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| 2008/10/21-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:51596 Activity:nil |
10/21 ok, how Taiwan going to protrait itself as a victim and cry faul
this time:
http://csua.org/u/mpw
\_ The protesters will claim that they were protecting their country
from sell-outs like Ma; Ma will claim that they're nutjobs.
*shrug* How is this any different than PRC's reaction to Chinese
civilian attacks on US consulates? |
| 2007/10/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:48282 Activity:nil |
10/10 Happy Double Ten Day. Go Taiwan! Sing along our national songs
~Go Freedom, ~Defeat communists, ~Take back our Mainland!
\_ Double Tenth.
\_ ?
\_ Taiwan? Hello! It is a celebration of overthrown of 4700 years
of imperial rule and establishment of the first democratic republic
in entire Asia. If you can actually read Chinese, I suggest you
do some reading on Dr. Sun's writing. |
| 12/26 |
| 2006/9/20-22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:44461 Activity:kinda low |
9/20 Here is something that puzzles me. I think it's yesterday that
there was a protest of roughly ten thousands of people in Hunguary
protesting their president. This news showd up in most of the major
US media.
But just about a week ago, there were about 350,000 people protesting
in Taiwan against their president. Yet this event was not covered
by major US media at all.
My question of the day is, why? protest in Taiwan is about 30 times
larger than Hunguary. Economically and stragetically, neither Hunguary
nor Taiwan is more significant than another. But why such bias in
coverage? Is this a racial thing? is this an attempt to play down
the dissatisfaction Taiwan people against their president to fit US
interest? what do you guys think?
\_ Actually, I'm more surprised that a 10,000 person protest in
Hungary got covered at all. It's probably just a blip. Maybe
the Hungary protest was on a slow news day, or there happened
to be a stringer there and not at the one in Taiwan. This sort
of irregularity is normal in the news, nobody's perfect.
\_ Quite often I hear about a certain event on KCBS AM 740 radio, and
\_ It was the circumstances that prompted the Hungarian protest
that were newsworthy. From the BBC:
"The latest protests were sparked by Mr Gyurcsany's remarkable
admission that his government had lied in order to win victory
in the general election in April, and had achieved nothing in
its past four years in office."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5363138.stm
Also, they're burning things in Hungary. They marched loudly but
mostly peacefully in Taiwan.
\_ Sometimes I hear about a certain event on KCBS AM 740 radio, and
then the same event doesn't appear on Yahoo! front page until
three or four days later. Sometimes it's the other way round. The
most recent example I remember is some announcement about the SF
hydro-electric project.
three or four days later. Sometimes it's the other way round.
\_ What else was going on a week ago? I think this stuff only surfaces
on 'slow news days'
\_ Of course it is biased. I didn't even know about the
protest until you mentioned it. You'll bet your ass that if
there is a 100 person protest in China, it'll be covered in
every front page of every major US media. You must realize,
that one dissident in China who got sent to prison is more
important for the average US citizen to know than the 350k
people protest in the "Democratic Paradise Society of
Taiwan".
\_ I think one reason is that the protests in Taiwan are anti-Chen
protests which are unlikely to spark conflicts between Mainland
China and Taiwan. On the other hand, if they were pro-Chen
protests, they were more likely to spark conflicts and would get
more US mainstream media coverage. Protests like these, whether
anti-Chen or pro-Chen, gets the same top-story coverage in Chinese
media like Chinese newscast on Ch26.
\_ I am talking about mainstream media such as CNN, etc. |
| 2006/8/28-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:44178 Activity:high |
8/28 This is not a troll. Do Taiwanese girls, that is those who actually
grew up in Taiwan, usually tend to be self-righteous,
incredibly stubborn, and frighteningly materialistic control
freaks, or is it just the girl I happened to run into? It
seems like she just keeps arguing only for the sake of it,
however irrational she may sound at the moment (sometimes she
regrets that, but then it's already too late).
\_ tawei is that you?
\_ Hello nickkral!
\_ Yes, Taiwanese girls are fucked up. I went to high school with
tons of them in the San Gabriel Valley before going to school with
tons of them again at Cal, so I know that they are flat-chested,
dirty, bossy, stupid, lying, conniving bitches. To be fair,
Taiwanese guys are also dandruff-infested, dirty, bossy, stupid,
lying, conniving scumbags. My opinions are borne from years of
experience watching them cheat in school, refuse to take showers in
P.E. or wear deodorant, argue endlessly about incredibly boring
and geeky topics like China-Taiwan politics or Final Fantasy games,
hold stupid bigoted opinions about other people from other parts
of the world, steal money from the government and cheat their own
employees, and generally engage in dirtbag behavior. None of those
Taiwanese pussies can drink even a tiny bit of alcohol without
turning bright scarlet red from head to toe. They also suck at
driving and never take personal responsibility for the messes that
they create (especially car accidents, illegal immigration, tax
fraud, enormous unpaid gamblings debts, and sexually transmitted
diseases). Taiwanese, especially the girls, have no sense of
style, as they were these gaudly, tacky, ugly clothes that
combine great color schemes of bright red, shit yellow, and
black sequins. Nothing says "class" like heinous dressing and
zero fashion sense. Even the Taiwanese "models" in their pitiful
pop magazines are heinous.
What do you expect from a country that consists of all the scumbags
in old China who raped, destroyed, and exploited their own kind?
So much that the Chinese majority wanted these landowning
degenerate scum to be killed...except that they escaped with Chiang
Kai-Shek to Taiwan. Taiwanese in California in the last 20 years
are just like the old Cuban undesirables of Scarface notoriety were
in Miami in the 70s and early 80s: the worst, most materialistic,
most amoral segments of a Communist regime that got evicted by their
own government. Very clannish, insular people with idiotic
political views. Only difference is that Taiwanese chicks are
overall extremely butt-ugly in comparison to smoking hot Cuban
women. Shout out to Jenny Wu, Amy Wan, and Cathy Cheng from high
school. -not a Taiwanese or Chinese
\_ Kind of funny but needs a bit of work. I would give it a grade
of "work in progress." Post again when you're done with the
rough draft.
\_ Wow, that was impressive. Articulate and impassioned.
*polite applause* What about the religious ones?
\_ I just found it hateful and lengthy.
\_ Started okay but got too bitter and hateful towards the end.
I also agree it's too long, try to trim it down a bit.
\_ Since when was "length" a bad thing? -Dirk Diggler
\_ You're not alone:
http://csua.com/?entry=42532
http://csua.com/?entry=39422 (2nd reply)
\_ This word you keep using(troll)--I do not think it means what you
think it means...
\_ Girls are people. You'll find angels and gold-diggers and the
down-to-earth. But it is definitely a well known phenomenon among
young adults in Taiwan about Taiwanese girls hooking up with a
lonely 30-something engineer who never had a girlfriend, works
long hours, is faithful, and brings home the $$$. It is also
assumed that Asian guys raised in Asia are chauvinistic, and
parachute kids in the U.S. are spoiled players. Therefore,
Taiwanese/Asian girls raised in Asia may have a chip on their
shoulder when it comes to Asian guys. This post might be a troll.
\_ Taiwanese girls are generally racist against those from mainland
or anything related to China. Aside from that, they are pretty
much the same as everyone else.
\_ I don't think that counts as racist. Taiwanese and Chinese
being the same race and all.
