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2022/06/30 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2013/1/26-2/19 [Politics, Recreation/Media] UID:54590 Activity:nil
1/26    Wozniak says the the Steve Jobs movie clip is historically inaccurate,
        that Jobs was not so much a visionaire that Jobs claimed to be, as Jobs
        was just looking to make a few quick bucks. Why should we trust
        Woz's words over Jobs'?
        \_ Seriously? Read both the Steve Jobs biography and Woz's autobiography.
           Nobody contests that Jobs was a scumbag. Also: the lounge in Soda Hall.
        \_ Seriously? Read both the Steve Jobs biography and Woz's
           autobiography. Nobody contests that Jobs was a scumbag. Also:
           the lounge in Soda Hall.
           \_ Jobs screwed over a lot of people, it is true, especially
              people working for him. But I still think that he was a
              \_ Woz's point is that the visionary part came later. The
                 romantic notion that the movie will portray will likely
                 be misguided.
        \_ Life is unfair. No one defends the dead man. The last man to live wins!
        \_ Life is unfair. No one defends the dead man. The last man to live
           \_ People are still defending Jobs the dead man, and he still
              wins ......
              \_ people defending a lying asshole... life is unfair
        \_ I come to bury Jobs, not to praise him.
           The evil that men do lives after them;
           The good is oft interred with their bones;
           So let it be with Jobs.
2011/12/6-2012/1/10 [Politics] UID:54251 Activity:nil
12/6    Is This Racist?
2010/2/25-3/12 [Politics] UID:53726 Activity:nil
2/23    Gee, let's run a list of skiers and skates who died in the past week
        or two:
        2/12: Nodar Kumaritashvili
        2/25: C. R. Johnson.
        Who else?
        \_ 2/25 my desire to give a damn
        \_ What is your point? Skiing is dangerous. Sliding down a chute of ice
           at 90 mph is dangerous.
           \_ But I don't usually hear about one death every two weeks in the
              news.  -- OP
              \_ gee that's interesting.
              \_ They only reported Johnson's death so widely cuz: skiing is in
                 the news for the olympics, and Julia Mancuso knew him and
                 tweeted about his death before her last GS run.
                 \_ I see.  -- OP
2009/9/9-15 [Recreation/Dating, Politics] UID:53352 Activity:kinda low
9/9     Dear poster with a cat who got screwed by a
        selfish military-woman:
        What's going on? Are you in good terms with that
        military-woman? Or have you severed your relationship
        with her? What is she like in real person? What is her
        nephew like? Did she marry a blue-collar worker?
        \_ Why do you want to know all of this?
           \_ I want to know how you deal with scumbags. I know a bunch of
              scumbag "friends" and I need to deal with them myself. Also
              we gave you advice. Don't you feel the least bit kind enough
              to share your knowledge?
2009/7/6-16 [Science, Politics] UID:53115 Activity:nil
7/6     In arithmetic, repeated "plus" is "times", while repeated "times" is
        "to the power".  Is there an operation that stands for repeated "to
        the power"?  My kid asked me and I have no idea.  Thx.
        \- yes, see "up arrow notation". there is a little field of math
           dealing with "rapidly increaseing sequences". from UCB CS you
           may be familar with the POWER of the ACKERMAN FUNCTION for example.
           you also may be interested in RAMSEY THEORY but that is beyond the
           scope of this motd post. UMESH's ex-student Scott Aaronson has a
           good writeup on the WOB about the constrution large numbers.
           \_ Thanks.  -- OP
2009/7/2-15 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:53104 Activity:nil
7/1     Oh the irony. Malcolm Gladwell is mocking someone for making arbitrary
        and capricious "laws" surrounding business behavior:
2009/6/4-5 [Transportation/Car, Politics] UID:53076 Activity:high
6/4     Why do car manufacturers want to close dealerships to save cost?  Are
        dealerships just franchises that are owned by people other than the
        manufacturer?  A franchise losing money isn't losing the manufacturer's
        money, right?
        \_ It is part of Obama's master plan to destroy capitalism and
           make Americans slaves to socialism.
           \_ yeah, shame on him.  capitalism worked so well.  We should of
              abolish SEC and let Wall Street do their things.
        \_ Says the man who knows nothing about how car dealerships work.
           \_ He's obviously asking the question, not making any
              confident assertions.  If you know better, why don't
              you correct him?  As it is, you strike me as acting like
              a dick.
2009/5/6-7 [Politics] UID:52958 Activity:moderate
5/6     If Yao Ming (7'6") and Liu Xiang (6'2") were to race on 100-meter
        track event, who do you think would win?
        \_ uh, my money would be on the world-class track athlete.  -tom
           \_ Agreed. Now, if the race involves multiple turn-arounds,
              Yao Ming might have a chance.
              \_ uh, no.
2022/06/30 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2009/4/29-5/5 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:52921 Activity:low
4/28    Recent email on the CSUA mailing list reminded me of The Dead Alewives:
        \_ Are there any girls there? Are there any girls there?
           \_ Because if there are, I want to *do* them.
        \_ note to anyone over age 13: this video is a waste of time.
           \_ Your lack of humor/empathy/nostalgia speaks volumes.
              \_ it's not the subject matter; it's poorly executed and
                 simply not funny.
           \_ Maybe you have to be <14 or >24 to appreciate this?
2008/10/30 [Politics] UID:51747 Activity:kinda low
10/30   50 Moby Thesaurus words for "SOCIALISM":
        Fabian socialism, Fabianism, Marxian socialism, Marxism, Nazism,
        Saint-Simonism, centralism, collective farm, collective ownership,
        collectivism, collectivity, collegiality, common ownership,
        communal effort, communion, communism, community,
        constitutionalism, cooperation, cooperative society, democracy,
        democratism, fascism, federalism, feudalism, feudality,
        governmentalism, guild socialism, imperialism, kibbutz, kolkhoz,
        monarchism, national socialism, nationalization, neofascism,
        parliamentarianism, parliamentarism, phalansterism, pluralism,
        political principles, profit sharing, public ownership,
        republicanism, royalism, sharecropping, state ownership,
        state socialism, statism, town meeting, utopian socialism
        \_ Fucking constitutionalists
        \_ "royalism"?
2008/10/11-15 [Computer/Companies/Google, Politics] UID:51476 Activity:nil
10/11   What will GOOG report for earnings next week? Good news?
        \_ They will report revenue growth and massive earnings.  GOOG is
           notoriously and intentionally tight-lipped about guidance, which
           means the analyst estimates are all over the place, so it's hard
           to say what people would take as good news.  A lot more may hinge
           on the content of the conference call than on the actual numbers;
           everyone knows they're going to report huge earnings.  Current
           analyst estimates are between 3.7B and 4.16B quarterly revs,
           between 4.46 and 5.39/share earnings.  Personally I think they'll
           have higher revs with in-line earnings: call it $4.5B revs, $5/share
           earnings as a guess.  I hazard no guess as to what the stock will
           do with that information.  -tom
2008/9/29-10/1 [Politics] UID:51324 Activity:nil
9/29    Good bye capitalism, HELLO BARAK COMMUNISM!!!
        \_ You are so cute when you are an idiot.
           \_ hey man, he still supports the bailout. i don't like it one
              bit. -Dem
2008/8/25-30 [Health, Politics] UID:50963 Activity:nil
8/25    Office politics+bickering+unwanted changes = CHAOS + LOTS OF ANGER,
        frustrations etc etc. Is there a drug out there that can
        suppress all of my emotions so that I can be calm and
        intelligent while looking for another job without showing any
        signs of anger and frustration? In another word, if the drug
        helps me play poker, it will probably help with my personal
        and professional life. Thanks.
