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| 2005/11/24-28 [Transportation/Car, Recreation/Food] UID:40727 Activity:low |
11/23 Bio-diesel from vegetable oils:
http://tinyurl.com/bxt9k (nationalgeographic.com)
\_ This is REALLY COOL, I can't wait till our mighty benevolent
corporations like Chevron and Enron start mass producing
bio diesel.
\_ The energy you get per acre is very small, so even with a free
catalyst it wouldn't be economical. Most of the hype about biofuels
comes from the farming industry seeking subsidies.
\_ or bio-diesel tinkerers who get their vegetable oils as waste
product from the food industry. The supply of that, obviously,
is quite limited. |
| 2005/11/23-28 [Reference/Celebration, Recreation/Food] UID:40708 Activity:nil |
11/23 Vegetarian turkey for Thanksgiving (has sound):
http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=0183913358 |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Science/GlobalWarming, Recreation/Food] UID:40586 Activity:low 76%like:40581 |
11/14 How much of your favorite caffinated beverage would it take to
kill you?
http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine
\_ Interesting. I guess coffee has more caffeine than espresso drinks.
See Starbucks Grande Coffee vs. Grande Mocha's, Per unit volume,
obviously espresso wins, but per drink, coffee wins.
\- "it's the moles that get you"
\_ OMFG, Redline Caffeine drink: http://csua.org/u/e0j (Same site)
\_ http://caffeineweb.com/NASAStudy.htm |
| 2005/10/19-21 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40178 Activity:nil |
10/19 My sister's music is featured at http://NPR.org under 'all songs considered' and can be listened to. The name of the song is 'Take a minute' from her previous CD 'I kid you not'. Her name is Diane Marie Kloba. I hope you enjoy it. -ikiru \_ Congrats! Is she as hot as yermom? \_ See http://www.dianemariekloba.com ... ikiru's mom is currently about to go medieval on Florida. |
| 2005/10/12-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Recreation/Food] UID:40054 Activity:low |
10/12 4,500 year old noodle to go please!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20051012/sc_space/worldsoldestnoodlesalterviewofancientdiet
\_ Man, Chinese food can survive 5000 years? This explains
something about my indigestion problems.
\_ Just more proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's greatness |
| 2005/9/27-28 [Consumer/Audio, Recreation/Food] UID:39894 Activity:nil |
9/27 Copyright dispute over subway maps:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68967,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
\_ Don't compete with our taxpayer funded efforts to disseminate
this information! |
| 2005/9/27-28 [Uncategorized/German, Recreation/Food] UID:39886 Activity:nil |
9/27 Vo ist die restaurant vom Lowe? |
| 2005/9/22-23 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39818 Activity:nil |
9/22 So it turns out that a bungload of British army emergency supplies
and MRE-type food were to be burned as "unfit for human consumption."
I forwarded this to a colleague in the US, who sent it to Feinstein's
office just for shits and grins, and according to what they told him,
nobody'd even heard of this. This makes baby jesus cry.
http://csua.org/u/dgx -John
\_ The end of this article reads:
'The FDA said: "We did inspect some MREs (meals ready to eat) on
September 13. They are the only MREs we looked at. There were 70
huge pallets of vegetarian MREs.
"They were from a foreign nation. We inspected them and then
released them for distribution."' |
| 2005/9/21-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:39792 Activity:low |
9/21 Why is the Chinese black egg black? Is it safe to eat? What chemical
compound made it black? It looks like lead, but it's yummy.
\_ You mean thousand year old egg? I think that's duck egg preserved
in tea.
\_ It's funny that the thousand year old egg was featured in Fear
Factor. When I saw that episode, I'm like "I'll eat it without
a prize."
\_ Koreans sometimes soak hard boiled eggs in watered down soy
sause. They turn brown. Those are pretty tasty too.
\_ The Japanese do something similar for oden. Cf. the egg in
vinegar science trick. (The egg in oden is not as rubbery...)
\_ Let me tell you something *REALLY* scary... *TRADITIONALLY* those
'thousand year old egg' was made by marinating the egg in
*HORSE PISS*. No, I am not kidding. We don't do it in horse
piss anymore, if you are really interested in this, I can find out.
It bothers me that how my ancestors one day came up with this idea
"let me soak egg in this and see how's taste..."
\_ Well it's not as bad as the famous Shit Eating German porn.
\_ I have a guess as to why urine was pissed. A disgruntled
chef in the Dynasty thought it'd be funny to serve the
emperor egg that is dipped in urine. It turns out the
emperor liked it so much that it's an official dish.
Uh, seriously though, that's just an urban legend. Black
eggs are black because of charcoal, tea, and other things.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20011114.html <-- see?
\_ Like how we grow mushrooms on cold horse shit?
\_ No way, you're shitting me!!!
\_ MOVE OVER GERMANY!!!!1!!
\_ Nothing beats your Shit Eating German porn. How the hell
did you guys come up with that stuff. It is just sick.
\_ I hate to sound like a freak, but piss in general has a lot of
really useful properties (all that ammonia, etc.). Pre-Industrial
really useful properties (all that urea, etc.). Pre-Industrial
folks had a lot of uses for it, including medicine and laundry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine |
| 2005/9/17-19 [Recreation/Food] UID:39729 Activity:nil |
9/17 Fish tongue eating insect:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4200000/newsid_4209000/4209004.stm
\_ That is sick. |
| 2005/9/15-17 [Politics/Domestic, Recreation/Food] UID:39704 Activity:low |
9/15 We had to lay someone off at work because of the shrinking budget.
Some people would like to take him to lunch. Some of us think it
would be weird to go out with someone being (essentially) fired.
What do you think? Would a card/gift be more appropriate? Should
we do anything at all? We've worked with this guy for 2-3 years.
\_ Take the guy out for a meal. What's so awkward about it? It's not
like you made the decision to can him.
\_ Agreed. If you like him, give him a nice send-off.
\_ Well, I didn't make the decision but I was party to it.
\_ "laid off" = "we couldn't afford you, no hard feelings
please", "fired" = "you suck, we don't want you, go away".
Make sure you know which it is; I would find it extremelyy
odd to take someone whose firing I was involved in to lunch
unless I knew him personally. Otherwise it seems very
disingenuous. If it's a real layoff, you might also want
to consider passing his resume around and other nice
things. -John
\_ Well, as you know, when there's a layoff there's
always the choice of *who* to layoff. It's not the
same as being fired, but there's the undertone of
"We chose to let *you* go." I personally might feel
odd going to lunch with coworkers if I was laid off.
I did offer to help him get another job. If anyone
needs a sysadmin, junior s/w engineer, or WWW developer
with a BS in CS from Caltech and about 3 years
experience let me know. I'm in LA, but I know his
girlfriend is in the Bay Area, so he might consider
moving. Oh, he is also a RHCE. --dim
\_ Something more important to consider: that shrinking budget. When
is *your* turn? Think about where you'd like to be taken to lunch
when your turn comes. Also, a single layoff for budget reasons
sounds really weird. What's really going on? How big is your
place? Are you a C*O or founder? If not, polish up your resume if
he was really cut for budget reasons. As far as lunch or no lunch,
it doesn't matter if he was fired or laid off. A particular job is
not the be-all end-all of life. If you like the guy take him to
lunch. If you hate him, don't. Remember, in theory, someone who
got laid-off will be re-hired when times get better. I've seen it
actually happen a _small_ number of times.
\_ Well, I asked him if we could take him to lunch and he said
"Yes". As for the rest of the story, who said it was a
single layoff?
\_ enjoy lunch. No one said but if you re-read the OP it is
easy to come to that conclusion from context. How many out
of how many total? |
| 2005/9/14-15 [Recreation/Food] UID:39675 Activity:low |
9/14 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050914/od_nm/germany_robbery_dc German robbers rob a Chinese restaurant with a pistol and a knife but got chased out by tables and chairs thrown at them. Fucking Krauts \_ Callahan: You forgot your fortune cookie, punk. Punk: What? Callahan: It says you're shit out of luck.<shoots punk with .44> \_ So? Bruce Lee could fight armed gangsters in restaurants with tooth picks. At least he did in one of his movies. picks from a distance. At least he did in one of his movies. \_ All hail Kung Fu! |
| 2005/9/10 [Recreation/Food] UID:39614 Activity:nil |
9/9 You know, it's nice to rescue the poor people in NO and all, but
more importantly, when can we start eating yummy, safe (non-toxic)
genuine gumbo from NO? |
| 2005/9/4-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:39489 Activity:nil |
9/5 One Sunday I decided to have a late lunch at the burger joint on Solano
avenue. I came there at about 3:30pm and it seemed like most eateries
south of the BART tracks were closed. Are they always closed on Sundays
or did I choose a very unfortunate time of day?
\_ probably isn't very safe there at night
\_ 3:30 isn't exactly night and I have once been there at night
and the place looked very crowded. I wouldn't feel very
unsafe there. |
| 11/23 |
| 2005/9/3-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:39473 Activity:nil |
9/3 Humour of the week: "Man Fired for Eating Pizza Wins Contest"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_fe_st/funny_firings |
| 2005/9/2-3 [Recreation/Food] UID:39450 Activity:nil |
9/2 "They need to stabilize that situation," the President said.
"They need to make sure that the food and medicine that is in
place is given to the people that need the food and medicine."
What "they" is he referring to, the French?
\_ God, who else? God Bless. !conservative
\_ Either FEMA or some LA state agency. |
| 2005/9/1-2 [Recreation/Food, Reference/RealEstate] UID:39406 Activity:kinda low |
9/1 I am in the south bay, and yesterday out of no where I discovered
lots and lots of aunts in the bathroom. I am usually very
careful about leaving food outside, and the trail of the aunts
(from bathroom - living room fireplace) does not appear to
show that they were after my food. What the hell were they
after? Were they just moving? I sprayed and killed most of
them, which probably numbered in the thousands.. I've not had
a single aunt problem for the past 2 years I've lived here.
What would cause such a sudden outburst of aunts?
\_ They are probably after water, not food.
\_ They are probably after money, not food.
\_ has it been hotter than usual lately?
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Pesticides-Wont-Stop-em.htm
\_ I've been having exactly this problem for the past three months.
I had the same problem the same time last year. I've been
wondering why the same brand of bait that used to work a few
years ago doesn't work now. It must be this new Argentine ant
species. One thing I notice is that some ants crawl much faster
than others. Is it the Argentine ant vs. the native species?
years ago doesn't work now. It must be this new Bolivian ant
species. One thing I notice is that Bolivian ants march faster
than others. Is it the Bolivian ant vs. the native species?
I live in north Fremont.
\_ I've noticed a lot of ants in my bathroom the past several
months as well. They go away for few weeks after I put those
ant bait/traps, but come right back. I don't have problems with
ants in other parts of my Oakland apartment.
ants in other parts of my Oakland apartment. I live in E. Fremont.
\_ Its not like the ants in CA bite or anything, what are you
so concerned about?
\_ They crawl up my legs and arms. My in-law got a few on her face
a few nights ago while sleeping.
\_ They crawl up my legs and arms. My in-law got her face chewed off
a few nights ago while sleeping. We are Taiwanese. |
| 2005/8/30-31 [Recreation/Food, Health/Eyes] UID:39357 Activity:nil |
8/30 Chavez offers us fuel and food on top of free eye surgery.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050829/pl_afp/usweathervenezuelaoil
Now we REALLY need to assassinate him.
\_ Ha! He has succumed to the dreaded threat of Pat Robertson!
\_ I don't think he understands that we kick our poor people when
they're down.
\_ Hehe. I actually think he's pretty funny.
\_ Al Capone was actually a hero in the 30s to the really poor
people in Chicago. He setup cafes to feed the people who
would have starved to death during the great depression. How
he got money to setup cafes is another story. Today, we are
in need of another hero. We need someone to take money from
Bill Gates, Walmart Waltons, and other super wealthy kings
to give wealth back to the poor. We have no such hero today. |
| 2005/8/16-17 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:39135 Activity:high |
8/16 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_on_re_us/hispanics_immigration "A majority of Hispanics born in the United States don't think illegal Hispanic immigrants should be given drivers' licenses, according to a new poll." \_ C'mon, folks, it's a sting operation. \_ That would be kinda funny. "Here's you driver's licence sir, and here's your border patrol officer." \_ Seriously, you don't see this happening? \_ In a word, no. \_ You don't need borders! How Cold War! Become a Citizen of the World! Get your Global Work Permit! Travel! See the sights! When there are no more borders, there will be no more war! Hey, what is the EU policy on non-EU people trotting about? How about Switzerland? \_ We have a treaty with the EU to allow bilateral work permits very easily. The overprotected, overpriced, mollycoddled Swiss markets could use it (just like the overprotected, &c &c US, Jap and EU markets could use some competition) as we're seeing an insane amount of super-qualified people coming in from Germany and Austria who are fleeing statist ham-handedness there, and really raising the quality bar here. And although the EU is a bureaucratic shitpile, its very existence is sure motivating the Poles/Czechs/Balts and friends into becoming lean, fast- growing economies. Global economics is not a zero-sum game, to be ruined by protectionist tax-horny command-economy government hacks. May I suggest a cabin in Montana? -John \- I am for sure going to have fun watching "libertarian" geeks sort themelves out into various flavors under the pressure of globalization. i wonder if there will be an attempt to vincent chin somebody in a pathetic geek way. \_ Partha once went on record as saying libertarians are libertarian because this allows them to excuse the way they naturally feel, or something like that. I am sort of they naturally feel, or something like that. I was sort of idly wondering if John is going to show up one day and accuse Partha of overgeneralizing and 'wrongthink,' but then I realized it's only chic to do that to me. -- ilyas \_ Dey took ur' jerbs!! \_ We'll just take our families and go start american food restaurants in Calcutta. That'll show 'em. -JOhn \_ Genuinely curious... Do they sell Garden Burgers in India? \- no, in india it is easy to find vegetarian food that actually tastes good. you dont have newly minted vegetarians who "miss" the hamburger experience. and burgers are generally mutton or chicken if memory serves. serving beef in a high profile way [like if you are mcd] is just asking for trouble. \_ Spoken like someone who's never tried a really good veggie patty. I am not a vegetarian, and I appreciate a good beefburger, but there is such a thing as a really tasty veggie burger. \- when i go to india, kolkata in particular, i basically become a vegetarian because the vegetarian food is better than about every- thing else and cheaper too. so while i dont typcally eat vegetarian burgers here, on statistical grounds this is pretty defensible. many of the vegetables here are really expensive or bland, especially tomatos. in much of india since you buy fresh vegetables at the market every day, they may look funky but they are vastly better than about any non-chez panisse level vegetables here. i think a better comparison is something like say flan ... flan will not take off in india anytime soon because there is nothing to cause the flan market to go through a "hyper inflation" phase. it's not a matter of whether flan is good or bad ... it's not enough better than domestic sweets. pizza on the other hand is an innovation that is taking off because of marketing and novelty. in spite of the pizza being bad. so yes if for some reason a company making really tasty veggie burgers dumps millions of dollars into mkting, then maybe they will taken off, but that's not going to happen. \_ I have a colleague originally from around about Hyderabad who went to the Bombay Inst of Tech. He complained (at length) about American hamburgers. His reasoning was the home of the hamburger (his idea, not mine) should have a huge variety of meat and non-meat hamburgers available. This because he bragged about the huge variety of specifically non-meat burgers available in (I presume) Bombay and Hyderabad. He also, IIRC, said meat hamburgers were uncommmon. That said, he may simply have been whinging since he was dealing with some pretty bad culture shock at the time. -- ulysses \_ There is a huge variety of meat and non-meat burgers available here in the USA. \_ Yup. One place has Ostrich burgers I think. Forgot the name. \_ Fuddrucker's does. It's also common to see turkey, buffalo, salmon, and many varieties of soy/veggie burgers. \_ There's also an awesome place on the main square in Sonoma that does a duck burger with foie gras. It's really good. -John \- well i think those still dont count as "common". mcd, bk, carls jr, wendys etc are mostly beef, some chicken options, one fish item, but no lamb, mutton, goat, turkey, pork [maybe turkey] etc. contrast to say a typical mexican facility with al pastor, carne asada, ground beef, chortizo, carnitas, tongue etc. same for a deli ... lots of options compared to a typical hamburger facility. --psb \_ Look in a Wal-Mart for what the "common" American eats. The places you mentioned have about as much food value as Viet Cong sandals cut from truck tires. As for Indian food, didn't the head of Congress' youth wing once chop up his gf and hide her in a tandoori oven? Mmh! -John \_ The discussion was about common hamburger options, not what is healthy or common to eat. \_ Yes, and the options meantioned were of Viet Cong truck tire sandal food value, allowing for crack about average Americans' dining habits, Wal-Mart and tandoori dismemberment. Capisce? \_ Almost every fast food joint offers a chicken sandwich/burger. Jack in the Box had the Turkey Jack. Once you stray from the big chains, though, you easily find the rest. Turkey burgers are especially easy to find, as are veggie burgers. Even the big chains have had veggie burgers at various times. I think some still do. \- BTW, one reason traditional burgers and pizza in india are ass is because you cannot get good "cheej". i dunno if you will "get" this if you dont know india, but i thought this was both hilarious & insightful in the horrible VS Naipaul way: http://csua.org/u/d26 [you have to click fwd to the first page of text]. you may also wish to see: http://csua.org/u/d27 for more fun with Sir Vidia. \_ There is lots of good vegetables \_ There are lots of good vegetables at reasonable prices here. You just have to go to Farmer's markets, like the one at the Civic Center in San Francisco. Organic produce from Whole Foods is also quite good, but pricey. -ausman |
| 2005/8/8-11 [Recreation/Food] UID:39048 Activity:low |
8/8 How much does your weight vary on any given day?
\_ I don't have weight sensors in my shoes.
\_ I eat about 5 pounds of meat a day, and I shit once a day.
I drink about 1 gallon of liquid. So I'm guessing maybe 10 pounds?
\_ I eat about 5 pounds of meat a day, and I shit once a week.
I drink about 2 gallon of liquid. So I'm guessing maybe 16.5 pounds?
I drink about 1 gallon of liquid. So I'm guessing maybe 10 pounds?
\_ Yeah but if you eat like that 5 of those pounds aren't temporary.
\_ About half a kilo or so (a pound, give or take)
\_ About 3 lbs - though some of that could be due to the
fact that I'm using an el cheapo target bathroom scale
for weighing myself.
\_ On a long bike ride, I'll lose 5-8 pounds. -tom
\_ Out of curiosity, what does "long" mean?
\_ A few weeks ago I rode Mount Hamilton via Mines Road,
which came out to a little over 100 miles, and I was out
there for 10 hours. I was about 6 pounds lighter, on a
not very hot day. -tom
\_ I assume that you were rehydrating aggressively along the
way...?
\_ I drank 7-8 liters of fluids (mostly water). -tom |
| 2005/8/3-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:38970 Activity:low |
8/3 Eco People: Are you willing to give up your flush toilets?
\_ You mean using 0.6gpf urinals instead?
\_ Urinals don't work too well when you crap in them.
\_ Exactly. So what's the alternative that the OP proposes?
\_ Probably these horrible "flush-less" urinals they've been
putting in highway rest stops over here--they have a valve
at the bottom which drains the things when they fill past
a certain degree, and don't let any smell out of the pipe.
Needless to say, the bits you pee on above the pipe also
smell. A lot. -John
\_ I use a composting toilet and then use the fertilizer on the
organic vegetables I sell down at the farmer's market.
\_ that's done it for me, no more farmer's markets
\_ Nah, just boil 'em. Koreans used human excrement as
fertilizer for hundred of years.
\_ Chinese do that too, but I don't think they boil it first.
\_ Not the excrement, the food. Before you eat it.
\_ Do you also jerk off into that toilet?
\_ that's it, returning those carrots |
| 2005/7/24-28 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:38799 Activity:nil |
7/24 foodP! 7pm Fondue Freds, Wednesday 7/27
come one, come all
\_ use evite.
\_ how much is it? I'm poor...
\_ The idea is to take advantage of their 6+ person deal, which
comes out to basically $20/person. Definitely more expensive
than say a TopDog, but it is an all-you-can-eat deal for fondue
and their house wine.
The CSUA used to have regular FoodP's, a tradition that has
(sadly) apparently died. -ERic
\_ Who is going? Alumni or students? I'm a poor student, can you
rich wealthy land-owning alumni buy me food? I promise to
entertain you guys with new Soda Hell stories. Are there going
to be hot women? Is karen going?
\_ Are there going to be stalkers attending?
\_ Why? You lose yours?
\_ CSUA w/ booth babes. Now there's a concept.
\_ I had fondue once and hated it. Maybe it was the particular
cheese? Or is it usually the same type? It was also expensive for
what it is and the skill involved. I think I'd love a chocolate
fondue though.
\_ There are many variations, but a typical cheese fondue will
contain some of swiss, gruyere and ementhaler cheeses, plus dry
white wine, and often some garlic, or lemon juice, or kirch.
Personally I love gruyere, but some people hate it.
\_ A crappy fondue has too much starch, low quality wine, shitty
cheese, cat intestines, whatever in it. -John the Fondue Expert
\_ I like Fondue Fred's. And their house wine is excellent after the
third glass or so. I'd go if I was in the bay area. -niloc |
| 2005/7/22-25 [Recreation/Food] UID:38767 Activity:nil |
7/22 Does anyone know of a program for optimizing pizza topping selection?
I'm thinking of the situation where you have N people who each have
some number of preferred and shunned toppings, and you want to pick P
pizzas such that everyone can find a pizza without a shunned topping
and you maximize the number of prefered toppings people get. This
seems like the sort of thing geeks would have worked out already...
\- potential arrow impossibility theorem problem
\_ Can you clarify the "maximize the number of prefered toppings people
get" part? |
| 2005/7/21-23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Recreation/Food] UID:38756 Activity:nil |
7/21 My reading on London bombing 2: Terrorists screwed up this time.
Detonators went off, but explosives didn't.
Yes, it is indicative of high vulnerability if they can get chemically-
based detonators exploding in rucksacks at three subway trains and a
bus AGAIN, even with all the security, two weeks after the last attack.
\_ Also a higher possibility of copycat or amateur hour.
\_ Uh, Al Qaeda _is_ largely a "copycat" organization. Now watch
out for the disappointed-looking bearded guy sitting behind the
backpack. -John
\_ Especially that it's again three in the subway and one on a bus.
\_ Probably this was just engineered by Rove to get him off the
front page.
\_ We all dance like marionettes to the flick of Rove's chubby
fingers.
\- when you hear the price they paid
i'm sure you'll come and join the masquerade
one by one and two by two
past eight by tens in shattered frames
the players try to leave the room
frantic puppets on a string
and all the while the music sings
and still sometimes remember
the masquerade's forever |
| 2005/7/18-19 [Health/Dental, Recreation/Food] UID:38692 Activity:nil |
7/18 A chocolate a day will keep the doctor away.
http://csua.org/u/cr0
\_ But will a chocolate a day bring the dentist my way? |
| 2005/7/13-14 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:38595 Activity:nil |
7/13 Coffee shop opens in Utah without coffee, cigarettes, or alcohols
because Mormons can't touch them:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162317,00.html
\_ I'd say that's totally gay, but Mormons don't like that either.
\_ Well, sell to your customers. It's not hard to get coffee and
alcohol in Utah if you want them. |
| 2005/7/13-15 [Recreation/Food] UID:38591 Activity:high |
7/13 Motd Diet Poll: M, for married, S for single, + w, for working,
s for student. Most of the time, you eat:
Fast food: Ss
Lots of Meat, Fat:
Lots of Meat (lean):
Balanced (grains,veggies,meat): Mw, Mw, Mw, Mw, Sw
Mostly Vegetables(or seafood): Ms, Mw, Sw
Vegetarian: Ssw, Mw
Vegan/raw foodie: Sw
I don't know what I eat:
\_ WTF happened to all the undergrads who eat nothing but fast food?
\- i used to eat bacon, fat slice, blondies and 99cent burgers.
however i had a super-fast metabolism then. i cant do that
any more. now my metabolism has become super-efficient and i
just eat 1.7 meals per day.
\_ Their fingers are too chubby to type
\_ But fast food is nutritious! Ilyas told me so, dammit!
\_ Why is it that right-wingers get so worked up fast food?
What the hell does fast food have to do with politics,
aside from the fact that Republicans tend to be fat and
lazy?
\_ I am a right-winger now? And I get worked up about
fast food? Are you one of those mental giants who
divide the world into two exhaustive and mutually
exclusive sets: People Who Think Like Me, and
Right-Wingers? -- ilyas
\_ I'm not worked up or right wing either -- I was
just poking mild fun at you. I wonder what made him
decide I'm a rightwingnut... -ilyas-is-nutritious-guy
\_ Gaaaah, I am NOT nutricious, you cannibal! You
stay away from me! -- ilyas
\_ Sounds like a bad 1970's era movie:
"Ilyas the Cannibal!!" -ilyas-is-nutritious guy
\_ 'Cause I'm an American dammit, and no pencil neck geek
should be telling me what to eat! Now, drug prohibition
on the other hand, that's ok.
\_ Fast food -> big chains -> big corporations ->
Republican.
Gourmet food -> local restaurants.
\_ Kiss my shiny metal ass. -- ilyas
\_ shouldn't this be "bite my ..."? |
| 2005/7/11-12 [Recreation/Food] UID:38515 Activity:nil |
7/11 The eat veggie-save earth thread has got to be the most stupid
thread I've ever read on motd. The best thing to do is not consuming
more veggies. The best thing to do is to consume men, which would the
most ecological and logical thing to do to reduce pollutants. First
of all, eating existing men would save you the cost to transport
grains for cows or use our precious water suppry for crops.
Secondly, you reduce population that would otherwise use up more
resources and pollute the earth. Consuming men would be killing two
birds with one stone. I propose we start by first eating idiots who
post stupid threads on motd, and then eating SUV drivers, then the
fanatic Republicans, and finally all the communists and Democrats.