\_ it is racism. Like everywhere else, "race" has less to do
with color of skin and DNA make up. Just like everything
else, race is arbitrarily defined (go find out the definition
of "colored people" in America and South Africa).
I hope those American who supports Taiwan realize that they
are supporting a regime whose power is based upon
instutitonalized racial discrimination and flaming ethnic
tensions.
born in Taiwan, work in Taiwan, classified as
a Chinese Pig in Taiwan
\_ This seems true, but I have known well only one Taiwanese
girl, so my sample is very small. It happened several times,
that as soon as I mentioned the words China or Chinese in
any context that had to with the mainland, however
unoffending the topic could be (like movies or food), she
would immediately interrupt me and say something negative
about what she thought I was about to say without even
letting me finish that sentence. Her attitude towards the
mainland could be best described as snobbish. -white guy who
already got burned by it. never again.
\_ So are you going back to blondes again?
\- if you cant think of a way to yank the chain of
an anti-mainland taiwanista, you are really lacking
in imagination.
\_ This is like doubling-up on a lost bet, until you
break even. Unless you're willing to make her cry or
and/or walk away from her, she'll make you pay.
break even. Unless you're willing to walk away from
her, she'll make you pay.
\_ I thought Hong Kong girls are the ones that are self-righteous,
incredibly stubborn, and frighteningly materialistic control freaks,
not Taiwan ones. --- guy from Hong Kong
\_ Never dated a HK girl but I can tell you Taiwanese girls
are really bad. I wouldn't be surprised if Taiwnese girls
are worse than HK girls. Frankly I don't understand why
some white men have Asian fetish. -- guy from Taiwan
\_ And the better alternative to Asian women is... blond
bimbos with big breasts?
\_ Uh, as opposed to flat-chested, flat-assed, stupid,
annoying, bossy, shallow, loud-mouthed bitches from Taiwan
who have poor personal hygiene? Hell, yes, give me
Victoria Silvstedt, Lisa Dergan, Rachel Hunter, Molly
Sims, Shakira, or Stacy Keibler any day of the damn
week. -not a Taiwanese or Chinese
\_ Racist. Why do you hate Taiwanese girls?
\_ I only hate the ones who don't want to fuck me.
\_ see, chauvinist!
\_ Can't they both be?
\_ As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again! |
| 2006/8/15-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:44006 Activity:nil |
8/14 Is there any racial issue within the Hispanic group? E.g. do the
Hispanic blacks and Hispanic whites consider themselves different, just
like the English-speaking blacks and whites?
\_ Yes. Lighter people always look down upon the darker, lower class
people. -albino
\_ There are many places where "Indios" are not allowed. They will
tell you "It's not racism", but it is.
\_ http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=indio,+ca
\_ Ever notice that everyone on Mexican TV is white?
\_ I don't watch Mexican TV, sorry.
\_ I'm on the Mexican radio...
\_ Yes, there are. Not just skin color either.
\_ Read Octavio Paz's collection of essays, Labyrinth of Solitude.
Much good information here concerning Mexico's struggle with its
own history as a former colony and the legacy of race.
\_ I don't know of any large group of people that doesn't teach or
encourage ethnic superiority. Just look at China, Hong Kong,
Taiwan, Malasia, Singapore. For example certain types of Taiwanese
people are taught or hinted to be superior over other types of
Taiwanese. Certainly, the division is even sharper amongst the
different Chinese ethnicities in the pacific. Heck, even left
liberals think they're superior over the country music beer
drinking gun toting right wing neocon nuts, and vise versa.
I think it is just a nature of human beings to discriminate and
hate one another.
\_ That's why the Cylons hate us.
\_ I don't watch Mexican TV, sorry.
\_ I'm on the Mexican radio...
\_ We must resolve to better understand our Cyclons brothers so
we can have a mutually beneficial discussion of our
differences and through our diversity of opinion thereby
grow stronger for it. Call back the fighters and power down
the cannons so they understand we're not a threat so we can
have peaceful dialog. We must have done something to them
for them to hate us so. I feel so guilty about my ancestor's
cruelty to the oppressed Cylon peoples! We must make amends! |
| 2006/8/1-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:43858 Activity:nil |
8/1 Does anyone know if foreign Mandarin accents irritate Mainland Chinese
as much as Beijing Chinese accent irritates say, the Taiwanese? In
another word do Mainlander discriminate as much as the non-Mainlanders
based on non-local Mandarin accents?
\_ The answer is "No" with almost absolute certainty for several
reason. While Beijing is more or less being the capital for
past 800 years, Chinese government traditionally ran by Mandarins
selected by sheer examination scores. This means government
up to cabinent members can came from anywhere. As result, there
is little geographical sense of superority. The situation changed
somewhat during Manchu Dynasty, mostly due to ethnic tensions
between royal desent (Manchus) and Hans who made up majority of
government body. The funny things is, those royal family based
their pride on proper Mandarin (specifically, "inner city" Beijing
accent, oppose to "outter city" and "outside of city"), instead of
Manchurian, a native Manchu tongue which almost no one speaks.
Fastforward to today,like any other metropolitans,bulk of Beijing's
14 million resident came from outside of the city. Consider that
China has several thousands of dialects, most people don't hold
anything agaist you if you speak with an accent.
\_ Short answer: No. While Beijing has been the capital of China for
more or less 800 years, majority of government officials, e.g.
Mandarins were selected by examination, thus, no particular
geographical ties. Today's Bejing, just like rest of major
Metropolitians, more people are from outside of Beijing than
the true native. While people do praise those who speak
with proper accent, very few, if any, are being discriminated
because of his/her accent, as there are at least 1.2 billion people
speak Mandarin with some sort of accent. -kngharv
\_ I don't know about accents, but my wife served as a tour guide
at the Salt Lake Temple Square, and generally the Taiwanese
tour guides did not give tours to the mainland Chinese. She
wasn't quite sure why, but it seemed to have to do with
tensions over Taiwanese independence. -jrleek
\_ jrleek. The root cause of this tension is because
pro-independent Taiwanese plays racial politics. Race, by
their definition, is based upon where one's parents were born.
As result, myself, born in Taiwan and currently working in
Taiwan, is considered as "Chinese Pig" by those Taiwanese.
(by the way, "Chinese Pig" was the exact term they use.)
Right now, Taiwan's democracy is completely engulfed by racial
politics that anything deemd "Native" (i.e. those people who
came to Taiwan prior to First Sino-Japanese War in 1845) is
justified. Politicians are judged based upon his blood line,
not by how well he/she has been ruled. kngharv
not by how well he/she has ruled. kngharv
\_ It is true. The Taiwanese people resent the Mainlanders
and their government. I'm wondering if the reverse is
also true. Do Mainlanders hate the Taiwanese? -taiwanese
\- there are some pretty crazy shenannigans between
china and taiwan. do you know about the crazy panda
diplomacy trick? i understand there is some either
pro-chinese or pro-taiwanese radio talk show in LA
and people get so worked up when calling from cell
phones in cars, they get into accidents. china also
does some wealsey things like objecting to a USA visa
for taiwanese officials truing to come to things like
college reunions.
\_ We should bomb Taiwan. Why the hell does this
tiny country even exist? -proud American
\_ To provide us with motherboards, DUH!