        \_ How does office politics affect you when you are unemployed, paolo?
        \_ How does office politics affect you when you are unemployed?
           \_ No employment = No job = No office = No office politics
        \_ It's called quitting time.
           \_ One should not quit until he/she finds a second job.
            \_ I've heard than many times, but you know what, I've never
               seen anyone actually get dinged for not having a job when
               they apply (as long as they don't look desperate.)  Plus
               in this field there are 100s of ways to make it look like
               you were self employed.  If you can't game the system you
               deserve to be angry and bitter.
               \_ Note to employers: never hire aspolito
        \_ Daily blowjobs help. You can also probably get your doctor to
           prescribe an anti-depressant or Xanax, though I find that a
           nightly scotch on the rocks works just as well.
2008/8/20-26 [Politics] UID:50914 Activity:nil
8/19    Why is Fedex called Federal Express when it has NOTHING to do with
        the Federal Government? And why is UPS United Parcel Service with
        a pseudo government official looking symbol when it has nothing to
        do with United States or the government? Shouldn't there be a law
        against private companies abusing government sounding names?
        \_ First National Bank, National City Bank, B of A, United Airline,
           NBC, ......  They are just names.  Maybe the Fed can apply for
           trademark protection.
        \_ I heard that the National Bank of Nigeria offers a very
           high interest rate.
        \_ الله أَكْ!
2008/8/1-8 [Science, Politics] UID:50753 Activity:nil
8/1     "The power to bargain for higher wages, a power that we assume was
        dismantled, may not be so feeble"
        -Richard Fisher, President, Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas
        I doubt it.  Calm down, Skippy. -me
2008/7/12-14 [Politics] UID:50548 Activity:nil
7/12    From the WSJ Editorial Page (is it getting better recently):
        "But the minister, .. added fuel to a mounting political furor by
        revealing the existence of a previously secret bureaucratic body,
        called the Interdepartmental Working Group on Cartoons.
        ... [It had] been set up after the 2006 Danish cartoon crisis to alert
        Dutch officials to any risks the Netherlands might face. [...]  Headed
        by a senior bureaucrat from a national agency coordinating
        counterterrorism, it draws from the intelligence service, the
        interior minister, the prosecutor's office and various other
        government bodies."
        Even Kafka couldn't make this kind of shit up.
        \_ It is laughable, but hey publishing those stupid cartoons let
           the danish imams stir a bunch of shit up and a few people died.
           \- lets talk about a flag burning amendment instead.
2008/7/3-8 [Politics] UID:50457 Activity:nil
7/3     Retired Marine shoots armed robbers
        \_ In 2007. Sorry, why is this coming up now?
           \_ Why not?
              \_ because it's not news?
                 \_ Dude, this is the MOTD, the last link I followed (about
                    cops and IQ tests wasn't even from this DECADE).  Still,
                    it's news to someone. (including probably the poster)
        \_"He should not have taken the law in his hands," said Rosa Jones,
           Gadson's grandmother.
          \_ she had plenty of opportunities to take the law into her own
             hands and turn him in earlier
2008/6/27-30 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo, Politics] UID:50397 Activity:nil
6/27    "North Pole Could be Ice-Free This Summer - Yahoo! News:"
        \_ And saying what *might* be, but what we'll know for sure in a few
           months doesn't belong in "news".
2008/6/12-13 [Politics] UID:50245 Activity:nil
6/12    When is the iPhone 3G coming out? Where can I find news on when
        it'll be out? ok thx.
        \_ July 11, google news
2008/6/11-13 [Politics] UID:50225 Activity:nil
6/10    So what did YOU do with your ECONOMIC STIMULOUS CHECK?
        \_ I invested in Exxon, took my earnings from there and reivnested in
           the triple crown race, picked the first place horse, and now I'm
           trying to decide which island to retire on.  How about you?
        \_ I didn't get one, you insensitive clod!
        \_ Applied it retroactively to my purchase of a 40" HDTV.
        \_ Tattoos
        \_ took spelling lessons
2008/5/21-23 [Science, Politics] UID:50019 Activity:nil
5/21    How does surge protectors that removes power for devices on
        standby work? My VCR needs power or else it loses the clock
        and beeps everytime I turn it on. If power are cut then it
        doesn't really work for me. I have other devices that needs
        power or else it will lose its setting. Or do these devices
        still supply power but at a very low setting?
2008/4/30-5/2 [Politics] UID:49857 Activity:nil
4/30    inventor of LSD dies at 102!  good job.
        \_ No he didn't die.  It was just your hallucination.
        \_ "Timothy Leary's dead. No, no, no, no, He's outside looking in."
        \_ Timothy Leary's dead.
           No, no, no, no, he's outside looking in.
           Timothy Leary's dead.
           No, no, no, no, he's outside looking in.
           Hell fly his astral plane,
           Takes you trips around the bay,
           Brings you back the same day,
           Timothy Leary. Timothy Leary.
           (What asshat deleted this? Google it if you don't understand
            the reference.)
2008/3/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics] UID:49529 Activity:nil
3/21    Obama: "Typical white [people]" are racist.  Thanks for clearing that
        up, Obama.
        link:csua.org/u/l3d (us news)
        http://csua.org/u/l3e (full quote at NRO)
        \_ and?
           \_ And Obama's a racist, who's been going to a racist church for 20
              \_ WHITEY MUST PAY!
        \_ Well, we are.  Typical [insert whatever adjective you want, or
           not] people are racist.
           \_ I am wondering why this obviously true statement is
        \_ Oh nice, more out of context slime!  How about we talk about real
           issues, like the economy or the war?
        \_ "The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred
           to be that way"
           "typical white person....there is a reaction that has been bred into
           our experiences"
           \_ Breeding can be cultural instead of genetic.  And do you deny
              that there's a lot of racist white people?  Yeah some minorities
              (or members of minorities) are "good ones" but that doesn't mean
              they aren't racist.  Racism exists in almost everyone.  Not
              letting racism control you is what is really imporant.
              \_ Not to mention that "behavior" and "physical traits" imply
                 much different ideas in the context of "breeding"
              \_ Jimmy the Greek was fired for his statement, and pretty much
                 shunned everywhere.
                 \_ And your point?
           \_ He's being misquoted. "bred into our experiences": he is saying
              everyone has prejudices based on their experiences. If you see
              green berries are poisonous but blue ones taste good, you might
              think all green berries are poisonous. It's human nature. He's
              not using bred in the genetic sense. It's kind of jumbled and
              I haven't seen the original source but he apparently means
              "we have reactions that our experiences have bred in us, that
              don't go away, and can come out in the wrong way." "Breed" has
              a generic meaning in addition to literal sexual reproduction.
2008/3/4-7 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:49332 Activity:low 75%like:49331
3/4     gary gygax, dead
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/3aur7a (laughingsquid.com)
        \_ http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/03/04
        \_ He must have missed his saving throw.
        \_ http://www.corpcity.com/strips/dnd.gif
        \_ http://xkcd.com/393
2008/3/4 [Politics] UID:49331 Activity:nil 75%like:49332
3/4     gary gygax, dead
2008/2/29-3/1 [Politics] UID:49307 Activity:moderate
2/29    Socialism promotes state ownership of capital/industry.
        What do you call a system which promotes personal ownership of
        it? i.e. design measures to make more people own the business
        in which they work. That might involve limitations on how much
        any one individual may be allowed to own in capital, thus
        enforcing more widespread ownership. Promote competition and
        market effectiveness by acting against consolidation and
        in favor of small businesspeople. Instead of neo-feudal
        corporate peasants, limit the power of corporations in favor
        of worker cooperatives.
        \_ Where are you pasting this stuff from?