\_ Yes, and don't you think the Dear MOTD Readers should be allowed
to decide that for themselves? -John |
| 2005/7/8-10 [Science/Space, Recreation/Food] UID:38485 Activity:high |
7/8 Cut global warming by becoming vegetarian:
http://www.physorg.com/news4998.html
\_ Cut global warming with eco-friendly investments:
http://www.terrapass.com
\_ How does one know that the money we pay on purchasing these
passes actually goes to projects that reduce pollution, and these
projects actually have big enough of an impact to offset our
cars' pollutant output?
\_ Good question, and I don't have a good answer. I suppose you
could argue that you have a contract with them, so they're
obligated to follow-through.
\_ Cut global warming by turning off the water when you apply soap in
the middle of a shower. This saves water as well as the energy
needed to heat it.
\_ Not eating 1 pound of western beef saves more water than not
showering for 1 year, assuming 7 minute showers once per day
with a low flow shower head. "Raising one cow uses enough
water to float a destroyer"
\_ Just shooting yourself as soon as possible saves more water
and energy and cute little bacteria that you'd otherwise
spend your life stompin' on than you can possibly imagine.
I'll take mine medium rare, thanks. -John
\_ Uh, this is really poorly phrased. Not eating 1 pound of
beef doesn't save anything. That cow is still raised.
\_ Have you ever heard of supply & demand? Buying and
tossing one pound of beef doesn't do anything, true.
However, choosing to purchase less beef directly affects
demand, which will in turn affect supply.
\_ Are you serious??? Reference please? Thx.
\_ John Robbins Food Revolution, which had extensive
footnotes in that section. Note that it takes a lot
more water to raise cattle in the arid west, which is
why I said *western beef*. Here is a webpage that
discusses the topic (took me about 5 seconds with google):
http://www.vegsource.com/articles/pimentel_water.htm
Another one:
http://www.gentleworld.org/environment/environment.html
Oh look more:
http://www.farnellfamily.com/cfarnell/why/uses.html
Note that producing beef in arid climates takes more
than 2500 gallons/pound.
\_ Don't eat fruits either. Raising one plum tree uses
enough water to float a destroyer. We should eat only
cactus.
\_ Whatever
\_ Whatever indeed. Focus on one aspect of farming
(cattle) and ignore the rest.
\_ I think the pp was focusing on the fact that
raising 1 pound of meat consumes a lot more
water than raising 1 pound of fruit/vegetable:
http://www.vegsource.com/articles/factoids.htm
\_ Ah yes this is the exact reference
\_ The issue is not whether farming uses water.
Raising beef just uses orders of magnitude more
water for the same nutrional content. So one
water for the same nutritional content. So one
way to be environmental is not to eat beef, simple.
\_ Right. Another way is to eat only cactus and
not water-loving plants like rice and fruit.
Or, like John said, shoot yourself.
\_ can you be more disengenous? from the above
link: water req'd for 1 lb. of apples: 49
that's two orders of magnitude
less than the amt. req'd for beef. Eating
cactus vs. apples counts for nothing compared
to the simple act of not eating beef. -!pp, !op
\_ How much protein is in those apples?
If you want to grow, say, soy beans
it take 250 gallons per pound. I find
all of these sorts of arguments
disingenuous. Eat healthy. That means
some meat (but not a lot) in the diet.
Avoiding 1 lb of beef per week (say)
to substitute with 1 lb of apples is
beyond stupid. There are other factors,
too, like cooking, transportation (beef
needs freezing), pesticides, and so on.
Framing in terms of gallons/pound is
meaningless and idiotic.
\_ No it's not, it tells us how much water
beef takes. It also takes more of many
other resources such as fuel and space.
Why is disingenuous to look at the amount
of resources a certain diet takes? Meat
eating simply uses way more resources.
Now whether or not that matters to you
is a different issue, isn't it?
\_ The point here is that water
usage is not defined in a vacuum.
Looking at how much water a cow
drinks versus how much water a tree
needs is not too informative in
itself. So much more is involved in
growing, preparing, transporting,
and storing the foods. Is that
gallons/pound number derived by adding
in how many gallons it takes to grow
feed or is it just what the cow
drinks? How much of that water is
taken of the water cycle and in what
way? What other factors are involved?
\_ strawman. What you find disingenuous is
not a claim anyone made. It's idiotic
to replace one lb. of beef w/ one lb. of
apples. The gallons/apple was made to
refute above trolls nonsense about fruit
trees.
\_ What do you mean? If you don't eat
fruit you can save a lot of water.
\_ Then replace one pound of beef with
beans, or whatever combination of
non-MEAT vegetables/fruits diet you
desire. None of them will use as
much water to create the same
desire. None of them will use remotely
as much water to create the same
nutrition, and you know that.
\_ I am not sure 'energy' = 'nutrition'.
Maybe if we were herbivores it would
make more sense. There are indeed
lots of drawbacks to farming, fishing,
and so on. Looking at water use is
some sort of feel-good bullshit.
I can say it takes no (fresh) water to
raise a tuna. Therefore eat only
tuna and no apples.
\_ Don't forget all the water that is required to
maintain a healthy green lawn that no one ever
uses.
\_ http://www.backyardstyle.com/watering-guide.php
The average lawn uses 125 g/1000 sq. ft on a hot,
summer day. That's .8 oz. of beef/1000 sq. ft
during peak summer weather. Certainly, it helps
to reduce lawn watering, but compared to eating
beef, it's peanuts.
\_ How much water do spotted owls waste?
\_ 1) Read an excerpt or two from the jungle, or watch a couple
shorts about animal treatment, esp. re: antibiotics, hormones,
etc.
2) Next time you purchase raw meat at the grocers, look at the
meat, and remember (1) above.
3) Go and buy some vegetables. -!op
\_ How many rabbits are chopped up in the combine harvesters?
Better avoid bread.
\_ When the other side can come up only with pedantic crap,
that's a safe bet you've won the argument.
\_ So saying "you should avoid X to conserve Y" is a poor long-term
plan: if water is actually a scarce resource, it should be expensive,
and thus the beef should be expensive. If there's some reason it
isn't (government subsidies, perhaps?), the subsidies should end.
There's no reason the free market can't solve this problem... if
there is one. If there isn't, who cares how "wasteful" meat
production is? People aren't starving in the world because the US
doesn't produce enough food. |
| 2005/7/1 [Recreation/Food] UID:38395 Activity:nil |
7/1 Toilet themed restaurant in Taiwan:
http://tinyurl.com/9msqv (news.yahoo.com)
\_ Already mentioned:
http://csua.com/?entry=38386 |
| 2005/6/30-7/1 [Recreation/Food] UID:38386 Activity:low |
6/30 This has got to be the most disgusting thing I've ever seen:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/taiwan_toilet_dc
\_ you haven't seen very much
\_ I thought only the Japanese would come up with weird things like
this. |
| 2005/6/23 [Recreation/Food] UID:38259 Activity:high |
6/23 http://blogs.salon.com/0003522/2005/06/06.html#a576 "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United Federation of Planets, and to the galaxy for which it stands, one universe, under everybody, with liberty and justice for all species." Sounds good to me. - star trek movie guy \_ I assume the kid is 8 years old. Suspension seems pretty harsh to me for such a goofy offense. I like the US, but I said all kinds of goofy things during the pledge in elementry school. \_ 8 years old and still in elementary school? \_ Uh... \_ What kind of parent(s) would name a child "8"? \_ It appears she just refers to her children by their ages on her blog, for privacy reasons presumably. \_ I see. \_ I'm guessing the same, but she has no trouble posting lots of pictures of her kids. \_ "for all species"? That kid's not gonna eat any natural food from \_ "for all species"? That kid is not gonna eat any natural food from now on. \_ If its all replicated, what species got hurt? I'm guessing that until we get replicators he'll have to stick to vegan, to minimize his impact on animal species (which is probably what an 8 yr old kid has in mind when he says species). \_ I would be more likely to assume he meant "sentient" species. \_ The punishment for thoughtcrime is death. -mrauser \_ The Computer is your friend. Keep your laser handy. |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:38030 Activity:nil |
6/7 Has anybody been to Cafe Jacqueline in SF? Is it a reasonable
first date restaurant or is it a little over the top for a 1D?
Also does the menu work with 2 people or best with more? OK TNX.
\_ It's reasonable. But it's pretty expensive. It is best for
2 people since some souffles are two-person serving. I ended
up paying over $60 per person for two meal souffles and one
dessert souffle (no wine, no appetizers). I didn't think it
was worth the price. The restaurant itself didn't look fancy,
but something too fancy could be intimidating for a 1st date. |
| 2005/5/13-15 [Recreation/Food] UID:37671 Activity:nil |
5/13 Wendy's Chili Mystery Finally Solved.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wendy_s_finger
\_ Wow, nice couple.
\_ Those mugshots look like studio pictures, with soft lighting and
stuff. |
| 2005/5/13-15 [Recreation/Food] UID:37666 Activity:low |
5/12 I'm spending a week in Tokyo. For people who have lived there, do
you have any recommendations like things to do, places to visit,
or have a favorite restaurant (something that doesn't cost $60/meal)?
\_ Asaki's Western Massage Parlour.
A lot of young, skinny, beautiful Eastern European ladies
who'll do ANYTHING to satisfy your dreams. There are a few
few chunky Americans too, if you're into that.
\_ Wouldn't OP be interested more in local girls?
\_ Nobu. Ask for the fubu.
\_ Why would he ask for clothing created by black people?
\_ Groping schoolgirls in uniforms and OL's in morning commute subway.
100 yen for a ticket and you can grope for hours.
\_ What's OL?
\_ office lady. Common in Tokyo. 1/2 of the Japan porns involve
school girls or OL.
\_ Don't bother with Roppongi, take a Shinkansen (they're way cool),
visit a nice Isakaia (only good places to drink), have a look at
Shibuya, take the train at rush hour, go knock around Shinjuku,
visit a Tokyu (sp?) Hands store, there's no way you can be
bored. -John
\_ Go visit Akihabara on a weekend which is a town for electronic
\_ Go visit Akihabara on a weekend which is an area for electronic
gadgets. You can check out all the cool gadgets as well as all the
hot women in tight short outfits holding ad signs. |
| 2005/5/4 [Recreation/Food] UID:37514 Activity:kinda low |
5/3 ax, do you eat raw eggs to get to where you are now? -curious
\_ Where is he now, the hospital?
\_ I ate raw eggs in the early 90's by mixing them in
milkshakes, say maybe 5 or 6 whites and 1 with the yellow
still in. I haven't had any since then. I benched 335
in 1993, I can do 285 now, but I run a lot and don't
eat much protein. I weighed 190 or so then, 196 now. -ax
\_ DUDE, LEARN TO INDENT. Anyways, you never had saminela?
\_ DUDE, LEARN TO SPELL. anyway. salmonella.
\_ height?
\_ penis size?
\_ delta?
\_ cup size? |
| 2005/5/3-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:37466 Activity:moderate |
5/3 Favorite Fast Food Poll:
\_ Locally owned burrito place: .
\_ McDonalds
\_ Got tired of it after I became a teenager
\_ I was going to make fun of the guy who hates Wendys, but I
hate McDonalds. They really are evil.
\_ Why? Are you scared of clowns?
\_ Jack in Box
\_ Wendys
\_ I'm NOT going there because they donate a significant amount of
money to Republicans. Ditto with Walmart and Dell
\_ On the other hand, the employ a lot of Democrats. I
wonder if anyone has ever looked at how much money
employees of a company donate versus the company itself.
That is, let us say that Bill Gates donates to
Republicans, but Paul Allen donates to Democrats while at
the same time MSFT itself donates to Greens. Even "red"
companies might support "blue" candidates or causes on
the whole.
\_ Heh, "[Wendys] employ[s] a lot of Democrats." I like
that. Seems like that would be true of a lot of fast
food joints though.
\_ I'd think that any large company would employ large
numbers of Dems and Repubs (as well as Greens, etc.).
\_ BK
\_ Carl's Jr: ..
\_ Popeye's: .
\_ In n Out: .
\_ White Castle: .
\_ KFC: .
\_ KFC supports Republicans, not at the Walmart/Dell scale though.
\_ Popeye's > KFC, except that Popeye's is harder to find.
\_ Actually, Church's > Popeye's >> KFC.
\_ Church's is that good? I had heard to was dangerous
to your health. Probably a rumor started by KFC. I'll
have to try it next time I'm in Oakland.
\_ It's not really that good, although it is not bad.
I mean, come on, it's fried chicken, it almost has to
be at least somewhat good.
\_ Church's IS GOOD, except it is as greasy as... grease.
Like Homer Simpson says, grease=tasty=good.
\_ Church's is dangerous to your health, but what does
that have to do with anything? You almost have to have
a blatant disregard for your health if you post on this
thread.
a blatant disregard to your health if you post on this
thread. That said, I once got food poisoning at the
San Jose Church's.
\_ Rubio's: .
\_ Del Taco: .
\_ Subway: . |
| 2005/4/28 [Recreation/Food] UID:37404 Activity:moderate |
4/28 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1392766/posts Watch freeper posters go crazy over new Denny's discrimination lawsuit "In case you haven't figured it out, you're not welcome in this country anymore. Get out, and take your friends and relatives with you." \_ I don't blame the manager. I mean, come on, those guys have the following names: Osama, Arafat, and Hussein. Had I been the manager I'd personally give Ashcroft a call. \_ Mmm.. dumbassitude reigns supreme. \_ I was surprised that a bunch of the "should we go back to not letting in black folks" comments were not censored by the freeper Gestapo -- downright progressive by their standards. \_ We didn't let in the black folks. We kidnapped them from Mother Africa and shipped them here! \_ maybe you guys have been over-spoiled by the high level of tolerance in the Bay Area, and think that the rest of America is in fact like Bay Area, when it fact, it is not. Far from it. \_ Maybe you're not as intelligent or as cosmopolitan as you think you are. Train harder, grasshopper. \_ Just for fun, why don't we post EXTREME right stuff on the freeper, like "Damn those Muslims! Let's nuke them NOW! Use tactical nuke on Iran and then Korea! Then assassinate the Muslim head, and then blow up Haj and Mecca. KILL THEM ALL! And in fact, deport all immigrants, and ship those damn Negros back to Africa." Let's see if that gets censored, and see how far you can go. It'll be an interesting experiment. \_ You obviously haven't read enough freerepublic. You don't need experiment. Just archaeology. |
| 2005/4/26-27 [Recreation/Food] UID:37369 Activity:high |
4/26 Recommendations on south bay/peninsula food, where each dish
is less than $10?
\_ Japanese food place inside of Mitsuwa Marketplace
(Saratoga/MoorPark) in the Strawberry Park Mall. I
highly reccomend the Katsu Curry
\_ Decent bento for ~$5 in the Nijiya market at El/Grant in
MtnView.
\_ Any of the Burrito Triangle in Mountain View
with Taqueria La Bamba being the best (Rengstorff/Middlefield way)
\_ I personally like La Victoria near SJSU. Definitely try their
famous orange sauce and horchata drinks.
\_ I find that I enjoy Baja Fresh more than the more "authentic"
places.
\_ what are the other two?
Los Altos Taqueria and Taqueria Los Costena (spelling?)
Los Altos Taqueria and Taqueria Los Costenos (spelling?)
. LA's food is good and they give free chips. Costena has the
biggest burritos I have ever seen; but are not as good as Bamba.
\_ Ramen Halu, Mango Cafe
\_ Where is Ramen Halu? (I know, obGoogle)
\_ Saratoga off 280 or http://ramenhalu.com. Get the Halu ramen
(there's only 3 items on the menu) with a half cooked egg.
\_ New China Delight, downtown Mountain View.
\_ Pasta Pomodoro, Amarin Thai on Castro
\_ Amarin Thai served a cockroach in my food
once and was not willing to not charge for
it. Do NOT ever go there.
\_ In San Mateo: -"Happy Cafe" (B street?) Shanghai food,
-A Islamic Chinese cuisine place, called, in
Chinese: "Ma Jia Qin Zhen Guan", big white letters
on green backboard(iirc) on El Camino @ 92.
-Brother's Deli
\_ Seconded on Ma Jia Qin Zhen Guan.
-Cathay Kitchen - cantonese
-Pierre's Express Chang (v. good for $$)
Burlingame: Broadway, 2-3 blocks east of El Camino, "Ping Jun Ge"
Burlingame Ave, "Nelson's Cafe" (if not retired, yet)
"Stacks" - American
\_ Yes, Stacks is good.
Millbrae: A vietnamese place north of Millbrae Ave. on the El.
(just no. of Peter's Cafe)
So. San Mateo: Thai place, around on the El ~30th.
So. San Mateo: "Chao Praya" - Thai, around on the El ~30th.
Cupertino: tons @ cupertino village: Wolfe Rd, first strip mall
east of 280
\_ north of 280. Turn left at the first stop light
heading N from 280.
\_ On Wolfe? Any decent places in there?
Palo Alto: check University, east of the El.
\_ Hooters |
| 2005/4/22-23 [Recreation/Food] UID:37320 Activity:nil |
4/22 I've actually never ate at Wendy's. In terms of healthiness, are
they about the same as McDonald's and BurgerKing? Maybe I'll
go there this weekend to check it out.
\_ I like them better but I never tried their actual hamburgers.
Their Spicy Chicken Fillet sandwich and sour cream+chive baked
potato are good eating.
\- how much do those cost?
\_ i think it can vary by franchise, not sure. the chicken
is something over $3 by itself and the potato $1.XX. A
$0.99 basic side salad is also ok... not tasty but a
serviceable bowl of veggie matter.
\_ Wendy's is better than either of those, because they have some
healthier menu items than burgers. Arby's is also pretty
healthy in comparison. Best is probably still Subway. |
| 2005/4/12-13 [Recreation/Food] UID:37157 Activity:high |
4/12 Anyone have advice on how to deal with co-workers eating bad
smelling food w/o causing an incident? --person who works with
alot of immigrants
\_ Yell at them to go the fuck back to whatever country they came
from. I did that. Sure, everyone hates me now but it got the point
across! (No, really. I was having a bad day and did that)
\_ Nothing personal, but since one can get fired for sexual
harassment, would this kind of behavior result in
anything? What's the proper response if you are the one
being yelled at? File a complaint to the manager? What
if the manager is yelling? I mean if the manager yells
"fix this code stupid", then that's one thing. But if he
yells "go back to your country" I think that's a little
too racial.
too racialist.
\_ You can definitely get fired for comments like that. -tom
\_ Post a sign at the microwave saying please be considerate and don't
heat smelly food in the microwave. Personally, I like fish but I
don't bring it to work in my lunch. -- Chinese immigrant
\_ Topic already well covered, move on...
http://csua.com/?entry=28356
http://csua.com/?entry=28335
http://csua.com/?entry=28341
\_ Is there some food (maybe Korean?) that smells kind of mildewy?
Sometimes there's a smell kind of like if you leave wet clothes too
long, and I used to think it was myself, but then I realized it's
only at certain times. It's either Indian or Korean. -someone else
\_ Wear a mask while they're eating and they'll get the picture.
\_ 1. No they won't get the picture.
2. If they do, they'll just think you're a racist pig.
\_ broaden your horizons, perhaps? i have a sensitive nose and at
times disliked the smell of indian and korean foods wafting
down the hall at work, but NEVER was it as revolting as
the nasty oily smell of mcdonalds "take out" nor the electrical
fire smell of microwaved popcorn. those are products worthy
of administrative bans.
of administrative bans. -eric |
| 2005/4/8-10 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:37124 Activity:moderate |
4/8 Which is best? Suppenkuche, Walzwerk, or Schnitzelhaus?
\-Der Wienerschnitzel on San Pablo.
\_ Are all three in SF? Speisekammer in Alameda is also decent.
Only been to Suppenkuche and Speisekammer, both were quite
good (but Suppenkuche was superior, I though)
\_ Enlighten us mere mortals: WTF are you talking about ?
\_ German restaurants.
\_ Huh, it seems Spieskammer is owned by a half-owner of
Suppenkuche.
\_ I've never been to a German restaurant, what is it like? The
closest I've ever gotten is Top-Dog where I eat semi-Germananic
frank. Yes, it's pathetic. What exactly do you get at German
restaurants besides frank and lager? Do you get to see hot robust
German blond waitresses with thick Bulvarian accent?
\_ Der Wienerschnitzel, for one. Also potato pancakes and hearty
dark German lagers that are nothing like American lagers.
\- you can get your meat stuffed with meat at Suppenkuche
\_ Is that homosexual code?
\- du bist eine hasa
\_ Ach, mein Leben! -John
\_ Der Worte sind genug gewechselt,
lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!
\_ there are regional variants, i.e. fish from the coastal
areas and wimpy bland sausage from the alps, but classics
found in the u.s. include roulade (meat or cabbage rolls
w/ meaty stuffing), hot potato salad, and sauerbraten
(roast beef marinated for many days in wine vinegar).
of course many sausages, cabbage variants, soups,
and chunks of fatty roated meat. all go well w/ beer. |
| 2005/4/7-8 [Recreation/Food] UID:37102 Activity:high |
4/7 Favorite pizza toppings?
\_ chorizo!
\_ Cilantro
\_ pesto
\_ anchovies
\_ capers
\_ spinach and olive
\_ coppa
\_ Pineapple: .
\_ Pepperoni & mushroom: ..
\_ Used to be ham & pineapple -- now mushroom & pineapple (veggie)
-- which seems to offend some deeply.
\_ I, for one, am deeply offended.
\_ I find your statement offensive in the deepest sense.
\_ pepperoni and sausage: ..
\_ meat -- lots of it: .
\_ jalapeno, olive and mushroom: .
\_ eeww
\_ mushroom and onions |
| 2005/4/5-8 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:37078 Activity:moderate |
4/5 Any recommendations for an SF restaurant that can accomodate
25-30, at $30-$40/person. Note: in my experience big dinners
tend to come in 20-30% more expensive than smaller dinners
[i.e. a $30/person rest comes in at $40 when you have
20-30 people ordering glasses/bottles of wine or appetizers
right and left, or taking advantage of a split check]. Tnx.
\_ Check the Blue Plate or Chenery Park and ask if you can just rent
the place. They're very nice people. -John
\_ how about Jillian's, i'm sure enough alcohol can get you
up to $30 per.
\_ Just about any decent sized place in Chinatown will do this.
The Slanted Door has a room for 24. Might be a bit out
of your price range. -ausman
\_ Check out Delancey Street Restaurant (600 Embarcadero at Brannan)
it's pretty good, plus they do cheap ($4) valet parking if people
are coming by car. -dans
\- Hmm, this may be a good option on a non-baseball night.
I guess I'll havve to stop in and try the food. ok tnx.
I guess I'll havve to stop in and try the food.
SD, BP, CP are all more expensive. this is just for a dinner
with friends so i dont really want to or feel the need to
rent an exclusive venue. i think metreon probably has to much
of a rifraff factor on a fri/sat night. ok tnx.
\_ What is wrong with Chinatown? Do I need to give you
a specific restaurant name? -ausman
\_ I like the food there a lot, and it's for a good cause.
\_ one of my favorites while I lived in the Bay Area was Eos. |
| 2005/3/31-4/1 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:37002 Activity:high |
3/31 So I heard this 'rumor' from someone that a bunch of Hispanic
people ate at a Chinese restaurant, and decided to make a run
for it and not pay. The restaurant stopped the last person and
called the police, but the police fined the restaurant and let
the person go because the restaurant does not have authority
to detain anyone. Does this sound right to you guys or am I
missing something here? What should the restaurant do? This
supposedly happened in Chicago recently.
\_ Bah. They're buying too many houses anyway. They
deserve to be dined-and-ditched.
\- The restaurant may be in the wrong, but that doesnt
mean the dine-n-dasher gets off scott free. Both
parties can be guilty/liable for different things.--psb
\_ So what's the proper course of action for
for the restaurant? Is this different from
shoplifting?
\- There is probably both a civil and criminal
claim they could persue. I dont know what they
should do. This is one of those stories where
you probably hear a bunch of upfront stuff
that gets people outraged but you never hear the
followup [like the $20million jury award which
ends up being whittled down to $1.2m]. --psb
\_ can't you citizens arrest them?
\_ This largely depends on local statutes
and the circumstances. Generally, skipping
out on your bill is a petty larceny (unless
you're a dining at the Ritz). A private party
generally does not have the right to restrain
someone they suspect of this low level of
crime. If this person was detained against
their will and that detention was wrongful,
the detained party has a false imprisonment
or false arrest claim to which there is no
defense.
The restaurant's best bet for recovery is
in small claims ct under a breach of contract
theory.
\- dont you think if you were in the shoes
of the restaurant you would be more
interested in the dasher beinf punished
than getting your $30. if the da office
will take it [broken window theory], that's
what i would do. --psb
\_ I agree that I would prefer a
criminal conviction, but a DA will
probably not take the case b/c
he has no interest in wasting a
bunch of time to get a conviction
or plea bargain for a crime that
carries w/ it a max penalty of
$500 or so.
It would be much easier to show
up in Small Claims w/ the bill
and the name of the dude you
detained and ask for damages for
breach of contract. This would
be a 15 min deal.
\- yes but then you have to rely
on the sheriff or whoever to
enforce the $30 collection.
i doubt these people really care
about having a judgement against
them. maybe if something like that
can affect their credit it would
be worth it. in the economic pale
this is a non-starter. i assume
DAs offices spend some amount of
resources on "broken window" crimes,
and if this becomes high profile
[i.e. race card] that could work
in your favor or against [vandalism
to your restaurant]. --psb
\_ Hmmm.. Interesting. My question
remains, how is this different from
shoplifting? You mean the store cannot
stop me from walking out with their
merchandise without paying too? I don't
think that's the case but I don't see
the difference here.
\_ Generally, in order for a merchant to
detain a person suspected of a crime,
the crime must have been committed in
their immediate presence (watching a
crime on video counts). If the crime
is not witnessed by the merchant,
then they can still detain you but
they risk a false arrest/imprisonment
suit.
As an example, say that you go to Fry's
and you pick up a copy of Chaos Theory
put it in your backpack and try to
walk out the front door. Unless they
saw it all on video or a clerk saw
you give yourself the 5 finger
discount, the highlighter dude can't
stop you from walking out of the
store w/o risking a possible false
arrest suit.
