt. I love the automatic
assumption that Venezuela's oil belongs to us because it is in
our "hemisphere" ... Isn't it property of the people of Venezuela?
\_ But they are Brown and Catholic, therefore subservient to
Anglo-Saxon Jesus.
\_ Heh, yeah, it Belongs to the People. -- ilyas
\_ No, actually, it's properly owned by PDV, which is at least
majority- if not entirely owned by the government of
Venezuela, which is, at least pro forma, a democracy, so yes,
it Belongs to the People. If you want to argue that
knocking off that fucker Chavez is a good thing due to
geostrategic interests (and, well, because he's a fucker)
then that's entirely different (this is what I think we
should have done with Saddam and couple of other places if
we were honest about it). However, there is _no_ argument
that Venezuelan (or any other) oil supplies "belong" to
anyone other than whoever's got the drilling rights to
them. -John
\_ I am fairly sure the oil in Venezuela belongs to Chavez.
Personally, I am in favor of knocking off Chavez _last_
among the world's head-of-state fuckers because, hey,
at least he's funny. -- ilyas
\_ Let's see... Chavez is aligned with Iran, Ven. is becoming
a client state of China, and Chavez provides extensive
military support to the FARC narco-terrorists.
Without oil Venezuela = Zimbabwe. I'd say pat is exactly right,
but shows poor judgement to say such things in public.
\_ Fair enough. Nonetheless, the point isn't who it
belongs to, rather who it doesn't, i.e. us. And
careful, Partha "the Mulcher" is watching. -John
\_ Let's see... Chavez is aligned with Iran, Ven. is becoming
client state of China, and Chavez provides extensive
military support to the FARC narco-terrorists. I'd say
Pat is exactly right. Without oil Venezuela = Zimbabwe.
\- still crazy after all these years ...
*Boredcast Message from 'john': Thu Oct 13 15:47:45 1994
||
||ok...straw poll:
||If anyone on soda was to become the evil dictator of a small
||country, who would it be?
||(assuming I get to be chief of the secret police)
||
*Boredcast Message from 'alanc': Thu Oct 13 15:48:30 1994
||
||Probably psb
||
\_ I am pretty sure that this is an act of terrorism as defined
by the Patriot Act. I won't hold my breath waiting for him
to be arrested.
\_ Let's see... Beaner is aligned with Turbin, Venezuela is becoming
client state of Chink, and Beaner provides extensive
military support to the Turbin wearin terrorists. I'd say
Pat is exactly right. Without oil Venezuela = Bin Laden.
Fuck immigrants, blacks, and Jews. !jblack
\_ "Can anybody understand what this duck is saying?"
\_ Pat in 2003:
"How dare the president of the United States say to the duly
elected president of another country, 'You've got to step down.'"
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| www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really oug ht to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. Robertson, a contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 1988 , called Chavez "a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly." "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said. "We don't need another $200 b illion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easie r to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." Robertson accused Chavez, a left-wing populist with close ties to Cuban P resident Fidel Castro, of trying to make Venezuela "a launching pad for Communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent." "This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen," he sai d Chavez has said he believes the United States is trying to assassinate hi m, vowing that Venezuela, which accounts for more than 10 percent of US . oil imports, would shut off the flow of oil if that happens. Robertson's comments Monday were the latest in a string of controversial remarks in recent years by the religious broadcaster and founder of the Christian Coalition. Last October, during the heat of the presidential race, Robertson told CN N that during a meeting with President Bush prior to the invasion of Ira q, the president told him he did not believe there would be casualties. In May, during an ABC interview, Robertson ignited a firestorm with his r esponse to a question about whether activist judges were more of a threa t to America than terrorists. "If they look over the course of 100 years, I think the gradual erosion o f the consensus that's held our country together is probably more seriou s than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings," he said. Frank Lautenberg, Robertson ins isted he was not being cavalier about the 9/11 attacks. But he also refu sed to apologize, saying Supreme Court rulings on abortion, religious ex pression in the public square, pornography and same-sex marriage "are al l of themselves graver dangers in the decades to come than the terrorist s which our great nation has defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq." In October 2003, Robertson, criticizing the State Department during an in terview on "The 700 Club," said "maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up," referring to the nickname for t he department's headquarters in Washington. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher called the remark "despicable. " In July 2003, Robertson asked his audience to pray for three justices to retire from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced with more conser vative jurists. "One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer and ano ther has a heart condition," he said. Robertson insisted he was only calling for prayers for the justices to re tire and was not asking his followers to pray for their demise. In November 2002, Robertson charged that the Muslim holy book, the Quran, incites followers to kill people of other faiths and disputed Bush's ch aracterization of Islam as a religion of peace. "It's clear from the teachings of the Quran and also from the history of Islam that it's anything but peaceful," Robertson said in a subsequent i nterview with CNN. is jihad, and it is to subj ect the unbelievers either to forced conversion or death. |
| csua.org/u/d55 -> www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/11/national/main562915.shtml How dare the president of the United States say to the duly elected presi dent of another country, 'You've got to step down,'" Robertson said Mond ay on The 700 Club, broadcast from his Christian Broadcasting Network. It's one thing to say, we will give you money if you step down and we wil l give you troops if you step down, but just to order him to step down? Robertson, a Bush supporter who has financial interests in Liberia, said he believes the State Department has mismanaged the situation in nation after nation after nation in Africa. So we're undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim re bels to take over the country, he said in the broadcast. Robertson told The Washington Post in an interview published Thursday tha t he has written off in my own mind an $8 million investment in a Liberi an gold mining venture he made four years ago, under an agreement with T aylor's government. Once the dust has cleared on this thing, chances are there will be some i nvestors from someplace who want to invest. If I could find some people to sell it to, I'd be more than delighted, he said in the article. He said his investment was intended to help pay for humanitarian and evan gelical efforts in Liberia. Angell Watts, a spokeswoman for Robertson, said Robertson was not availab le to comment Thursday because he was traveling. Taylor waged war for seven years as a rebel leader before being elected p resident in 1997. The United Nations and European leaders have sought US troops to enforc e a repeatedly violated June 17 cease-fire between forces loyal to Taylo r and rebels fighting for three years to oust him. Under the deal, Taylo r promised to step down, clearing the way for a transitional government that will oversee fresh elections. Mr Bush, speaking Wednesday in South Africa, promised to help enforce th e cease-fire and see to it that Mr Taylor leaves office so there can be a peaceful transition in Liberia. On Sunday, Taylor accepted an offer of asylum from Nigeria, but on condit ion that an international force is deployed in Liberia. A UN-backed tribunal indicted Taylor on June 4 for war crimes in neighb oring Sierra Leone. Robertson told the Post that the war crimes indictment is nonsense and sh ould be quashed. He said Taylor has become such a lightning rod that he should leave offic e, but in an orderly transition accompanied by the insertion of US pea cekeepers. Frankly, the president's call for Taylor to step down immediately is not wise, because if Taylor leaves immediately, the country will descend int o chaos, he told the paper. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |