8/13    Do you respect Perl?  Are you a sysadmin type or a software engineer
        type?
        \_ I had a theory: sysadmins love Perl.  Software Engineers
           don't respect perl.  Is this generally true? -op
        \_ depends, which one gets me a job?    -jobless sysadm+programmer
           \_ your opinion is meaningless if you're not tall enough to
              be employed.
              \_ uhhhhhh?
        \_ do i respect a language that encourages crap to be written
           in an obfuscating manner, so that eventually i will have to debug
           some 13 yr old's attempt at stylistic prose using perl?  No.
           I'd rather read/modify something sane like java, lisp, or python.
           \_ paolo is that you?
           \_ And you're what?  15?  All languages can be written like crap.
              I've seen ancient line number oriented BASIC written beautifully.
              It isn't the language, it's the programmer.  You can't deny the
              power perl provides or the huge support base available on the
              net.  Your examples are ridiculous.  I've seen plenty of crap
              written in java and lisp.  Get out more (or would that be 'less'
              in this case?).
              \_ Wow,so the only code you'll ever have to read is the stuff you
                 write yourself?  I should be so lucky!  Look, if you have a
                 language that h1b's use, shouldn't it be a language that
                 they can't shoot YOU in the foot with after they've left
                 the country?  You do not live in a vacuum, my republican
                 friend. - I know you'd like to think so, but you don't.
                 OTHER PEOPLE'S CODE AFFECTS YOUR LIFE.  sometimes you have
                 to debug it.  Wouldn't you rather minimize that time?
                 \_ Poorly written code is often poorly working code.  If
                    it's really worth using, it's worth parsing.  If your
                    project lead is allowing shitty code from an underling
                    it's time for a talk.
                 \_ Maybe you didn't get it the first time.  I'll try again.
                    Shorter this time: shitty code can be written in *any*
                    language.  And what's up with the republican line?  Are
                    \_ and if anything, i'd think perl were more left-wing...
                    you trying to say something about Larry Wall?  Is there
                    something naturally republican about perl?  I always
                    thought languages were political party neutral.  How does
                    this change for non-American programmers?
                    \_ and if anything, i'd think perl was more left-wing...
        \_ The biggest beef I have about Perl is the nasty OO syntax.  I'm
           currently using it to develop some CGI apps and it rocks.
           Especially the large body of free libraries on CPAN, etc.
           \_ Careful with your perl CGIs.  It's very easy to write a big
              exploitable hole.  Trust *nothing*.
              \_ As opposed to other cgis?  writing for web publication
                 presupposes that you understand the security risk (or
                 should.  damn underqualified developers)