11/16   Trevor Buckingham strikes again!  ucb.class.cs61c titled "WHAT?".
        How do we kick him out of the major?  He's got to have violated
        some university policies with those postings.
        \_ Better to let him stay in the major. He'll be a minor PITA to
           the professors as he moves through the system, but he'd be a
           better example on the inside than litigant if thrown out.
        \_ I read his post which is filled with explitives and insults.
           Clearly this kind of post is unprofessional and unproductive.
           However, some of his arguments make sense.  Also, when I was
           taking the the 61 series I thought the tests were poorly written.
           I find it easy to believe that someone who knows computer science
           very well could fail to do well on a 61[abc] test. -alum
        \_ I didn't read his post but anyone babbling expletives on a public
           university newsgroup reserved for class use should be shot and
           forgotten.  They're doing more harm than good by making others with
           similar complaint get dismissed out of hand and rightly so.  The
           world isn't fair.  Berkeley isn't fair.  Shit isn't fair.  Tough
           shit.  Deal with it.  That's the lesson Berkeley teaches you.  It
           isn't about classes and midterms.  -other alum
           \_ Maybe you learned to be passive and weak at Berkeley, but that
              doesn't make it Berkeley's "lesson".
              \_ YA VOL!  SIEG HEIL!  HEIL!  SIEG HEIL!  Yes my brother
                 we can begin Das Final Solution!  Kill the weak and
                 the jews!
                \_ No, I learned to pick my battles and how to fight them.
                   Going off like a babbling moron on a class newsgroup isn't
                   being strong and non-passive.  It's just plain stupid.
                   There's no other word for it except synonyms for "stupid".
                   Call yourself the mighty slayer of bad tests and a force
                   for change all you like but ranting like a whiney moron
                   child will not change anything and might make it worse.
                   The Berkeley lesson, in part, is how to deal with life.
                   Dealing with life successfully *never* includes childish
                   ranting.  Maybe on your planet or in your mind but not on
                   the planet most of us hail from.  Nice ad hominen sans
                   backing, btw.  What would *you* say the lesson is?  That
                   one should make a complete jackass of one's self anytime
                   things don't go entirely one's way?  Anyway, 61abc aren't
                   about "knows computer science very well".  Until you've
                   gotten into some of the higher level Ugrad and Grad courses,
                   you're not doing computer science; you're just hitting
                   buttons and trying not to get weeded out.
                \_ For many majors at Berkeley, you're not here to learn.
                   You're just another cow with a number.  More often than
                   not, it's just a survival contest.  I can fairly say
                   this after grad. school when you tend to really find out
                   the kind of jerks your profesors are.  They could
                   care less about your difficulties in class.  - bitter alum
                        \_ Bingo.  I was staff, not a grad student and all the
                           profs made it pretty clear the undergrads meant
                           nothing and the grad students were just slave labor.
                           Staff was just a tool.  At least I had a nice stable
                           low paying job until I woke up.  Anyone who thinks
                           Berkeley is about "learning" anything except basic
                           survival is a complete fool.  Maybe it's different
                           in some tiny worthless major without any students,
                           but there's a reason they don't have any.
                           \_ I'm curious:  how did the profs make it clear?
                \_ After 3 semesters here, I fail to see what all this
                   flaming is based on. Yes, profs are busy; often too
                   busy to spend countless hours on students -- but where
                   on earth did you get the idea that you're entitled to this?
                   University education never was, and never will be, one on
                   one tutoring. I, for one, can testify to the fact that
                   I'm learning, and learning at the highest rate that _my_
                   physical limitations allow. That, to me, is a necessary
                   AND sufficient litmus test for what I would call an
                   education. Now PLEASE explain to me (without references
                   to gay sex) why someone would complain. The generic "profs
                   don't give a shit" doesn't cut it, unless you can explain
                   to me why that has hurt your education. -zyqqh