10/28   I've used PC&UNIX for most of my life and after trying to use the Macs
        for only a week, I LOVE IT!!! Here's a question for you Mac users--
        has anyone NOT like the Macs after trying them out?
        \_ yes.  i hated those fucking things from the day they came out
           and apple abandoned their last decent line of computers
           (the apple II).  I hate the prices, I hate the interface, I hate
           the look and feel of the desktop, I hate Steve Jobs, and I hate
           the fanatical jerkoffs who seem to get off from telling
           everyone else how great they think macs are. and yes, i have
           been forced to use macs quite a bit at various times in the past.
           \_ I don't know whether to hand you a tissue or a prozac.
        \_ USE PC&UNIX!  LOVE MAC!
        \_ The buttons to close and minimize windows are in the wrong place
           The mouse has ONLY ONE BUTTON!
           \_ you can use a different mouse.
              \_ Not with the laptops unless you don't mind the inconvenience
           \_ I've only need a multi-button mouse for some FPS games, and
              I can easily plug in my favorite trackball for those.  I
              starting using a mac about a year and a half ago and I can't
              say I miss dealing with broken Windows or Unix boxes. -meyers
              \_ hint: macosx is a unix box with a proprietary gui.  what
                 unix boxes have you used?  linux doesn't count.
                 \_ Since you asked: aix, hpux, solaris, freebsd, and linux.
                    I like Apple's UI, and apps that implement to it.  Having
                    each app do it's own thing with the UI makes using it
                    a pain.  -meyers
                    \_ So you prefer that application writers are forced to
                       write apps to whatever the OS says it should be like?
                       Without the ability to create and try new ways of
                       doing things we'll always have the same shitty 1985
                       era GUI forever.  More colors, more pretty bells and
                       shiney whistles but still crap.  And entire new kinds
                       of applications that don't fit that particular
                       highly arbitrary GUI model will never be created.
                       \_ Calm down there.  I do more than open xterms to
                          other machines, so an fvwm-like window manager
                          just doesn't do what I want.  What do you suggest,
                          the crappy microsoft interface?  twm?  bash? -meyers
        \_ Yes.  I once had to work on a whole lab full of G3s and G4s.
           I found MacOS X to be sort of a unix, but sort of broken, like
           waking up and you think you're in normal life, but really you've
           entered the just-oh-so-slightly-reality-shifted dimension of
           evil things.  -John
           \_ So what you're saying is that you didn't like the flavor of
              Unix that came with the Mac.  What did you think of the MacOS
              experience itself? --erikred
        \_ I went back to Mac after years on a PC. I like it, but its tough
           in a PC-centric world. Software is hard to come by and things break
           (e.g. web sites). I like a Mac, but only in *addition* to a PC.
           \_ Yeah, I feel the same way about BeOS.
        \_ expensive, fragile hardware, in-your-face GUI, stupid
           Capitalization in the file system /Home/Users/ or something.
           inefficient form factors. noisy. was the powerMAC G4 nicknamed
           "windtunnel"?  but even with all those issues, new Mac's are way
           better than any PC running Microsoft Windows.
           \_ Better?  That's a funny word.  Care to define what is 'better'
              about it other than a religious anti-Microsoft mantra?
              \_ the browser is standars-complaint, it has SSH and a real
                 command-line environment. The power management is great,
                 the networking is great, it's stable. you can login to
                 your computer remotely using ssh and actually do things.
                 There's ton's of free Open source software that runs on
                 OSX, Apple doesn't have "activation" spyware.