\_ You misunderstand. The tour guides didn't have the
problem, the guests did. In otherwords, from this one
data point it seems like mainlanders might have a
problem with the Taiwanese. One third hand data point
ain't much though. -jrleek
\_ nope, jrleek, that is not correct. People from mainland
tend to have problem with people from Hong Kong for one
reason or another, such resentment toward people from
Taiwan virtually non-existent. Majority of problem
lies upon Taiwan side. -kngharv
\_ I don't know Chineese, but I do know people, so I can pretty
confidently say, "Yes." Yankees hate southern accents.
Swiss hate Austrian accents. Sri Lankans hate Indian Tamil
accents. Limeys hate Gringo accents. People everywhere are
convinced that their way of speaking a language is the one true
way and everyone else is wrong. So it goes.
\_ That's not always true. Some accents get classified as "sexy"
or "sophisticated", along with associated stereotypes(I'm talking
about English here).
\_ Southern accents are great. Northern ones are ugly. -Yankee
\_ You guys are right. The corollary is that people
everywhere hate their own accent and like other accents.
\_ I don't know man. I use to dislike Cantonese (and I am a
Mandarin speaker), but there was this cute sexy girl who
I swear speaks the most sexy sounding Cantonese I've
ever heard. After that, I don't find Cantonese so
offensive sounding. ;) |
| 2006/6/22-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:43460 Activity:nil |
6/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060622/cm_csm/yhsiang Democracy also means lots of corruption. \_ Hi troll. Democracy doesn't cause corruption. Democracy makes it more likely corruption will be publicly revealed and stopped. \_ Yes, the glorious PRC is completely free of all governmental corruption!... and athlete's foot. All Hail ChiCom! \_ I thought the only way you could get anything done in China, period, is to either grease gov't palms or have relatives \_ I think the period goes at the end, but YMMV. in positions of power. Is this not true? \_ majority of the country works like that, son. There are about 110+ countries outside the G8. |
| 2006/3/30-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Reference/Religion] UID:42532 Activity:high |
3/30 Southern Taiwanese girls are among the most self absorbed and
money loving people I've ever met. Every time they talk, it's about
themselves, or about money, or how they want <stick in whatever
materialistic thing here>. The word charity is completely
foreign to them. Anyone have similar experiences with other girls?
\_ When you marry a S Taiwanese woman, you marry her entire family.
You better like Oh-Ah-Jian (oyster pancake) and the food they
eat. You better like her parents. You better like the mainland
China bashing shows they watch and their Fox News equivalence
(Taiwan Independence Newspaper). You'll have to live in closed
quarters with her inlaws for an extended amount of time and cook &
eat together. You should at minimum drive a 3 year old Lexus or
better. The exception to this is if you're a doctor, then she'll
do anything for you till you get married because the culture
believes doctors are bigger than God or the President. After you
believes doctors are bigger than Yahweh or the President. After you
get married though, "all your bases belong to her". By that I mean
your income, car, house, and the way you're suppose to think.
\_ Move to some non-community property state. Then it is just a
personal backbone issue, not a legal issue enforced by law.
\_ this is so funny... and has a lot of truth in it.
\_ How is this different from libertarian geek guys whose only
interest is consumer electronics?
\_ Hey! Some of us give money to soda and public tv!
\_ I am not found of Taiwanese girls in general, but your statement
\_ fond
of "self absorbed and money loving people" applies to A LOT of
people, men or women, regardless of color of skin!
\_ There are some Taiwan girls on soda who are the exact opposite
you describe. It is just like the other person said: stereotypes
/generalizations are a very bad road to go down.
\_ My gf is from Chiayi, and she ain't bad. We are Christians
so she gives 10% to church. She is generous to others, but
too thrifty herself (not as fun in terms of enjoying life).
She says Taiwanese show their love using money, so there
may be some truth in what you are saying.
\_ Interesting. So what do YOU think? Or does she think for you?
\_ She tried, but I ain't no pushover.
\_ She tried, but I ain't no pushover. What do I think
about Southern Taiwanese girls in general? I don't
know enough of them to conclude. I have quite a few
cousinettes spread over the island, but I haven't spent
much time there so I don't know them well. I do know
Southern Taiwanese guys don't do much housework, the prime
example being my dad, but then, maybe that's because
he's the only boy in his family and he had 5 sisters.
\_ i love this logic: she is a Christians and give money
to church she attends to, which makes her a much superior
human being.
\_ I am just responding to "The word charity is completely
foreign to them". Why is it that I can't mention
Christianity without being attacked?
\_ If you were _good_ Christians you'd give everything away... but
I guess that's a part of the Bible it's no fun to follow.
\_ Commandments to specific people may not be applicable in the
general case.
\_ especially when it's inconvenient. -tom
\_ especially when they're inconvenient. -tom
\_ I am not a good Christian. Giving has little to do
\_ Giving has little to do
with "fun to follow" or not, and more to do with your
faith in the Lord, and the Lord's calling. Are
Christians required to give away everything. No. Do
some Christians give away everything? Yes. Giving
should also be joyous!
\_ You say that as if it's clearly stated thus in the Bible.
It's not. It's _your_ clear understanding of a book that
can (and is) interpreted absolutely any way people want.
I can extol the virtues incest, slavery, rape, revenge,
misogyny, just about any horrid thing you like using only
actions that are endorsed by God at some point in the Bible.
You might as well use the dictionary as your holy book.
actions that are endorsed by God at some point in the
Bible. You might as well use the dictionary as your holy
book.
\_ You are right that people can interpret things in
different ways, but that doesn't mean some of them
are not wrong. Even in the bible itself,
you have Satan and the Pharisees interpreting the bible
one way, and Jesus "interpreting" it a different way.
\_ But we can't know which interpretation is right.
It is basically useless. It's one thing to have
Yahweh/Yashua him/themselves clarifying stuff
(albeit in a cryptic, impatient, and irritated
fashion... what is up with that anyway, it's
his/their own damn fault people get it wrong)
or to have the literal voice of God or supposed
deputies (why do the old testament people blindly
accept that some being is an "angel of the Lord"
anyway? It's not like they have any kind of
authentication or digital signing of divine
communications). But no, in all of modern times
these fantastical communications, on which all
of the religion is ultimately supposed to have
been founded, are completely absent. Basically
if Yahweh gave a shit what you think he'd say
something. If Yahweh existed he would say something,
according to the character laid out in the Bible
itself. Reality does not bear it out.
\_ In what context are you meeting them? What's their socio-
economic background? Are they recent immigrants or 2nd or 3rd
gen Americans? Also, what's your sample size? Anecdotes are
amusing but statistically irrelevant.
\_ in the context of being one and being with them for many
decades, and the sample size is slightly less than 100
\_ You're a Southern Taiwanese girl? Are you as materialistic
as you make them out to be?
\_ I wonder what his opinion of Northern ones are.
\_ post pics please! |
| 2006/1/30-2/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:41598 Activity:nil |
1/30 Is there a standards association in Taiwan that's similar to ANSI, JSA
and ISO? I'm trying to look up some standards. Thanks.
\_ After China globalizes and dominates all the markets that Taiwan
used to dominate (motherboard, cheap goods, etc), Taiwan the
island will be completely irrelevant and the US government will
no longer give a damn about Taiwan.