        \_ "Privitazation"?  Or just plain o' "capitalism"?
2007/9/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics] UID:48095 Activity:nil 60%like:48092
9/18    Shades of Andromeda Strain:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ftvyg (Yahoo! News)
2007/8/29-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics] UID:47796 Activity:nil
8/29    a rare tale of survival in China's coal mines, the world's deadliest,
        where an average of 13 workers are killed every day.
        \_ racist
           \_ Oh, no, the mines are equal opportunity death traps.
        \_ Ate coal, huh?  How many calories in 100 grams of coal?
           \_ I would imagine quite a lot, or it wouldn't be such a good fuel.
              However, whether theyre digestable or not is another question...
2007/8/21-22 [Politics, Politics/Domestic] UID:47680 Activity:low
8/21    "Poll: White youths happier than others"
        "Sex: Sixty percent of white youths are happy with their sex lives,
        compared with 46 percent of minorities. Both groups are about equal on
        the sexual activity scale."
        Why?  Because the white guys get all the H01 4ZN CH1X!  Damn it!
        (Never mind the white gals who responded in the survey.)
        \_ white people happier than non white people?  woah.
           \_ The article addresses youths only.  "Carpenter, one of the
              survey participants, spoke for the majority of minority youths
              who feel their race will not cause problems later in life."
        \_ it's annoying that the article doesn't give number for asians.
2007/8/17-20 [Politics] UID:47635 Activity:low
8/17    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=473088648&play=1
        Jim Cramer, reacting to 50bp drop in discount rate:
        "We will go to 14,500 by year-end"
        \_ looks like the fed is doing a lot. HALF PERCENT baby
           \_ you know it was to the discount rate, not the fed funds rate.
              the response was to the change in bias, the expectation of a
              discount rate cut soon - the "half percent" was for the unwashed
           \_ you know it was to the discount rate, not the fed funds
              rate. the response was to the change in bias, the
              expectation of a discount rate cut soon -
              the "half percent" was for the unwashed masses
2007/8/15-20 [Politics] UID:47617 Activity:kinda low 60%like:47604
8/15    Fixed.  please stop restoring last weeks' dead posts.
        \_ 8/13 is not last week, ass.
           \_ whatever. dead threads are dead threads. deal with it.
              anything that hasn't had a reply in 24 hours is dead.  are
              you new here?
              \_ You know that soda was down for a substantial part of the last
                 24 hours, right?
                 \_ Yes, and?
                    \_ It's pretty damn hard to get a reply if the machine is
                       down.  Are you just stupid?
                       \_ Nothing that recent was deleted.  "Are you just
                          \_ Yes, something that recent was deleted.
                             \_ But not by me.  Time to get over it and grow
                                some balls: repost it or forget about it but
                                stop crying over a stupid motd post like a
                                4 year old who had the wings fall off her toy
                                pony.  Was your pony purple?  Did it have a
                                unicorn's horn, too?  Sheesh.
              \_ I just replied to one of those and you deleted it. Are you
                 an ass? (yes)
                 \_ I did not delete it; I'm not the only one here, so get
                    over your big bad self.  I've had posts flat out censored
                    because someone didn't like my opinion so I simply
                    reposted.  You can grow up and deal with someone else
                    deleting your reply to something from 2+ days ago by
                    either reposting that section or just moving on like an
                    adult would.  Tiny violins are playing in heaven right now
                    over your dead post.
2007/8/8-13 [Politics, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:47564 Activity:nil
8/8     Feminine guys better for long-term love: study - Yahoo! News:
2007/7/19-21 [Health, Politics, Recreation/Dating] UID:47343 Activity:kinda low
7/19    After you try sex without condom, everything else is like...
        watching Gigli (the movie). Blah!
        \_ Hint: Caucasian girls are more likely to take the pills.
        \_ Is this condom guy? Did you finally get your wish of
           condomless sex? Congratulations!
           \_ Good news: Yes, he did
              Bad news: It was with a guy.
              \_ Good news: he's not a father!
2007/7/12-16 [Politics, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:47273 Activity:nil
7/12    spamassassin like dead/ineffective?
        \_ fuck it. .forward to @gmail.com
           \_ Or use Thunderbird.
        \_ works great for me.
2007/7/10-11 [Politics, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:47243 Activity:nil
7/10    See Michael Moore's hissyfit on CNN!
        \_ MM?  Who cares?
2007/7/9-13 [Politics] UID:47231 Activity:nil
7/9     Respondents were split over the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision rejecting
        the use of race as a factor in voluntary integration efforts. About 32
        percent approve of the decision, 36 percent disapprove and 32 percent
        said they don't know. But the idea of race more broadly being a factor
        in education or business is a solidly unpopular one. Eight in 10 (82
        percent) of adults say race should not be allowed as a factor in making
        a decision about employment or education; only 14 percent think it
        should be a factor. This opposition stretches across racial lines: 86
        percent of white adults and 75 percent of minority adults oppose the
        use of race as a factor in deciding on employment or education.
        \_ I deleted this along with a bunch of other stuff because no one
           replied.  Maybe if you had added something to discuss instead of
           just quoting random numbers?
           \_ I thought it was interesting even though no one replied.  It's
              good to see that there's broad support for a merit-driven
              color-blind society.  Now if only we could force Ivy-league
              schools to stop "legacies" and pay less attention to $$--or
              force them to adopt a policy requiring exponentially
              increasing fees as the fitness of the candidate for admission
              drops.  I.e., 1600 SAT 4.0GPA gets in free, 1100 SAT 3.0GPA
              needs to pay $1M.
              \_ Nice idea, but it's awful hard to ignore cold, hard cash.
              \_ You haven't considered the obvious problem with assuming
              \_ You haven't considered the obvious problem with assumping
                 GPA and test results correlate with 'admission fitness,'
                 whatever that means. -- ilyas
2007/6/26-28 [Politics/Domestic/President, Politics] UID:47074 Activity:nil
6/26    'Power Couples' Meet in Cities, Study Finds - Yahoo! News:
2007/6/15-19 [Reference/Law, Politics] UID:46974 Activity:nil
6/15    Those who have graduated grad/business/law/med school: do you keep
        your papers (handouts, lecture notes, homeworks, etc.) from school?
        I'm trying to decide whether to do so or not. Thanks.
        \_ In general, don't bother. What good is your h/w going to do you?
           Keep your good texts and some relevant lectures. If you're
           a law school grad then keep it all until you pass the bar.
           \_ Here is how I look at it: if you know in the back of your
              mind you are going to throw it away in 5 yrs, and there is
              no "inflection event" between now and then [bar exam], just
              throw it away now and save yourself the hassle of carting it
              around for 5 yrs. I suppose some stuff you could digitize.
              I cant read half of my notes, and I cant understand most of
              the math and physics any more. But I keep textbooks and a
              fair number of readers. Those can be stored efficiently.
              Now that you can buy the entire history of the New Yorker and
              such for $100, no need to keep things like that either.
        \_ I recycled almost all of my paper notes from law school
           and I sold most of my books (except for Con Law and Patents).
           Most of my outlines were on my computer so I kept those for
           future reference. I don't have anything from ug any more
           except my 7 series text, my chem 1a text, and my CLR and I
           only have the 7 series text b/c the bookstore wouldn't buy
           the damn thing back since a new edition came out right after
           I finished 7c.
2007/5/25-28 [Politics] UID:46757 Activity:nil
5/25    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead
        Is George Lucas a member of LDS?  Nauvoo sounds
        suspiciously like Naboo.
        \_ Nauvoo is derived from Hebrew.  Meaning "beautiful". -emarkp
           \- lucas has a lot of proper nouns that sort of sound like
              some word from latin, sanskrit etc. e.g. you dont have to
              be a classics scholar to know "sidious" is a bad guy. dooku
              my be from "dukka" ... for unhappiness, suffering etc.
