7/14    My company firewall doesn't allow port 22 connection.  What should
        I do?  And getting my ignorant IS management people to open this port
        is probably harder than sleeping with their wives.  Is there an
        alternative way to ssh to soda?
        \_ If you find a port that your firewall allows, let us know and
           we can probably set up an extra sshd on that port.   --mconst
        \_ Try the port redirector I just installed on scotch (look three
           motd entries up).    --mconst
           \_ Thanks.  It works.
        \_ I find it very easy to sleep with IS management's wives.
           \_ Everyone who isn't an IS manager does.
        \_ .forward your email.  Your soda account by default is insecure
           since it is run and used by a bunch a hackers.
           \_ Huh?  How much more off topic could you get?
        \_ anyone notice you can telnet to another server and ssh from there?
           \_ Anyone notice how this COMPOUNDS the problem?  Don't.  --sowings
              \_ The PROBLEM is that soda isn't allowing telnet any more.
                 So no, it doesn't compound the problem
                 \_ Soda allows telnet.  It doesn't allow cleartext passwords.
                    Don't get mad, get clue.
                \_everything running over the telnet will be free game, before
                  it gets encrypted.
              \_ that was my point... a mandatory ssh on soda won't
                 necessarily force people to be safe...
                 \_ clue time: you can never force people to be safe.
                    \_ then why mandatory ssh?
                       \_ cuz smart people will simply download the software
                          and use ssh on the machine they're sitting at
                          instead of doing a roundabout telnet into another
                          machine.  which one is more of a hassle?
                          apparently some people think it's more convenient
                          to telnet then ssh each time. but then again,
                          berkeley admits some pretty stupid people.
                          \_ Worse yet, they give them degrees.