3/20                            \_ what about the broken sshd?  -tom
                              \_ Its not broken. It works fine for SSHv1
                                 and OpenSSH clients. Get a different client.
                                \_ what would you call a server that violates
                                   protocols?  I would call it broken.  The
                                   fact that openssh clients also violate
                                   protocols doesn't make the server any
                                   less broken.  And, once again, there's
                                   ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE TO USING OPENSSH.
                                    -tom
                                    \_ Totally there is!  Open source!
                                    \_ Why don't we run both versions? Run
                                       the non-OpenSSH version of port 69
                                       so that tom will shutup.
                                   \_ Uh, its free and it comes preinstalled
                                      with *BSD, MacOS X, Linux, etc.
                                      WTF would I want to download something
                                      extra from http://ssh.com that isn't nearly
                                      as well audited as OpenSSH and isn't
                                      free for corporate users?
                                        \_ what difference does it make
                                           whether it's free for corporate
                                           users?  You would want to download
                                           it because IT SUPPORTS MORE CLIENTS.
                                           Are you really this stupid?  -tom
                                           \_ Because some of us are corporate
                                              users, not gub'ment 'ployees.
                                                \_ we're not talking about what
                                                   you install in your cube.
                                                   you can connect to soda
                                                   if it's not running openssh.
                                                     -tom
                    http://ssh.com's ssh server doesn't like _/
                    OpenSSH clients and it doesn't like
                    NiftyTelnet SSH on the mac (ie it will
                    randomly drop my connection and scp
                    doesn't work right), both of
                    which currently work with soda's
                    OpenSSH server. No reason to switch
                    since switching would reduce the
                    number of clients that are supported.
                        \_ Bullshit.  I am using both openssh clients and
                           NiftyTelnet with http://ssh.com's server and they work
                           fine.  -tom
                                   \_ since you clearly are not making any
                                      progress getting the powers that be to
                                      switch from OpenSSH, why don't you
                                      harass the OpenSSH people and get them
                                      to fix it?
                                   \_ So, you like the added bloat of having
                                      to start the ssh1 daemon every time an
                                      ssh1 client connects? Once OpenSSH
                                      supports shession rekeying (promissed in
                                      the next major release) there will be
                                      no reason not to use OpenSSH.