\_ So you're telling me that there's no
legal basis for all detainments made
by store detectives for shoplifting? I
know there was some discussion about this
2-3 years back. -John
\_ Thanks! I am gonna try that with a
PSP, isn't this country great! ;)
\_ Yup, this country is great for
lawyers.
\_ Before you do this, please
realize that if they choose
to detain you, they might
call the cops who can
arrest you for real. You
would not have an action
against the cops b/c they
acted under probable cause.
Note that the cops could
probably arrest you even
if you had proof (ie a
receipt) that no crime was
committed b/c it is not
the cops job to judge
the proof.
BTW does the PSP cost more
than $500? If so, suspicion
of swiping one would be a
Grand Larceny and you don't
want to go there.
\_ Yes and no. Police (in CA) aren't
empowered to arrest you for a
misdemeanor crime that they didn't
witness taking place. On the other
hand, if a citizen wishes to make
a citizen's arrest, they can sign
the 'citizen's arrest' form that the
peace officer has in his car. Of
course, if it turns out that the
accusation is false (and therefore a
false arrest) ALL the liability
falls on the person that signed the
form. If the cop is a good one,
he'll warn you if he thinks you're
making a mistake. So, be wary of
detaining someone, then signing
them into custody on the basis of a
citizen's arrest form -- if you
can't prove your case, you could
lose your shirt. -POC
\- look the law is more likely to
work in the case of serious
offenses and against people
\_ serious offenses? like, say,
felonies? felony !=
misdemeanor.
who are not "judgement proof"...
either because they have money,
they have informal or formal
reputations etc. this is even
more the case with "de minimus"
one shot economic stuff. what
ever happened with sloda'
LA vigilante who went after
the bus driver or whatever it
was. --psb
\_ reread, please. Police can
make an arrest for possible
felonies without being there
to witness the crime. it's
not very complicated. -POC
\- i'm talking about
pratical outcomes, not
what is theoretically
possible. after my car
was stolen the people
who stole it left a
time stamped receipt
for a jack in the box
drive thru where i am
sure they have a video
camera. i am also sure
the police have no interest
in pursuing this one i
got my car back. the above
was (clearly i thought)
a general comment on
minor minor crimes
[broken window]. --psb
\_ I'm sure BUD DAY has the authority to detain those damn dirty
wetback spics.
\_ Are you Chinese? Do you have any of idea of the effect of
Chinese food on Hispanics?
\_ Remember those Korean guys with rifles on top of the grocery
stores during the Rodney King riots, when it turned out that the
protection rackets would actually have to provide protection for
real? Other alternative is to bring their food into line with
mediocre Chinese food in a lot of places and make the remaining
check-skippers regret they ever ate there in the first place. The
regular college crowd will keep coming regardless, all that cold
pizza and stale beer makes you immune to whatever ChiCom biological
warfare agents they put in that shit. -John
\_ it's just MSG.
\_ Walgreens often encourages their managers to run shoplifters down
with their cars in the parking lot, and to engage them in highspeed
chase if they get away. dumb? yes. Illegal? almost certainly. But
I know a manager who was yelled at for *not* engaging in a car chase
after a shoplifter.
\_ Bah. They're buying too many houses anyway. They
deserve to be dined-and-ditched.
\- The restaurant may be in the wrong, but that doesnt
mean the dine-n-dasher gets off scott free. Both
parties can be guilty/liable for different things.--psb
\_ So what's the proper course of action for
for the restaurant? Is this different from
shoplifting?
\- There is probably both a civil and criminal
claim they could persue. I dont know what they
should do. This is one of those stories where
you probably hear a bunch of upfront stuff
that gets people outraged but you never hear the
followup [like the $20million jury award which
ends up being whittled down to $1.2m]. --psb
\_ can't you citizens arrest them?
\_ This largely depends on local statutes
and the circumstances. Generally, skipping
out on your bill is a petty larceny (unless
you're a dining at the Ritz). A private party
generally does not have the right to restrain
someone they suspect of this low level of
crime. If this person was detained against
their will and that detention was wrongful,
the detained party has a false imprisonment
or false arrest claim to which there is no
defense.
The restaurant's best bet for recovery is
in small claims ct under a breach of contract
theory.
\- dont you think if you were in the shoes
of the restaurant you would be more
interested in the dasher beinf punished
than getting your $30. if the da office
will take it [broken window theory], that's
what i would do. --psb
\_ I agree that I would prefer a
criminal conviction, but a DA will
probably not take the case b/c
he has no interest in wasting a
bunch of time to get a conviction
or plea bargain for a crime that
carries w/ it a max penalty of
$500 or so.
It would be much easier to show
up in Small Claims w/ the bill
and the name of the dude you
detained and ask for damages for
breach of contract. This would
be a 15 min deal.
\- yes but then you have to rely
on the sheriff or whoever to
enforce the $30 collection.
i doubt these people really care
about having a judgement against
them. maybe if something like that
can affect their credit it would
be worth it. in the economic pale
this is a non-starter. i assume
DAs offices spend some amount of
resources on "broken window" crimes,
and if this becomes high profile
[i.e. race card] that could work
in your favor or against [vandalism
to your restaurant]. --psb
\_ Hmmm.. Interesting. My question
remains, how is this different from
shoplifting? You mean the store cannot
stop me from walking out with their
merchandise without paying too? I don't
think that's the case but I don't see
the difference here.
\_ Generally, in order for a merchant to
detain a person suspected of a crime,
the crime must have been committed in
their immediate presence (watching a
crime on video counts). If the crime
is not witnessed by the merchant,
then they can still detain you but
they risk a false arrest/imprisonment
suit.
As an example, say that you go to Fry's
and you pick up a copy of Chaos Theory
put it in your backpack and try to
walk out the front door. Unless they
saw it all on video or a clerk saw
you give yourself the 5 finger
discount, the highlighter dude can't
stop you from walking out of the
store w/o risking a possible false
arrest suit.
\_ So you're telling me that there's no
legal basis for all detainments made
by store detectives for shoplifting? I
know there was some discussion about this
2-3 years back. -John
\_ If the Store Detectives did not
witness the shoplifting, then
the detention was probably not
valid. However, there are some
conditions under which there
might not have been any detention.
If the detective tells you to
stop you don't have to comply.
If he physically bars you from
leaving the store it can be a
false imprisonment. If he says
he is going to call the cops
if you leave, then that can
also be false imprisonment.
But if you can leave at any
time and you remain to clear
your name, then it is not
false imprisonment.
Also it can make a difference
if you are suspected of a
felony (grand larceny) vs
a misdemeanor (petty larceny).
\_ Thanks! I am gonna try that with a
PSP, isn't this country great! ;)
\_ Yup, this country is great for
lawyers.
\_ Before you do this, please
realize that if they choose
to detain you, they might
call the cops who can
arrest you for real. You
would not have an action
against the cops b/c they
acted under probable cause.
Note that the cops could
probably arrest you even
if you had proof (ie a
receipt) that no crime was
committed b/c it is not
the cops job to judge
the proof.
BTW does the PSP cost more
than $500? If so, suspicion
of swiping one would be a
Grand Larceny and you don't
want to go there.
\_ Yes and no. Police (in CA) aren't
empowered to arrest you for a
misdemeanor crime that they didn't
witness taking place. On the other
hand, if a citizen wishes to make
a citizen's arrest, they can sign
the 'citizen's arrest' form that the
peace officer has in his car. Of
course, if it turns out that the
accusation is false (and therefore a
false arrest) ALL the liability
falls on the person that signed the
form. If the cop is a good one,
he'll warn you if he thinks you're
making a mistake. So, be wary of
detaining someone, then signing
them into custody on the basis of a
citizen's arrest form -- if you
can't prove your case, you could
lose your shirt. -POC
\- look the law is more likely to
work in the case of serious
offenses and against people
\_ serious offenses? like, say,
felonies? felony !=
misdemeanor.
who are not "judgement proof"...
either because they have money,
they have informal or formal
reputations etc. this is even
more the case with "de minimus"
one shot economic stuff. what
ever happened with sloda'
LA vigilante who went after
the bus driver or whatever it
was. --psb
\_ reread, please. Police can
make an arrest for possible
felonies without being there
to witness the crime. it's
not very complicated. -POC
\- i'm talking about
pratical outcomes, not
what is theoretically
possible. after my car
was stolen the people
who stole it left a
time stamped receipt
for a jack in the box
drive thru where i am
sure they have a video
camera. i am also sure
the police have no interest
in pursuing this one i
got my car back. the above
was (clearly i thought)
a general comment on
minor minor crimes
[broken window]. --psb |
| 2005/3/28 [Recreation/Food] UID:36929 Activity:low |
3/28 I think the woman who found the finger tip in the Wendy's bowl of
chili purposely put it there so she can sue Wendy's. Does anyone
think it's possible that she did it?
\_ According to reports it had been cooked, and appeared to have
been ripped off by machinery, so it's not terribly likely.
\_ I don't think so. There are better ways...
\_ Dude, you want a toe? I can get you a toe.
\_ Phh, amateurs. I can get you a whole body.
\_ Wendy's donates $250,000 to the GOP. Thank god their business is down |
| 2005/3/28-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:36913 Activity:moderate |
3/28 I'm going back to Korea for a few weeks soon, and it made me
wonder. What does the motd think about eating dog meat? -jrleek
\_ bible says you can eat it.
\_ whatever. you should go hang out with dudes who blame
the DMZ on the US and report back.
\_ What would you like to know about them? Do you have some
questions I should ask? -jrleek
\_ I've tried it once, at a Korean rest. in Beijing. Pungent and
strong, kind of reminded me of venison. Would I try it again?
No. -nivra
\_ Chinese restaurant serve dog meat too.
\_ Mmmm, tasty. -dans
\_ If you want to do it as a lark go for it. Like most predator
meats, it's not appealing to most palates.
\_ tastes like pussy. |
| 2005/3/25-28 [Recreation/Food] UID:36884 Activity:nil |
3/25 I'm so glad Wendy's lost business as a result of their FINGER food.
They donate 91% to Republicans ($200,000). And yes I boycott Wal-Mart
and Dell as well.
\_ And they support cannibalism. |
| 2005/3/25 [Recreation/Food, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36870 Activity:high |
3/24 Anyone else in the mood for some Wendy's chili?
\_ Yes, but I can't put my finger on why...
\_ The quality of Wendy's finger foods is well known.
\_ You've got to hand it to them: they make a decent meal. -gm
\_ I hear the tip is included in the price of the meal -eric
\_ Do you have a point?
\_ It's finger lickin good.
\_ This is a real nail-biter.
\_ I bet you think you're cute(icle).
\_ Oh, stop carpaling.
\_ Do you expect us just to knuckle under?
\_ Oh, give it a wrist already. -gm |
| 2005/3/17 [Recreation/Food, Reference/RealEstate] UID:36738 Activity:high |
3/17 It's spring season and every now and then I see spiders inside my
house. Anything I can do to stop them from coming inside the house?
\_ kill all but one. rip one of his legs off. he'll go back and
tell his friends to stay away.
\_ Think this would work in Palestine too?
\_ This doesn't work. No one makes that small of a wheelchair
that works with the straw. You need to leave at least 1 leg
intact.
\_ Read: "...... rip one of his legs off."
\_ One? Hell, that doesn't prove anything. If you gonna
do this right, you need at least four ripped out.
-Scored low in SAT verbal guy
\_ You don't want to incapacitate him. He needs some cred,
though, for his story that everyone else was killed.
\_ Yeah, but he could have lost one leg in some sort
of accident. If he's missing every other leg, the
others know you're not screwing around.
\_ Stop leaving delicious insects all over the place.
\_ This is the correct answer. Spiders are hard to kill
systematically, but they only go where the food is.
\_ And as long as you do have spider food all over your house,
having spiders to eat it is probably a good thing.
\_ Except they leave sticky piles of spidercrap beneath them
if you let them hang out too long. Just so you know.
-- been there.
\_ The house hardly has anything even for me to eat. I think it's
too hot outside during the day so they tend to come in. What type
of food attracts spider? I don't even leave kitchen garbage
inside overnight so I don't think it's the problem....
\_ Spiders eat insects. If you have any insects, it will attract
spiders. Even if you have no insects you will get the
occasional spider looking for insects.
I'd guess it's more likely they want a nice warm house at
night.
\_ Spiders also eat other spiders.
\_ Rear some cockroaches. They will breed really fast, and eat up
all the spiders. They will also quickly infest your annoying
neighbours' homes.
\_ How do you get rid of the cockroaches afterwards?
\_ Call the dude who sprays lots of chemicals. That, or just
move to a new place.
\_ Then there will be a lot of dead cockroaches lying around,
which attracts spiders again.
\_ Spiders don't eat dead insects.
\_ Camel Spiders
\_ No way dude, cockroaches tend to smoke in bed. Next thing
you know, the apartment is aflame. Plus secondhand smoke
kills! And the filters everywhere are a pain to clean.
\_ Similarly, if you have termites, encourage ants to infest your
home. They will feed on the termites and neatly stack their
refuse (e.g. piles of their dead) in piles for you to clean
periodically.
refuse (e.g. their dead) in piles for you to clean periodically.
\_ A coworker killed the ants milling about his doorstep and
the next year termites were discovered in the same place.
\_ Are you sure what he was killing weren't termites?
Termites look a lot like ants.
\_ IMO, termites and ants are easily distinguishable.
Also, termites don't tend to mill about outside.
\_ Also, ants won't strip your face to the bone in
seconds. Termites are dangerous, man.
\_ Termites killed my mother. Bastards. |
| 2005/3/11-12 [Recreation/Food] UID:36652 Activity:high |
3/11 Anyone here thinks MSG is bad for you?
bad : ..
not bad : ..
\_ If you think MSG is bad for you, I hope you avoid ripe tomatoes,
seaweed, and aged cheeses.
\_ The amount of MSG in tomatos is insignificant compare to
the MSG you buy in supermarkets. I haven't heard of anyone
allegic to tomatos, but quite a number of people are allergic
to MSG in restaurants.
\_ I've heard that most bad reactions are due to impurities
in the MSG they buy & use. If you get high quality,
well-refined stuff, supposedly it's much better.
\_ I don't think that's really MSG, I think it's just glutamate.
I assume that sodium in monosodium glutamate makes some
kind of difference. Probably makes it last longer.
\_ MSG is an excitotoxin. It excites your neurons (like in you taste
buds) but it is bad for your central nervous system. MSG is
really bad stuff and shouldn't be put in food.
\_ See, I really don't get this. I looked into what MSG is. It
turns out MSG is just glutamate, (as said above) with a sodium
instead of a hydrogen, converting it from an acid to a salt.
However, I looked up the equilibrium constant for MSG. It turns
out that both glutamic acid and MSG dissociate in water to
a positive Na+ or H+ ion and -glutamate, to within a few PPM.
So, like .0001% of MSG is actually MSG once it hits your mouth.
Now, glutamate is about 34% of all proteins. So when you eat
protein, and you eat it with salt (NaCl), you've got all the
ingredients for MSG in your stomach--the protein gets chopped up
into glutamic acid by your digestive processes. And by the
equilibrium constants and the presense of Na+ from NaCl, some
MSG is going to be made spontaneously. So, as I understand it,
eating salted chicken is equivalent to eating MSG. But no one
decries eating salted chicken. Given my researches, I just don't
understand how MSG can be harmful. It seems that the theory
that it's MSG contaminants that cause the problem, is more plausible.
Is the source for your claim mainstream? Or is it just that
"MSG" sounds scary so people scapegoat it? --PeterM
\_ Whenever I eat food with high MSG level, I don't get
a good night of sleep. My brain just doesn't drift
into a sleep mode and I am sort of half awake for a
long time. When I don't eat MSG food I can sleep
fine. I am a light sleeper so YMMV, but it does seem
to have a caffeine effect on me and make me agitated
when I am trying to sleep. This sort of makes sense
after I read about how it excites your neurons. I
can't say I am allergic to MSG, but when I eat at
crappy Chinese restaurants that puts in a lot of MSG,
my mouth gets very dry afterwards and I need to drink
a lot of water or fruits to 'counter' the effect. I
think the key here is the level, it is significantly
higher than what's present in natural food. I'd
rather be safe than sorry and avoid it when I can. |
| 2005/3/11-12 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:36648 Activity:low |
3/11 What is the biggest, cleanest, nicest Korean market in the 415/510
area?
\_ The only good Korean Market that I know of near Berkeley is the
Koreana Plaza on Telegraph in Oakland. Just head south on
telegraph to around 45th or something. It's on the left.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2005-03-02/food.html
-jrleek
\_ Second that. There's a hole-in-the-wall in El Cerrito but
Koreana (formerly Pusan) is pretty much it. They have all their
banchan boxed up, now, too, if you're squeamish. --ulysses
banchan boxed up, now, if you're squeamish. I have
opinions on their bulgoki, too. --ulysses
\_ The best thing of all, which I found out recently, is that
they're open 24 hours now. There's a Korean market in
SF/Daly City area off of John Daly blvd that looks pretty
big, but I haven't been inside.
\_ I like how they have guys who flag the drivers around the
parking lot as if the shoppers were landing 747s. |
| 2005/3/10 [Health, Recreation/Food] UID:36619 Activity:nil |
3/10 Robert Downey Jr.: Burger King saved me from drugs!
http://csua.org/u/bbm |
| 2005/3/8-10 [Recreation/Food] UID:36590 Activity:kinda low |
3/8 Please reccomend any good lunch spots in/around downtown Mountain View.
Thanks. -foodie, but not a snob
\_ When I worked on Ellis St. we used to eat at this little
Italian place right off of Moffett Blvd called Mario's.
Lots of reasonable places to eat on Castro as well.
\_ Sushi Tomi (Dana east of Castro) isn't bad. Kapp's (Castro@Villa)
has decent pizza. Amici's (Castro@High School) has good New York
style pizza. Le Boulanger (next door) has good sandwiches. I would
be interested in hearing reviews of the Mongolian BBQ place on
Castro. Or just pick a cuisine and try someplace (and report back);
you can find most reasonably-popular cuisines on Castro somewhere.
(I'm more familiar with dinner places in the area.) -gm
\_ Amarin Thai is pretty good. I heard Sue's is good Indian. Zucca
is passable, but overpriced, but they do have decent Uozo/Rake.
\_ I'd like to report the middle-eastern place on Castro between Villa
and Dana is pretty good. -op
\_ If you're not looking for fancy atmosphere but just want good food,
check out Rose Market on Castro (a couple of blocks south of El
Camino, which is not where most of the restaurants are). It's a
middle eastern grocery store that has a counter in the back that
serves really good Kabobs.
\_ seconded
\_ Sue's Indian is good, $10 buffet.
\_ late post...
mexican: taqueria los charros on dana (good inexpensive burritos,
think la burrita, but way better, and not any more expensive),
fiesta del mar, more expensive, but nicer food for the non-burrito.
japanese: another vote for sushi tomi, and a vote for yakko sushi
(dana, west of castro, kamei is decent and cheaper
indian: sue's is pretty good, as mentioned above
chinese: the dim sum at golden wok is decent, the rest of the
chinese isn't worth mentioning
thai: amarin has good lunches, house of krung siam is pretty
good too. They kinda have to be, given that they're right next
to each other and in the same price range. |
| 2005/3/3-4 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:36503 Activity:high |
3/3 Steve Albini discusses food.
http://www.gourmandizer.com/ezine/albini
\_ Who is Steve Albini?
\_ the subject of the best Wesley Willis song ever
\_ Lead singer of Big Black (awesome band from Chicago, late 80's).
Graduated from singing to being a producer. Cool fr00d.
\_ I think you meant to say "really hoopy frood"
\_ He also currently has an on-again, off-again band called
Shellac. Highly recommended.
\_ "Here is a recipe anyone can use to make a wonderful Sauce
Mayonnaise: ..." That's soo cool. I'm gonna try that.
\_ I tried this recipe a while back... It wasn't bad but
is real mayonnaise supposed to taste like that?
I'm afraid I've been spoiled by Kraft.
\_ What did it taste like? Cream? A cross between Hollandaise
and cream(ie. texture and richness of hollandaise, w/o the
distinctive flavor?).
\_ Sorry, I'm sauce-illiterate wrt Hollandaise.
Texture was smoother than Kraft, flavor is dominated
by garlic/olive oil/lemon juice. i.e., I could identify
the component ingredients whereas with mayo, there's some
alchemy going on -- preservatives probably?
\_ You do realize that Best Foods/Hellman's is a more
authentic mayo than Kraft is, don't you? |
| 2005/2/27-28 [Recreation/Food] UID:36442 Activity:high |
2/26 What's the difference between ice-cream and gelato?
\_ I have always found gelato to have a more slushy texture
whereas ice cream tends to have a higher dairy content.
\_ Wikipedia is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelato
\_ If you're a food snob like me, comparing the two is like comparing
Smurfs and Jem&the Holograms.
\_ O_o I'm not exactly sure how to evaluate this comparison.
\_ Wow, this is the weirdest analogy to grace the
motd in quite a while. What would be the "Jace and the
Wheeled Warriors" of food?
\_ except for tom holub and old farts in their late 30s I don't
think anyone here has ever seen the cartoon Jem, Truely
Outrageous and babelicious!
\_ I have no idea what Jem is. -tom
\_ I call bullshit. My gf is 24 and she watched Jem. In
fact, she still knows the theme song.
\_ 'I call bullshit'? What the fuck is wrong with you?
\_ Haha, it's 'what the fuck is wrong with you' boy!
I missed you, buddy. What the fuck is wrong with
you lately? -- ilyas
\_ How about YOU? How old are you and do you remember Jem?
Is your gf as hot as Jem?
\_ I'm 28 and remember Jem. As far as comparison goes
it's hard to judge, with Jem being a cartoon character
and all.
\_ fine. How about Minmei from Robotech? Is she as cute
as Minmei? I love Minmei, she's the hottest. Why
Rick Hunter goes for an old hag like Lisa, sheeit mama
\_ Uhm, so you like underage delusional ditzes? You
scare me. You should probably be in jail or on
medication.
\_ Does gelato have any gelatin? - vegetarian
\_ Generally no |
| 2005/2/22-23 [Recreation/Food] UID:36364 Activity:moderate |
2/22 Dear sodans, I need to grind some chinese herbs into powder form.
They looks like roots and small wood chips. What type of
machine can I use for this purpose? I am fairly certain a
regular blender (I have one) will NOT work, as they are
typically used with liquids and I need them dry. Is a Food
Processor what I am looking for? (They are expensive but the
blades are horizontal and seems like they would cut it into
powder, are they strong enough to cut?) What about regular
coffee grinders? I've never used one, how strong are they?
They are much cheaper than food processors and if it works
it'll be great... Thanks!
\_ I've seen people use coffee grinders for this. should be okay.
\_ I agree. coffee beans are pretty hard, so it should
have no problem with your herbs.
\_ Mortar and pestle
\_ Oh this one looks funny.
http://amos.shop.com/amos/cc/main/ccn_search/st/Mortar%20and%20pestle/sy/productsx/ccsyn/260/prd/13447185/ccsid/329668713-8208/adtg/02140523
http://tinyurl.com/59ms3
\_ Get German Mortar, German Mortars are the best!
http://www.percongrp.com/pelikan/figures/mortar_rm.htm
Ein Reich Ein Volk Ein German John, HEIL!!! |
| 2005/1/28-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:35964 Activity:nil |
1/28 Has anyone ever eaten at Rally's (or Checkers as it's called
in some regions)? Is it good? What's the quality of the burgers:
higher than mcdonalds/burger king, or about the same? I'm trying
to decide whether to go there or not.
\_ better burgers and fries. |
| 2005/1/20 [Recreation/Food] UID:35804 Activity:high |
1/20 Graduated from HS and can't find a place to live? Go back to your
HS and eat free food at the cafeteria, no one will notice:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/19/school.intruder.ap/index.html
(PS this is just bizzar)
\_ bizarre too. Not to mention weird.
\_ When I was in HS, there was this older guy who had dropped out who
used to hang out in the back with the stoners and pressure kids into
going in and buying him food in the caffeteria. He was amazingly
similar to Todd from Beavis and Butthead. |
| 2005/1/4 [Recreation/Food] UID:35535 Activity:nil |
1/4 What makes corns pop to turn them into popcorns? Is it because
they have something that's flamable inside and less flamable
outside? How about rice, sunflower seeds, ants, and other
things, can they be popped as well? I'm interesting in
inventing, producing, and marketing a new genre of food and
I'm wondering what is possible, ok thx -amateur chef
\_ Popcorn pops because of the water inside the kernel. Once you
heat it to above boiling the water turns into gas, causing
a small explosion and the resultant piece of popcorn. - williamc
\_ A more detailed explanation is that popping corn (a special variety)
has been bred to have a hard outer seed coat and a large 'horny'
endosperm high in protein, and a small starchy endosperm at the
center. What heated, the water in the center turns to steam and
dissolves the protein that makes up the bulk of the kernel. When
pressure gets too high, the seed coat pops, and the steam-hydrated
proteins of the horny endosperm expand and cool rapidly. Once it
cools and loses steam, the protein sets into a dry foam. Through
a lot of selective breeding or gene splicing, it might be possible
to create other seed varieties that pop, but I can't see how it
could recoup the R&D. In any case, it's not something you can do by
just cooking.
\_ (To myself) I got that slightly backwards. The horny endosperm
holds most of the water and the puffy texture is expanded starch,
not a protein foam.
\_ I don't think that popcorn was specially "bred" to be popcorn.
Native Americans have been popping corn since 5000 years ago.
Perhaps it was a lucky discovery, perhaps it was bred, nobody
knows.
\_ Corn has been bred a very long ways from its natural form.
Some bred variety along the way could pop. It was later
specialized into a corn that is good for popping, but lousy
for masa harina.
The indians probably grew something similar to modern
'dent corn', which makes up like 98% of the U.S. crop, and is
not a very good popper.
\_ Almost all corn has been bred by humans. |
| 2005/1/3-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:35517 Activity:high |
1/3 Traditional Chili = American version of beef curry. Comments?