              \_ I thought it was from "dookie"
                \_ Ugh I forgot about Count Dookie.  Lucas is obviously
                   surrounded by yes-men.
                   \- oota boota loocas
2007/2/23 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:45808 Activity:high
2/23    I hope I kick this much ass when I'm 70
        \_ If you can't kick this much ass today, you won't be able to at 70
           \_ Unless you take my class now!  Just $19.95 a lesson!
        \_ Way to go!  That guy retired from the military.  I bet the average
           sodan can't do this even at the present age.
           \_ Hard to say.  I only know one person who has KILLED A MAN
              WITH HIS BARE HANDS.
              \_ Is this from the Chuck Norris Facts list?
              \_ I thought they didn't know what weapon Hans used.  -tom
2007/2/23-27 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Politics] UID:45800 Activity:nil
2/23    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr23tpWX8lM
        Lock Bumping. 90% of the locks can be opened easily with this
        \_ O Motd, benificent, what locks are recommended to avoid this?
           \_ The video mentions Medeco and Primus
              \_ If you listen carefully, it also mentions Schlage. -dans
2007/2/6-8 [Science/Electric, Politics] UID:45672 Activity:nil
2/6     does a dead light bulb draw power?
        \_ No.  No current flows, ergo no power.  (motd physics nerds
           please correct me if I am in error). -dans
           \_ the reason i ask is i think there might be some
              current slow in a dead flourescant.
              \- 1. Fluorescent lamps often "partially" die, rather than it
                    being a binary thing
                 2. there are different kinds fo fluorescent bulbs and
                 so given one and two, there are quite a few "failure modes"
                 for fluorescent lamps. whether or not they draw power
                 depends on the situation. with incandescent bulbs however,
                 usually the failure is a filament break, which means you
                 have an air gap and this no currently flow ... how if you
                 have a fucked up socket of some kind, who knows.
        \_ No.  No current  balls.
        \_ Even in a dead flourescent, the transformer in the socket will still
           draw some power.  Think of how plugged in AC adapters are warm even
           if the device is off.
2006/10/31-11/1 [Politics] UID:45058 Activity:nil
10/31   Wiki used to share information between U.S. intelligence agencies,
        and to create National Intelligence Estimates.
        Top-secret wiki has 28,000 pages, 3,600 users.  Also wikis for
        secret and sensitive material.  Duh.
2006/9/21-24 [Politics, Finance/Investment] UID:44488 Activity:nil
9/21    Dear socialists. Please stop your childish mockery of the
        invisible hand. It is getting old.         -free market supporter
        \_ You are a tool, and are the reason it's fun to mock free market
           supporters.  The ideas of free market economics outlasted the
           USSR, have spread across the globe, and have won out again and again
           in the brutal international marketplace of ideas.  They can also
           survive The Hand that Wanks the Motd, and they can survive without
           your whining.
           \_ why don't we abolish SEC, EPA, FDA, FAA, and  National Highway
              Safety Board, let the market decide the minimum safety
              requirements and insider trading?
           \_ The proletariat will rise up and crush you, capitalist running
              dog.  --mao
              \_ the reason why I am a leftist is precisely this.  if we don't
                 try to narrow the gap between the rich and poor, at some
                 point proletariats will rise up.
           \_ Actually, you're wrong.  There are almost no pure free markets.
              In the "market of ideas", the winner is really that the best
              economic system is a mix of free market and gov't regulation.
              Extremism in either direction causes much suffering.
              \_ I'm not advocating pure free markets, or any other economic
                 system.  I'm just pointing out that op's whining is idiotic.
                 I didn't start this idiotic thread.
        \_ The invisible hand can not be resisted.  --the invisible hand
2006/8/27-29 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Politics] UID:44162 Activity:nil
8/27    The Schools of Information and Law are offering a seminar on Open
        Source this semester:
        \_ Are they charging for the information or just support?
           \- FYI: steve weber, whose book on open source seems to be
                   at the core of the syllabus, is a prof in the
                   political science dept here ... his area, curiously
                   enough, is international relations. very sharp guy.
                   although he never returned a paper i loaned him.
        \_ "School of Information" and "iSchool" are both stupid names.  -tom
2006/8/26-28 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics] UID:44158 Activity:nil
8/26    CNN will replay 9/11/2001 footage on 9/11/2006
        \_ Unless there's another attack.
        \_ I won't see it.  I'll be flying on a trans-pacific flight on
           9/11.  I thumb my nose at you paranoid freaks.
           \_ Are there any discounted fares?
2006/8/24-25 [Politics] UID:44141 Activity:low
8/24    I'm a colored man and I've never been outside of the West Coast and
        East Coast. Are the white folks there tolerant of outsiders? Are
        they more racist than Californians?
        \_ Where is there?
           \_ That unspeakable place which is not the East or West Coast I'd
                \_ Well, I'd expect Chicago to be pretty non-racist, but
                   Memphis, TN to be pretty racist.  All non-east/non-west
                   is not the same.
                   \_ I've seen plenty of racism right here in the lovely
                      SF Bay Area.  All places have people and people are
                      just what they are.
                      \_ True, but then, I've haven't heard any stories
                      \_ True, but then, I've never heard of any recent stories
                         of people being chained behind a pickup truck and
                         and dragged along the pavement until dead in SF/BA
                         because of skin color.
                         \_ No, just beaten to death b/c (s)he's transgender
                            \_ point.
2006/7/13-18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics] UID:43665 Activity:nil
7/13    Do you believe that in this world, there is good or evil?
        good: .
        evil: ..
        stupid: ...
        \_ first, please define good and evil.
           \_ ob dubya == good, suiciders == evil
             \_ but from some points of view, dubya = evil, suiciders = good
        \_ What does that mean?  Can't there be both?
        \_ No. There is only good or evil. Come on, most of the Americans
           learned this shit in grade school. Let me give you a few examples.
           -Jesus Christ good, athiesm evil.
           -America good, Al Qaeda evil
           -Freedom good, North Korea and Iraq Evil.
           -Family value good, gay marriage evil.
           -Capitalism good, socialism evil.
           -Pro-life good, abortion evil.
           -George Bush good, Sadam Hussein evil.
           -SUV good (freedom), conservation evil (letting terrorists win)
           -Border patrol good, immigrants evil.
           Everyone seems to get it these days. But if you need to relearn
           this shit, please report to your nearest Homeland Security Agency
           \_ To be sort of fair, there are plenty of morons who flip several
              of those bits but keep the same binary view.  The actual state
              of the bits is not what makes them morons.
              \_ This is really really cool and well-stated.  Thanks.  -John
        \- you do if you've been indoctrinated into certain belief systems.
           Christians and Muslims tend to be ethnocentrist, whereas
           overly educated academics tend to be relativists. In another
           word religious phreaks are opinionated and academics are
           wishy-washy, and you should not pay attention to either one.
        \_ No, good an evil are subjective.
           \_ To a degree.  -John
2006/5/24-28 [Politics, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:43171 Activity:nil
5/23    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196686,00.html
        Stop apologizing for being white or any racial group identified
        on a government checklist.
        \_ The article itself is rather poorly written IMHO, but this link
           to the Seattle Public Schools Definitions of Racism is astounding.
           For example, personal freedom is racism. Wha???
           For example, advocating personal freedom is racism. Wha???
           \_ Where does it say that?
