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3/9     Are ignorant people really happier than overly educated people?
        \_ No idea. --happy
        \_ educated have more to worry about. They have more to lose, and
           they need to work harder to maintain the lifestyle that they're
           accustomed to. So, yes, ignorance is bliss.
           \- i suspect educated people live in circumstances
              where they are exposed to a wider range of life
              circumstances [the prof making $150k/yr whose college
              where they are exposed to a wider range of affulence
              [the prof making $150k/yr whose college
              roommate is a doctor/lawyer/baker] so there is more
              status anxiety. but a bunch of the first wave of
              "happiness" studies didnt really do such a good job
              measuring happiness. things like not having healthcare,
              not having reliable transportation loom pretty large.
              an interesting factoid is: there is a correlation between
              the price of a car and how much people "like" their car
              when asked a question like "how much do you like your
              car", but there is no correlation between price of a
              car and how much people like/dislike their commute.
              you should try to find daniel kahneman's recent
              berkeley lecture on this.
        \_ You might be interested in reading "The Geography of Bliss."
           The Butahni guy he talks to basically postulates that the secret
           to happiness is low expectations.
           \_ This is one of the premises of Buddhism.
              \_ Url to prove this?
                 \_ Umm, do you accept wikipedia entries?
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanha
                    \_ I don't see the word "expectation" in this entry.
                       \_ Are you joking?  What in the world made you think
                          the premises of Buddhism would be expressed in
                          exactly the terminology I used here?  Are you really
                          that dumb?
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanha
Buddhist teachings describe the craving for sense objects which provide pleasant feeling, or craving for sensory pleasures. It also encompasses the negative as in wanting not to have. We can crave for pleasant feelings to be present, and for unpleasant feelings not to be present (ie, to get rid of unpleasant feelings). ha (craving, desire, want, thirst), extends beyond the desire for material objects or sense pleasures. It also includes the desire for life (or death, in the case of someone wishing to commit suicide), the desire for fame (or infamy, its opposite), the desire for sleep, the desire for mental or emotional states (eg, happiness, joy, rapture, love) if they are not present and one would like them to be. If we experience, say depression or sorrow, we can desire its opposite. ha is far-reaching and covers all desire, all wanting, all craving, irrespective of its intensity. citation needed except that that would be too narrow a view. ha tends to include a far broader range of human experience and feeling than medical discussions of addiction tend to include. edit Drawbacks and escape According to Buddhist teachings, craving, or desire, springs from the notion that if one's desires are fulfilled it will, of itself, lead to one's lasting happiness or well-being. Such beliefs normally result in further craving/desire and the repeated enactment of activities to bring about the desired results. ha as much as the natural cessation of it that follows its true and real satisfaction. The problem is not that we desire, but rather that we desire unsatisfactory (dukkha) things, namely sensual pleasures, existence and non-existence.