8/19 Is it possible to disrupt GPS signal? Can Russians/Chinese send
a satellite that sends false signal?
\-well i guess i am now the gps "expert". well, yes, of course
the system/signal can be disrupted. whether it can be spoofed
is a trickier question ... because that is a detection-evasion
issue. the answer depends on what scenario you are looking at.
there is considered anti-spoofing engineering that has gone into
the system and the protocol/signal design. if you have a more
specific question, i may have a more specific answer. --psb
\_ whatever. zip your pants back up.
\_ Not to mention that the signal is encrypted (PPS) and purposefully
munged (bias in SPS). --dim
\-the question is about a hostile attack [denial/spoof] which
is different from an attack on an encryptions system [which is about
extracting info, not restricting info or false info] so this normal
mode isnt especially relevant. you seem to be getting at the source of
errors. there are a huge number of sources of errors, some of them
mathematical and contrived, other from circumstances [signal quality
where you are, HDOP, etc.] or from nature [ionospheric delay [also
measured in L2 channel]]. SPS bias [called SA] is usually about
100m XY, 150m Z, and 350ns time but this too is varied to limit how
much refining youc an do by long observations in carrier phase mode.
on the L2 [secure channel], in addition to the normal encryption
[P code], there is hardened mode for spoof detection which involves
re-encrypting the L2 signal into Y code ... you need an even higher
clearance for Y than PPS. i will now have to kill all of you. --psb
\_ I was more addressing the "false signal" aspect than the
"interrupt" aspect. Since the signal is encrypted, it would
seem it would be difficult to spoof unless the spoofed signal
used the same encryption algorithm. --dim
\not necessarily. i am not sure if a "playback attack" would
work because time is part of the encoding but in theory you could
record the L2 telementary and just play it back at the wrong time.
i am not sure what recievers would do with that. again it depends
how exotic a scenario you want to envision ... i mean if the russian
can park a mini-black hole next to the SV and slow down the cesium and
rubidinum clocks on the satellite that would work too. i mean yes
your answer acknowledges "there is some security in the system". --psb
\_ A playback attack of this sort is (if it worked) basically a
denial of service attack. I was more referring to an attack
that would result in a diabolical signal skewed from the
original by some known coordinates. It might be possible, but
not easy to do. I agree that denial of service is the simplest
way to go, but it's more obvious and less vile. --dim
\-this is not what is usually considered a DoS. That would be
more analogous to blocking the signal or some other way of preventing
satellite lock. that's a spoof attack. --psb
\_ Semantics. Using a spoof attack to deny service. Depends on
what the original poster meant by "false signal". Of course,
now that I think about it, wouldn't the original signal have
to be jammed in some way first? How would the receivers react
to multiple signals? --dim
\-if i spoof a source address and use this to break into your
machine and i use that to read your resume to find out your home
address and then come over and cut your fingers off, i wouldnt call
that a DoS or a spoof attack. what would you call it? nice account
name. --psb
\_ Dude, chill out on the coffee. You know what I meant and that's
why I used the word "basically". --dim
\-psb ttyPv Aug 10 00:38 (coffeehut.lbl.gov)
\_ So it sounds easy to "disrupt" signal. So how hard can it be for
Milosevich to send out GPS signals? If he had done it from the
beginning, then there wouldn't be any cruise missile right?
\_ Yeah I totally saw this in a movie and like though James Bond was
like really cool with thise Chinese chick and they like you know
figured it out and stopped the bad guy and totally were on the
make so yeah the Russians can probably do it and steal our people
who are out boating and stuff and make them boat to Russia and be
held captive while hiking and stuff so like uh huh nuke 'em before
they take over the GPS because then they could boatjack our navy
and make these really cool ufos the airforce have get confused and
land in China or Russia or Iraq!!!! |