              \_ Under Institutional Racism: "...emphasizing individualism
                 as opposed to a more collective ideology..." (I made a
                 small change to my previous post to make it more exact.)-pp
2006/3/29-31 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics] UID:42515 Activity:nil
3/29    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060329/ap_on_sc/smart_brains
        Smart kids' brain may mature later than dumber kids. Horray
        for all immature men on Soda! You may all turn out to be
        smart kids later in your life.
        \_ great, still waiting for my foreskin to retract.
2006/3/25-27 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics] UID:42423 Activity:low
3/24    http://dribbleglass.com/interview
        An Interview With God
        \_ <DEAD>www.godhatesamputees.com<DEAD> is more fun
        \_ Hey Mormons, what do you guys think about this?
        \- While the creator [of the WEEB site, not The Creator] seems to be
           having fun with most of the answers, he seems to think the 3 words
           advice at the end is a serious bit of moral philosophy. But it's
           not so simple, otherwise one of the large brains since Plato would
           have figured this out. In fact that bit of advice is "less powerful"
           than the Golden Rule ... the negative prescription doesnt address
           what are your affimative obligations to others, the fact that human
           evil is not the only source of harm [natural catastrophe, disease],
           or the problem of what do about those who will not follow that
           dictum [just war, law], nor how to allocate resource, a large
           problem in the area of ethics in public policy.
           \_ Power Schmouer, I prefer my moral platitudes to be *right* rather
           \_ Power Shmouer, I prefer my moral platitudes to be *right* rather
              than powerful.  Just because some weak willed tool WANTS someone
              to keep him from falling off the wagon (by rule of law or
              whatever other means), or keep the dangerous ideas of communists
              or Satans out of his head, does not mean I want him doing that
              unto me.  Some of us prefer the Confucian version of the golden
              rule, and see it's lack of "power" as a plus.   -phuqm (!top)
              \- i am not sure what your interpretation of "power" here
                 is but i mean it in the sense of "theoretical power",
                 meaning it covers a lot of cases, as opposed to being
                 narrow or situational.
                  \_ My intent, was to use *your* definition, which, tnx, I
                     didn't really need you to define.  1) because i got it.
                     2) because it doesn't matter, almost regardelss, my point
                     is going to stand.  "breadth", or any other characteristic
                     of the western golden rule you want to hold out as a
                     positive characteristic is less important to me than the
                     fact that I *don't want* people doing unto me just becuse
                     they would have me do unto them.  Get it?
              rule, and see it's lack of "power" as a plus.  Anyway, the vast
              majority of world problems would in fact be taken care of if
              people managed (they could not) to "do no harm." As for resources,
              The majority of famines in this day and age can be linked to
              political causes as opposed to natural scarcity. -phuqm (!top)
                     they would have me do unto them.  Get it?  Those cases
                     where it applies but "do no harm" doesn't, I often don't
                     like it's implications. -phuqm
2006/3/15-16 [Politics] UID:42240 Activity:low
3/14    John, email me re: military sound effects.  Quoth my roommate Mike:
        ``ii have about two discs worth of military sound effects'' -dans
        \_ Why don't you just write him directly you weirdo. And BTW I'm
           pleasantly surprised you didn't find a way to stick in a "oh by
           the way I hate tom" spiel as you've done so well
           in the past few days
           \_ Wow.  You're a cunt.  Try signing your posts so I know who I'm
              calling a parasitic bottom feeding cunt. -dans
              \_ You seem to be enjoying being arumentative. -!op
              P.S. Do you make a regular habit of talking to people like that
              in person?  Do you get beaten regularly for it, or do you get
              away with it because you're big and buff?
              \_ You seem to be enjoying being arumentative. [sic] -!op
                 \_ Maybe.  Or maybe the motd is an argumentative place, and
                    the fact that I usually sign my posts biases your
                    observation. -dans
           \_ Because my soda account bounces all mail, and he probably does
              not know my main emamil address.  Lay off.  -John
              not know my main email address.  Lay off.  -John
2006/2/24 [Science, Politics] UID:41983 Activity:high
2/22    [ nuked as promised.  FEEL THE POWER! ]
        \_ Your ultimate ninjaness is exceeded only by your wisdom.
        \_ Please explain why anyone gives a shit about this long, context-
           free excerpt or I'm nuking it.  You have till 23:59 2/23 -dans
           \_ I'm glad I have provided a tiny forum for you to exercise
              your ultimate ninja power!
              \_ No, if I had ultimate ninja power, I could kill anyone I
                 wanted!  I could cut off the op's head and not even think
                 twice about it.  Though that is a tempting option, I've
                 already thought about it three times.  Clearly, I lack
                 ultimate ninja power. -dans
                 \_ You mean REAL ULTIMATE POWER!
                    \_ AWESOME POWER!  NO CONTROL!
                       \_ No, I mean REAL ULTIMATE POWER.
        \_ Wow it would be cool to be a leader of a cult and wake up one
           morning and decide something like "hey red is good" and tell your
           underlings everyone should wear red and pretty soon millions of
           sheeple are wearing red every day.
           \_ Take off that red shirt!
              \_ Old jungle saying: Never wear red shirt.
2006/2/16-17 [Politics, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:41883 Activity:nil
2/15    You sunk my Imperial Star Destroyer!
2006/2/15 [Politics] UID:41858 Activity:nil
2/14    [racist junk purged]
2006/1/26-28 [Politics] UID:41550 Activity:nil
1/26    This ghetto-ization of politics to the bottom of the motd is
        tiresome and boring. Knock it off.
        \_ What does that mean?
           \_ Someone is moving the political threads to the bottom of motd.
              \_ I don't know about you, but that's actually a good thing.
                 Politics IS ghetto and deserves to be ghettoed. -not the op
                 \_ That's one opinion.
2006/1/25 [Politics, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:41520 Activity:nil
1/25    is VMWare any good? have a job possibility there but
        dont want to end up in a dead ender..
        \_ From what I've seen, their server products are really taking off.
2005/11/28 [Politics] UID:40747 Activity:nil
11/26   Let's say I buy a plasma or LCD. Are dead pixels under
        warranty, and for how long? It'd really suck if I get something
        only to find annoying dead pixels later.
        \_ All manufacturers have different policies for how many dead pixels
           you need to be eligable for a warranty replacement.  They are
           generally pretty tight-lipped about what the threshold number is,
           but a few will advertize a zero-pixel defect policy.
2005/11/18-21 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Health, Politics] UID:40648 Activity:nil
11/18   To whoever posted http://urbandead.com here, you rule.  -John
        \_ Agreed. What's your handle and where are you? I wanna come kill you.
        \_ The game sucks!  I became a zombie already.
           \_ Who else plays this?  Is there a limit to how much you can carry?
              Is there any point keeping low value (0 value?) things like
              multiple wirecutters?
2005/11/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics] UID:40449 Activity:nil
11/4    Huge Iceberg Breaks Apart in Antarctica - Yahoo! News
        \_ USA USA USA!
2005/9/7-9 [Computer/SW/Security, Politics] UID:39549 Activity:nil
9/7     Awesome, London's mayor thinks the bombers families should be
        allowed to attend the national memorial service for the victims.
        \_ I think it's a good gesture.  Or shall the sins of the father be
           visited upon the son, and his son, and further unto 5 generations?
           \_ Ob affirmative action.
           \_ It would be a nice gesture if the victim's families invited
              them (highly unlikely), not the frinkin' mayor.  Inviting
              the murder's family to the victim's funeral is asking for
              \_ True, but it's suicide 'victims' too.
2005/8/18-22 [Politics] UID:39170 Activity:nil
8/18    "Both our children have left the village to work in the cities.
        The central government leaders just care about themselves -
        not about the masses, not about the people." Yao Min, Guizhou Province
        <DEAD>tinyurl.com/5kql3<DEAD> (BBC News)
        Ah, the wonders of Capitalism. Fuck your neighbours and help yourself
        \_ Great Leap Forward.