\_ No, they're completely different.
\_ I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Are you trying to
say that every culture has some hot dish that is vaugely
equvilent to beef curry?
\_ I am not a huge indian food expert, but isn't beef curry a sin
against nature? -- ilyas
\_ Tastewise, not really. Culturally, see a Weblog on beef in India:
http://csua.org/u/ak5
\- this says some suspect things. i think the south in many ways
is more conservative, not less. bangalore may now be an
exception. muslims have lots of beef dishes, like beef kabobs,
or nihari beef. steak is not really a native dish, as far as
i know. whether or not muslims restaurants serve beef probably
depends on the area it is embedded in. even in the muslim
parts of Kolkata i only see egg/chicken/mutton/fish rolls.
goat meat is also very common. --psb
\_ Partha, post-British Empire, how many foods eaten today
and recognised as Indian are truly native dishes?
\- i have no answer to this inquiry.
\_ What does truly native mean? Is that like Hitler's
'true Aryan.'? -- ilyas
\_ There are Thai curry and Indonesian curry, as well as Chinese
and Japanese versions of Indian curry. |
| 2004/12/21-22 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:35386 Activity:moderate |
12/21 Dating advice for the week: DO NOT eat Edamame beans at the Japanese
restaurant! I had so much gas I farted several times. I don't think
I'm gonna see her again. ARGGGGG.
\_ You should learn the art of holding it.
\_ Or the art of letting it out silently.
\_ say "Please excuse me, I have to go to the Men's room"
\_ HAHA, that's hilarious. thanks for the advice, too!
\_ A likely story. It takes hours for farts to develop from eating soybeans.
You're probably just flatulent in general.
\_ He may be flatulent but you can't format properly. The penalty is
death! 80 columns!
\_ When I was in Japan, we ate edamame frequently, but only when
out drinking beer. They were the standard bar with-beer snack. I
think that the US appropriation as restaurant food is interesting.
Maybe you've discovered why they aren't restaurant food in Japan.
<snicker> |
| 2004/12/16 [Recreation/Food] UID:35328 Activity:moderate |
12/16 MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A Mexican man killed his lover in a
drunken, drugged fight then cooked the man's body in tomato and
onion sauce and ate it over three days.
http://tinyurl.com/447fx
\_ Those damn Mexicans! Why do we let so many of them into
California?
\_ because of the new reality show next season about them.
\_ can you say HOLE-EEE MOLE (pronounced: mole-lay) |
| 2004/12/13 [Recreation/Food] UID:35263 Activity:moderate |
12/13 Which is the best beef for making roast beef sandwiches? Top round?
Cross-rib? Others?
\_ Ask a butcher.
\_ Whatever you get, make sure it's dark pink/red. If it's any
other color it's probably not fresh. -John
\_ Ah, some heavy googling shows the best is a 'round tip' roast,
unless you want to spend serious $$ for prime rib or something
extravagant. -OP |
| 2004/12/8-9 [Recreation/Food] UID:35212 Activity:high |
12/8 How come human adults can digest cow's milk but not human breast milk?
Why has our digestive system evolved into like this? Is there any
evolutional advantage?
\_ You have two flawed assumptions in one sentence.
\_ Yes, human adults, as long as they aren't lactose intolerant,
can digest human breast milk. What makes you think otherwise?
Of course, it isn't something you'll likely experience unless
you became pregnant or your significant other does...
\_ That's what the nurse at the children hospital told me. She said
my baby will get diarrhea if I feed him cow's milk, while I'll
get diarrhea if I drink his formula.
\_ She's trying to trick you. You remember the apple and
the garden of eden, right? Drink the milk, just do it.
\_ This is different than what you said. You asked only about
adults and breast milk. Now you're talking about adults and
formula, and infants and cow milk.
\_ Word of advice. Stay with breastmilk as long as you can,
then with formula as long as you can, before switching to
things like cow's milk and solid food.
\_ Being able to digest milk obviously has an evolutionary advantage
if you have access to milk from livestock etc., under circumstances
of general food shortage. They're turning grass into an edible food.
It's kind of a mutant ability. Other animals generally can't do it.
\_ Any mammal can lactate. It's no "mutant ability".
\_ He said being able to digest milk [as an adult] is a
mutant ability, not lactating. And fully half of all
mammals cannot lactate. The male ones.
\_ bzzt.
\_ The ability in closest proximity is "turning grass into
an edible food".
\_ ok well I meant the digestion, that's what this thread
is about. -ppp
\_ Cats can digest milk. I am sure other animals can, too.
Mice seem to like cheese.
\_ I hope you don't own a cat. In spite of the fact that
some cats _like_ to drink milk, cats are lactose
intolerant, and will get sick from cow's milk. Go
to a pet-store. They have specialized cat-sensitive
milk you can buy, that's lactose free and processed
to be digestible.
\_ Cats are about as indestructible as it gets. Just
water down the milk about 50% and they'll be fine.
If you give them regular milk, they tend to get
the trots. -John
\_ No pun intended, but our cats are not pussies.
They drink small amounts of milk all the time
and it's fine.
\_ How do you know? Maybe they are getting
sick. Diarrhea or whatever cats get.
\_ your cats may be mutated. most cats are
lactose-intolerant. http://csua.org/u/a8u
\_ This link says that your cat may or may
not be. That's just like people.
\_ It doesn't have to do with cow milk or human milk. Babies have
a certain enzyme (lactase) that can break down the carbohydrates
in milk, and they gradually lose it as they get older. "Technically",
all adults should not be able to metabolize lactose, but people
typically tend to retain some lactase in their system.
\_ Can lactose tolerance be developed?
\_ Probably. You can also develop tolerance for anthrax.
\_ what about iocane powder. can you really develop tolerance to
that?
\_ It is odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly in liquid,
and is among the deadlier poisons known to man.
\_ Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line
\-Hello there are some mistakes and some semi-accurate
things above. A fair representation of the big picture
with some dicta thrown in is available at:
~psb/MOTD/OnMilkDigestion
\_ Inconceivable!
\_ From my experience, more than 70% of people I
know (from Taiwan, Singapore, China, etc.) from
east asia don't have problem with milk, which
seems to contradict the <30% lactose tolerance
figure given.
\- this is why genetic surveys dont happen via
anonymous motd polls. see second table:
http://lactoseintolerant.org/02_about.html
are you saying the drink milk or they consume
dairy products. not the same thing. or maybe
you just hang out with a lot of 2 yrs olds.--psb
\_ when I was going to primary school in
Singapore, they would have milk programs
and give all the kids milk to drink every
morning. Why would they do that if all
those kids are lactose intolerant?
\- did you miss the part about lactase
production is gradually shut down?
\- did you miss the part where it
says 93% of asian children in
australia are lactase deficient?
also if you look at the figures,
the "shutdown" affects just a
small percentage of the population
(9% to 19% among australian
caucasians). My observation
of most of my east asian acquaintances
drinking milk without problem
includes both children and adults.
\- maybe your friends in sigapore
were "colonized" by sir stamford
raffles and his friends. --psb
\_ hmm ... but the same is true
for my friends from taiwan,
or china. besides, when
singapore was under the brits,
most of the chinese
in singapore were poor coolies,
so incidences of fraternizing
with the brits were very low,
unlike say in British India. |
| 2004/11/28-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:35102 Activity:insanely high |
11/18 [ idiocy deleted.
\_ Why do you hate cheese?
\- cheese ---VSNaipaul--> cheej |
| 2004/11/28-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:35097 Activity:insanely high |
11/27 So I've been told that Italian restaurants in the bay area are
nowhere close to being authentic. Given the hundreds of
restaurants out there, I find this hard to believe. Can someone
(preferably someone who's Italian or who's lived there) comment
on which restaurants come close?
\_ A16 in the Marina District (SF)
\_ Who gives a shit? Are you Italian? Homesickness seems like
the only good reason to try to make sure your food is "authentic"
aside from being a jackass culture snob of course (see below.)
\_ I guess you get your international culinary kicks from Taco
Bell. -John
\_ Ironic. The jackass accusing others of being a jackass.
\_ Not really. I'm a cultural neandrathal jackass accusing
\_ Not really. I'm a cultural neanderthal jackass accusing
other people of being culture snob jackasses. There's a
difference.
\_ C'mon. Are Chinese in SF/Bay Area restaurants authentic?
\_ Absolutely, as long as you don't hang out at P.F. Chiang.
You're obviously not Chinese if you can't tell the difference.
\_ Are you Chinese? Do you have any idea of the effect of the
food trade on the Bay Area?
\_ You've obviously never served (Chinese food).
\_ You are an IDIOT.
\_ You can certainly find authentic Chinese restaurants in the
SF/Bay Area.
\_ Any Chinese restaurants that serve fortune cookies are not
authentic. Any southern Chinese restaurants that serve hot and
sour soup are not authentic.
\_ Pick one of Macella Hazan's cookbooks and take a gander. Italian
food does not mean tomato sauce flavored of garlic on top of pasta.
\_ I have not been to an Italian restaurant in the Bay Area which
serves meals in the way that is typical in Italy. Generally,
in Italy you start with an antipasti plate or bruschetta, then
you have a "primi piatti" (often a pasta, smaller than the pasta
plates served in the U.S.), a "secundi" (fish or meat), and then
often a salad to finish. Generally you're not served bread unless
you order bruschetta.
I think there are a number of places which serve food which is
similar to what you'd get in a restaurant in Italy, but I've not
encountered one which serves similar-sized portions and courses.
-tom
\_ Or which has middle-aged Italian men hitting on desperate fugly
American tourist chicks. -John
\_ mmm, desperate chicks...
\_ this is true, but you can get food that tastes similar to
italian restaurants. of course, italian restaurants and italian
families serve food differently and also taste different.
\_ MMmmm, I like my Italian families with some fava beans and a
nice Chianti. |
| 2004/11/24 [Recreation/Food] UID:35064 Activity:very high |
11/24 they don't fuck around in ukraine
http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041122/full/041122-8.html
\_ Take a look at him before and after the "food" poisoning:
http://economist.com/images/20041030/4404SA4.jpg
scary stuff..
\_ dioxins? chlorinated organic molecules? how hard is it to
be exposed to that through non-deliberate-poisoning?
\_ Dioxins are common in industrial use, as are chlorinated organics
which are also common in agriculture.
\_ A few years ago (around 5?) large amount of dioxin was found
in western Europes's food product and many products (Belgian
chocolate for example) were removed from shelves temporarily.
Food industry claimed that while it shouldn't have been there,
it does no long term harm. So maybe Yushchenko just decided
to OD on stale Godiva? |
| 2004/11/24-26 [Reference/Celebration, Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:35062 Activity:moderate |
11/24 OK, I'm a WASP and I've only ever had Thanksgiving dinner with other
WASPs. What are some ethnic things other people like to have on
Thanksgiving? I'm kinda curious.
\_ "To serve man" -John
\_ Thanksgiving is not an Anglo thing. Just ask anyone from Great
Britian. :p It's a pure American holidy, and for the most part,
we don't do anything other than glad to have couple days off :p
\_ We have this dish called "turkey". It is a very big bird and
we prepare it by roasting it in an oven. We also have corn,
sometimes on the cobb, and there's always the smoked ham we
get from Costco. -williamc
\_ tamales.
\_ We WASCatholics do much the same thing, but then we drink.
\_ Well we put out the good wine on Thanksgiving. -opWASP
\_ From a bottle?
\_ with a cork!
\_ Twist off caps are going to be the hot thing soon
\_ oooh...
\_ Pff... 2 years ago we had a ~20 y.o. bottle of
Stag's Leap Cab. Sauv. -op
\_ Turducken. mmmmm
\_ I just heard about Turducken during a recent trip to Texas,
where are you from?
\_ My family is traditional w/ Thanksgiving, but Persian friends of
ours sometimes make a sweet walnut stew or sour cranberry rice.
Both seem somewhat Thanksgiving-compatible.
\_ See, this is the kind of thing I was asking about. -op
\_ My family is Chinese American. Just about the only thing
we do that's different is instead of stuffing (which we all
think is gross), we use sticky rice.
\_ Inside the turkey?
\_ Navajo. My parents make some food and we take it to the shelter
to feed most of the homeless people who live there. Sometimes
when it's a wasp guy, I think, "I bet this is what it felt like
back then." And then I think of my slaughtered people and spit
in their food when they're not looking. I did that alot when I
worked in a restaurant in high school.
\_ Geee! Now there's a mature attitude to take! Spitting
in someone's food plate, when you're there to help. Stupid
fucking moron. Oh yeah, I bet the guy whose plate you spat
on killed 100 indians, right? -non-WASP
\_ It was really mature of the white people to give Indians
nice warm blankets laced with small pox back in the day.
\_ Is this the first ever Native American race troll on the MOTD?
\_ As a WASP you must atone for your racist imperialist
history.
\_ My in-laws, who are Vietnamese, just eat normal Vietnamese food.
\_ Good to know, I'll be keeping my pets indoors today. |
| 2004/11/22 [Recreation/Food] UID:35014 Activity:high |
11/22 Are restaurant hostess usually attractive?
\_ Yes.
\_ Sushi-O-Sushi in Santa Clara used to have a really gorgeous
Korean hostess. Any one know her personally? |
| 2004/11/19 [Recreation/Food, Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:34975 Activity:very high |
11/19 So, in roughly five years time, when food and travel costs are
>2x current costs with little increase in salaries due to fuel
cost increases, how will the motd readers continue to live in the
Bay Area and pay mortgages? Google "peak oil" if you don't know what
I'm talking about.
\_ ride bike and tuna over rice
\_ some won't. market forces will prevail.
\_ perhaps a better question would be how will all folks who've moved
to the suburbs get by, where they don't even have a shred of a
public transit system, and the people there live even further away
from work than those in the bay area. I can ride-bike+BART to work.
Someone with a 'cheap house' in say Tracy doesn't ahve that option.
\_ Never heard of the train, huh? (ACE train runs from Tracy into
the bay area.)
\_ If that happens life will change. People will work closer to home
and will find ways to make that happen. If food prices double
people will stop eating out so damn much and learn how to cook
again. People adapt. Life goes on. |
| 2004/11/9 [Recreation/Food] UID:34791 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 Why don't we free Taiwan while we're at it? http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/11/09/taiwan.breakfast.ap/index.html \_ Dubya is willing to trade Taiwan for North Korea. \_ no muslims in taiwan \_ Are you Chinese? Do you know that the opium trade did, to, er, yermom? |
| 2004/10/14-15 [Recreation/Food] UID:34127 Activity:insanely high |
10/14 Small quote from http://economist.com article about mcdonalds: "The company is now testing small hand-held devices, which can be used like electronic clip-boards by those making the rounds. Failures to check, say, the temperature inside a refrigerator (the devices are fitted with a probe) or to scan a location barcode (they have a scanner too) when checking the play area, will be recorded. If too many incomplete checks build up, the device can automatically alert the local manager by ringing his mobile phone." Why am I suddenly thinking of that short story about fastfood management software taking over the world? -- ilyas \_ because you're an idiot? \_ Do I need to use defending Ilyas, wrong as he sometimes is, as an excuse to tear you a new bunghole yet again, anonymous motd drug addict? -John \_ hehe, you said 'bunghole' \_ w00t! \_ ilyas, I thought you said that Marshall Brain thing was off-base. Did you change your mind? \_ Yeah, I thought it was complete crack, but I still thought of it. -- ilyas \_ Check out Fast Food Nation if you're at all interested. I think the Marshall Brain thing is crack too, but that book shows how McDonald's is a real pioneer in this sort of thing. They call it "deskilling," and they are very very good at it. The less skill is required for a job, the more easily replaceable the workers become. \_ I steer clear of both McDonalds and books like Fast Food Nation (both make me ill). I think deskilling is good, not bad, because it increases overall productivity which in the long term is a good thing. I don't think McDonalds is sinister. On a slightly unrelated note, I was watching this nature show which was talking about how adaptable the bears are. These days, bears don't even hunt anymore, they just hang out near dumps and eat junk food leftovers. And since it's highly nutricious, they pack on weight for the since it's highly nutritious, they pack on weight for the hibernation, have more young, and in general do very well. I found that very funny. Someone should clue in those bears about the vast evils of junk food. -- ilyas \_ I made no judgement about deskilling good or bad. I do think you're being close-minded about the book though. Give it a shot. It isn't just a partisan rant, there's a ton of interesting facts in it. You will probably disagree with his ultimate conclusions (that fast food has changed our culture in negative ways, and with the blessing and active help of the government), but you may learn a lot of stuff too. He doesn't necessarily argue that McDonald's is "sinister." He's far too smart for that. [sigh, restored] \_ You don't understand. I _don't_ think it's partisan trash. I don't want to read it because I think it will make me physically ill (it talks about a fair number of icky things). -- ilyas number of icky things). I haven't thought about the overall effect of fast food on our society. I can certainly see how it affected us badly. But at the same time you can't underestimate the positives of cheap nutricious food. I think the positives and of cheap nutritious food. I think the positives and the negatives are simply incommensurable in this case. -- ilyas \_ Fast food is neither cheap nor nutricious (unless \_ Fast food is neither cheap nor nutritious (unless you're including $1.10 chinese food, which is just cheap). \_ See above about bears. -- ilyas \_ This doesn't prove that fast food is nutritious; it says nothing about the long term health effects on the bears. Also, without a substantiating source with real scientific credibility, this is anecdotal and has no logical place in a serious discussion. \_ I use 'nutritious' in the good old fashioned sense of 'has calories, you eat it -- you get fatter' sense. I don't have any hard scientific evidence on long term effects of fast food on bears. But I am not sure you can hold it against me, since no one will fund this kind of research. People who study bears know bears do very well on junk food, you can disbelieve them if you want. The issue with bears is they need lots of calories before winter, which junk food provides in spades (i.e. it's nutritious and plentiful). Also, to a bear, a shorter lifespan but more offspring is a good tradeoff. -- ilyas \_ Bears are far more versatile than we are so I wouldn't be surprised if they do fine on junk food. Their preferred behavior is to forage anyway, as opposed to "hunt". However, it's also the case that human activities have reduced many natural bear food sources and shrunk the amount of contiguous habitat available for their natural activities. I don't really see much significance to this whole bear thing. The lifespan comment is ridiculous. \_ The significance to this whole bear thing is that under my definition, junk food is very nutritious -- it lets a giant of an animal go without food for an entire season very easily. This kind of nutritiousness is a huge positive in many situations for people, say people who are extremely poor and malnourished. (They may not be able to hibernate, but they certainly get a lot of value out of this kind of food). Sure, it doesn't have fiber, vitamins, essential minerals, etc. etc. But you take care of that AFTER you make sure you don't croak from calorie lack. I am just saying the crude advantages of junk food are significant and cannot be discounted. Comment about 'ridiculousness' ignored due to lack of explanation and because attacks are lame. Btw, I don't think there is any difference in food versatility between us and bears inherently -- we are both omnivores. Any sort of heightened sensitivity of ours is probably due to the fact that natural selection stopped for us, and our sensitive stomachs aren't dying out anymore. -- ilyas Well you also didn't explain the lifespan _/ thing... it would seem your comment applies to humans as well. And bears can eat grass and other stuff we can't, so presumably can fill some needs that way. I also think your assumptions about the inherent "value" in this food may not be realistic when compared to the cost of cooking food from basics, leaving aside the whole "hidden costs" argument someone else alluded to. (I think also bears can live entirely on meat/fat, like carnivores, and unlike humans. Though I've heard weird things about Inuits.) \_ He's redefined 'nutritious' and then argued from that stand point. It recontextualizes the discussion, and imposes far less vigorous constraints on the point he's trying to argue. As long as you let that happen, he's going to 'win' the debate. It's a clever tactic, though it's not a strictly logical one. I also like how he ignores the fact that bears and humans have significantly different needs from their food, so equating humans to bears is also a far less rigorous point to have to 'prove' especially considering that no facts to back up the initial opinion about junk food being 'good' for bears have been provided. The assertion that no one's done a study or research into the impact of human waste on bears is almost laughably unlikely. \_ Nutrition = a process by which organisms obtain energy (nasa.gov). Nutritious = providing nourishment (dict). I am redefining nothing, I am making concrete what I feel is a reasonably vague definition. I can just feel the venom dripping from your fangs, you poor sap. When did you become so cheerless and morose? I don't know definition. I don't know what shadowy evil you think I am up to with my evil evil debating tactics, but all I am trying to say is that high calorie food does a lot of good in certain rubber-hits-the-road situations, and the harm junk food causes has to be balanced again this good. P.S. Read my assertion about what's not getting funded again. I think you are trying to pull a fast one here. -- ilyas \_ Nice. I've reduced you to ad hominem attacks. You've rather misrepresented me in your interpretation of my attitudes and motives. If it means this much to you to be right, then okay. I've challenged your style of agrument, and you've responded by comparing me to a snake. Okaaaaay. \_ Ok, fair enough. What about the rest? -- ilyas | \_ Well, one definition of nutritious would be | 'contains calories and protein' which I'd say | is generally true. \_ This is specious and largely irrelevant. \_ High fat, high salt, low fiber == not healthy. However they're not forcing people to eat it. \_ Huh? I've never made any claims about anyone being forced to eat anything. What are you talking about here? \_ Fast food is massively subsidized in many ways, if we had to pay the actual costs the system wouldn't work -- see oil. \_ I'm just saying, people buy the unhealthy food in droves knowing it's unhealthy. Given this desire I don't think the industry is at fault. I'd be in favor of restricting child-targetted marketing. Oh and I wasn't really talking to you, just elaborating on the general subject. Here you go. <DEAD>www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Health/What's_In_Meat_FFN.html<DEAD> |
| 2004/10/12 [Politics/Domestic/911, Recreation/Food] UID:34051 Activity:high |
10/12 What is the wisdom of blowing up an unoccupied restaurant that is
used as a terrorist meeting place? Why not raid the restaurant on
the ground while it is actually being used? I doubt the terrorists
are saying: "Damn! They blew up the restaurant. Now we're
screwed." They'll just meet somewhere else. This is stupid.
\_ 1. Hope they get people when they are in the place.
2. Hope other shop owners will care more and not let them meet
at their places.
3. Terrah! 9/11!
\_ Wouldn't it make more sense to stake it out and actually
catch the guys?
\_ Of course not. Blowing up the place intimidates shopkeepers
and has almost no risk of casualties.
\_ What about, I dunno, actually catching/killing some
terrorists? |
| 2004/9/23 [Recreation/Food] UID:33717 Activity:high |
9/23 MOTD Recipe time, because we all love bacon and need to eat our veggies
Finely Chop: 1-2 cloves of garlic, 1/2 yellow onion
Cut up 4 heads of baby bok-choy into bite-size bits
Cut 1/2lb. bacon into 1/2" bits
Heat a frying pan to medium-high
Fry the bacon. When done, remove to paper towels to drain.
Pour out most of the bacon grease but leave about 1 tablespoon worth
Turn down the heat to medium and let the pan cool a bit.
Add the garlic and onion and cook until the onion is translucent
Increase the heat to medium-high and add the bok-choy
Cook until bok choy is tender, then add 1-2 tablespoons soy sauce
Add the cooked bacon and stir it all together.
Put on plate and sprinkle with lemon juice.
\_ Huh? |
| 2004/9/22-23 [Recreation/Food] UID:33699 Activity:nil |
9/22 Has anyone noticed that foods re/heated with the microwave cool
down faster than if a regular oven was used?
\_ Speaking of which, are there any health hazards involved in
using microwaves -- there was a study done a while ago at
Michigan which claimed microwaves create carcinogens in the food.
\_ Because your food is non-conductive, the voltages induced should
not be enough to break chemical bonds. If you heat your food
a piece of metal in it I could see that happening. Also, heating
food-fats in contact with plastic wrap *may* cause the plastic
to release dioxins into the food
\_ http://www.foodsafety.gov/~fsg/fs-mwave.html
\_ This is what you'd expect from the physics of microwaves.
\_ I doubt you understand the physics of microwaves. This is what
you'd expect if you used a conventional oven at a high
temperature to reheat something to the point that it appears to
be warmed, rather than setting the oven for the destination
temperature and waiting long enough.
\_ Conventional ovens heat slowly. By the time you take your food out
heat has had plenty of time to move into the center. When you
microwave something at full power the outside gets hot very fast.
When you take it out, the inside id not very hot, and the outside
cools off faster because its heat is pushing in to the center, where
in a conventionally-heated food the center has already had the time
to get warm. That's why many microwave foods advise you to give
a rest in the middle of the cooking cycle, or advise 50% power:
It's to allow time for the heat to penetrate.
\_ Boy, that's what I said, but instead I got a condescending
snark from some motd butthole.
\_ Your answer was not very helpful, and I'm not the 'butthole'
so leave me out of this.
\_ When did I bring you in?
\_ When you responded to my post to comaplain about some
other guy. |
| 2004/9/20-21 [Recreation/Food, Computer/Theory] UID:33639 Activity:low |
9/20 You overhear a conversation. You know the answer to their
question. What do you do?
\_ What if you're wrong?
\_ If you show uncertainty and weakness, the world will drift
toward tragedy.
\_ I would probably say something, but it depends on context. E.g. if
it is someone sitting next to me at a bar I would be inclined to
butt in, but if it someone at a different table at a nice restaurant
I would not.
\_ If I don't know them, I'd keep my mouth shut. Then I can either
listen to an answer from someone more knowledgeable, or quietly
laugh at someone bluffing who's trying to impress some chicks.
\_ I was in the grocery store and this really fat couple were talking
about breakfast cereal and something about calories. Like why
raisin bran had a lot of calories etc. and I just proferred that
the raisins are sugarcoated. A very awkward silence ensued after
which I scooted out of there real quick-like.
\_ All cereals have essentially the same calories/ounce, regardless
of how much sugar they have.
\_ Totally depends of the type of question. If it's something
like Math or CS, yeah, butt in. If it's what this guy should
do about his cheating girlfriend, stay far away.
\_ BZT! You are supposed to ask the guy for his gf's phone #.
