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12/18 Nearly 1 in 2 Americans supports restricting the rights of Muslim-
Americans.
http://csua.org/u/afa
\_ Thanks for testing my faith in humanity. Just what I need before
singing christmas services. "I heard the bells on Christmas Day"
has been hitting pretty hard this year. And on a related note,
"I'll be home for Christmas" is our most requested song now.
--scotsman
\_ Wow, no definition at all of what that means. Let me hazard a
guess: most intelligent Americans think that allowing Mosques to
preach hatred of America or be a haven for organizing attacks is not
a good thing. Not that all or even many Mosques are doing this, but
if any one of them is doing it, it should be closed.
\_ The survey responses are at the bottom of the linked page.
What you say would make sense if the article author had
paraphrases "mosques meeting certain criteria" as "mosques" as
a whole. As it stands, it is scary. -John
\_ One of the restriction possibilities listed is "mosques
should be closely monitored by U.S. law enforcement
agencies." I don't see anything wrong with that.
\_ Maybe not, but then, out of fairness, you should also be
in favor of US law enforcement "close monitoring" of many
christian fundamentalist congregations for inciting
violence against abortionists, sodomists, and other
undesirable types. Of course I'm just taking this to its
absurd conclusion, but one of the reasons western nations
have such a problem with islamic fundamentalism and with
islamism is that we have rules restricting our ability
to deal with evil through law enforcement, the very
erosion of which laws would be a terrifying end in its own
right. "Those who give up a essential liberty" and all
that. I'm not saying imams (as with any preachers) who
order their obedient hordes to engage in mayhem shouldn't
be closely watched, just suggesting that you think very
very carefully about where this can lead. -John
\_ I hope you realize that lots of fundamentalist groups
that advocate violence against abortion doctors, &c.
are routinely monitored by the FBI and state law
enforcement agencies.
\_ That's ok, they voted for Bush.
\_ Nearly 1 in 1 Muslim countries restrict the rights of it's
non-Muslim citizens.
\_ If all your friends jumped off a bridge...
\_ Its more like nearly 1 in 1 Muslims favor restricting the
right to exist of a non-Muslim.
\_ That's absurd. I think more to the point is that 100%
of muslim countries restrict the rights of *all* their
citizens, including muslims.
\_ If you can't see the difference between a Muslim and a
Muslim-American, you're blind. Do you also think that
the Japanese americans should have been interned during
WWII?
\_ the Japanese Americans fought in the fields
I don't see any muslim americans fighting against
Al-Queda or fingerpointing the bad mosques?
\_ Key phrase: "I don't see..."
\_ show me a news report of a Muslim whistleblower
exposing a Mosque
\_ Actually that's a really good point. Perhaps the media
should do more stories on MAs in the armed forces in
Iraq or Afganistan. All we hear about are desertions
or people throwing grenades into tents. -- ilyas
\_ just to cloud this issue with facts, most of the
Japanese Americans who served in the US Army during
WWII served in Europe. A much smaller number served
in Asia with the US military intelligence services
as linguists.
as linguists. Their (MIS) involvement was not widely
known for decades after the end of WWII.
--Jon
\_ I don't think internment is the answer (then or now).
The Japanese-Americans were on the whole trustworthy
and dedicated to this country. Support for Japanese
expansion in Asia was limited among JA's living here.
This is not true of Muslim-Americans. There are plenty
of mosques, &c. that preach anti-Americanism and
militant resistance of American. The nature of this
enemy is different.
\_ I live in a town with a lot of muslims, and I know
quite a few muslims. Many of the local businesses
here are run by muslims. All of the muslims
I've met are American immigrants first, and muslims
second. They speak better English, work harder and
generally act in a way that I find to be more compatible
with the American way of life than their fellow
immigrants from a lot of other regions I won't name.
Yes, there is an international conspiracy of Muslims
that wants to destroy America, but I'm convinced that
the fraction of them among Muslim Americans is *really*
small. If it wasn't, we'd know by know.
