5/29    If I set up smtp_over_ssl/tsl/smtp-auth do clients who know about it
        just connect straight to port 465 (or whatever it is) or is an inital
        connection to 25 still required to kickoff TTLS ??
        \_ I think there's a STARTTLS command that will work over the normal
           port.
            \_ O.k. but if I don't want to use the normal port do i have to
               start it that way, or is 465 listening to me without my
               having to do an initial handshake on port 25
               \_ It depends on how you have your mail server setup.