\_ If it's some guy at a store asking "What do I need to buy to do X"
and the salesman's saying "Hmmm...." I'll butt-in. If their friend
seems to have some sort of clue, I'll let them make due without my
input.
\-for sales people, if it is just anecdotal or preferences --
"sure that is a comfortable camping chair" -- i dont comment but
i have heard salesmen at places like REI give defintitely bad
advice w.r.t. things like water filtration ... so sometimes
i will say something after the saleperson goes away. if it is
something like "what was the movie with X where he Ys ..."
then obviously that is sort of situational. |
| 2004/9/16 [Transportation/Airplane, Recreation/Food] UID:33561 Activity:high |
9/16 How does Hooters manage to hire only chicks with hot boobs as
waitresses and yet avoid discrimination lawsuits?
\_ It's legal to discriminate on physical appearance if it is necessary
to the performance of the job. Being hot is not a requirement to
be a waitress. However, being hot is a requirement to perform the
Hooters waitress job, and looking presentable is a requirement for
most customer service jobs.
\_ uh, what if you're a racist and you open up a steak house and
decide to hire only white chicks to preserve the tradition?
\_ Uhm, no. Hooters was sued by a number of men and they settled
out of court. The EEOC investigated the matter for four years,
but they dropped the matter since nobody really cared. So
it's still undecided (since none of the cases made it to
court) on whether or not Hooters really can get away with
this sort of thing. They can basically discriminate until
someone else files a suit against them and it actuallly makes
it to court. Please refrain on commenting on things you don't
know anything about.
\_ An employer can discriminate based on appearance. This
has been upheld many times from beards at Disneyland to
tattoos and piercings. The policy needs to be applied
consistently and comply with EEO guidelines with regards
to race, sex, religion, etc. Even discriminating by age
is acceptable in some instances.
\_ Again, no. You are being overly general. An employer
may or may not discriminate based on appearance depending
on what jurisdiction the business is in and what type of
business it is. It varies from
state to state and the Federal Government has been
unclear about this issue. There hasn't been a big enough
case to go to the courts to determine this issue once and
for all since most of the suits are settled out of court.
Since most likely no employer is going to overtly say
that they didn't hire so-and-so because of their looks
(they would be really stupid to do so) it's also a
somewhat difficult case to litigate, and there aren't
any real federal statutes on this yet.
\_ People have been fired (or threatened to be fired)
based on appearance. Again, an example was beards
at Disneyland. This is allowed. Go look at the EEO
web site to see what kinds of discrimination are
allowed and in what instances.
\_ At Disneyland, you're hired as an actor for a part.
\_ Exactly. This is a perfect example of being able to
discriminate based on appearance. The women at
Hooter's are not hired for their waitressing
skills. However, if one is fired for being Muslim
then she has a case.
\_ The burka might pose a problem for working at
Hooters.
\_ I've never been to Hooters. Do the waitress actually do more
with their bodies than merely walking around and showing off?
And I thought even the showing-off part is just unwritten mutual
understanding between the waitress and the employer, not written
rules.
\_ Depends a lot on the location, but quite honestly, Hooters
is just the right speed for married guys who don't want to
cheat, but want to act "bad" for a while. Some Hooters had
waitresses play Twister, and it works for some, others not.
\_ Cf. Coyote Ugly Saloon in NYC. You can look, but you know
you can't touch. Very relaxing, really.
\_ How much do Hooters waitresses get paid?
\_ I don't know, but most waitress jobs get shit for salary and make
their living off tips. I'd assume tips are even more important
at a place like that.
\_ Which is exactly why Hooters doesn't have to worry too much
about guys applying. They'll get no tips. Go Capitalism!
\_ Cf. Chippendale's.
\_ I know that airline stewardess have gotten uglier and uglier by
the generation. Either it's the junk food or the system.
\_ It used to be a very glamorous job. Flying was such a
luxury. Now you are stuck serving soda to a family from Des
Moines. I assume that salaries are also lower now,
contributing to cheaper tickets.
\_ It seems just from observation that what young cuties there
are are stuck flying crappy domestic routes, and old
battleaxes get the "glamorous" international routes.
Sometimes you find someone hot with language skills on
international flights. First/business stewardesses tend to
be more attractive too.
\_ It must be that stewardess get to choose the routes based
on seniority.
\_ Yep, I assume so. Damn unions.
\_ That's only US airlines. Try Singapore Airline or JAL, where
discrimination against ugly applicants are still legal.
\_ Emirates Air has by far the best eye candy. The Singapore
girls are also very nice. I once flew Air NZ with some
significantly cute attendants, and one Auda flight had
a model-quality attendant. Small sample size on those
though.
\_ I agree, Singapore Air ladies are nice to look at. The
uniforms are pretty cool too.
\_ Yes, it's only the US airlines. Damn those unions. |
| 2004/9/1 [Health, Recreation/Food] UID:33280 Activity:nil |
9/1 Knock Knock
\_ OB: Who's there?
\_ Doctor
\_ OB: Doctor Who?
\_ The Time Lord!
\_ That's right.
\_ Dalek Voice: Exterminate!
\_ Pizza?
\_ OB: Pizza who?
\_ Come out here a get a pizza me!
\_ You want me to piss at you? Sure.
\_ Pizza to meet you!
\_ Yermom
\_ Yermom who?
\_ Your own mother! Now open the door.
\_ Control freak. Now you say "Control freak who?" |
| 2004/8/1-2 [Health/Disease/General, Recreation/Food] UID:32619 Activity:insanely high |
8/1 I found a bug on the organic Raomain I bought from Trader Joe. Is is
still edible as raw salad? I know organic farming means not relying on
pesticide to kill of bugs but would there be a danger from parasites?
\_ TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT
\_ Eat the bug and like it! If necessary, you CAN be wormed.
\_ If this sort of stuff bothers you, you can buy kosher food.
Many people do, even if their religion does not require it. -- ilyas
\_ It's food. Food that is grown is grown outside. Insects and
animals live outside. Food that is grown outside will be touched
by insects and animals. That is the way the world is. Occasionally
one of those insects will make it into the packaging, especially
with leafy greens. Throw the bug away and wash the lettuce, problem
solved. Are you people really that removed from where your food
comes from? -aspo
\_ Aspo, no offense, but you are an idiot. What about greenhouse
grown food? Is that 'outside'? Get a clue.
\_ Um, yeah, uh, greenhouse grown food is grown in an anti-
septic foam nutrient solution. Food technicians in
Intel "bunny suits" meticulously pluck any alien life
forms from salad leaves, carefully brushing each leaf to
ensure a complete absence of unwanted bugs, weeds,
chemicals, or icky "dirt". -John
\_ If you knew how many bug bits are in every carton of fruit
juice, organic or no, you probably wouldn't be bothered by
this at all. Still, I think the whole organic thing is BS.
Genetically modified often means the plants have better natural
resistance to pests, so they can use fewer pesticides than
organic crops, not more. BTW, leafy stuff should be fine if
you wash it. Sprouts, broccoli, etc, is the kind of thing you
should cook.
\_ If the pests don't even want to eat them, do you?
\_ I don't think you know what 'organic' means. The federal
standard provides that the food is produced without
pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, irraditation, or
bioengineering.
\_ While most organic farming is bs, there is one aspect in
which genetically modified crops are worse. Many gm grains
do not produce seeds that can be reused for the next growing
season which means that farmers must purchase new seeds
every year rather than simply take seeds from the last
harvest. The fact that farmers are beholden to ADM or some
other large conglomerate is worrying, but the main problem
is that by moving the natural selection process for grain
from the wild to the lab, we can make the grains less
able to cope with new forms of pests and infection.
There is another lesser concern with gm crops for some
peta/vegans, and that is crops which include animal genes
might violate their no exploting animals principle.
\_ There are no crops for consumption that I'm aware of
that contain animal genes. When I've done work with
animal genes in plants, it's been as a research tool,
it serves no purpose to put an animal gene into a
plant for crop use.
\_ There's a strawberry which contains a protein from a fish
which makes them resistant to freezing (natural antifreeze)
I don't think it's been approved for human consumption,
though.
\_ http://www.geo-pie.cornell.edu/media/fishberries.html
\_ What about crops which are more resistant to herbicides
which encourage farmers to apply more weedkiller?
\_ Oh, and it's especially cute when the crop in question can
interbreed with wild varieties and give them herbicidal
resistance too.
\_ I think anyone who's done farming knows that it's always
better to try and use the minimal amount of chemicals.
The best way to do that, ultimately, will be with GM
crops, not organic. Besides which, organic crops alone
cannot produce enough yield to feed our population,
so unless 2 billion people volunteer to not eat in the
future, or environmentalists agree to start letting
us convert forests to farm land, then GM crops are the
only option. Besides, everything is genetically
modified, it's just that in the lab we can do it more
efficiently.
\_ You're not too bright are you? Just by switching from
slash and burn to organized agriculture I am sure we
could produce enough food. There isn't a shortage of
food in the world and this is not because of
pesticides. There's plenty of arable land left unused.
\_ You should read the Skeptical Environmentalist. He
makes it quite clear that by properly farming the
land already converted for agriculture use we could
easily feed the entire planet (even if the population
continues to increase). GM isn't really needed and
in the case of grains with the "terminator" gene,
it will actually make things worse since subsistence
farming will stop being the strong cheap source of
food for the developing world. |
| 2004/8/1-2 [Recreation/Food] UID:32617 Activity:low |
8/1 Electronic Frontier Foundation's FREEDOM FEST 2004
Music, Food, Drink, Geeks - http://www.eff.org/freedomfest
Wed Aug 4th 5-8 PM, Yerba Buena Gardens, SF
\_ Was it called FRENCH FEST before? -- french food #1 fan |
| 2004/7/21 [Recreation/Food] UID:32401 Activity:very high |
7/21 Finally, the truth about ketchup as a vegetable!
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040716.html
\_ dammit! I can't believe that cliffhanger at the end. I want to know
\_ wdammit! I can't believe that cliffhanger at the end. I want to kno
the story of the french fries and the bankruptcy settlements!
\_ Thank god! Now that this minor footnote to history has been cleared
up, I can breath easier! THANK YOU MOTD GODS! |
| 2004/7/2-3 [Recreation/Food] UID:31143 Activity:nil |
7/2 Anybody know the caffeine content of chocolate covered espresso beans?
I couldn't find anything online.
\_ Roast coffee is about 1% caffeine by mass. A 2tbls measure of
coffee beans is 15-20gms, IIRC. Measure out how many half-beans
are in a scoop. Then you can fine the mass per half-bean. I'd
guestimate it's in the 100-300mg range, which would mean 10-30mg
caffeint per candy. |
| 2004/6/22 [Recreation/Food] UID:30944 Activity:very high |
6/22 Is Global a decent knife? I've been looking for a good knife for a
while: http://csua.org/u/7ux
\_ Tac-11 is a pretty good knife. Heh. -- ilyas
\_ I can't believe someone erased my post about the only knife a
man needs. You people are cold and vicious.
\_ Believe it or not, I'm using Miracle Blade II right now ... They
are really sharp, really cheap and can go into the dishwasher....
Yes, this is heresy, but try it out (cheap!):
http://www.alltvstuff.com/mb1.html -eric
\_ While I haven't used that particular knife, it looks like any
other cheap stamped blade. These types of knives start out very
sharp, but don't hold their edge well. The blade is also too
flexible. You end up with a wobbly dull knife with a ragged
blade; not very safe. Any knife can go through the dishwasher,
but the reason good knives say not to is because they will bang
into other things and get dull faster.
\_ Globals are not all stamped. Its the alloy they use
that lets it keep its edge.
\_ I never said ANY Globals were stamped. I said it looks
like all the "Chef Tony" knives are stamped.
\_ some global knives are stamped, that's why they have
a separate forged series that is heavier
\_ Along those lines, how about someone telling us the scoop on
Ron Popeil's latest infomercial set:
http://www.popeilfamilystore.com/6star.html
I've seen that infomercial a couple times now (well bits of it,
there's something hypnotic about that guy) and it had me ready
to buy, but I always figure these things are scams.
\_ It's an $870 value! Yours today for only $39.99!
\_ Wusthof! Wusthof Classic is the STANDARD!
OK, now that I've gotten that out of the way: I've only used Global
a little, but the ergonomic design seems quite good. As a new knife
it was very nice. The big difference about Global is that their
steel has a lot of vanadium in it. This makes the blades harder
(and presumably more brittle). These knives are also honed to a
sharper angle than most good knives. This makes them seem sharper.
The reason most knives are honed to a wider angle is that a wider
wedge holds its edge longer. Global knives, because of their
harder alloy, can get away with the sharper honing. This extra
hardness and sharpness comes at a price. These knives are very
hard for most people to resharpen with a stone or steel. When the
knives eventually need resharpening, you will probably have to take
them to a professional.
\_ Wusthof/Solingen is totally overpriced. They're good knives,
but you can get equally good ones for half the money. Want a
tip? Ask a chef. The knives are often their most prized
possessions. -John
\_ Agreed. -Wusthof guy
\_ I've known two chefs and both used Wustof knives. I use
them myself. I would consider Henckels. What knives are
equally good for 50% of the cost?
\_ Do you guys sharpen them yourself with a sharpening
stone, or have it done professionally? And how often?
\_ With a steel every few months, or right before a big
cutting job. The steel corrects minor dulling of the
blade. A professional uses a grinder and actually
grinds off metal to create a new edge. You should hone
reasonably often and take it to a grinder only rarely.
\_ do you mean truing it on a steel? I took the knife
skills class at Sur La Table (very useful, btw), and
the chef suggested to true briefly every time you use.
I've heard that you can use a sharpening stone instead
of having it ground, but that you should do one or the
other yearly if you use the knife often. I've had my
Henckels for a few years and never done this, and was
thinking I probably should, but wasn't sure which
option to take (tempted to try the stone, but don't
want to mess them up)
\_ There are some forged Sabatier knives that are 80% as good
for 30% of the cost.
\_ They're fairly light, which might be good or bad depending
on how you plan on using them.
\_ Will they still be usable if I stab a guy in the head with them?
\_ yes, you can still cut thru an aluminum can with it
\_ o.O The guy's head can cut thru an aluminum can? Whoa.
\_ I _love_ my global knives. I have owned and used Wusthof, Henkel,
and Chicago Cutlery previously. Global kicks their butts. Global
is fairly light, very sharp (I hear they have a special edge on
them). They are an excellent value, imho. --chris
\_ Just curious how one owns knives "previously"? They should
last a lifetime. I bought my Wustof knives and I will never
buy another knife again because there is no need. If they do
break (possible, but unlikely) you can get them replaced
for free. How have you gone through so many knives?!
\_ One per skull? I don't think they're designed to penetrate
solid bone like that and the replacement policy won't cover
fraud or felonious use of device.
\_ That actually brings up a good point -- once you've got
the knife firmly lodged in a guy's skull, what's the best
way to get it back out? Twisting or pulling? Or do you
rock it out? Which way do you rock?
\_ You brace your foot against his neck/shoulder and pull
back with both hands if the knife handle is large enough
or just one hand with smaller knives.
\_ There are other companies also using the same alloy as
Global without the contemporary one piece look.
\_ I really like Global, but they're pretty light and some people
like a knife that feels more solid when they hold it. - mikeym
\_ I bought a block set of Henckel's Professional S. They look nice
and work great. They've also held their edge well for a few years
without needing sharpening (fairly light use). Individually,
any good knife is pricey; in a set they're not too bad. The best
piece of advice I've heard is: the best knife is the one you use.
One that feels good in someone else's hand won't necessarily feel
good in yours. Beyond that, Wusthoff, Henckels, and Global are
all good bets.
\_ Based on advice from the knife skills class and the book
"kitchen confidential", I found that I only needed a very small
subset of the "full block." Specifically, a good chef's knife,
a good paring knife (I got two, a long and a short), and a
z-offset serrated knife. The latter is *great* for cutting
lots of misc items (tomato, bread, ...), more practical than
a normal bread knife. Oh, and a truing steel, of course.
\_ My block came with: 6" extra-tall chef's, 8" chef's,
long slicer, paring, steel, 6 steak knives, block, bread
knife, "utility" (short serrated), and a 6" slicer.
I used every single one routinely except the utility.
I could certainly get by w/ fewer, but I like having them.
--dbushong |
| 2004/6/16 [Recreation/Activities, Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:30831 Activity:very high 66%like:34588 |
6/16 KISS MY ASS, LAKERS!!!
\_ Yah -- it made my day when the lakers went down in flames.
\_ No one cares. Sorry. Sports just aren't important. Have some
bread with your circuses.
\_ Speak for yourself, geekboy. How's that wedgie doing?
\_ How's the bread taste? Best circus I've seen since the
one last week! Pass me a beer and a joint!
\_ Bread? Dunno, don't watch the games. Don't smoke out
either, so you're on your own there, too, Mr. Pothead Dork.
I don't think you're as smart as you think you are.
Perhaps you'd better stick to EQ.
\_ thank you, NERFAMC
\_ Ok, so you drink, you don't get laid, can't identify
a bread product and watch a lot of sports. Big winner!
\_ heh, let's see: assumption, projection, assumption,
poor reading comprehension. 0/4. Big Winner! Keep
trying, Dorkie.
\_ *laugh* ok, how about this: you're anal, boring,
drink, don't get laid with women, watch a lot of
sports, like bread products and take it up the
ass from your boyfriend twice a week.
\_ I might take your moral superiority seriously if I thought you
were in the peace corps, or donating all your free time to a
non-profit, but in reality I'm sure you're just some geek into
videogames, comic books, and sci-fi who just doesn't like sports.
\_ What moral superiority? I never said I was better. I said
sports aren't important. Sorry, no vgs, cbs or sci-fi.
\_ The only thing better than watching the Lakers lose was watching
the Red Sox kick the Yankees' asses in New York. |
| 2004/6/15-16 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:30813 Activity:nil |
6/14 http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5414783 Korean dumpling is rotten. This reminds me of the time when I bought a bottled Korean Ginseng drink and got a huge headache and bloody red eyes. I don't trust Korean made food anymore. \_ Try fresh ramen or the rice. That shit is really good. Also the quality of their tofu is excellent. Pulmone brand is my favorite. You can actually smell the freshness when you open the packaging. \_ Won't somebody PLEASE think of the SHIN RAMYUN! \_ Isn't all Korean food basically rotten? I thought that was part of the process (letting it ferment). \_ Bad troll, no kimchee. |
| 2004/6/15 [Recreation/Food] UID:30812 Activity:high |
6/14 How much does Noah's Bagel charge for a tiny portion of cream cheese
nowadays? $3? $4? How about bagels? Still 50 cents?
\_ Why do you hate capitalism? Buy your cheese somewhere else. |
| 2004/6/8-9 [Recreation/Food] UID:30687 Activity:insanely high |
6/8 California roll poll:
yum: ..
yuck: ..
\_ unagi: ..
tastes like vagina: .
\_ I love unagi, but then, I also love vagina.
\_ tamago:
overpriced piece of egg: ..
\_ sanma:
smells like rotten fish: .
\_ uni is the best: .
\_ As a gf once put it: I wanted you to eat that because it has
the same texture as cum, and I wanted you to understand why
I spit.
\_ your gf has bad taste. granted these things may be an
acquired taste.
\_ Hey, some of us got snowballed instead.
\_ Either you need to see a doctor or your gf is flawed. All of
my gfs always said it doesn't taste like much of anything.
\_ -4 Hit Points for poor reading comprehension.
texture != taste: "...the same texture as cum,..."
\_ Shrug. She's still flawed or you need to see a doctor
because you're cumming something the texture of uni.
\_ Sushi Ran spider roll:
the fried head is great for grossing out Sausalito ex-hippies: .
\_ saba: . |
| 2004/5/22-23 [Recreation/Food] UID:30365 Activity:high |
5/22 Are Tullys & Starbucks one company? Why does Tullys also have Tall,
Grande, Venti sizes?
\_ Short and Tall used to be standard sizes for real coffee houses.
Starbucks dropped short as a pussy size.
\_ I think Starbucks has the patent on Tall(r), Grande(r) and Venti(r)
sizes. There's also a suit recently filed between McDonald's and
Burger King over the use of the terms "small, medium, large" in the
soft drink sales side of the fast food business.
\_ Peets > Starbucks.
\_ Peets? When I worked near a Peets I stopped drinking cafe drinks
because it was so horrible.
\_ real coffee tastes bitter. when you load it with sugar, it
tastes more like a soft drink. st*rbucks knows its market.
most americans are still novices with espresso drinks. try a
local coffee house and find out which barista is good. variety
is the spice of life. try not to get hooked on st*rbucks
push-button machines one-flavor-fits-all (like McDonald's)
model. |
| 2004/5/22 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Food] UID:30364 Activity:nil |
5/22 Cheezy poll, I love:
feta cheese:
blue cheese:
all cheese: .
squeezy cheese:
chedar:
\_ I hate:
feta cheese: .
blue cheese: .
all cheese: |
| 2004/5/18 [Recreation/Food] UID:30271 Activity:insanely high |
5/18 A friend who lives in a developing country is concerned with the
quality of milk there (hormone, anti-biotics and other additives)
and asks me if whey powder produced in the US is a good substitute for
both adult and child. I googled and found only sales pitches but no
study/advice from any medical establishment. What does the wisdom of
motd say? tnx.
\_ US brands have the same shit in them. buy organic, it's the
only way to be sure.
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ There are non organic brands that don't have any of that stuff
\_ It can be much worse in other countries with loose regulation.
Anyway, what about whey as a substitute for normal milk?
\_ Why do you hate capitalism?
\_ Milk is bad for you anyway. Children should be breastfed until they
can walk and then not drink milk. Adults should never drink milk.
\_ troll
\_ there's wisdom on the motd?
\_ I wouldn't be surpirised to find out that milk and meat produced
in most developing countries are whole lot healthier than what's
being sold in the US. I have overheard a farmer from central
America once claim than their pigs are fed nothing but grass.
Compare that to what they feed pigs in the US at most industrial
(non-organic) farms.
\_ Why not just use powdered milk?
\_ Powdered milk is unhealthy, I heard, because the procedure
involves heating the milk to rather high temperature and hence
creating nasty things. I don't know if whey powder suffers
\_ As opposed to Pasteurization?
from the same problem but can't find authoritive info. on this.
\_ Milk is bad for you. Adults and children of walking age or older
should not be drinking milk. Why did someone censor this warning?
\_ Actually, it's probably even worse for children not of walking
age. http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/milk.html.
\_ Oh please. The front page has the following graphics:
Risks of low-carb high-protein diets
Cruelty at the March of Dimes (about animal experiments)
Why is the American Cancer Society PUSHING BEEF?
Dissection alternatives
Super Size Me
Is something FISHY on Federal Dietary Committee?
Can you say: in bed with PETA? I knew you could.
\_ Isn't this the organization that claimed Atkins died
because of his diet?
\_ and tiger penises good for virility right?
\_ It sounded like a troll. It is anyway a stretch to say milk
is bad in such general terms. It is always good to have a
balanced diet.
\_ I'd post my britney spears url pic here but i'm too lazy.
\_ non sequitor |
| 2004/5/11 [Recreation/Food] UID:30148 Activity:very high |
5/10 I am interesting in having dinner with my operative from Palo Alto.
Any recommendations for "neutral ground" between SF and PA? ok tnx.
\_ I'll give you a recommendation if yout tell me what an operative is.
\_ it's a pretentious way of saying "friend." -tom
\_ no, he's a spy for the kgb.
\_ price/cuisine?
\_ basque cultural center.
\- oh that is a good idea. i wanted to try that. however, any
recs a little farther south?. tnx.
\_ prince of wales. juban. spiedo.
\_ what? operative? neutral ground? what are you, RUSSIAN???
\_ It's a bondage MI thing. He is planning an American
conservative "hazing" ritual and his operative will administer
deep multiple penetration to him. |
| 2004/5/5-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:30036 Activity:moderate |
5/5 What do people think about the new "Cafe Durant" (where Wall Berlin
used to be)?
\_ what's in it? is it still the same crazy boba-tea/TV hut?
like Central Perk for FOBs?
\_ I was wondering more about food.
\_ "Cafe Durant" is not new. Wasn't it *always* above the Wall
Berlin space?
\_ Yeah, the new restaurant that replaced Wall Berlin is
"Old Tea House," which is okay food-wise, but decent boba.
Cafe Durant is still there upstairs.
\_ Fuck, when did this happen? What happened to the piece of
the Berlin Wall?
\_ Wall Berlin was closed at least since last June when I
started working in Berkeley. Haven't been around Berkeley
much before then, so I don't know when they actually
closed. |
| 2004/5/3-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:29954 Activity:insanely high |
5/2 History: Noah's Bagel opened up on Telegraph in 92/93. Is it still
around? It was October, 1993... I was turning in my 60a HW and on
the way I bought a .50 bagel and got tricked into buying their
special $2.00 strawberry cream cheese. I blew 2 friggin dollars...
worth good 6 cup-o-noodles that I could have eaten while playing
diku-mud. Instead all I got was this stingy little pack of
cream cheese. Damnit!!! Is it still around? IS IT??? -bitter old alum
\_ Weaksauce. You were still playing diku-muds in 93?
I was already on AP because of diku-muds by 92.
BTW, you could have gone down the street to one of the
various bakeries and bought a day old loaf of bread for
that much and eaten for a week. Thats how I survived
spring break.
\_ It's still around, and Noah's as a whole is springing up
everywhere. There were some teevee ads a few months ago,
but I haven't seen them recently. I've been told that the
one on Telegraph is the very first one, is this true? |
| 2004/4/27 [Recreation/Food] UID:13405 Activity:nil |
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\_ I like to cook baby cows in their mother's milk.
\_ There is a kind of Japanese food that cooks chicken with eggs,
and the name is literally mother-kid-something.
\_ Oyako-don:
http://www.jfc.com/recipes/jlist/rice/oyakodon.html |
| 2004/4/27 [Recreation/Food] UID:13400 Activity:nil 66%like:13404 |
4/27 Do any of you like natto? What's the appeal?
\_ I thought this was Japanese porn or something like bukake but
turns out to be food.