        \_ From the last page: "Someone from Hebei province tried to buy our
           land a few years ago, and the government just closed their eyes
           so we had to buy it back ourselves."  Huh?
2005/7/21-23 [Computer/Companies/Apple, Politics] UID:38745 Activity:low
7/21    Any recommendations for G4 Powerbook car charger? How about solar?
        You right wing crazies: do you want to overturn Mapp v. Ohio too
        and go back to Weeks v. US or Wolf v CO.
        \_ A friend of mine has the Kensignton universal adapter and he
           likes it:
           Re Mapp - think that it was rightly decided b/c I fundamentally
           mistrust the gov and think that the power of the gov over the
           people should be very limited.
           \_ I agree to a ceertain extent, but I would add that the purpose
              of government is to protect the rights of the people against
              the physical and economic tyranny of the few.
              \_ What does economic tyranny mean? -- ilyas
                 \_ I'm guessing he means Big Bad Bill Gates forcing him
                    to run Windows in order to play DX10 games.
2005/7/18-19 [Politics, Politics/Foreign] UID:38691 Activity:nil
7/18    OMG LOL WTF: Rupert Murdoch's News Corp buys Myspace for $580m
        http://csua.org/u/cqz (telegraph.co.uk)
2005/7/6-8 [Science, Politics, Science/Electric] UID:38429 Activity:nil
7/5     When I unplug my Uninterruptible Power Supply to simulate power
        outage, it makes this light buzzing sound. Is this normal with UPS?
        \_ it sure is.  UPS is letting you know normal power flow has
           been interrupted, please fix!
        \_ I'd guess this is the result of DC power being converted to AC.
2005/6/21-23 [Politics, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast] UID:38232 Activity:nil
6/21    World's first solar sail in jeapardy: http://csua.org/u/cge
        \_ Does it say anything about the reliability of Russia's ballistic
           missile?  Or is that an outdated missile model no longer used by the
2005/5/10-11 [Politics] UID:37615 Activity:nil 72%like:37618
5/10    Yes!  Romber did not win The Amazing Race!  They were too lucky in
        other legs of the race.  It's about time someone else got the extra
        help needed to win.
        \_ what?
           \_ Rob & Amber from Survivor were on Amazing Race.  They were
              the last of the 3 teams.  As the previous poster said,
              they didn't win.
2005/4/5 [Science, Politics] UID:37070 Activity:very high
4/5     In one line, how do you determine if X is a power of 2?  If you already
        know the answer, please don't answer.
        \_ echo "is X a power of 2?" > mail mrsmartguy@hostname.berkeley.edu
        \_ In one line of what?  If it's one line of C code, I just figured out
           the answer.
        \_ One line doesn't mean what you think it means.
        \_ bool power_of_2 = (x == 1) ? true : (x == 2) ? true : (x == 4) ?
           true : (x == 8) ? true : (x == 16) ? true : (x == 32) ? true : (x ==
           64) ? true : (x == 128) ? true : (x == 256) ? true : (x == 512) ?
           true : (x == 1024) ? true : (x == 2048) ? true : (x == 4096) ? true
           : (x == 8192) ? true : (x == 16384) ? true : (x == 32768) ? true :
           (x == 65536) ? true : (x == 131072) ? true : (x == 262144) ? true :
           (x == 524288) ? true : (x == 1048576) ? true : (x == 2097152) ? true
           : (x == 4194304) ? true : (x == 8388608) ? true : (x == 16777216) ?
           true : (x == 33554432) ? true : (x == 67108864) ? true : (x ==
           134217728) ? true : (x == 268435456) ? true : (x == 536870912) ?
           true : (x == 1073741824) ? true : (x == 2147483648) ? true : false;
           \_ Are you assuming a certain number of bits in an integer?
              \_ Both solutions are nonportable.
              \_ Yes.  I'm mocking the person asking the question.  His
                 question doesn't have an answer.
                 \_ (f && (!(f & (f-1))))
                    And a better way to ask this question is can you
                    determine if a number is a power of two in O(1) time.
                    \_ None of your operations are truly O(1).
                       A naive solution like doing a bunch of & operations
                       is just as O(1) by your criteria.
                       \_ In modern processors all 3 operations
                          ( &, &&, and -) are constant time.
                          That makes it O(1).  The naive solution on the
                          other hand is O(n) where n is the number of bits
                          in an integer.  If you double the width of the
                          integer the time to check doubles.  That's not
                          O(1) in any way shape or form.
                          \_ That's my point. Those operations are only
                             constant time up to a certain number of bits.
                             After that it's going to cost you, e.g. with
                          \_ By the same reasoning, lg(n)<64 so it's constant
                             time as well.
                             \_ I think it is pretty obvious you don't
                                understand bigO notation.
                    \_ So you're assuming unsigned and twos-complement?
                       \_ If it's unsigned, it wouldn't be two's complement,
                          would it?
                    \_ That's what I was looking for but I'm curious if there
                       are smart ways to do it in other languages. -op
                     \_ I'm assuming unsigned.  f>0 is a simple signed check.
                        Twos complement isn't an assumption, as negative
                        numbers aren't ever an issue.
                    \_ -2147483648 is not a power of 2.
                       \_ ((f > 0) && (!(f & (f-1))))  -- !PP
        \_ power_of_2 = (rindex(sprintf(%b, x),'1')==1) ? true : false;
           assuming I put the parenthesis in the right place and x>1?
           of course, I'm a tard and don't really understand bitwise ops.
           \_ Ugh, why do people write "boolExpr ? true : false"?  It's
              redundant.  Is "(boolExpr ? true : false) ? true : false" even
              clearer for you?
        \_ I suspect your solution doesn't actually work.
        \_ Is it safe to say that any solution will take O(n) time considering
           an arbritary number of bits?
         \_ I suspect so, but I'm not sure --person who gave O(1) forumla above
2005/3/24 [Reference/Military, Politics] UID:36855 Activity:low
3/24    Before that day, [10th-grader shot in the hip Cody] Thunder said he
        had talked to Weise several times, even attempting to befriend him.
        "He seemed like a loner, and I just felt like it would be good to go
        talk to him ... [but Weise] talked about nothing but guns and shooting
        people," ... the attempt to reach out didn't result in friendship.
        Weise covered his notebook with military insignia and would change his
        hair, once shaping it into a style "like devil horns or something, "
        ... "I never thought he would come up and try to shoot up the school.
        ... He looked right at me ... I thought he was messing around. I
        thought it was a paint gun or something."
        \_ I heard the statements. The shooter was trying to be evil. He
           found power in acting out his "evil" with the psuedo-goth getup
           and in his statements. It might have started out as an act, but
           eventually led to tragedy. I've wondered why the politicians
           haven't jumped on this given the newfound "Culture of Life" unless
           it has something with the shooter and most of the victims being poor
           and Native Americans.
2005/2/20 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Computer/SW] UID:36337 Activity:nil
2/20    Want to talk about politics? Go to freep or other web sites. jwang,
        you're slacking off and you owe me one.
        \_ Fuck your momma, asshole.
2005/2/16-17 [Politics] UID:36205 Activity:low
2/16    Are military astronauts really former military officers?
        \_ I think they are current military officers.
           \_ Yes, they are currently in the military. Not all astronauts are,
              of course.
        \_ Just go to the Johnson SC website for astronaut bios.
           \_ For the lazy: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/index.html
              They have cosmonauts as well!
