8/14    Reviews of WebLogic?
        \_it's good but also check out iPlanet, IBM's Websphere,
          and ATG's Dynamo.  These are good too.
          \_ WebSphere Must DIE
                \_ Don't bother with iPlanet and Websphere if you want EJB 1.1
                   It is either WebLogic or Inprise (first tier) or
                   Silverstream and similar crap.
                   Orion/JBoss/Enhydra/whatever (second tier). Avoid PowerTier
                   Silverstream and similar crap. If you just want servlets
                   there are plenty of servlet containers out there besides
                   WebLogic.
        \_ yee haa!!!
        \_ A++.
        \_ valuation++
        \_ don't even consider anything else.
        \_
        \_ BLEAH!  --sysadmin who has to deal with the aftermath everyday
        \_ don't listen to what the sysadmin says.
                \_ Yeah, we just have to keep the shit running after you're
                   done coding for it, so when the black box dies and the
                   site is down for 72 hours while you're trying to get
                   emergency tech support from BEA, you'll remember to listen
                   to the sysadmin next time.  Typical coder monkey wearing
                   blinders on the highway.
                        \_ Ugh it's a process on a box that can't run away
                           with memory and if the application sucks, it's
                           really not up to the admin to deal with it.
                           \_ Let's see, it dies on it's own, it won't serve
                              but still answers the weblogic port, the cluster
                              code is a total cluster fuck, so to speak, and
                              the load balancing plugin for iplanet is total
                              garbage my dog could have written better in his
                              sleep in VB.  Any questions?  And oh yeah,
                              where'd you get the idea it isn't a sysadmin
                              problem if the site crashes?  I want a job at
                              your company.  -sysadmin
             \_ Umm, I am a sysadmin and now i'm worried, is it really more
                difficult to support than, say, DYNAMO? more buggy, etc? -top
                \_ Haven't touch dynamo so I can't compare but I can assure
                   you that weblogic sucks, that $17,000/cpu license sucks,
                   that the license prices are going up soon sucks, and that
                   my company is switching off weblogic ASAP.  That part
                   doesn't suck.  -sysadmin
                   \_ What are you using instead?