\_ I agree, but right now I'm just trying to look up the official
dimensions of the paper sizes 8K and 16K. Supposedly these are
Taiwan paper sizes. I think they are also called 8-Kai and
16-Kai, but I'm not sure. -- OP
\_ Taiwan mosly use US standards. For size of paper, they use
(I think) European standard. A3, A4, B3, B4, etc. the old standard
has became irrelevant due to the fact that most of the paper making
machinaries are imported from abroad.
\_ So are 8K and 16K really Taiwan standards? I'm not even sure.
Thx. -- OP
\_ It's a Chinese expression. The original definition of 8-kai
means a piece of paper is being cutted into eight pieces,
hence, bigger than a paper which is being cutted into 16
pieces (16-kai). Once upon a time there was a standard on
how big a sheet (1-kai) paper is. I am not sure how relevant
it is now. |
| 2006/1/20-23 [Reference/Languages, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:41462 Activity:kinda low |
1/20 http://www.glossika.com/en/dict/taiwanese/index.php Really good Min-nan Taiwanese lessons. It's really sad that pronunciation formalization is done by a whitie instead of a native Min-nan speaker. Do Min-nan natives even care that their language is dying? Why don't they write something about themselves? \_ You could say the same thing about a lot of People today and in the past. Not everyone is that stuck on the academic concept of "preserving culture" like a rare plant or animal. Cultures rise, cultures change, cultures die. In this case maybe they don't see themselves as "Min-nan" in the way you do or simply have better things to do. \_ Every time a language dies the number of people in the world who can talk to eachother goes up. \_ Ok by me. \_ First of all, Ming-nan != Taiwanese. It literally means "South of Fujian (province)." Secondly, Fujian as a province has about 18 different dialects, the one spoken in Taiwan is mostly dervied from dialects of Xiamen city. Third, much of so called Ming-nan education was part of "Taiwanese identity" and "de-sinofication" political movement. Those who are in charge, strangely enough, cares *MORE* about the "de-sinofication" aspect than "preserve Ming-nan" culture. Much effort was wasted on things like "how to use Latin characters / Japanese characters to denote Ming-nan dialect writing." Like all political movement, it comes and goes. Since the unemployement is at 20 year high and economy is growing at slowest pace in 40 years, identity has become a less of a hot topic. Lastly, don't worry about the fact that Ming-nan dialect is going to die. It won't. Look and everywhere in mainland China, dialects will be there forever, dispite that no dialect is being taught in school. kngharv |
| 2006/1/12-17 [Science/Biology, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:41358 Activity:nil |
1/12 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060112/sc_nm/taiwan_pig_dc I am all in favor of genetic research, but this just seems wrong to me. \_ Mmmm... How long till I can get some green bacon? \_ I will not eat green eggs and ham. \_ Looks like sales of glowing condoms will drop in the future. |
| 2006/1/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:41336 Activity:nil |
1/10 http://tinyurl.com/ah5ns I can read Chinese pretty well but my Taiwanese sucks. Is there a place like Babelfish that can translate Chinese written in Taiwanese tones into standard Chinese? Secondly is there a place that gives you proper Taiwanese pronunciation? Thanks. \_ what I would like is a dictionary that can map from Chinese characters to the different dialects (Guowu, Ping, Yue, Min, Hakka, etc). It's pretty irritating reading HK news papers especially when they "overload" words with Cantonese sounding Zhongwen that makes absolutely no sense to Mandarin speakers. Speaking of Zhongwen, which dialect was it developed with? \_ for Question 1, no. For second question, there is a romanized pronouciation symbols invented by early missionaries for the MingNan dialect. and in Taiwan, there are dictionaries which you can buy. But i don't know details. Mind you, much of these "Taiwanese" characters are only invented recently as part of "De-Sinofication" cultual movement. Most people in Taiwan doesn't know themselves. You will be better off to find a dictionary which uses the MingNan romanized pronouciation symbols. \_ one thing that makes me really sad is that Taiwanese people try to promote independence and their culture yet after all these years they can't even get their acts together to put up good Taiwanese classroom materials. There are tons of stuff using standardized Jo1Ying1Fu2Hou4 or Romanization for people to learn yet almost nothing on Minnan languages. Even the De-Cal Taiwanese class is pretty primitive compared to the materials that exist for learning Mandarin. \_ may be this entire idea of promoting MingNan (literally means South of FuJian province) dialect is a silly idea. and no, there is no such thing as "Taiwanese." |
| 2005/12/22-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Finance/Investment] UID:41121 Activity:kinda low |
12/22 Hi guys, I'm going to be visiting Taiwan next week. What's the best
way to exchange USD for Taiwan dollars? My guess is to buy AmEx
travelers checks (as an AmEx cardholder) in cash at an AmEx office, and
exchange the checks for NT$ at an AmEx office (for free) in Taiwan.
Is changing U.S. dollars in cash at the CKS airport for NT$ that much
worse? Thanks.
\_ before you leave airport, use your ATM card and withdraw local
currency. I do this all the time everywhere I go.
\_ AAA sells travellers' checks to members without fees.
\_ Yeah, I was looking at that. I even have a AAA-branded credit
card I can charge it to (no cash advance fee for travellers
checks). I'm just wondering what the fee is to cash them at
CKS airport I guess. My friend from Taiwan also says, "People
in Taiwan only know AmEx travellers checks", although the bank
and airport booth people probably know know Visa checks.
You buy Visa checks at AAA offices I believe.
\_ Are you sure AAA sells Visa checks? I remember last
time I bought traveler's check at AAA it was AmEx. This
was about 2 years ago, so things may have changed. As
changing money at CKS, I did it last time I was there.
However, I don't remember what rate "premium/fee" was.
\_ Not sure, but they only mention the Visa stuff on AAA web
pages now. The AmEx web page still mentions AAA though.
\_ This is true for Europe; that ATMs are usually your best deal in
terms of exchange rates. I tend to stay awake from Trav Chqs or
money changers. See if your ATM card has a Visa/Mastercard logo on
it, and you would only be charged the standard 1% foreign
transaction fee. Most ATMs in Europe and Singapore (don't know
about Taiwan) do not charge cash advance fee like in the U.S., so
you would only pay your home bank for doing business with other
ATMs. And if you carry certain balance with your bank (Citibank
comes to mind), they waive all ATM fees when you use other bank's
ATMs. If you bank with BofA, for example, they have affiliate banks
worldwide so that you won't get charged. Ask them for a list.
\_ If you do decide to go with the ATM route, make sure the ATMs
at your destination will accept your PIN. The last time I
travelled internationally, I found that a lot of ATMs,
particularly in airports, would only work with 4-digit PINs.