        \_ Though the nominee to head NASA is already retired AF and still
           an astronaut (though a "management" astroanut)
2005/2/8-9 [Computer/Domains, Politics] UID:36108 Activity:nil
2/8     Experts: International Domain Names May Pose Threat
2005/1/9-10 [Science/Disaster, Science/Space, Politics] UID:35623 Activity:high
1/9     What does "run aground" mean? -silly sodan
        \_ When a ship or boat goes through water that is not deep enough,
           the bottom of the boat, usually the keel, kits the "ground".
           Typically the boat was moving forward at the time of impact
           and a sudden loss of forward speed produces an uncomfortable
           and a sudden loss of forward speed (lurch) produces an uncomfortable
           sensation at the least, and damage at the most. Depends
           if the bottom is sand or rocks. Big difference..
           \_ Thanks. So does subs have sensors to detect these things?
              \_ The run of the mill sonars you'll find on commercial fishboats
                 give a pretty decent image of the bottom of the ocean, and I'm
                 guessing that a nuclear sub would have something way way
                 better imaging in all directions, not just along the axis
                 of travel of the boat.  Something or someone fucked up, and
                 I'm guessing the real story will not be reported in the news.
        \_ How funny. I thought the same thing when I read the same news article.
              \_ Active sonar maps fairly well.  Subs are often trying to run
                 silent, and active sonar defeats that.  They rely on charing
                 done by surface ships.
                 \_ In sufficiently deep waters there's a certain depth at
                    which sound speed stops decreasing with depth (because of
                    colder water)  and starts increasing (because of increasing
                    pressure).  If you put your sub on the bottom side of this
                    depth it impedes the ability of surface ships to detect you
                    because the change in sound speeds reflects some of your
                    sounds back down.  If you have a ship running silent (with
                    their depth-on-keel gague off) and trying to keep under
                    this fixed depth, you could have a problem if the water is
                    not too deep and there's a charting error.  So... what you
           \_ This is a lot of congecture based largely on Clancy novels
              and watching Hunt for Red October, but I think the difference
              between fishing boat sonar and nuclear sub sonar is that
              fishing boats use active sonar and subs try to stay hidden
              and use passive sonar. With passive sonar, you would rely
              mostly on accurate sea floor maps for navigation. If mis-
              calculate speed, heading, or time then you could be off course
              enough to hit things you are trying to avoid in tight spaces.
              I'm not sure they still use innertial navigation. It definitely
              seems plausible. -saarp
              \_ I believe they use high freq sonar for getting through
                 icy regions without giving themselves away.  Perhaps
                 there's something similar they use for keel depth?
        \_ How funny. I thought the same thing when I read the same news
           \_ what news is this?  -- sodan who get all news from the motd
                \_ I read it on the front page of cnn yesterday.
           \_ Is it something about the South Asia earthquake reshaping seabeds
              because it elevated seafloors and the tsunami moved around ships
              that sank decades ago?
              \- New motto of US submarine fleet: Run silent, Run agound.
                 How did a sailor get killed? ... flung into something by
                 sudden deacceleration?
2004/12/29 [Health/Disease/General, Politics] UID:35478 Activity:insanely high
12/29   Another question, with so many people dead, how do they identify
        them if they don't carry any form of identification?  How many
        of the 80000 is identified?
        \_ They don't. A huge number of bodies are being buried in
           mass graves, in many cases being shoved in by a
           catterpillar truck, because they pose a serious disease
           threat. This is happening by the thousands.
           \_ May they rest in peace....
        \_ Part of the plea for help is for forensic experts and large
           refigeration units for jury-rigged morgues.
           \-i think dealing with the dead bodies is for human/psych/relig
             reasons, not as a source of disease. --psb
                \_ it's for all of those reasons. with tens of thousands
                   of dead bodies, infections are bound to be abundant.
                   \-this is not the primary source of infection. it is
                     fecal matter in water supply. this is not a case
                     of getting rid of the bodies of people who died of
                     an infectious disease [like in the black death or
                     ebola etc].
                     \_ It's also just common sense.  If there's 500 dead
                        dead bodies where you live, are you going to let them
                        sit in the equatorial sun for a week while you dig
                        individual graves?  No, you say a prayer and dump them
                        in a mass grave before the smell gets too horrid.
                        \_ So in other words, it's impossible to tell
                           who had actually died, because just counting
                           the bodies is even sometimes impossible. So I
                           guess if someone is missing, they will be
                           presumed dead unless they are found later? Sad...
                           \_ Note to self: Wait until tsunami hits to carry
                              out murders of people I don't like.  Spelling
                           \_ Note to self: Wait until tsunami hits to cary
                              out murders of people I don't like.  Speling
                              wanker in above entry first on list ...
2004/11/17-18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics] UID:34945 Activity:high 75%like:34910
11/17   Platoon >>> Full Metal Jacket
        \_ I think that if you want to see what viet nam was like in a movie
           made by an actual vet, you should see platoon, but fmj is still
           a classic film for other reasons.
        \_ Apples to oranges, dude.  While both are about the Vietnam War,
           they're very different stories that don't sensibly compare.
        \_ in Vietnam war the US soldiers raped a lot of village
           women and even children. How about Iraq? How many children
           are we raping right now?
                \_ "Easy, just don't lead 'em so much.  Hahaha"  -John
           \_ Nice try for a troll. You get -1 points.
            \_ No, seriously, why is this a troll? Let's ask a few
               fundamental questions. In Platoon the US Army seems very
               unorganized and when you're out in the field you're
               pretty much your own boss and you can do whatever you
               want (rape 10 year old girls, kill their parents, etc).
               Is the US Army still like that nowadays?
               \_ Because you're stupid if you think that the U.S. Army
                  goes around raping children. Nice try at trolling.
                  Better luck nexttime. Don't let the door hit your ass
                  on the way out.
               \_ Are you Chinese?  Do you understand the effect your trolls
                  had on China?
                  \_ the US Army doesn't allow it but it also gives each
                     soldier so much power that he can do whatever he wants
                     when he's on the mission, without anyone watching over
                     him. Now it's pretty damn hard to guarantee that every
                     single soldier knows a thing about ethics isn't it?
                     \_ I wish you'd sign your post. If you really do or did
                        go to Berkeley you must be one of the dumbest sons
                        of bitches ever to attend. One would think that the
                        minimal standards for SAT scores would enforce some
                        sort of common logic within all entering freshman.
                        \_ Dude, he's so clearly got an agenda he's trying to
                           push.  The sorry thing is that he's so fucking
                           transparent about pushing it, and that it's such
                           a lame duck agenda to begin with that no one is even
                           going try to answer is stupidly phrased, poorly
                           researched, clearly biased "thought-provoking"
                           questions.   Christ, this guy is a moron.  And
                           you know what's truly pathetic?  He's probably
                           congratulating himself about 'once again hitting the
                           Americans in the face with their own hypocrisy' when
                           no one bothers to answer his lame provocations. -POC
                           \_ Well, maybe over time he'll learn somethin'.
                              College kids can be pretty unwise. At least he's
                              apparently making some sort of attempt to discuss
                              his lame issues.
                              \_ Yeah, I guess.  I'm not as optimistic, but
                                 hey, I sincerely hope I'm wrong here.   -POC
                     \_ Replace "soldier" with "cop" and you will see why your
                        argument, while making valid assumptions, is basically
                        flawed.  -John
           foreigners can't or usually don't file a complaint against   _/
           soldiers, but citizens do file complaints and they go to
           civil courts. Civil court vs. military court, hmmmm. Oh, and
           thank you for not resorting to name calling like the other
           posters.   -op
           \_ Obviously it is an order of magnitude worth of difference, but
              the similarity lies in the fact that a cop has a lot of de
              facto control over you in a given situation.  Sheriff Cletus can
              seriously cause you problems if he feels like it, even if there
              is eventual recourse.  -John
           \_ John is often cool like that.  I still don't understand why that
              german-john guy gives him such issue.  Oh, and I'll stop
              'resorting' to name calling if you'll actually do some research
              before rudely dissing the service-men and -women who have
              _volunteered_ to put their lives at risk for some abstract
              notion of duty, honor, or just plain pursuit of betterment.