\_ Is it anything like Dweanjong? (Korean soy bean paste.)
\_ Fermented whole soybeans that smell like rotten armpits
\_ More like stinky feet.
\_ Once you get used to the taste and the smell, it tastes good and
is full of great nutrients. My wife likes to eat it with a raw
egg. --erikred
\_ I'm so sorry.
\_ I concur. About half the Japanese people I asked didn't like
natto, either, or weren't admitting it anyway.
-- ulysses
\_ True! Natto is generally considered a Kanto thing. Most
southerners tend to beat it away with a stick. Me, I like
it. Now, sea urchin, on the other hand, wtf? --erikred
\_ I've never had the pleasure (misfortune?) to try uni.
What's it like?
\_ I've had uni a total of three times my whole life.
Everytime, I keep forgetting what it tastes like
so I try it again to remind myself how bad it is.
I do have to admit that it gets better each time
but I still don't like it. I think that yellow
stuff inside a crab is the closest thing I can
think of.
\_ It's a very odd texture (which is what i think turns
most people off). Sort of a cross between a soft
patee and jelly. It's sort of mildly sweet with a
bitter finish. It's worth trying just to find out
what it's like.
\_ Watch out for Salmonella.
\_ Very very few eggs contain salmonella, and the amount in an
infected egg is generally small enough that a healthy person
can fight it off with no problem.
\_ http://www.gaia21.net/natto/natto.htm |
| 2004/4/25 [Recreation/Food] UID:13366 Activity:nil Cat_by:rory |
4/23 Can someone recommend a good brand for French press coffee makers?
\_ Bodum is The Definative french press. (And the original) -aspo |
| 2004/4/23-24 [Recreation/Food, Health/Sleeping, Health/Disease/General] UID:13354 Activity:nil 54%like:13249 |
4/23 For the person who was asking about why dogs eat their poop:
http://www.heptune.com/poop.html
\_ Am I the only one who suspects that that pinworm bit is just an
attempt to get people to stick tape on their asshair?
\_ sounded like a stretch to me, too
\_ I think most people have pinworms at some point in their
lives, usually as children. Most people outgrow sticking
their fingers in their mouths. (Not me btw, I do it
all the time, so I guess I should check) |
| 2004/4/20 [Recreation/Food] UID:13286 Activity:nil |
4/19 partha, my ass hurts whenever I eat spicy food, does this happen
to you and how do you deal with it? Should I ask a non-Bengali,
Southern Indian instead?
\_ Tamil food is the best Indian food!
\_ Stop whoring your ass out for food. ok tnx.
\_ Said an Indian friend of mine, "on the whole, it's good, but on
the hole it's very very bad." -John
\_ My asshole hurts all the time these days. You get used to it.
\_ Get out of the chair and get some exercise, fat sysadmin!
\_ eat fiber! |
| 2004/4/18 [Recreation/Food] UID:13252 Activity:nil |
4/18 What's a good steak/prime rib place in the East Bay?
If i was in SF i'd go to Harris Ranch or house of prime rib.
I'd prefer somthing that is not any more expensive than those.
\_ La Val's, Durant.
\_ Not a steak place as such, but Cafe Rouge does a good steak.
\_ wife wants prime rib.
\_ i got some prime rib for her right here.
\_ shoot the wife. go to val's.
\_ Vic Stewart in Walnut Creek. Be prepared to pay for it though. |
| 2004/4/12 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:13155 Activity:nil |
4/12 Motd restaurant review: Liaison Bistro, Berkeley
Decor was pleasant, if perhaps a little overwrought in its attempt to
recreate an authentic French bistro(t). Service was polite and
attentice, without being solicitous. Roast leg of lamb was excellent;
fairly strong sauce complemented the meat nicely without overpowering
it. Duck confit was very good. It was moist and flavorful. I would
have prefered some vegetables in the presentation. Marinated artichoke
was good and the presentation with citrus and fennel complemented well.
Sauteed spinach also good. Not too special but well done. Desserts
were mixed. Tarte tatin was good but not special. Side of rum raisin
gelato went well. Crust was a bit soggy. Poached pear was poached in
red wine, served with very rich vanilla ice cream and slice of puff
pastry. Topped with excellent dark chocolate sauce, which unfortunately
distracted from the rest of the dessert. Creme brulee had excellent
custard with a lot of vanilla, but the sugar was too thin so it didn't
form a stiff crust.
\_ hello tawei. learn to indent.
\_ I'm not tawei
\_ restaurant/movie reviews with no attribution are worthless.
\_ tawei hasn't logged in for a month
\_ I haven't eaten at Liason in over a year, but I recall it was quite
good. They had fresh oysters on the half shell as a specialty
appetizer which was excellent. Portions were niggardly (no that's
not a slur, look it up), but the meal was enjoyable nonetheless.
\_ Oh dans, you are so smart and manly, can I suck your
cock please? Pretty please with sugar on top?
\_ Geez, you're really hostile. You should work on that.
You'll forgive my defensiveness, but college professors
have been kicked off campuses because some reactionary
elements choose not to use dictionaries. In this case,
it was the right word.
-dans
\_ college professor? I thought it was some city
official on the right coast.
Personally, I prefer Gregoire on Cedar. The food is comparable to
that at Liaison, and, though not cheap, much more reasonably priced.
Decor is, however, nonexistent. -dans
\_ The portions seemed fine last night. Probably depends on what
you order.
\_ I'd believe that. As I said, I haven't eaten there in over a
year. A lot can change in a year. -dans
\_ So wait, Kinney's stuff is bad, but this excretion is ok?
\_ basically, kinney's stuff is much longer, and he is known for it.
personally I like his posts, though.
\_ me too. |
| 2004/3/29-30 [Recreation/Food] UID:12901 Activity:very high |
3/29 What do these taste like? (chicken, beef)
Horse -
\_ somewhat stringy, but mostly like beef. Like flank steak.
\_ did you have to go to Europe to try this?
\_ When horse eating is outlawed, only outlaws will eat horse!
\_ Japan, actually, and I had it raw.
Whale -
\_ like a very thick venison. Not as good as dolphin IMO -brain
Ostrich - beef. Go to any Fuddruckers for ostrich burger. Lean and
high protein content.
\_ totally. Warning- it's also HEAVY like beef. -brain
Are you chinese? _/
Rabbit - chicken.
- Firmer and gamey-er than chicken. Tasty but lots of bones.
Frog Legs - softer than chicken
\_ kind of like a cross between fish and chicken -brain
Dog - black goat
Escargot - like oyster. Put lots of melted butter to kill the taste
Goat - is it the same as lamb?
\_ No, I can't stand lamb, but like goat.
\_ It depends on how prepared. It's normally gamier than lamb.
\_ what does it mean to be "gamey?"
\_ I'd say it's a combination of tangy, musky, and rich.
Alligator - rubbery. There's a Cajun place in Sac that serves this
\_ kinda like pork... easily overcooked; choose your chef
wisely! -brain
\_ like fish.
Snake - chicken
\_Mine was burnt, but tasted like chicken.
Beaver - Unless it's fresh, kinda like ahi
Soylent Green - yermom
"Long pork" - Like tube steak
Whale Sperm - like Vanilla milk shake
Whale Sperm -
Kangaroo - Gamey
Homosapien -
Homosapien - sweet pork
Placenta -
Antelope - like venison but super gamey and sagey, almost inedible
Venison - like really lean beef but with a gamey skunky quality
Elk - like good lean beef, really delcious
\_ are you a hunter? Where do you hunt? What weapon
do you use?
\_ I'm a Level 6 hunter with a +3 vorpal 7mm rifle. Why?
Moose - ditto, but not quite as lean, so more tender
Bear - a cross between duck and pork, but gamey
Homosapien -
Placenta -
the time I ate it it was way overcooked
\_ How do wild turkeys differ from farmed? |
| 2004/3/23-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:12818 Activity:nil |
3/23 Do you tip when you get togo food? Like if you pickup a large pizza,
or get $15 in chinese togo?
\_ I tip the girl at the local pizza place. She's a cutie. The
ugly green haired chick at starbucks with the bad attitude gets
zippo.
\_ pixP (just the cutie)
\_ No. Why would you do that? They didn't do any service. Do you tip
cashiers in other stores?
\_ sometimes they're nice.
\_ Not as a general rule; but sometimes, yes. For ex, there is a great
deli I go to where the sandwhich guys cut up a huge roast beef in
front of you and make pleasant conversation... I usually tip a
buck on a $12 sandwhich just to say thanks for the good service.
\_ I usually leave my change in the tip jar.
\_ One time I tipped a pizza delivery guy and tried to say "keep the
change", but I guess he thought I was being patronizing because
he suddenly got all pissed off and threw the change on the ground
and went away. So now I'm afraid to give people small amounts of
change for fear they'll feel humiliated or something.
\_ Pizza delivery requires at least a two dollar tip.
http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com/general/amount.htm
\_ you're asking the pizza guy? $1 or 10%, whichever is
greater. -tom
\_ I gotta agree with the pizza guy that they're in the
same boat as waiters, but worse. I generally do 15%
unless it's a huge order. |
| 2004/3/19-20 [Recreation/Food] UID:12759 Activity:low |
3/19 What variety of Mackerel is commonly served as 'Saba' in Japanese
restaurants in the Bay Area?
\_ it's pickled you know... it doesn't naturally taste like that!
\_ I know, but there are a lot of species of mackerel and I'm
\_ I know, but there are al ot of species of mackerel and I'm
curious which one is served.
curious which one is served.
\_ the dead one. |
| 2004/3/19-20 [Recreation/Food] UID:12754 Activity:kinda low |
3/19 What culture has the healthiest food overall? Japanese?
\_ Vaginins.
\_ Vegans
\_ Vegitirians
\_ Vegitarianarian Cannibals
\_ Vegitarianarian? Is that a vegetarian Aryan (a meat Nazi?!)?
Or does this have something to do with antidisestablishmentarians?
\_ yes.
\_ Just super-size at Mickey Dee's.
\_ They are discontinuing super-size portions.
\_ If the longest resulting healthy lifespan is the measure, then
it would be the Okinawan diet, but that's just one part: add
low stress, good attitute and physical activity and you get the
longest lived people in the world. And it's not genetic, Okinawans
who move to the US and start chomping down Big Macs get fat and
die early just like Americans do.
\_ There's this guy who thinks calcium is a panacea and says
Okinawans' health is because their water and other things have
coral calcium in it.
\_ low stress? always wondering when the next batch of US marines
going by will gang rape your 12 year old daughter?!
\_ convert to Buddhism
\_ Many Indians are vegetarian. Is it healthy?
\_ while vegetarian is good, curry is kind of fatty, and indian
food is also high sodium, which is bad for health. |
| 2004/3/19 [Recreation/Food] UID:12749 Activity:low |
3/19 Good lord:
http://www.ifoce.com/records.php -John
\_ I never seen a man eat so many chicken wings!
\_ Are those suicide scars on Sonya Thomas??? -rory
http://www.ifoce.com/profile.php?action=detail&sn=20
\_ She's single, she's hot, she eats like a pig without gaining
weight (as long as there's a toilet nearby). What more could
you want? So she sliced herself a bit?
\_ They aren't REAL suicide scars. Remember the SysAdmin
motto: Down, Not Across.
\_ Sysadmin motto? SAs don't commit suicide. They find a
new job that pays more for less work until they eventually
get mid 6 figures for not showing at all.
\_ No, no, no, "Down, Not Across" is the goal you're
aiming to drive your lusers to.
\_ oooooh! I haven't had those for a while. thanks
for clearing that up.
\_ Anytime. Congrats on your long dry spell. Did
it take long to train them?
\_ Why is this? It would seem like you get a more complete
severing of the artery if you go across. Or is it a
matter of clotting?
\_ It's makes for a larger wound and impossible to clot.
You lose blood much quicker, lose consciousness faster,
and make it harder for you to be resuscitated.
\_ But what if you miss the artery/vein completely?
I guess I don't understand if you're trying to follow
the vein or cut across a couple.
\_ Follow the artery if you can. A length-wise
cut means a longer wound which makes it harder
to clot; cross-wise means a tiny wound, which
will almost certainly clot before you bleed to
death. Not sure where your artery is? Make a
fist a few times and feel for the pulse, then
follow that up your arm. |
| 2004/3/5-6 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:12541 Activity:high |
3/5 Wired has an article about tracing meat (and all food) back to the
source, and mentions Niman ranch. Does anybody know more about this
place (eg, visited a supplier)? Is it a free range sort of operation?
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.03/start.html?pg=2?tw=wn_tophead_8
\_ Niman is as politically correct as a meat-purveyor
can get without letting all its animals munch on grass. Chez
Panisse gets most of its meat from Niman, if that means anything.
\_ Is it really such a problem to let the animals walk around a bit
and... I don't know, sniff flowers, have sex with each other, do
what animals do? I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I'm
\_ duh, it costs more money
just wondering if it's possible to get meat that was raised this
way, and how to find it.
\_ http://www.nimanranch.com
Before moving to meat-packing nirvana (Chicago), I'd get
grass-fed beef from Berkeley Bowl. The guys
Niman's grass-fed beef from Berkeley Bowl. The guys
behind the meat counter would be kind enough to give
me detailed directions for cooking (temp not as high,
time not as long). The Wednesday food section of http://sfgate.com
has featured many articles on beef sources. Do a search
for "grass-fed" in its archives. -elizp
\_ what brought you to chicago?
\_ My husband (login: fab -- yes, we're yet another
pair of csua breeders) was a UChicago grad student
while I taught at DePaul. -elizp
\_ oh, I took a class at DePaul last year, and am
thinking of a part-time MBA at UChicago.
me detailed directions for cooking (temp not as high,
time not as long). -elizp
for "grass-fed" in its archives. -elizp
while I taught at DePaul. -elizp
What's fab studying at UC?
\_ Walk around: Pigs and cows can do this already. They're not
the most athletic animals, though.
Sniff flowers: They are penned in high-enough densities that
flowers get trampled. For there to be non-trampled flowers,
they'd have to be kept in a large area, like rangeland. That
costs $$. Have sex? No way. They are selectively bred.
If they were allowed to breed randomly, you'd get traits that
are undesireable in a food animal. Plus they are usually
sterilized and/or segregated so they won't fight. Would it
really make sense to have bulls or roosters fighting all day? |
| 2004/2/24 [Recreation/Food] UID:12380 Activity:nil |
2/23 eric, how often do you save the motd entries? And do you save them
more during lunch time (when it's more active), or do pure random
sampling with equal time distribution in the 24 hour period?
\_ why don't you email him to ask? or use brain: what are the odds he
sits there during lunch manually saving the motd? |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:12369 Activity:nil |
2/23 What's a good place in the southbay/Peninsula to get breakfast food?
\_ Stack's is pretty good, in Burlingame, Redwood City, and Menlo Park
Also, Cafe Barone is pretty good, also in Menlo Park.
\_ Stack's sounds good!
\_ I went to Paly. Your breakfast food in PA/MP is Cafe Barone and
Printer's Ink Cafe unless a greasy spoon is your fancy, in which case
Stack's will do you. Hobee's has good coffee cake and the rest of
their stuff is pretty ass. "Would you like an Orange Juice? Small
or large?" --ulysses
\_ Peninsula Fountain & Grill in Palo Alto, Hobee's (a few different
south bay / peninsula locations).
\_ Peninsula serves good breakfast? Sounds like a burger and
milkshake joint. Hobee's might be okay.
\_ they have burgers etc but also breakfast. I recommend the
Caribbean french toast.
\_ Don't you mean freedom toast? Why do you hate America?
\_ Nini's in Burlingame on Bayswater.
\_ Denny's Grand Slam Breakfast!
\_ I think IHOP is way better for what you pay.
\_ No fucking way. Original grand slam breakfast = $2.50
\_ And a $5.00 glass of orange juice, please.
\_ As orange juice is uncaffeinated, I don't bother.
\_are you serious? (some people honestly do like Denny's Breakfast)
\_ Half-serious. It's not that great but it sure is cheap.
\_ The Original Pancake House in San Jose.
\_ My mom makes a killer waffle & bacon combo.
\_ yermom serves an excellent breafast in bed.
\_ yes she does. she said you liked it best with her biggest
black dildo all the way up your butt.
\_ She assured me that was an Italian sausage!
\_ You didn't get suspicious when it hummed and vibrated? |
| 2004/2/21-22 [Recreation/Food] UID:12343 Activity:nil |
2/20 Is there a decent chocolate store near Mountain View? I can't go to
SF or wait for mail order. Also I would be happier with buying
by weight as opposed to getting pre-packaged boxes.
\_ Prestons Candy & Ice Cream in Burlingame
650.344.3265 , they make their own candy
they do phone orders and mail to anywhere in the world
I recommend their truffles, peanut brittle, rocky road and
"coffee blacks" |
| 2004/2/18 [Recreation/Food] UID:12300 Activity:nil |
2/18 The Cheeseboard is now hiring. Give up your computers for the simple
joys of baking bread, making pizza, and cutting the cheese. |
| 2004/2/17 [Recreation/Food] UID:29807 Activity:nil |
2/16 Did anyone else read the article about microwave ovens in the
ecologist magazine Nov 2003? Can't decide if I believe it or not...
http://www.cam.net.uk/home/Nimmann/healing/microwaves.htm
\_ Interesting. Actually one has to do a comparison study with
ordinary cooking method. And it is well known that pan with
stainless steel (iron, chromium, nickel overdose), aluminum
(alzhheimer), and teflon surface generate toxin. So it comes
down to which one kills the slowliest.
\_ Aluminum causing Alzheimer's is just a myth...there's
no conclusive evidence to demonstrate that.
\_ All cooking causes chemical changes in food. You'd have to
see a comparison to people who grill their food for it to
be meaningful. |
| 2004/2/17-18 [Recreation/Food] UID:12280 Activity:nil |
2/16 New strain of mad cow, and perhaps more cow->human cases as well.
Time to stop eating brains. (NYTimes) http://tinyurl.com/2h4un
quote: I would advise the managers of cattle abattoirs to sell the
meat only to lower-class butcher shops.
\_ Proof apparent in motd ramblings! Film at 11!
\_ heh
\_ Don't eat beef because of mad cow. Don't eat seafood because of
PCB and mercury. Don't eat fruits and vegetables because of
pesticides. Don't eat bread or pasta because it's not Atkins
friendly. Don't eat margerine or butter because of transfats and
cholesterol. Is there anything left to eat? Frankly, I think we
should just eat whatever the hell we want and stop listening to
media warnings.
\_ Fruity Crack is still safe, right?
\_ Remember, Tuesday is Soylent Green day.
\_ Soylent Dean. "My God! His campaign! It's made of people!"
\_ thanks for the free laughs, I needed that today.
\_ You forgot not eating poultry because of Asian Bird Flu. Me,
I think it's all a conspiracy by the pork industry to bring
back the other white meat.
\_ Don't forget scrapie in sheep...
\_ who eats sheep?
\_ Roast lamb is delish!
\_ lamb is one of the few things I can't eat. it's
hard to describe but it just tastes weird and feels
weird in my mouth.
\_ Eat organic! Eat vegan! Eat vegans! Eat me! -sax
\_ do you have omega-3 and omega-6?
\_ I think humans are nutritionally fairly similar to pork.
\_ But taste like chicken. |
| 2004/2/9 [Recreation/Food] UID:12180 Activity:nil |
02/09 The pretty boy wasn't always pretty. In my senior year in high school
and first year at berkeley, I had a lot of large, red, exploding
pimples on my lower jaws. It was disgusting. Things changed when I
decided to take control over what I eat. First, I stopped drinking
milk and sugar water. Cows are injected with growth hormones to make
them produce more milk for the corporate farmer. You don't want that
in your body. Don't trust the "hormone-free" milk either. You can
get all the calcium you need by eating spinach or other green leafy
vegetables. I'll post more tips on what I did in the coming weeks.
-pretty boy
\_ Tell us more about yourself. Age? Race? Skin type? Fair or dark?
\_ I eat anything I want and don't have any pimples. Sucks to be you.
\_ I cured my pimple problem after using Clearasal and no change in
eating habits.
\_ you know the difference between symptom suppression and
eradicating the root cause right? E.g., taking pills to lower
blood pressure is symptom suppression. Root cause is people
eating fatty crap that clogs up their arteries.
\_ I always thought pimples = hormones / face washing
\_ pimples = hormones * stressing about your goddamned skin
\_ I think the percentage of people with hormonal problems are
very small. Just like the obese people. Vast majority is
cause by people eating too much crap and likes to blame their
problems on their genes. Taking responsibililty is too hard
for most of those people. You are what you eat.
\_ I was referring to how everyone gets pimples during puberty.
\_ Well, the added Hormone is great for the ladies though.
\_ I'm surprised pretty boy isn't causing a flame-fest this time.
\_ How are you doing in the babe department, pretty boy? |
| 2004/1/30-31 [Recreation/Food] UID:12041 Activity:nil |
1/30 Subway or Quiznos?
\_ Quiznos. Unless you like cold sandwiches.
\_ Seconded.
\_ Quiznos seem to be much more filling than Subway
\_ Quiznos >> Subway
\_ append Quiznos to Subway?
\_ any Quiznos near the UCB area?
\_ On Center near the Bongo Burger and Neutron Donuts.
\_ Bongo burger is still alive (and popular?)
\_ Yes. What's wrong with Bongo Burger?
\_ I think it is great that it has been there for a
long time.
\_ !Viva lamb sandwich!
\_ Quiznos by a longshot
\_ Togo's easily beats them both. Quizno's is basically Subway
that has been toasted. Better, but not much better.
\_ Quiznos doesn't use pressed meats. Much better.
\_ No, Quizno's is better than Togo's. I only go to Togo's
occasionally because it's right next to work. Togo's bread
isn't good. |
| 2004/1/27 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Computer] UID:11969 Activity:nil |
1/27 Going to Santa Barbara this weekend, what is fun to do there? BTW
I don't club/bar/dance so that's outa the question, thanks.
\_ Skate/bike/run on the beach. you can go up to the cliffs which
are nice. you can do lame shit like go to the mission. walk down
state street and have a nice lunch.
\_ beach is nice. Seafood. Why don't you club/dance/get drunk? It's
so fun to pick up on women when you're drunk, get laid, and wake
up with a hangover and not give a damn about the world.
\_ what do you do when you visit santa cruz, san diego, la, etc?
take pictures, go on picnics, hiking, look at architecture, go to
historical museums, shop, walk around, find cool bookstores, eat
at nice restaurants, hang out in cafes, MUD, surf, scuba?
\_ there's some pretty good hang gliding sites down there. -ERic
\_ Pick up chicks. As an out of towner you should score easy with
the one-nighter types that don't want to hear from someone again. |
| 2004/1/27 [Recreation/Food] UID:11960 Activity:nil |
1/27 eating brains
http://snipurl.com/43ux
\_ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm -John |
| 2004/1/27 [Recreation/Food] UID:11949 Activity:moderate |
1/27 I recall reading somewhere about an experiment where some organisms
were put into a petri dish full of material they could not eat but
which could be eaten by the same organism with a common mutation.
The results were that a higher number than expected of that mutation
then occured in the next generation. Now, it seems to me this would
be a pretty damn big deal if it was duplicated, so perhaps the fact
that I have not heard about it again and am failing to find it
through google probably means that it wasn't, but if anyone knows
anything about this or can find any info, i'm curious.
\_ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm -John
\_ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3286721.stm -John
\_ It is as it was. It is God's Will. |
| 2004/1/22 [Recreation/Food, Health] UID:29752 Activity:nil 72%like:11892 |
1/22 Eat well. Exercise:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=reviewsNews&storyID=4173861 |
| 2004/1/22-23 [Health, Recreation/Food] UID:11892 Activity:nil 72%like:29752 |
1/22 Eat well, and exercise:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=reviewsNews&storyID=4173861
\_ Take the stairs instead of the elevator/escalator. Sometimes you
can even get there quicker. |
| 2004/1/21 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:11858 Activity:nil |
1/20 I'm gonna be in San Diego for a weekend. Can anyone recommend anything
cool to do or see (other than the SD zoo)? Thanks.
\_ go to the movies? read a book? seriously, though.
the Wild Animal Park out in north county is pretty neat. much
different feel from an ordinary zoo. sea world is pretty much
one big advertisement for anheiser busch. but, it's there.
old town. pretty touristy. good mexican food. there. eat
good mexican food. even the most run-down ro(x)berto's will
have better mexican food than most places up here. stay away
from mission bay park. it's nasty. go to belmont park, wander
the boardwalk. coffeeshops have a much different vibe down there,
are actual interesting hang-outs. pacific beach has a bunch of
them. claire de lune in... mission hills?... is also pretty
nice, they have a lot of open mics and poetry nights. la jolla
cove is a nice place to swim. there are good bookstores on adams
avenue, around the ken theatre. i haven't been there since i was
a kid, but seaport village used to be fun. way back when.
unfortunately, the best part was a fish and chips place which
has since closed. maybe very bleak or very touristy, but who knows?
maybe it still has class.
\_Boy, you almost make me wish I was going to San Diego. Can you do
this for other cities? If I had known that the motd was a travel
guide too, I would have asked it lots of stuff before. Is there
anything the motd CAN'T do? (besides ignoring trolls?)
\_ You missed the two best walking neighborhoods in San Diego:
Gaslamp District and Hillcrest. Hillcrest has lots of coffee
shops and cafes and Downtown has tapas bars and Croce's, a Jazz
joint. The Downtown Mall is a trippy place. The Elephant
Bar is La Jolla is fun. Lots of dance places in Pacific
Beach, they come and go all the time, so I can't recommend
any specific one.
\_ Isn't Old Town the same thing as the Gas Lamp? I was just
in Coronado this weekend and had a good time there. La Jolla
is another favorite.
\_ No, Old Town is near the airport and Gas Lamp is downtown.
\_ punany in tihhhhaaaajuana
\_ if you can't get it at berkeley you can't get it in tj. once
you figured out how to get it here you can get it anywhere.
it's all the same.
\_ Yeah, that's how I felt about your mom.
\_ You can't afford my mom.