It took me a while to find a bank whose ATMs would work with
my longer PIN. -gm
\_ Oh, also remmeber a lot of non-US ATMs do not have alphas
on it, so if you're used to memorizing 4-alpha, get used
to memorizing the digits instead. |
| 2005/12/18-20 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:41063 Activity:high |
12/16 http://edu.ocac.gov.tw/lang/taiwanese/s1.htm I'm looking for full versions of the traditional Taiwanese songs like the ones above. Where can I find them? \_ There are lots of free Minan songs from mainland China here, so you'll see simplified characters: http://www.buxiao.com/10.htm http://www.buxiao.com/Person/2124.htm (children's songs) By the way why do people say Taiwanese when it didn't originate from Taiwan? \_ related question, how come some of the old Taiwanese songs sound just like Japanese songs? \_ because pro-independent minded Taiwanese for some reason admires Japan and missed the day of brutal Japanese occupations. \_ because taiwan had been a japanese colony, and many older taiwanese were japanese educated. \_ there is more than that. A lot of my friends' parents grand parents were Japanese educated too in Manchuria but they *HATE* Japanese to a point that they don't mind to start another war to settle the old score. \_ Manchuria was different. Japanese was much more brutal there especially given that guerilla resistance was rampant in Manchuria. Also, Japanese \_ Manchuria was different. Japanse ruled Taiwan for a much longer time under more peaceful conditions. \_ Manchuria was different. Japan ruled Taiwan for a much longer time under peaceful conditions. Japanese was much more brutal in Manchuria, especially given that guerilla resistance was rampant there. Also, Japanese especially given that guerilla resistance was rampant there. Also, Japanese rule of Manchuria was never secure, even after 1931. You may ask, why is there less resistance in Taiwan. Well, cause Qing China gave the island away, while KMT and CCP never officially gave up on Manchuria, even though the initial conventional resistance even though the initial conventional resistance (1931) even though the initial conventional resistance in 1931 was rather pathetic. Also, there were plenty of people in Manchuria who collaborated with the Japanese. My mom's side is from Manchuria, so I would love to believe that Dong Bei Ren (people from love to believe that Dong Bei Ren (i.e. people from Manchuria) were all red-blooded patriots, but that's not really true, unfortunately. not really true if you study history. \_ First of all, Japanese killed more than 600,000 Taiwanese during the 50 years of occupation (out of total population of less than 3 million) I wouldn't consider that a "peaceful occupation." Secondly, Qing didn't "give it away." Qing only gave up after *ALL* its navy vessels and half of its army got annihilated. These are two facts that Taiwanese love to ignore in order to justify its independent agenda. \_ because they need an excuse to justify their reason for taking lands away from the aborigines and impose discrimentory immigration and birth policies toward others. \_ so you're ready to give up your house, apartment, etc to the tribe that once lived on it? \_ If you don't care about compensate aborigines for land grabbing and genocide, then, stop crying faul for 228 incident. \_ Taiwan government already paid compensation for families of 228 victims a few years back. When will commie PRC pay families of Tiananmen victims? - Chicom Troll \_ Has American pay compensation to the Bonus Army in 1932? Did French ever compensate to the Algerian Revolution? give me a fucking break \_ Who's talking about Americans? Are you so devoid of self respect that you constantly need to lower yourself to the level of Americans? We citizens of the Heavenly Americans? We citizens of the Middle Kingdom should be more righteous, more just, and more compassionate than the lowly Americans. Have some self-pride please. Don't compare yourself to animals, or you will forever be beneath them. Don't compare yourself to swines, or you will forever be just as dirty as them. Don't use swines as yardsticks, or you will forever be as dirty as them. Kingdom should be more righteous, more compassionate, more courageous and more willing to fight against injustices than the lowly Americans. Have some self-pride please. Don't use swines as yardsticks, or you will forever be as dirty as them. - chicom troll \_ I think the poster who asked "why do people say Taiwanese ..." was referring to the dialect, not the race/ethnicity. \_ the dialect is called "Ming Nan." If you want to be specific, the dialect is actually coming from the city of XiaMen. Remember there is a significant percentage of Hekka population who is been in Taiwan as long as rest of the Ming Nan fractions. To say Ming Nan is "taiwanese" implies those Hekka and abroginies are not. \_ Try http://yesasia.com, they have a bunch of CD's from asia. I can't read Chinese, but searching on "taiwan" finds a bunch of CDs and/or artists. You can also search in Chinese. -oj http://us.yesasia.com/en/Search/SearchResult.aspx |
| 2005/12/7-9 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:40896 Activity:kinda low |
12/7 Thanks for all the replies on what gifts to bring back to
Taiwan. I now hasve a better idea of what to bring for my aunts
and uncles. But what about cousins in their 20s. Are there any
electronic gadgets, apparel, etc. that would be good gift ideas?
Do people in Taiwan use iPods? Are they more expensive in Taiwan?
\_ Bring back nice traditional wife from rural China since most
Taiwanese women have Westernized and modernized, meaning they
don't cook, they don't clean, and they bitch all day.
\_ You mean Taiwanese women are more like Hong Kong women now?
\_ No, more like, both HK and Taiwanese women are mostly
Westernized so they're as bitchy as modern American
women. Whatever happened to the good 'ol traditional
women we saw from TV shows in the 60s like Bewitched and
I Dream of Jennie? Are they extinct? -fuck modernization
\_ That's "Jeannie", you cretin.
\_ Yes, but all sex must be scheduled in advance and only the
missionary position is allowed until the second child, then
you will be refused sex until someone dies.
\_ is this in reference to the 60s women, modern
Western women, or Westernized Asian women?
\_ Is it just Taipei or is that true for the whole isle?
\_ Young people in Hong Kong love Timberland boots, because they are
very expensive over there. Don't know about Taiwan.
\_ haaa? that was N years ago i think.
\_ Oh, my sister told me this 7yrs ago. I'm so outdated.
\_ clothes from Polo/nautica/Gap. |
| 2005/12/6-7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:40873 Activity:kinda low |
12/6 I am going to Taiwan in January. Haven't been there in a very long
time. I need to bring some gifts, but can't think of much that's
either uniquely available here or significantly cheaper here. I
need to buy gifts for kids, cousins in their 20s, and also lots of
aunts and uncles. What do people bring when they go back to
Asia? Ideas and suggestions? Please help!
\_ Bring back nice traditional wife from rural China since most
Taiwanese women have Westernized and modernized, meaning they
don't cook, they don't clean, and they bitch all day.
\_ You mean Taiwanese women are more like Hong Kong women now?
\_ 2 months ago my sister had to bring back 150 bottles of Centrum
Silver we bought from Costco. I really don't understand it.
\_ Centrum vitamins. At least my parents did 20 years ago... -oj
\_ Hmm, my mom still does that.
\_ Beef jerky or dried mangoes from Costco.
\_ Also pistachios from Costco. My dad buys a lot of this from
Costco to bring back to Hong Kong when he visits me.