              They've shown more courage than your ill-informed, agenda-driven
              attacks.  -POC
                \_ maybe John should ask what actions he made several
                   years ago that caused someone to hate him/resent him
                   and is now harrasing him. Introspection may help.
                   \_ OK I have engaged in introspection and inspected my
                      navel and I'M SORRY I KILLED YOUR DAD, OK?!? -John
                \_ that homeless guy John threw a rice cooker at got
                   a Soda account - danh
                   \_ Learn how to post to motd.
                   \_ I never threw a rice cooker at anyone.  I dropped a
                      wok off the 4th floor of CZ, and a bunch of the nasty
                      Berkeley ex-hippies who lived across from us got mad.
                      \_ I threw a full sack of potatoes off the top of
                         CZ, because I suspected there was a mouse in it.
                         No one said anything, you unlucky bastard.
                         \_ Heh, I knew a guy that hurled a couch (with help)
                            from the 10th floor of Unit 1 into the RA's little
                            backyard.      -POC
                         \_ Well, nobody said anything about the watermelons,
                            the old PC, Dave Menache's electric guitar, or
                            the several dozen pounds of tomatoes we launched
                            with the 3-man slingshot.  Just the wok.  -John
2004/11/15-16 [Politics] UID:34909 Activity:nil
11/15   Most of you will probably not know who I'm talking about, but for those
        who do, John Balance of Coil is dead.
2004/11/6-7 [Science, Politics] UID:34719 Activity:very high
11/5    http://www.supadubya.com
        \_ fight the power!
         \_ nice idea, but it's probably better if:
            1) someone famous was in it
            2) if it gets on MTV
               \_ Fuck MTV.  I think it's time to buy some RF power amps.
            3) less profanity to get the point more clearly
            4) if it's not rap. acoustic guitar would be nice.
               you want white listeners don't you?
               \_ Most people that listen to rap are white.  But of course
                  you already knew that.
2004/11/4 [Politics] UID:34659 Activity:moderate
11/04   Arafat reported brain dead.  PLO state he is still "alive".  RIP?
        No.  Burn!
        \_ I read an article earlier that said "Now Sharon can't keep
           whining Arafat is standing in the way of progress."
        \_ I'm not dead yet!
        \_ his spirit still endures.. the one ring calls for him..
           \_ hahaha!
           \_ his spirit has lost none of its potency, nor has his dirty
                \_ Someone is obsessed with Arafat's holy panties.
        \_ Damn flip-flopper.  He should decide if he's alive or dead
           and stick with it.
        \_ Now if just that old bastard Sharon will kick the bucket, there
           can be another chance for peace in the Middle East.
2004/10/26 [Politics] UID:34353 Activity:moderate
10/26   Since yesterday's doonesbury link was deleted, here's a somewhat
        more humorous one:
        \_ I don't delete comic links but I don't see a point in posting
           well known ones like doonesbury.  He has a known and very clear
           perspective that some like and others don't.  His fan base is
           static because he already has every reader he's going to get.
           \_ Very true, but yesterday's deleted post was specifically about
              that weird bulge, and how it's starting to get mainstream
              attention.  I wouldn't post it otherwise.
2004/10/14 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics] UID:34126 Activity:nil
10/14   I see lots of post-debate links below.  Rather than respond to
        each one since they all say pretty much the same thing and the
        posters following add nothing new, here's my take: whoever you
        were already voting for is who won for you.  Nothing significant
        happened.  Fox is still slanted right.  The other news channels
        are still slanted left.  Life goes on.
        \_ Watch CNN or MSNBC lately?  They're all Fox-lite now.
        \_ Mr. Obvious but questionably accurate statement man, you also have
           added nothing new.
2004/10/12 [Politics] UID:34059 Activity:nil
10/12   I know some people who truly believe that the government
        was in on 9/11. Does anyone else believe that too? Is this
        old news?
2004/9/20 [Politics] UID:33648 Activity:nil
9/20    Politics vs. Real Life
        \_ http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2004/09/19
2004/9/8 [Science/Physics, Politics] UID:33425 Activity:nil
9/8     Resurrected:
        \_ These are very different ideas.  Belief in an
           impersonal force which refrains from direct
           interaction with the universe admits for the
           possible existence of other metaphysical
           constructs, such as an afterlife.  If you deny
           the existence of anything metaphysical, you are
           stuck with just the physical.
           \_ So you're just kind of hoping for an afterlife. No real
              reasoning behind it. I guess my point is: what's the meaning
              of this possible afterlife? It seems like people just project
              the existential questions of this mortal life into this
              afterlife, and that settles that. But what do you do in that
              afterlife? And if you believe that the universe is running
              purely on physics then your life is tied to the physical
              processes of your body anyway (a soul is not physical).
              Of course, evidence tells this anyway (physical changes
              to the brain and brain chemistry directly affect people's
              minds). Personally I think the human race has the theoretical
              capacity to create "heaven" right here on Earth, and elsewhere.
              We just aren't quite advanced enough, don't focus all our
              energies toward it, and most of us complacently accept the
              standard religious placebos that avoid the question. I like
              to think that we ourselves collectively hold, in some measure,
              the power of our own salvation.
2004/9/3-4 [Recreation/Celebrity, Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Politics] UID:33343 Activity:nil
9/3     "The order of events is still unclear. But one eyewitness has told
        Russian media that one of the many bombs stuck with tape around the
        gym fell and exploded. The roof caved in and hostages started to run.
        The attackers fired at them as they fled, prompting the troops outside
        to shoot back."
        Outside the school:
        "Evidence suggesting that Russian forces had not planned a storming of
        the building could be seen around the two tanks, whose soldiers milled
        about, evidently in confusion after the initial blast, before rallying
        and heading into a battle that continued this afternoon. Only after
        the fighting began did three helicopters appear overhead. There also
        seemed to be a shortage of ambulances at the scene, as the majority of
        the wounded were ferried in whatever could move."
        link:csua.org/u/8x6 (nytimes.com)
2004/9/1-2 [Politics] UID:33287 Activity:high
8/23    Father of the Pride is RACIST! What is it about the white lions
        (the white race) telling the pandas (the 'other' race) that
        pandas should only date pandas? And what is it about the meek
        geeky insecure unattractive panda that happily takes order from the
        white lion? BOYCOTT THIS SHOW!!!
        \_ what the fuck are you talking about?
          \_ I know this is hard to recognize as humor, but there it is.
        \_ come on troll, you can do better than this.  you do know what it
           means to be a species, right?
        \_ FP is just boring and stupid.  Who cares if it's racist?  It'll be
           off the air after a few more bad episodes.
        \_ cuz Pandas are rare and their species would die off if they
         dont mate? so maybe you are the racist?
2004/8/26 [Politics] UID:33155 Activity:very high
8/26    Various random bullshit and dead threads deleted.  No politics pro
        or con anything went into the purge decision.  Just standard cleanup.
        \_ That's not what yermom was saying last night.
           \_ True.  She was pimping yermom out at a nickel a pop.
2004/8/16 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:32922 Activity:nil
8/16    http://LastWishes.com
        \_ yermom
        \_ What is wrong with it? It's a kind program.
        \_ I was thinking about this the other day-- does soda have any policy
           regarding dead members?  Can I elect someone to get my home dir
           upon my untimely demise?
        \_ "This is the biggest con since Genghis!"
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