\_ Go see if there are hot chicks at UCSD?
\_ If you like good beer, visit Stone Brewing Co.
\_ In an industrial park in San Marcos, North County, my home
town. On the way to/from the Wild Animal Park. --erikred |
| 2004/1/19-20 [Recreation/Food] UID:11834 Activity:insanely high |
1/19 Are you changing your beef eating habits? How?
\_ I am probably being stupid, but do we know whether the agent which
causes 'mad cow disease' causes any human diseases? There was this
odd epidemic in england a few years ago, but I don't know of anything
conclusive. -- ilyas
\_ You get vCJD from eating cows with BSE (mad cow).
\_ you mean besides "variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease"?
http://www.cjdfoundation.org/CJDInfo.html
\_ Is there proof the agent responsible for the BSE causes
CJD? In fact, is there proof CJD is contagious in any way?
-- ilyas
\_ We're only eating Niman Ranch, now, for the most part. The biggest
thing we both miss is pho since it's made from beef bones. We're not
touching the stuff until there's something done to win back our
faith in the cattle industry.
\_ you know they've been doing what they're doing for years, and
you've been eating it for years, right?
\_ Grim, isn't it? Still, that's not reason enough to continue
now that we know the system is flawed.
\_ oh please. even if i'd told you, you'd still have eaten
beef. it was a real case that finally put the scare in you.
btw, for those who haven't, now would be a fine time to
read _fast food nation_.
\_ Try Whole Foods, or better yet, Prather Ranch. Prather ranch
has a closed herd, organic, no hormones or antibiotics. they
have a booth now at the ferry bldg (though, they didn't name
it prather ranch). You can also order stuff online, I think
at http://www.pratherranch.com At whole foods, you can ask about
the herds they supply from. usually they are hormone and
antibiotic free, and free-range.
\_ EMRG set to go up again bigtime tomrrow , also ICGE to follow
\_ thanks for the tips. Should we start buying beef stocks
that have been hit hard? Anyone still go to Outback
Steakhouse?
\_ I thought Outback sells Australian beef. No?
\_ As if that is safe?
\_ bones from Mad cow in Vietnamese restaurants we eat at by my
house in fremont, newark,hell yeah i am waiting for cows
to be tracked and tested for BSE.
\_ what?
\_ All your BSE are belong to us!!!
\_ Yes. No beef or cow organs at all now.
\_ do you think your fear is reasonable?
\_ Yes. Unlike other diseases, BSE can't be prevented by
thorough cooking. And unlike mercury, one dose of it is
thorough cooking. And unlike mercury, one doze of it is
enough to kill you.
\_ yes. Converted entire family to ban beef. Organic beef is a
possibility but haven't done it yet... and no, ANY risk of having
your brain rot without a cure is too much, so if anyone else has
stopped for that reason, I am with you.
\_ how about having your brain crushed in a car accident?
\_ that would be your choice. If I don't drive, I can't get to
work. If I don't eat beef, I eat less fat and cause less damage
to my digestive system... soo... that makes you a TROLL!!!
\_ hmm, no, that makes you stupid. your argument is totally
off base.
don't drive, the risks are too high!!!
\_ Unfortunately, yes. I figure it will take about 3 years to check
and purge the current herds and crush any stockyards that are still
misfeeding their cows. No cow products for me. My dog is still
getting steak, though. --loves a good steak, sadly
\_ I stopped eating all non-seafood meat about a month ago. I'll
start again when both houses and the whitehouse are controlled by
Democrats and the USDA is restructured to represent the citizen
instead of corporate interests. I'm not doing this out of fear of
contracting BSE, but rather to send the only kind of message those
bastards are capable of understanding that they will be
economically punished for their behavior. [formatd]
\_ won't companies who track mad cow become profitable?
\_ So you just swallow mercury and god only knows what else by the
bucket? You're better off with pork and chicken. Salmonella(sp?)
doesn't kill and I haven't heard of a trichinosis case in years.
\_ Did you read my post? It's not getting sick I'm worried about,
it's a boycott. The same companies that sell beef sell
chicken.
\_ If your reasons are purely political then you're off topic
anyway. Eating a fish based diet is pretty insane these
days. Good luck with that one.
\_ arrrrgggg! look, I'm not eating a "fish based diet,"
I'm eating a vegetarian diet where I won't go out of
my way to avoid fish occasionally. And it's not off
topic since it's a reaction to the policies that
caused the BSE scare in the first place.
caused the BSE scare in the first place.
\_ thank you for saving the world.
\_ I had already reduced my beef eating by quite a bit a few years ago,
and reinforced by the initial British scare. I still occasionally
eat some but I've decided to avoid ground beef as much as I can. I'm
somewhat concerned about the possibility of restaurants using beef
stuff in soups/broths etc. I actually enjoy vegetarian food, but I'm
no cook and restaurant choices are iffy. I order vegetarian when it
looks decent.
\_ didn't eat beef before, so no changes there. All organic/high-
quality chicken & pork only, occasional fish.
\_ I'm glad there's one thing that liberals believe in
self-control instead of govern't control.
\_ easy. those who sell bad beef go out of business. those
who sell free range, whatever-free, grain fed beef stay in
business and make a big profit. why is this so hard to
figure out? maybe you don't understand how the free market
works: it is reactive, not proactive. it punishes bad
behaviour and rewards good. the punishment is usually
corporate execution.
\_ please explain how your precious free market has protected
us from BSE so far, asshole.
\_ We still want an disinterested party to qualify the label of
organic, though.
\_ Self control sure isn't helping the fish not to have mercury
or the fish stocks even to be sustainably harvested.
\_ Christ. Chance of actually dying from this disease in Britain
is about 1 in 3 or 4 million. If you can't live with that sort
of risk, there is absolutely no activity on earth you can clear
yourself to partake in.
\_ Is that 1 in 3 or 4 million per meal including beef, or per year
or meals including beef?
\_ here's a case of using statistics to lie. good job.
\_ 60 million people in Britain, 20 die per year. It is per
inhabitant-of-Britain year lived.
\_ No, but I don't eat red meat that often. Occasional Korean BBQ
and steak.
\_ mmm.... kalbi... mmm...
\_ http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/16/brain.sandwich.ap/index.html
\_ Yo Queiro Taco Bell!!
'In California, cow brains are commonly sold as taco filling and
called by their Spanish name, "sesos."'
\_These are actually calf brains, and perfectly safe. BSE
cannot incubate in a calf's lifetime, and so there are no
mad calves. Eating veal is also perfectly safe.
\_ yes. it is. once it is in your brain you're fucked. if
the calf has BSE and you eat the brain, you should go
write your will while you still can.
\_ incubate?? That doesn't seem like the right word to use.
\_ Brains are all we ever get in this rotten fuckin' place,
hey hey brains are all we ever get
why can't we have a change of pace
brains for dinner
brains for lunch
brains for breakfast
brains for brunch
brains at every single meal why can't we have some guts!
\_ have some prions.
Isn't BSE a protein called a prion?
\_ "Brains... brains! Use your brains to help us." |
| 2004/1/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others, Recreation/Food] UID:11789 Activity:high |
1/14 I thought everyone in the bay area knows about pho:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/01/14/FDGSV467631.DTL
\_ careful, Mad Cow'd soup bones where used by Vietnamese Restaurants
in Bay Area
\_ I didn't know about them until I started working at a mostly
Vietnamese company about three years back.
\_ I didn't know about them until I started working at a mostly
Vietnamese company about three years back.
\_ I don't like Viets but I must say Pho is one of those few
cool things they have contributed to this society.
\_ This place down the street from my place is called PHO KING. I
went in thinking I was going to get some sucky sucky from some
nice slender Viet girl, but to my surprise all they were
selling was some big bowls of noodles and beef.
\_ racist joke
\_ How do you pronounce PHO KING? FUH-KING?
\_ Assuming you're being serious, Fo King
\_ There is a place in Milpitas or so called "Pho Kim Long"
\_ Little do you know, it is actually pronounced like "fuh".
http://mlug.missouri.edu/~markrages/static/pho/phopage.html
\_ fuhk.
\_ you're so clever, you got the joke!
\_ There is a place in Milpitas or so called "Pho Kim Long" |
| 2004/1/6 [Recreation/Food, Finance/Shopping] UID:11688 Activity:very high |
1/6 How much can i expect to pay for a cheap lunch in london?
\- Ask for Cheep Bubble and Squeak --psb
\_ Cheap: 3-4 pounds. Decent (primarily Indian or Kebab): 5-10
pounds. Or you can grab a sandwich for about 1-3. There's
some pretty mangy food there, though. -John
\_ i don't know why this was overwritten, but thank you thank you
thank you! my faith in the motd is restored!
\_ What? WTF? Walk into a cheap looking place and read the menu.
\_ dumbass, I'm not in london right now. That's why I'm asking.
I need to estimate my travel expenses for a trip in the *future*
not the present.
\_ Useless. You can't estimate to the penny what it will cost
you. It will *always* be higher than you expect. It's a
first world nation. Prices will be similar.
\_ head...hurting...idiocy...aghck!!!
\_ Sorry if it was so hard to figure out that a McNugget
here will cost about the same as a McNugget there.
\_ I think McNuggets are a little more expensive there
because of how the dollar has been sliding.
\_ If you know where to go, about 3 quid.
\_ thanks, but since I have no idea where to go, can I assume 5-10
per meal? I'm looking for a ballpark estimate assuming both
frugality and ignorance.
\_ Go to http://timeout.com Yes, you'll have to register for
a freebie trial, but trust me, this is _the_ mag to have
access to.
\_ so why are you making a trip to london when you are tight on money?
\_ jesus fucking christ you people are amazing. I'm not tight on
money, and I'm not paying for it anyway. I just have to sketch
out a rough budget for the trip, and like to save money on
general principle.
\_ London on the whole is terriffically expensive. For
good food you generally can't go wrong with Indian or
Bangladeshi--you'll want to hit Brick Lane in any case.
There is _no_ decent food in the City/financial area. -John |
| 2003/12/30 [Recreation/Food] UID:11614 Activity:nil |
12/30 Ok, how about Viceroy on Shattuck? Yay or eewww?
\_ i always thought that was some kinda OC front. anytime i pass by
there, there's hardly ever anyone in there.
\_ Why do people assume that organized crime run restraunts
will be empty and generally suck? It's a lot easier to
launder money from a restraunt with high cash flow, which is the
main reason the mob opens restraunts. Besides, their mob
buddies will come there to eat, and will expect decent food.
\- do you think it is empty because it is an "undiscovered
country" or it is ass?
\_ Because a restaurant seems like the perfect way to launder
lots of cash.
\_ What??!? They're not Italians. In fact Indians are hard
working people who excel at engineering. Now if Viceroy were
an Italian/Viet restaurant, that'd be another story.
\_ You win! You get an extra big Troll Star for the day. |
| 2003/12/28-30 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:11601 Activity:high |
12/28 A La Carte Restaurant on Dwight near Sacramento: Been there? Any
good? Still open?
\_ I have been living there for three years. Never heard of that one
before. The two restaurants I know there are "Breads of India" and
"Mehak Cusine", both Indian. The later is pretty good but I haven't
been at "Breads of India" yet.
\- Breads of India is often described by white people as
"a good and cheap hole in the wall". the most true part
of that description is "hole in the wall". you can look
for my "cognitive dissonance theory of BoI" on ba.food.
I didnt think A La Carte was anything special then again/that
is why I havent been there for +1yr. --psb
\_ I've never understood why race somehow gives one credentials
to judge food. I don't go to a restraunt to study what
authentic cuisine some some culture or another is, I go
there to eat.
\_ You can bring a whore to culture, but you can't
make her think.
\_ was that your idea of 'deep though'? keep at it.
\- it's not a matter of judging authenticity in this case.
in fact authetnticity is BoI's strong point to some
extent. but going to an indian restaurant is a different
experience for "white people" than someone who grew up
eating indian food. i am sure dim sum is a different
experience for someone who gre up in HKG vs someone
who never went to dimsum until they moved to califonria
from the midwest to do their master's degree. e.g. it
doesnt bother my HKG associate to yell across the
restaurant in cantonese to get a water refill, while
whitey or psb might consider that bad service.
i'll give you one funny example: the last 3-4 times i
have ordered a mango lassi in the evening, it has been
spoiled. this is really obvious ... it's like drinking
sour milk. i have never seen a white person complain
about this. also white people and indian people have
different "population distribution properties" in terms
of hotness. etc. --psb
\_ there are so many idiotic aspects to your blather
i don't know where to start so i'll stick with a minor
one. It's funny how your definition of white is
"not from india". I had no idea there were so many
white people in China and Africa.
\- by "white people" i actually meant people not from
india, pakistan, sri lanka, pela, bhutan, sikkim
and afganistan and not a uighur. --psb
\_ Partha, you are one hot Indian. I've thought so
for many years, you neo-hindu-con hottie!!
\_ Hey partha can you write up an essay on the food
preferences of other people, too? Did you start that
ba.food about black people and watermelon? That was
a classic! Oh yeah, like you, I also have black friends
so it's ok, right?
\- how long did you have to rub your two neurons
together to come up with that? --psb
\_ racism is as racism does (or posts threads). your
post was really sickening.
\_ Seconded. Painful to read and psb should know
better.
\_ I pity the liberalPC-on-the-brain fool who mistakes
factual honesty with racism.
\_ I'll bet you have a black friend, too.
\- do black people like cheeseboard? --psb
\_ Partha, it sounds like you've been to A La Carte. Do you
know if it still exists? I'm looking for a cajun/creole
fix, and the rabbit at Gingerbread House still has pellets
in it. --op
\- i was forced to go to the gingerbread house ...
i dont think it does well in price/performance.
but then again i dont like the complicated cajun/creole
dishes. you should have gone to gravy's while they were
still around. soul bros kitchen might still have alligator
on the menu. [not that exciting]. --psb
\_ It should be noted, however, that alligator does not,
in fact, taste like chicken. It tastes like fish.
\_ Best dish I had in New Orleans: shrimp and alligator
sausage cheesecake at Jacque-Imo's.
\_ That would make my taste-buds explode.
\_ What's a "sausage cheesecake"? I'm having trouble
with the visual.
\_ It was kind of like quiche, actually.
\_ The Gingerbread House is crap. Sadly, pickings for
cajun/creole are slim around here. Tropix on Piedmont
Ave. is okay though. And I think Soul Brothers Kitchen is
now an Ethiopian restaurant. --chris
\_ We ended up going to Tropix. It was exquisite. My
wife had the gumbo, and I had the jerk chicken, and
we were both well contented. And while I'm not usually
partial to beer cocktails, their Bul was the perfect
drink to go along with the spicy food. We have a new
favorite place to take visitors. --op
\_ Glad you enjoyed Tropix. My husband is from
Louisiana, it's the only place he feels has
"decent" cajun/creole around here. We have had
better, but it has all been in the South. --chris |
| 2003/12/22-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:11562 Activity:high |
12/21 I want to buy some really nice fancy chocolate; what's a good place
in SF? Other than Godiva, Ghiradelli. Like the fancy chocolate place
they went to in NYC in Queer Eye.
\_ support small businesses http://www.prestonscandy.com
has been in Burlingame for over 50 years and is GREAT candy.
\_ If you can mail order, http://www.teuscher.com -John
\_ Go to Neiman Marcus, top floor. Ask for "La Maison Du Chocolat."
By far the best chocolate you've ever tasted, if you're in luck.
It often sells out VERY Quickly. Although, I believe the
boutique store in NY may ship if you desire. In that case,
just google, and look for the NY store(upper East side, iirc).
They might sell directly online, but that would be from Paris.
If it's too $$ or not fast enough, Neuhaus is _far_ better Belgium
than Godiva is. I believe Macy's cellar has Neuhaus. But I
would go with LMDC first, if possible. -nivra
\_ Other than fancy packaging and European, are they really any
better than America's own See's Candy?
\_ I've got to assume this is a troll. Ugh.
\_ Is there a difference between a Tootsie Roll and See's?
\_ Silly customer. You cannot harm the Twinkie.
\_ No one ever claimed the TR was made of chocolate.
\_ In a word, yes.
\_ In another word, wax.
\_ I didn't realize that anyone local sold La Maison Du Chocolat; it's
\- this is a real name and
not a joke ... like say
the fine purveyors of
"crunchy frog"?
yes, real name. surprised _/
you haven't come across their
stores while in paris. would not
be surprised if the name is "la maison
du chocolat" from when they were
in fact the house of chocolate.
personally not particularly fond of
their chocolates. usually buy from
madame de sevigny instead if i'm in
the pricey-chocolate-for-the-woman
mood. obtw, thanks for pointer to
nils. didn't visit the outlet with the
hot blonde, but they made still quite
good sandwiches at another location.
\- did you have the reindeer sandwich?
[this isnt xmas trolling ... that
is what i had]. the best sandwich
in paris ... in fact the best swich
i ever had in my life is at
le regency bar at the prince des
galles in the 8ieme. not cheep--psb
the one time i set out to find le _/
regency on your recommendation, i did not
realize it was in prince de galles, so i
could not find the restaurant even after
walking the length of georges v. i have not
had the time to repeat the quest the other
times i've been in paris since. - tse, obtw
oh and all of your names
are being filed away for
death when the revolution
comes --psb
\-Advisory for Garvitch:
A fun paris food guide for Paris
is E. Rubin: Gourmet Paris. For a
longer stay, P. Wells: Food Lover's
Guide to Paris. Other good s'wich
locations are Cosi on R. Seine 6e,
and (IAOC) La Maison du Cassoulet
[I am not making that up] on R. Mont-
orguil in 1er --psb
the best I've found. I usually order online from their store in
New York. Since it is their policy to only ship via next day air,
it won't take long to receive (though that does add significantly
to the cost). I'd suggest you start with their plain truffles.
If you're intent on something that originated in SF, I've heard
good things about XOX Truffles. Lots of people seem to like
Joseph Schmidt's chocolates, but I've never cared for them.
- alawrenc
\_ let me just say Herschey's Pot of Gold sucks.
\_ The Candy Jar, in SF. Their stuff gets resold at places like
Nordstroms. Good stuff. You can drop by their factory store
and pick up either the pretty packaged boxes or you can get a
box of assorted seconds that taste just as good. Give them a
ring to check hours and such. --Jon
The Candy Jar Inc
2065 Oakdale Ave
San Francisco, CA 94124-2040
Phone: (415) 550-8846
\_ has anyone tried cabaret chocolates? Were they good?
http://www.cabaretchocolates.com
\_ Depends on your idea of chocolate and your wallet. Some BA makers:
http://www.xoxtruffles.com (SF) sells fresh traditional European-style
flavored truffles (small irregular balls rolled in cocoa dust).
http://www.jschmidtconfections.com (SF) sells fresh American truffles
(chocolate shell, flavoring inside).
http://www.scharffen-berger.com (BRK) specializes in dark chocolate bars.
http://www.cabaretchocolates.com (OAK) are dark chocolate candies (not as
dense as bars).
The latter three can be found at The Candy Store on College,
near Clarmont (across from the Safeway). The first can be found
in SF but I do remember seeing a reseller on 4th St. next to Peets.
Note that much of this stuff is the deeper dark chocolate flavor
with less sugar involved. Your tastebuds may disagree. My family is
partial to the XOX truffles...
\_Scharffen-Berger is great...if your areever in Berkeley go on
their factory tour (about an hour and free). Their chocolate
is more like chocolate for wine lovers...very rich/complex.
\_ I second this. I've tasted a hell of a lot of the world's
chocolate and there is not much better than Scharffen-Berger,
domestic or otherwise. They don't do much by way of chocolates
though - just the pure chocolate. -- ulysses
\_ Thirded. Scharffen-Berger is awesome. Kudos to mconst for
first pointing it out to me. -- ilyas
\_One of the best chocolatiers I know is Bernard Callebaut, originally
from Canada. They used to have a store in SF, but closed because of
no publicity. http://www.bernardcallebaut.com Pricey, though.
\_ Valrhona and Callebaut are widely considered to be the best
two chocolates in the world. Valrhona leads all chocolate in
percentage of cocoa used (over 80% by weight).
\_ Scharffen-Berger has a 99% one.
\_ Unsweetened, of course, and for baking not for consumption
as a treat.
\_ I ve eaten it before.
\_ None of these places hold a candle to Le Chat Bleu, an artisan
chocolate maker on the Belgian-French border.
chocolate maker on the Belgian-French border. Famous all over
France for having the best hand made chocolate.
\_ It's fucking French, dude. You don't go to France for
chocolate, you go there for cheese. Schober & Teuscher
in Zurich is IT. -John
\_ This report link from XOX says it's merely "acceptable":
http://www.xoxtruffles.com/press/press15.htm
\- does anyone else think "Leonidas" is a
\_ This report link from XOX says it's merely "acceptable":
http://www.xoxtruffles.com/press/press15.htm
pretty weird name choice for a putative
high end chocolate? --psb
\_ It's Spartan, but delicious!
See the lists on the bottom. I thought you go to Zurich
chocolate, you go there for cheese. Schober & Teuscher
\_ Don't be a hater.
chocolate maker on the Belgian-French border. Famous all over
France for having the best hand made chocolate.
in Zurich is IT. -John
See the lists on the bottom. I thought you go to Zurich
for bank accounts and watches?
for bank accounts and watches?
\_ Guns too.
\_ Guns too.
\_ This list is the "Greatest Chocolates in America". I
am not sure what that means except that it excludes
a lot of superior European chocolate.
\_ Freshness, availability, cost of transport, and
perhaps some bit of nationalism.
\_ Yermom's famous all over France, too.
\_ Don't be a hater. |
| 2003/12/17 [Reference/Celebration, Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29724 Activity:nil |
12/16 Since mass grave and killing of kurds are considered one of the reason
why we invade Iraq, we might as well to invade Turkey for what they've
done, which put Saddam's oppression looks like a child play:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3325247.stm
\_ So you would advocate turning the entire middle east into one
glass-paved nuclear wasteland, punctuated only by oil wells to
feed the weestern industrial machine?
\_ Not western, just American.
\_ Sounds good to me. |
| 2003/12/17 [Recreation/Food] UID:11495 Activity:high |
12/17 The narcissistic pretty boy would like to offer some tips for having
beautiful, radiant skin. This will be posted over the next few
months. First, you can't have outer beauty without having inner
beauty. You are what you eat. Stop eating fast food junk food; and
stop drinking sugar water. Cut back on meat and all animal products
and eat more fruits and vegetables. And drink plenty of water every
day. -narcissistic pretty boy
\_ You'll go far in sf.
\_ All your dumbass are belong to the motd. |
| 2003/12/9 [Reference/BayArea, Recreation/Food] UID:11365 Activity:nil |
12/8 Top Dog in San Jose opens this Wednesday, 10:30 a.m. to 9 p.m.
11th St. and San Carlos.
\_ Barf.
\_ You won't appreciate how good Top Dog really is until you
have been away from Berkeley for a while.
\_ hmmm. i've only been away for five years, so that must
be why it sounds nasty. Maybe in another five years
i'll understand.
\_ It took me ten years to be able to appreciate Top Dog.
\_ Again, barf. Retch. Try Rosamunde in the Lower Haight, SF,
for a real sausage.
\_ That's a bit of a drive from San Jose.
\_ When do we get a Top Dog in downtown SF ?? |
| 2003/11/25 [Reference/Celebration, Recreation/Food] UID:29668 Activity:nil |
11/24 Why the turkey tastes bad:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/opinion/24MART.html?partner=MYWAY |
| 2003/11/21 [Recreation/Food] UID:11168 Activity:high |
11/20 One of the ethanol pdfs posted in the last few days mentions
high-fructose corn syrup as the most harmful human food additives in
US history. What does HFCS do to you?
\_ It makes me energetic and happy, but tired and grumpy about an hour
later.
\_ as an additive it has made many foods much higher in calories.
Cheap corn sugar is one of the main reasons out country is so obese.
Also eating too much sugar can lead to diabeties.
\_ NY Times magazine had a great article about this in the first
week of October. There's a direct link between corn subsidies
and obesity, though like any complex issue its not the only
cause. I'd put an URL, but unfortunately NY Times wants you
to pay for their archived articles now. |
| 2003/11/15-16 [Recreation/Food] UID:11081 Activity:nil |
11/14 Cool (and kinda scary) speculative fiction about the coming robotic
takeover:
http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm
\_ Communist garbage.
\_ I like Marshall Brain, and I think How Stuff Works is the single
most useful website on the web. That said, this reads like
an entry for NaNoWriMo.
\_ Oh god... so let's have a poll. The human race will be destroyed
by (feel free to add your own):
evil robots of our own design:
evil nanotech robots of our own design:
global warming:
asteroid/comet impact: .
sunspot cooking:
nuclear winter:
bioweapon escaped from US lab:
bioweapon escaped from Chinese/old Russian/N. Korean/Iranian/Israeli lab: .
Aliens:
Damn Dirty Apes:
Supernova:
Cptn. Trips:
race wars:
sterility as seen in europe right now:
\_ this might end western civ. but it certainly won't end humanity.
hurricanes/earthquakes/other natural local disasters:
no more food:
no more rain:
no more clean water:
George Bush:
George W Bush:
Bill Clinton:
terrorists:
The French:
godless communists:
idiot geeks with a messiah complex:
Israel:.
Broken Arab culture that can't accept peace, democracy, progress or
anything else good for their own people or their neighbors:.
Isreal:.
Garden Weasel:.
\_ if the world is destroyed by any of the above, doesn't that count
as armageddon by definition? will we all die of an acute case
of death?
\_ But if you capitalize Armageddon, you are probably referring
to events described in the book of Revelations. And because
I am in a crappy mood today, I add this: you are an idiot for
not thinking of this yourself. Idiot.
Armageddon:
\_ this soda male one won't happen unless a quake destroys the net.
introduction of infertile males of soda into general population: . |
| 2003/10/30 [Recreation/Food] UID:29600 Activity:high |
10/29 My company is putting everybody through mandatory training.