\_ We've brought viatamins and beef jerky back to Korea. Probably
the most popular thing for us has been honey. It's very
expensive in Korea, and my father-in-law loves it. They also
liked Macadamia nuts. I don't know about Taiwan, but Koreans
don't like overly sweet candy, so even chocolate covered rasins
didn't go over well. American alcohol can be good too, but
check the customs regulations. -jrleek
\_ American ginseng from Wisconsin. In Chinese medicine and culinary,
American ginseng serves different purpose than the ginseng from
American ginseng serves different purpose from the ginseng from
Korea and north China. -- yuen
\_ or some Polo / Calvin Kline shirts from Cosco. I think it's more
suitable for people in the 20s. -live in TW. |
| 2005/9/28-10/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:39912 Activity:nil |
9/28 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050928/od_nm/australia_births_dc Be patriotic, produce more kids! \_ Singapore has had similar policy for over a decade. Recently Hong Kong followed too. \_ I once met a fellow in Siena who was paid by the Singapore government to go on vacation so he can meet women and reproduce. He's a dual-PhD director of some Singaporean museum and the government really wants him to pass on his genes. He's also flaming gay, but supposedly the Singaporean reproduction program doesn't recognize homosexuality officially. \_ Taiwan also has this policy. But get this. The policy of encouraging more kids does *NOT* apply to 1. non-Hans, which includes: a. Taiwan abroigine b. mail-order brides that is Vietnam/Indonesia/Philipine orgin 2. Han Chinese that came from mainland China. Cool, huh? \_ Singapore encourages good genes by giving tax incentives. How about Taiwan? There's a difference between what the culture/ media promote, and what the government actually advocates. \_ Gee. Then this is one thing that Commie China is better. Just the opposite, the one-child policy in Commie China does not apply to minorities. \_ There are Hans that didn't come from Mainland China? \_ you pointed out a very interesting point. Those Hans who came to Taiwan prior to Japanese occupation considered themselves the true owner of Taiwan island (while performing genecide toward the abroigine). They tend to be hostile to Hans who came to Taiwan after Japanese occupation. \_ Where did Chewie come from? Or is it Chuy? \_ Kashyyyk \_ World pop would be something like 15 trillion in 200 years if today's growth rate continues -- it's going to have slow down today's growth rate continues -- it's going to have to slow down some day. Now, are the problems with a graying population easier to cope with if you have a large population or a small population? \_ that's why we need to terraform the moon and mars. \_ take a trip to China and step out the city. My conclusion from it is that population will be limited by available fresh water. and deep down, I suspect there will be a plague/pandemic that will make Spanish Flue of 1919 looks like a child play. \_ But the problem with a plague at this age is that, with today's travelling, a plague will probaby spread around the world easily. \_ yup. the result of pandemic would mean mass reduction in population world wide, not confined in given region. |
| 2005/9/22-25 [Academia, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:39829 Activity:nil |
9/22 Invited by PRC to speak at Beijing University, Li Ao quoted
Chairman Mao saying that the CCP will one day perish, and
gave an outspoken and daring speech attacking everyone from
Beijing University officials, CCP leaders to Taiwan politicians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/23/international/asia/23china.html |
| 2005/8/29-30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:39330 Activity:nil |
8/29 Anyone has any experience with IPTVs? Do they work ok? In
particular, I am interested in mixed China/Taiwan/HK offerings.
Recently got a mail offering from http://kylintv.com but it seems to
be pure PRC serials / HK movies. I also want Taiwan variety
and political shows. I am in the midwest, so I don't get
any chinese channels, and I am getting free cable, so I don't
want to go directtv. |
| 2005/7/16-18 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:38654 Activity:moderate |
7/16 What in the FUCKING WORLD is wrong with the ppl in tw? They report
Harry Potter plot spoilers as news events... Headline in bold on
news sites printing so and so was killed in book 6. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?
\_ I know a little Chinese, but never read taiwanese news sites. I
definitely appreciate the warning. Thanks. BTW, I propose a 1
week potter book 6 blackout on the motd, if not longer.
\_ Damn, and I wanted to tell the world that Harry finds out
that James Potter isn't really dead but is masquerading
as the Dread Pirate Sith Lord LeChuck.
\_ Geez, it took you this long to understand why the heroic PRC wants
to invade the place and put paid to this outrage? -John
\_ believe me or not, there are plenty of denizens in TW are
looking forward for this day. and the number is growing.
\_ Too bad. It's a good thing I can't read Chinese.
\_ Maybe there is no real news to report?
\_ You're saying someone was killed in book 6!?!? Oh no, a spoiler!! |
| 2005/6/27-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:38322 Activity:high |
6/27 What exactly would a PRC invasion of Taiwan look like? Naval blockade?
Massive landing of ground troops? Bombing? Some sort of coup by
pro-mainland agents inside the government? Thoughts?
\_ http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/taiwan.htm.
Short summary: a conventional military invasion of Taiwan will fail.
-- ilyas
\_ What about this:
http://www.washtimes.com/specialreport/20050626-122138-1088r.htm
"We left the million-man swim behind in about 1998, 1999 ... And
in fact, what people are saying now ... is that it's a moot
point, because in just amphibious lift alone, the Chinese are
doubling or even quadrupling their capability on an annual
basis. ... In the '07-'08 time frame, a capability will be there
that a year ago we would have said was very, very unlikely. We
now assess that as being very likely to be there."
\_ Throwing 5 million guys at the problem often worked for the
Soviets. -John
\_ China will need, using a very rough estimate, 600,000-1mil
amphibious troops, and a perfectly executed plan that was
somehow concealed from the US. If the US gets involved at any
stage before most of these troops are on the island, it's
stage before most of these troops are on the mainland, it's
over. Given the stakes and the cost of failure, I do not
believe China will mount a conventional invasion. This is
also assuming massed troops have the same value today as
they did in 1944. It's actually the case that massing troops
puts one at a severe strategic disadvantage in today's
technological environment. Aside from the amphibious
capabilities needed to mount such an attack, China will also
need to project sufficient naval power to make American
Navy a moot point. This will not happen in the next 20 years,
and perhaps never. I should also repeat, going into an open
war with the US that the US will have the spine to fight is
suicide for any state, China included. -- ilyas
\_ The US would not be enough of a factor to stop an
invasion, although they could cause significant damage
afterwards. Supply distances are too long, and carrier
task groups are too vulnerable to attack. The US,
especially given its low international standing now,
would not use tactical nukes first, and if the PRC were
to annihilate a few carriers with a sub-launched nuke,
there's your "most of them on the island" already. -John
\_ I am curious if there is any concrete information known
about the PRCs possible plans to zerg carrier groups
with missiles. I am not aware of any concrete (i.e.
actual existing ships involved) criticisms of carrier
group vulnerabilities. I remain sceptical about PRCs
missile technology's ability at this time to pose a
genuine threat, but it is a concern. No known submarine
will survive to deliver a first strike on a carrier
group, unless I am missing something obvious. -- ilyas
\_ The PRC is not currently known to have sufficient
SSM capability. That doesn't mean they don't have
it--remember, the Soviets spent the better part of
30 years perfecting the idea. And it wouldn't have
to survive the first strike, just get the bloody
things off. First strike, remember? Bang. I
rather think the PRC is keeping off invading Taiwan
because (a) it would lose most of the "goodwill"
it's spent the last decades bribing the third world
into according it, and (b) the cost of having its
shit fucked up by the US (which it would) would
exceed the gain from successfully invading Taiwan
(which it would.) Given time, that equation may
change... -John
\_ PRC doesn't need to invade. If Taiwan declares independence, PRC
will just freeze all Taiwanese assets in China, lob one or two
missiles, and Taiwan will capitulate and come back to the
negotiation table. In the silly fantasy scenario of an
actual invasion, it's not going to do any stupid massive amphibious
landing assault. Instead, it will attempt a lightning strike.