\_ This is, of course, part of the irony. A lot of
the immigrants came here to get the hell out of
the Middle East.
\_ What's even more sad and ironic is the Sikhs who
come here to escape persecution by muslims only
to be persecuted for *being* muslims by
know-nothing ninnies because they wear turbans.
\_ The worst thing about this is that Sikhs
saved large sections of humanity from
subjugation by the Muslim hordes. For
these brave men to be treated like the
enemy is an outrage and a disgrace.
\_ You may be right or you may not. An acquaintance
knew a Muslim terrorist living in LA. He seemed
like a great guy, fun-loving and always willing
to lend a hand. Then one day he disappeared and
the FBI showed up looking for him. You never know.
It's like those serial killers where the neighbors
talk about how they seemed to be great guys.
\_ Doesn't Michelle Malkin say we should intern all the Arabs in
Concentration Camps? To save our civilization, natch. |
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| csua.org/u/afa -> www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-bc-ny--fearfactor1217dec17,0,4929167.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork By WILLIAM KATES Associated Press Writer December 17, 2004, 4:55 PM EST ITHACA, NY -- Nearly one in two Americans believe the US government s hould restrict civil liberties for Muslim-Americans, according to a nati onwide Cornell University poll on terrorism fears. The survey also found respondents who identified themselves as highly rel igious supported restrictions on Muslim-Americans more strongly than tho se less religious. advertisement Curtailing civil liberties for Muslim-Americans also was supported more b y Republicans than Democrats, the survey found. The amount of attention paid to TV news also had a bearing on how strongly a respondent favored restrictions. "The more attention paid to television news, the more you fear terrorism, and you are more likely to favor restrictions on civil liberties," said Erik Nisbet, a senior research associate with Cornell's Survey Research Institute who helped design the survey. But it's not unpredictable," Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Virginia-based Muslim American Society, said of the survey results. "It's not the first time in this country's history we've seen sentiment f or restricting the civil liberties of a group of people. The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just have to remain vigilant and continue to interface," Bray said. The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, meanwhile, re sponded by calling on the nation's elected officials to "recognize that Islamophobia is a growing phenomenon in American society that must be ur gently addressed." "Our nation and its values are diminished whenever any faith or ethnic gr oup is viewed with such suspicion and hostility," said the council's exe cutive director Nihad Awad. Cornell student researchers queried 715 people in a random nationwide tel ephone poll conducted between Oct. "We are not offering this data as a warning signal or to make policy deci sions," James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications and a p rincipal investigator in the study, said Friday. "But our results highli ght the need for continued dialogue about issues of civil liberties in t his time of war." According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the Uni ted States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90 percent. The survey also found that when asked about the reason for the US war o n terror, 42 percent said it was to prevent future terrorist attacks on the country, while another 12 percent said it was to bring peace and dem ocracy to the Middle East. "This is the explanation offered by the Bush administration so it would s eem the views of the leadership are percolating down," Shanahan said. "T he tough stance on civil liberties appears to be a bleed-over effect." The Cornell survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liber ties should not be restricted in any way. The survey asked respondents about four specific restrictions, all of whi ch have been seriously suggested, noted Shanahan. Specifically, the survey found: _27 percent of respondents said all Muslim Americans should be required t o register their location with the federal government. The survey also examined the relation of religion to perceptions of Islam and Islamic countries and found the more religious a person described t hemselves, the more negative their views on Islam. The amount of attention paid to TV news also had a bearing on how strongl y a respondent favored restrictions. "The more attention paid to television news, the more you fear terrorism, and you are more likely to favor restrictions on civil liberties," said Erik Nisbet, a senior research associate with Cornell's Survey Research Institute who helped design the survey. While researchers said they weren't necessarily surprised by the overall level of support for restrictions, they were startled by the correlation with religion and exposure to television news. "We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse ma y nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said. Shanahan said researchers expected the correlation with party affiliation . In each of the four instances, Republicans favored restrictions by an alm ost 2-to-1 margin over Democrats and Independents. |