Training takes place at 12:00 and usually takes 90 minutes, during
which time we are served lunch. They remind us that, since they're
serving lunch, we are expected NOT to charge time for the first hour
of training. Training only occurs about 1-2X a month, and the
burden is not great, but it irks me that they expect a tray of tacos
to cover the combined hourly wage of 70 engineers. What would you
do in this situation?
\_ I'd eat my tacos. But then again, I'm a starving PhD student.
(I'd also learn to follow everyone else's indenting convention).
\_ Somebody didn't use motdedit. I restored it.
\_ Stuff motdedit and your assumptions in your ear.
\_ Suck it.
\_ If you're REQUIRED to be there, it's billable time. Problem is they
might say it's not required, and then give you bad performance reviews
or fire you for some made-up reason. I'd eat the tacos and bend my
timecard a little
\_ I get the labor law thing... it's a good company and I'm not
complaining, except about the jackasses in one department.
\_ Are you an hourly employee? I'd expect a really nice lunch from
them. Your lunch hour is about more than food.
\_ salaried
\_ what knucklehead told you you cant bill this time? it doesn't
matter if they've got 77 dark eye virgins dancing naked for your
pleasure, if it's mandatory then it's *their* time not yours and
it should get billed. if you're at the kind of company where you
can bitch about it without getting fucked then go ahead. otherwise
just fudge your hours somewhere and don't let them screw you. if
you're hourly you're expected to fudge hours anyway.
\_ Bring your own lunch, and then see what they have to say.
\_ Some of you guys don't seem like team players.
\_ heh
\_ formatd was here. what the hell is so hard about hitting tab at
the start of line instead of 6 spaces?
\_ read above. It was copy-pasted out of the archive. |
| 2003/10/27 [Recreation/Food] UID:10802 Activity:nil |
10/25 Restaurant recommendations in Walnut Creek area?
\_ Postino, in Lafayette. Left Bank, in Pleasant Hill.
\_ La Piazza in Orinda
\_ Burger King near the 4.
\_ Petar's for Central European/German, in Lafayette
\_ modest eats: primos pizza in alamo/danville;
the magic garlic in w.c. on north main
\_ my wife's cooking. I love my wife's cooking! :-) |
| 2003/10/20-21 [Finance, Recreation/Food, Computer/SW/Security] UID:10707 Activity:low |
10/20 Ever wonder why you get some much junk mail? It's because the United
States Postal Service encourages such practice!
http://www.usps.com/features/fourstepstodirectmail.htm
\_ of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations...
\_ Yeah, they're self supporting.
\_ poor trees.
\_ theyre grown on tree farms for the purpose. so of like your
\_ theyre grown on tree farms for the purpose. sort of like your
lunch.
\_ yes the forests of Canada, Madagascar and Burma
are one vast tree farm.
\_ yawn. no one is chopping trees in madagascar to get
paper to send you junk mail. it takes 50,000 trees
to print *each* edition of the sunday NYT. you think
they're stripping madagascar? no, it's all tree farm
trees raised for that purpose.
\_ poor cows.
\_ and poor wheat and corn and everything else grown for
us to murder and eat. |
| 2003/9/2-3 [Health, Recreation/Food] UID:10046 Activity:nil |
9/2 Are some nuts more healthy than others? I eat a lot of dried fruit
at work and I'd like to branch out. So do I go almonds, cashews,
walnuts, peanuts, etc., or are they all pretty much the same?
\_ French ones are good, but I prefer Italians, since most of them
are nuts anyway.
\_ Walnuts are high in omega-3 fatty acids. Heart health++.
Almonds have some too, but also have lots of calcium.
\_ Also, avoid roasted nuts. It kills the omega-3 fatty acids.
\_ so what is the point then?
\_ unroasted almonds still taste pretty good. unroasted cashews
are pretty gross, though. You might also try to roast the
nuts yourself in good oil (maybe olive oil?) and lightly
salt to taste. |
| 2003/8/29-30 [Recreation/Food] UID:10016 Activity:kinda low |
8/29 So Viceroy on Shattuck and University closed their chaat/take out
annex and replaced it with an "Indian Grocer"/Ice Creamery. Anyone
checked this out yet? Do they serve "Indian" ice cream like the
place on Valencia/16th in SF? Also, the Japanese Curry place next
to Missing Link bit the dust and is being replaced by a Truly
Mediterranean franchise. Yummy fast food. -- gabriel
8/29
\- hello can you check if the truly med location has the yogurt-garlic
drink or aryan? ok tnx. --psb
\_ perferably the blonde female type aryan. thanks.
\- YMWTGF "aryan yogurt turkey" --psb
\_ from now on, wash times and ny post links will just get deleted.
ny times and wash post links can stay. any objections? i'm
censoring by source, not by content.
\_ aye. And perhaps you could take care of the racist idiots
too?
\_ Ya know, I don't like the Moonies Times or the Murdoch Post
either, but you're an idiot with far too much time on your
hands. |
| 2003/8/29-30 [Recreation/Food] UID:10010 Activity:nil |
8/29 I love Indian food, but I tend to make stinky fart after I eat them.
Does anyone have a similar problem?
\_ No, perhaps you should eat by putting it in your mouth instead
of up your ass.
\_ you need more vegetable in your diet.
\_ I'm almost 100% carnitarian and don't have stinky farts. very
few farts at all. it's the veggies that let loose all the time.
\_ Indian food, on the whole, it's good, but on the hole it's terrible |
| 2003/8/5 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:29233 Activity:very high |
8/4 What sort of food will change the color of various body fluids?
\_ if you eat enough of 'em beets'll turn pee pink
\_ Certain vitamin supplements make urine green.
\_ if you eat enough of 'em beets'll turn pee pink
\_ Asparigus makes it stinky. Vitamin C makes it REALLY yellow.
\_ b12 makes it almost orange it is so yellow.
\_ Enough wine will make your spit turn purple.
\_ cantaloupe will turn your shit green, blueberries -> blue
\_ and beets will make you convinced you are shitting blood
\_ I don't know about color, but last time I ate really hot
buffalo wings, my penis stings when I pee. Only time that
happened even though I ate spicy stuff all my life.
\_ that wasn't the food. that's an STD. get to a clinic.
\_ And for something men will prolly want to try
http://boom.net/aw?atJM
\_ Just eat lots of pineapple and don't smoke. Rumor has it
being vegan helps too, but I've never tested that one out. -aspo
\_ that's just wishful thinking, look at your teeth, do you
think man was meant to be a vegan? |
| 2003/7/30-31 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Dating] UID:29180 Activity:insanely high |
7/30 I'm a caucasian guy. I kissed my first Asian girl recently. No
complaints, but she tasted different from caucasian women. Her skin,
her lips, all of her tasted different and it was noticeable even with
her lip gloss. She tasted like Asian people sometimes smell (not
offensive). She was born in the USA and is All-American so it is not
like she was eating strange foods. Is their chemistry so different?
Do caucasians taste funny to Asians?
\_ I read a psychology today article about 8-9 years ago saying that
immunological markers can be smelled, and can act as pheromones.
People with immune systems that can handle different antigens
than one's own may be a base for attraction, since biologically
it's a benefit for offspring to get genetic material from parents
whose immune systems cover different areas. So. Maybe the
difference in pheromones are perceived as "tasting good."
Anyways, it's a random theory. -sax
\_ How does it explain that I'm attracted to my sister more than my
wife?
\_ you've been watching too many Melrose Place reruns...
\_ It doesn't. That's a different theory known as "The Sick
Bastard Theory Of Attraction".
\_ Maybe certain brands of cosmetics is more popular among Asians then
Caucasians?
\_ It's THAN, people. Say it. Than.
\_ Which pair of her lips did you taste again?
\_ Did she taste like spunk-encrusted surface of your monitor?
\_ Only when I was done with her.
\_ Yes they have very very different chemistry. Of course they're
different! I had a whitie gf and she didn't taste very good, I'm
guessing it's cuz of all that burger/pizza/cheese stuff that
was kind of offensive. On the other hand they were, in general,
more horny and I found it more satisfying in bed than uptight
Asian girls. On the other hand whities were self-righteous and
kind of more bitchy than Asian girls when they have PMS. I
guess you just have to find out what you like and just go for
it. -studly asian man
\_ Who are you, Studly Asian Man? -lonely asian girl
\_ How-many-inches studly are you?
\_ I've never had any problems finding horny asian chicks. They
fuck with the best of 'em.
\_ I think regardless of whether the Asian person was born in the U.S.
or in Asia, there's a huge chance that he/she has eaten Asian food
the majority of her life. (from living in the Asian community) I
was told (by a white gf) that I have Asian taste (when we kissed)
and of course since I've never kissed an Asian girl, I wouldn't
know how THEY taste. These days, thanks to Altoids or Orbitz, you
can simply mask all these undesirable "taste" in your mouth.
\_ I use battery acid. After she's had a drink her natural taste
is completely masked by the acid flavor *and* she won't be
bitching at me for anything. Ever. |
| 2003/7/13 [Recreation/Food] UID:29019 Activity:high |
7/13 Coming to visit berkeley, want to go to chez panisse, do you think
we'd need to make reservations for the restaurant? cafe? Are things
slowed down enough such that we dont have to worry about the cafe?
\_ Why don't you just call them? It will be faster and you will get
a more accurate answer than by asking us. |
| 2003/6/19-20 [Recreation/Food] UID:28772 Activity:kinda low |
6/19 Here comes the gol-gappa seller/ He brings gol-gappa to us/ He
sings in every street, making people smile as he walks/ Look,
look, here he comes!
\_ I'll bite. What's a gol-gappa?
\_ indian lyrical gangster
\- gol gappa = photchka = pani puri
\- gol gappa = phutchka = pani puri
where is that from? --psb
\_ there's a link to an article about indian street
food on the abcnews link below.
\-"When street food is done properly," he says,
"it's the most delicious food you can imagine.
^^^-> "Amen" --psb
Also the comment associating a particular food
with a time of year is really much truer there
than here. things are more seasonal rather than
year-around ... and have much more taste.
indian food here is hobbled by vegetables here
being tasteless or really expensive. --psb |
| 2003/6/12-13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:28717 Activity:very high |
6/12 Goddammit, quitting caffeine (again) sucks. How the hell did I do
it the last time, and how do I stay awake in the meantime? --erikred
\_ Don't go cold turkey.
\_ Too late. And now I'm a cranky bastard. --erikred
\_ You *have* to. You can't slowly cut down. It never works.
\_ How do people get addicted to caffeine? I used to have coffee
and/or soda daily, but one day I just stopped, and I never really
felt anything different. Was I not drinking enough?
\_ Soda daily is not as likely to cause addiction. Two cups of
coffee per day is much more likely. I got addicted when I
started teaching (from zero to two cups per _morning_ in
nothing flat). Also see:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/caffeine.htm and
http://home.howstuffworks.com/question480.htm
\_ Ah ok. You take it all at once. If I do drink more than one
cup, it's usually hours apart.
\_ If you drink coffee, you've got a caffeine addiction. Try
stopping and see how shitty you feel. Either that or
you're getting it from somewhere else like massive amounts
of chocolate.
\_ Is this the same dumbass who said "no one drinks coffee
for the taste"?
\_ Not necessarily. I went on vacation for two weeks and
never had a sip of coffee or soda and didn't feel any
side effects. And I despise chocolate and most sweets.
\_ Is this the dumbass who said "no one drinks coffee for
the taste"? Get a life...
\_ No and you've added nothing to this thread. Thanks
for nothing.
\_ Why are you quitting? If you want to zip thru the morning, eat
half a melon for breakfast. Avoid carbs for lunch. If you crash
in the evening, have a small cup of coffee to get you thru the
last hours.
\_ what does a melon do for helping you zip through the morning?
Or are you just talking gastrointestinally?
\_ Well, carbs are one form of brain food. Unfortunately, refined
sugars zip in and then out of you too quickly, i.e. they pick
pick you up, but then let you crash too quick. The carbs in
fruit, like a melon, seems to be more time-released. So, at
least for me, my thought processes and productivity were pretty
incredible during the mornings. A low-carbo lunch helps to
avoid having (or feeling) to take a nap in the afternoon.
\_ Well, carbs are one form of brain food. Unfortunately,
refined sugars zip in and then out of you too quickly,
i.e. they pick pick you up, but then let you crash too
quick. The carbs in fruit, like a melon, seems to be more
time-released. So, at least for me, my thought processes
and productivity were pretty incredible during the
mornings. A low-carbo lunch helps to avoid having (or
feeling) to take a nap in the afternoon. [corrected wrap]
\_ Yeah like I would just make sure to take the final using
the same drugs I studied on and it puts me in the same
state of mind!
\_ you are an idiot. -phuqm
\_ Oh, thank you, guru! Tell me how else to fix my miserable
life through your, populist/hippie/newage/media-hyped
anecdote-driven, "nutritionalist" nonsense.
\_ Believing it works is half the battle.
\_ Why not just use crack? If you're going to be a drug addict,
just do it right and stop playing around like a baby.
\_ Wimp. Just fucking stop.
\_ Oh, thank you, guru! Tell me how else to fix my miserable
life through your tough-love method.
\_ Kill yourself.
\_ Would that prove that I'm hardcore?
\_ It would improve your life. Proof is for the weak.
\_ I've quit coffee a couple times, once was at the start of summer
vacation, i had nothing to do and was too lazy to buy and make it
for myself, (it was easy at the co-op) so i just quit. I had a
headache for three days/nights straight, but then i was over it.
The last time i quit i was working and the cold turkey thang was not
an option. I did the gradual thing and it worked fine. for the
first week or so i allowed myself one cup in the morning and then
all the black tea i could drink. Then i went to just all the black
tea i can drink, now i pretty much drink nothing but green-tea.
I never had a headache, but i had desperate cravings for coffee,
much worse than any i experienced when i quit cold (because i
was at work, and I haven't had a job/school without chain drinking
coffee since i was about 14). -phuqm
\_ be a slave to your drug of choice!
\_ I'm a slave to both my drugs of choice (caffeine and alcohol)
but if i believe the populist-hippie-newage "nutritionalistis"
like the one above then, hey, that's o.k. because green tea
is good for me, so the 8 cups or so a day i drink are helping
me stay healthy. -phuqm
\_ Rice and green tea and living atop a mountain spinning
prayer wheels and humming all day while mastering Bruce
Lee moves will keep you healthy and young forever.
\_ This is cool, phuqm, but I'm trying to quit caffeine, not
just coffee. Sure, I'll still drink decaf (3-4mgs I can
handle), but switching from coffee to green tea is like
switching from crack to cocaine-- I don't just want to
trade masters. ok, thnx --erikred |
| 2003/6/4-5 [Recreation/Food] UID:28636 Activity:very high |
6/4 What is the name of that Indian restaurant at the corner of
Shattuck and University? Is it good? I thought I saw it on
some news before. thanks
\_ Viceroy? I've eaten there once before and the vegetarian
food was decent. I have a friend who likes the chicken there,
though I can't personally vouch for it. -sax
\_ or do you mean Curry in a Hurry?
\_ Curry in Hurry is ok. Cheap, some stuff is prtty good. I didn't
like the lamb stuff too much. For the price and location not bad.
Although I'd normally jsut spend a buck more and go to Naan 'n
Curry on Telegraph.
\_ Ew! No! Naan 'n Curry is greasy, bland, and awful. Try the
vegetarian place on Dwight. -- athithi #1 fan
\- the N&C on t'graph is inferior to the N&C in the 'loin.
KhannaPeena on upper Solano seemed to be good quality
based on one dinner but a little pricier. Dunno about
their buffet.
What kind of food is at athithi? That's a good name,
meaning "guest". --psb
\_ it's healthy, vegetarian stuff. Don't remember
names, but stuff like cream of wheat with peas
and other veggies, lentil soup, onion bread...
I recommend the veggie squares and some sort of
potato dumpling with a mint-cucumber sauce. Oh yeah
there aren't any curries if that's what you're after.
-- obviously not indian
\- ok tnx. i was wondering if they had a
regional desingation. they seemed pretty
friends but empty unfortunately when i
walked by there a while ago. is the place
getting some business ... think they'll
survive? --psb
\_ By the way? Are there any tasty Indian dishes that are not very
spicy? I have tried a few curries at Naan 'n Curry and sort of
liked them but they were still too spicy for my tastes.
\_ We know but we're not going to tell you cuz you're a wuss.
\- a paneer should not be spicy. at some restaurants
hotness may be negotiable. --psb
\- try the korma (lamb or otherwise) -- not at all spicy
\- you might try south indian food [madras, not andhra ...
andhra might be the hottest cuisine in india]. the stuff
from the south is often really hot [vindaloos] or totally
nonhot [like yogurty stuff]. food from a lot of other
parts of india often are at least a little spicy ... kormas
can have chilli powder. but if you are so senstive even
whole chillis make things too hot for you, you may have to
negotiate with the kitchen. --psb |
| 2003/5/5-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:28341 Activity:high |
5/5 Dear Mr. Ethnic Food Hater, have you even considered the possibility
that maybe YOUR food (hamburger, pizza, KFC) smells offensive to
people of other culture, and perhaps you're just yet another
by-product of the imperialistic, oppressive, and opinionated
Euro-Anglo Saxon culture?
\_ I dunno... I usually can't smell the burger my coworker in the next
cube always has, yet I can smell curry from down the aisle. -!OP
\_ and you don't realize how stupid you sound...
\_ I don't agree. In what way does the above sound stupid?
I'm neither the OP or the one you replied to. I simply
disagree with your knee jerkism.
\_ with the exception of microwave popcorn, white man food is
generally odor free except in massive quantities.
We don't eat soybean that smells like shit, for example.
\_ Not true, I can smell McDonald's greasy fries from 50m.
Anything with lots of garlic smells pretty strongly
too (pepperoni, etc). And I am a white guy.
\_ there is no garlic in pepperoni
\_ You forgot "hegemon" and "colonialist" and how can you discuss any
race related topic without calling someone "RACIST!"? C'mon, get
with the program! If you're going PC, you should go all the way!
\_ And protorapist, penile-centricism. Shut up before we
bomb your country.
\_ no fucking eating at the office then. |
| 2003/5/5-6 [Recreation/Food] UID:28335 Activity:high |
5/5 What do you do when your co-worker/cubiclemate eats stinky ethnic
food in the cubicle and you can smell it but you're too nice to
say anything about it because his wife cooked it and it drives you
crazy cuz he eats it every day?
\_ if you can find other people who are bothered, talk to the
office manager and get him to post a "please eat stinky
food in the kitchen" policy.
\_ isn't "stinky" in the nose of the beholder? A lot of
ppl hate wasabi but I love it.
\_ wasabi's smell is very short range, even for very
strong fresh wasabi.
\_ problem is the other people are of the same/similar ethnicity
and I'm the only white guy. Now what?
\_ stop being such a stupid whiny fuck and get used to it.
\_ yeah just suffer with your cube mate's smelly shitty
stomach turning food. it's the white man's burden!
\_ If you catch yellow fever you'll learn to love those
smells.
\_ smelly cheese. lots. limberger, tilton.
\_ Durian, Chinese fried rotten tofu. Both are my favories but I
know enought to not bring them to my workplace.
\_ hmm... stinky tofu! I love stinky tofu. I actually love the
smell. :-) Taiwanese stinky tofu tastes better than the
mainland variety though.
\_ try growing up... if it really bothers you that much, go eat
your lunch in the cafeteria or wherever at the same time... or
go work in a conference room for a bit or something.
\_ there's nothing in anyone's employment contract that says they
have to "grow up" or that it is in *any* way immature to have
to sit next to someone who brings a lunch that can be smelled
10 cubes away. in *this* country it is offensive to be smelly
or have anything on or near you that others can smell. Except
in Berkeley of course, but I mean in this country.
\_ ...now if only you could convince my French co-workers of
this.
\_ Lysol or scented air freshener. Spray it, leave for five minutes,
and then come back. Keep this up and the smell of it or the food
will drive one of you into retreat.
\_ I fart in self defence. Smelly farts will cover up almost
anything and probably offend his nose more than yours.
\_ try stealing the guys girlfriend as payback... she's probably
a h07 azn ch!c
\_ What if she starts eating stinky tofu at your place?
\_ Whitey cures all that.
\_ Bring your own smelly food and compete. Put your bare feet or
smelly socks up in between you when he's eating his slop. |
| 2003/5/1-2 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:28290 Activity:very high |
5/1 http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/01/farm.salmon.ap/index.html Now that I'm a vegetarian, I don't have to deal with BS like this. Best of luck to you meat eaters. -happy vegan \_ No, you get to deal with BS like the Organic Food mis- labelling legislation. labelling legislation. Lucky you. \_ Are you vegan or vegetarian? You know they color cheese too, right? Do you have to worry about your protein? -happy omnivore \_ they aslo color butter, not sure about Margarine. Natural butter is actually semi-transparent (like solidified oil as it should be) most of the time. \_ I'm vegan. I don't drink milk or eat cheese or eat eggs. No animal products. If you want to find out more, I strongly recommend John Robbins' Diet for a New America and The food revolution. -OP \_ How come all the veggie people look so unhealthy? \_ too bad veganism doesn't include knowing how to format motd posts correctly. \_ I'm a level 7 vegan. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow. \_ Level _FIVE_. Level _FIVE_ Vegan! You suck. \_ sorry \_ Is that like +7 Charisma? \_ as an omnivore I refuse to eat dyed cheese. Also the whole vegetarians need to worry about protein thing is pretty much a myth. \_ Vegetables and fruits have natural coloring in them. \_ ... and these colorings can often be used to roughly gauge the health or flavorfullness of a fruit or vegetable. dying farm-raised salmon so that is appears more "natural" just seems gross... not to mention deceitful on a certain level \_ Farming salmon seems like a responsible thing. No one would eat it if it was gray, but there's nothing wrong with it. --dim \_ There are problems and a great deal of research about it, particularly at UW School of Fisheries. The jury is still out. Nutrient loading down-gradient from the farms has been a particular issue as well as some concerns about escapees. \_ agreed. \_ You know, there's a reason why americans are so fat and sick. It's all about the food. You eat too much and also there's too much processed and packaged and "ready-to-eat" meals. If we all go back to our roots and start cooking from fresh ingredients again, we wouldn't be in this health crisis. -OP \_ Go back to our roots? You understand that almost everything in the market comes from another continent, right? That if we went back to our roots, there'd be nothing in CA to eat except fish and acorns and we're all outta fish! \_ BUZZ! Much of the produce you eat is grown in CA. Same with a lot of the meat and poultry if you buy decent quality meat. \_ Good try but only to a small degree and to zero for the more exotic items littering the typical veggie diet. \_ How is farming salmon any worse than you buying your veggies and lentil beans at Berkeley Bowl? You're still buying goods that have been prepared and shipped to you. \_ That's why I eat wild salmon. I've heard that the wild salmon who feed on plankton are more nutritious anyway. \_ Yeah! Support the wild salmon industry! -former salmon fisherman \_ Vegans are great, especially marinated with a red wine sauce and some vegetables on the side. (gotta love that corn fed beef). \_ Kids are better. Still soft and tender. So yummy! Not all stringy and fibrous like a vegan. \_ Damn it, you guys are making me hungry. |
| 2003/4/30 [Recreation/Food] UID:28277 Activity:kinda low |
4/29 Can someone remind me what is the name of the circular, hotel-top place
in SF around Embarcadero where people go for "romantic dates"? I think
it's a dining / bar area on top of Marriot or some big hotels around
there where you have a cicular view of the bay. And, what's the likely
of me getting a dinner reservation for this Friday night?
\_ Go the Union Square and buy a homeless guy some food to show her
your caring sensitive 90's side. Show her that you're in touch
with your nurturing caring feminine inner self. Women like that.
\_ Equinox. No problems getting a reservation.
\- if you want to go somewhere for a date, go to aquarello or
merenda. m is a little cheeper than a. going to equinox, julius
castle,carnellian room etc is stupid. "the view" at the top of the
marriot is ok, but i would avoid it on a friday night ...
it is a really cheesy scene. same for top of the mark.
if you go to the view, get an "absolut kamikaze" --psb
\- beach chalet is ok for a date too. lower budget. --psb
\_ Speaking of which, inquiring minds want to know how
the Potempkin went.
\- i dont potemkin and tell.
\_ On Sunday mornings the Equinox hosts a jazz brunch and 103.7 (KKSF)
broadcasts from the restaurant. It is an all inclusive brunch, read
as much liquor you want to drink on a Sunday morning, but price is
about $50 per person. I've spent almost four hours eating, drinkin,
and being merry so it is well worth the price, but almost more suited
for a group of people going together than a date. --dre
\_ Ritz Carlton brunch is $50 per person. Take your pick. |
| 2003/4/25-26 [Recreation/Food] UID:28223 Activity:high |
4/25 Hola, I have a Potempkin Date(tm) tonight at the Kabuki theater, Sf.
Any food recommendations in that area? Real restaurant, not burrito
facility or equivalent. Ok tnxx. --psb
BTW, has anyone eaten at the Parkside restaurant on 17th St?
\_ Partha, baby darling. Are you a good kisser? (^_-)
\_ What is a potempkin (sic) date? Are you trying to pass for
straight to your parents or something?
\_ Smack! Nice
\- hmm, that is one interpretation of potemkin date. no, that's
something that looks like a date but isnt. i'm the king of
potemkin dates. anyone been to parkside? --psb
\_ so what's the deal here? Are you paying a whore to go
out with you? Is that where the fake part comes in?
\_ what's the origin of the word?
\- p'kin village (ukraine) -> p'kin thermostat (barrows hall)
-> p'kin date (psb). --psb
\_ In the days of Catherine the Great, her advisors came
up with the idea of building elaborate fake villages
to impress her with how well they were taking care of
the peasants. The inventor of this strategy was named
Potemkin. Now, any elaborate ruse designed to put a
false good front on things can be called a Potemkin
village.
\_ So this means you are trying to impress someone
with a fake social life?
\_ he's trying to impress CSUA geeks by misusing
a term they're unlikely to understand.
\_ it's possible he's attempting to meet demands
from source genetic material
\_ Hmmm. I thought psb was blonde-obsessive. That
does not compute, unless the source has changed
overall parameters. |
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