PRC will strike with its missiles (and planes) to try to
incapacitate Taiwan's airforce, then it will drop airborne
troops to try to decapitate Taiwan's leadership, and sow
chaos all over the island. It will attempt to do all this
before US carrier group arrives. This will throw Taiwan's
people into a massive panic even if the actual operations
aren't too successful. What some people don't understand
is that the will to suffer massive losses (economic and
in terms of human lives) for an extended period is there
for PRC if Taiwan declares independence. It's not that
Taiwan's military sucks or anything, it's just that
people in Taiwan are not willing to sacrifice what it
takes to attain dejure independence. As for PRC, nah, it won't
invade Taiwan without cause anytime soon like the recent silly
articles surmised. It will just continue to bid its time, and
integrate Taiwan economically.
and perhaps never. -- ilyas
\_ I don't know if China has any concrete plans to zerg
the carrier groups in some way with missiles
for PRC if Taiwan declares independence.
integrate Taiwan economically, as long as Taiwan doesn't declare
independence.
\_ this is the closest to what will happen in reality. |
| 2005/6/27-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:38312 Activity:kinda low |
6/27 I'm a Taiwanese citizen and my password renewal is only $36 at the
Taiwanese Cultural Center (Embassy in Los Angeles) and takes
about 2-3 weeks. My gf is a US citizen and her passport renewal is
$55 and takes about 6 weeks. Her expedited fee is $60. Can someone
tell me why there's a big difference? Like government more/less
efficient, funding issues, 9/11 background check, etc?
\_ It isn't a big difference.
\_ Perhaps tw population is only 23 million, and u.s. is 300 million?
\_ Probably because they assume Americans have more money. When
I applied for a travel visa at the Chinese consulate in SF it
was $100, but a lot cheaper for Chinese citizens.
\_ Shrug, I didn't do expedited and my U.S. passport came in the
mail in 10 days last year.
\_ I got my US passport in about a week as well.
\_ American government worker efficiency can be easily characterized
as those who work as efficiently as DMV. Go Europe!!! Fuck America!
\_ Cheap Taiwanese labor
\_ Seriously though - when you renew your Taiwanese passport (or any
other foreign passports) in their respective embassies/consulates,
you seldom get the maximum renewal period. So if you go back to
Taiwan and renew your Taiwanese passport there, you might get 6
extra years while here in LA you only get 3 years extension. The
idea is to give you enough time and encourage you to renew back in
Taiwan. US passports are more expensive to renew, BUT you get
something like 5-10 extra years, so the $$$ is a wash.
\- this is an artificial number. the time is what the govt
wants it to be. it's like asking why library A allows 3weeks
+ 3 renewals and another library allows 1month + 2 renewals.
however the costs may be affected by the USD exchange rate. |
| 2005/6/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:38039 Activity:nil |
6/8 Hey Taiwanese people. How important is it nowadays to speak
Taiwanese? Do people treat you better if you speak Taiwanese?
Do they treat you like a Mainlander dirt if you use Mandarin?
-someone who understands but can't speak well
\_ Depends where you are in Taiwan. If you're in Taipei it
doesn't matter. But if you go to the South area you will find some
people won't even be able to talk to you in Mandarin. Also you'll
have more friendly encounters if you speak Taiwanese there.
\_ so how worthwhile is it to learn it fluently? I only know basics
\_ depends on where you live, and how you plan to use
it of course. When I was at Berkeley they offered a
student initiated and organized Taiwanese class
for credit.
\_ It depends upon you. If you have elders who don't speak
Mandarin, then, you should learn to speak with them. If
you are the type who treat this "Taiwanese" (which is, strictly
speaking, a dialect of Southern Fujian province) as an important
identity thing, then, stop asking questions and just learn it.
I speak Mandarin Chinese with a Beijing accent (which is
still in many ways considered proper, eventhough not necessarily
politically correct). Despite decade of racial campaign against
those who either identify with China and/or parents are born
in China by DPP, people in Taiwan generally pretty tolerant and
friendly. Most people treat me as a Mainlander, and I no longer
bother to explain it.
and why do you care if they treat you as a Mainlander dirt? are
you saying that you are embracing this kind of racial prejudice? |
| 2005/5/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:37497 Activity:nil 52%like:37467 |
5/3 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4507681.stm 1626 : "24 bibelots pour Manhattan" 2005 : "2 pandas vraiment mignons pour Taiwan"le \_ sont eux les carottes agricoles d'offre à Taiwan parce que many des fermiers de Taiwan sont-ils les défenseurs de Chen ? |
| 2005/5/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:37467 Activity:nil 52%like:37497 |
5/2 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4507681.stm 1626: "24 trinkets for Manhattan" 2005: "2 really cute pandas for Taiwan" \_ Are they offering agricultural carrots to Taiwan because many of Taiwan's farmers are Chen's supporters? \_ sind sie anbietende landwirtschaftliche Karotten zu Taiwan many? |
| 2005/4/1-2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:37015 Activity:nil |
4/1 And this is supposed to be the #1 English language paper for Taiwan
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/04/01/2003248585
\_ Huh? What's wrong with the article itself? |
| 2005/3/24-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:36866 Activity:nil |
3/24 Ah, the eloquence of Taiwanese English media
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2005/03/25/2003247763 |
| 2005/1/12-13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:35686 Activity:moderate |
1/12 I have a friend who has to go to Taiwan for work occasionaly and he
says all he can find is wierd bland seafood dishes. What are some
things he should order to satisfy an American palate? And how do you
pronounce them?
\_ Tell him to try the durian.
\_ "Mahk Doh nalds" -- You might have to order a royale with cheese.
\_ you mean MAI DONG LAW!!! Every old Chinese immigrant I've met
say that. And GO BO-KO-LAI! Go Beahs! |
| 2004/10/11 [Politics/Foreign/Canada, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:34024 Activity:very high |
10/8 I have a greencard but don't have a US citizenship. Can I get
in/out of Canada using just my greencard+driver's license?
Do I need my passport? Is there anything I have to do at the
Taiwanese embassy? -Taiwanese
\_ I was under the impression that US citizens were now expected
to present a passport at the border. The last time I crossed
the border I was stopped several miles *inside* the U.S. in
upstate new york and asked by a soldier to present a passport(
I'm a U.S. citizen). Paranoia is the word of the day right now.
And with Bush slipping in the polls, I would expect Tom Ridge
to be announcing lots of vague terror threats in the next few
weeks. If I were you, i'd bring whatever documentation I could
possible think of, and find a place ahead of time to stay in
possibly think of, and find a place ahead of time to stay in
canada after you get stuck there.
\-for mexico and canda greencard will get you back into the
country ... when i have gone to mexico, they have sometimes
stamped my passport. if you were a brown person, i would
probably take a passport to mexico. i think it's generally
not a bad idea to take the passport along.
\_ 1. I wouldn't do it. I would suggest you get visa anyway.
2. just a kindly reminder. There is no such thing as Taiwanese
embassy.
\_ I know, it's called the Taiwanese Cultural Center.
I said embassy because most people here don't know
about it.
\_ ditto above. I think that technically as a citizen, you can just
present your driver's license, so you might be able to get away
with just your greencard and license. I've known a couple people
who went away for holidays in the last two years and were unable
to get back in for several weeks. Granted, these were people with
student visas who went home to India. Canada might not be a
problem... but I'd do a little online research just in case.
\_ You need your Taiwan passport to get in/out of country and a
green card to enter the US.
\_ I read about this on the CIS website - since Mexico & Canada are
NAFTA countries, as a permanent resident you are allowed up to
30-day per stay without Mexican/Canadian visa. It's a good idea
to bring your passport along though - the U.S. Border Patrol would
want to see it.
\-hello i posted the original followup but another fellow makes
a good point about the new chimpy world order ... now i would
take my passport for sure. |
| 2004/8/27 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:33186 Activity:very high |
8/27 Last night on NBC the president of IOC mentioned that, as an example
that IOC doesn't do everyting to please Americans, baseball will be
removed from the Olympics in the future. Anyone knows what the reason
is to remove baseball? It was just added recently.
\_ have you eve been to a baseball game involving teams
you don't care about? 5 hours of pain in the sun!
\_ it's quite pleasant if you're a fan of the sport. i try to
take in a night game when i have the time, especially in the
middle of longer business trips.
\_ I bet 5 hours in the grecian sun would suck. are there
any other events with games that long?
\_ i believe the average major league game is just under
3 hours. are olympic games longer than that?
\_ Probably softball too. Too few countries participating. Host
countries are left with a stadium they can't use for any other
purpose.
\_ Because we invaded Iraq.
\_ Because it's stupid and they can't dress the women in skimpy outfits
like basketball and *cough* beach vollyball?!?!?
\_ The Olympics is a bunch of assholes out to make money.
\_ This is fine. Not even Americans give a shit about baseball, and
especially not softball which is just bastardized baseball anyway.
Cricket has a lot more of a world following, and would include
those highly-populated southeast asian countries. But cricket takes
literally days to play a match and so a condensed version would be
needed for the Olympics.
\_ Sounds more like an anti-Japan ruling...
\_ Anti-Cuban. Japan probably does its fair share of greasing
palms at the IOC.
\_ And anti-Taiwan? I think baseball is the #1 sport there.
\_ The Taiwanese will give money to any organization that
recognizes them.
\_ Taiwan is like a big prostitute. At least it
won some cool medals this time around.
- tainan taiwanese
\_ Hey, is there some scheme where we can get the
Taiwanese government to fund the CSUA? Maybe
we can name a machine after the country or rename
ourselves CSUA for Taiwan Independence?
\_ It has been a dream of mine to register
csua.int for some time. Maybe we can get
the US and Taiwan to form a Computer
Science Undergraduate Association Friendship
committee or something. |
| 2004/6/17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:30873 Activity:high |
6/17 What do Taiwanese people have against Jackie Chan?
\_ he's a male chauvinist pig
\_ thanks for the fact filled url on that topic!
\_ if you were a h07 42n ch1c u would already know!
\_ because earlier he made a comment in Shanghai, saying that Taiwan's
election in 2004 is "stupid." Taiwan government felt insulted,
refused to issue license for this charity performance.
\_ I have a Taiwanese friend who's hated him for more than a year.
Is this 2004 election the only reason?
\_ He married a famous Taiwanese actress, and she stopped
making movies. Some people were annoyed about that.
\_ I hate him because his movies promote Asian stereotypes, that
they're short and ugly and that their accent & moves are hilarious
hence should not be taken seriously -serious asian
\_ Anyone who actually believes this is an idiot. For
examples, see the "Hardboiled" newspaper around Berkeley.
\_ white on the outside, yellow on the inside?
\_ you care too much about what white people think, and thus
allowed them to define you. you will never jump out of it
that way. you will always be a wannabe.
\_ no one is 'defining' him or anyone else. no one thinks
Jackie Chan = Standard Asian Male. he's a comedy actor who
does physical comedy and stunts. nothing more.
\_ so what's your problem?
\_ I think it's worth pointing out that Jackie Chan
thinks of himself as a modern day Buster Keaton. He's
studied Keaton's work, and apparently is a big fan.
\_ urlP?
\_ #t |
| 2004/6/4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:30595 Activity:nil |
6/4 Question for the anti-Taiwan independence crowd. Didn't China
cede Taiwan to Japan in the treaty of Shimonoseki? -- ilyas
\_ China tried ceding Taiwan, but Taiwan declared indepen-
dence before the Japanese invaded Taiwan, then Japan
ceded Taiwan back to China after WWII. Weird. That's
why Taiwan should declare independence. We have
superior US made weapons that will kick China arse.
Some association of US companies in Taiwan put out
an advertisement in some Taiwan newspaper last weekend
warning Taiwan government to negotiate direct
shipping, flight, etc. to PRC, or US companies will all
be dumping Taiwan soon. Those traitors!
Taiwan will soon be spending another US$18 billion to
buy weapons. Greedy Americans overcharges Taiwan by
an arm and a leg for the weapons since no one else
sells to Taiwan. Those bastards! But hey, those
are some cool toys to play with. I was personally
aboard one of the Knox class destroyers when it was down
in Long Beach during handover training after it was
bought by Taiwan. That was one outdated warship.
We need a few Aegis boats instead. Please sell us
a few. PRC commies recently been unofficially
publishing list of Taiwan actresses and singers and
stars who are pro-independence. Heard that president
Ah Bian recently had trouble inviting any of these
money grubbing actresses and singers and stars to
his functions. Those PRC commie bastard bullies!
\_ yea but article 4 of the Treaty of Peace between China
and Japan states that:
It is recognised that all treaties, conventions,
and agreements concluded before 9 December 1941
between Japan and China have become null and
void as a consequence of the war. |
| 2004/4/26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:13389 Activity:nil |
4/26 US warns Taiwan not to perceive pledge of defense as blank check
http://csua.org/u/72p (NYTimes: csuamotd/csuamotd)
\_ thank you for the csuamotd!! now i can read NY times!!
\_ and numerous other pseudo-free registration sites.
\_ Yeah, that and all the other news I've been reading still suggests
that the U.S. doesn't think Taiwanese independence is worth it;
if Taiwan wants to break the status quo by pushing for formal
independence, we might break away from the Taiwan Relations Act --
there is only one China
\_ If it comes down to it, I don't think it's worth it either.
The status quo works. I don't want to get into a war with
China over a semantic pissing match.
\_ The current status quo only works up to now because it is based
on the assumption of a static model that the 2 sides are on
equal military footing. However, the situation across the TW
Strait is dynamic one. With recent missiles build up in CN,
CN is estimated to have the capability to invade and take TW
by 2006-2008. TW's current administration is under time
pressure to take some form of action by then. One scenario is
an outright formal independence. Another one is unification
under CN's one-china terms. The current status quo is
unlikely to be able to last for another 10 years.
\_ "With recent missiles build up in CN, CN is estimated to
have the capability to invade and take TW by 2006-2008" --
this is the first time I've seen this, and I read a lot
of stuff. "TW's current administration is under time
pressure to take some form of action by then". Have you
considered that a vastly more important factor could be that
Chen's term will be up by then so he's trying to get the
change in while he can, since Ma, KMT's probable candidate,
will probably win in 2008 and follow this with dropping any
pro-independence measures in progress?
\_ Actually this quote suddenly appeared on some newspaper
from Taiwan today, ostensibly quoting Jane's, which, as
I recall, has always been giving fuzzy statements like that
not just on China but just about any contentious subject,
but the dates keep changing. |
| 2004/4/2-3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12991 Activity:high |
4/2 Taiwan forming its own identity, apart from China -SJ Mercury News
http://csua.org/u/6qg
\_ how powerful is Taiwan's military? Who'll come to Taiwan
support if China invades Taiwan?
\_ currently strong enough that China can't risk a failed invasion.
the US will.
\_ Is Taiwan recognized by the U.N.? But how did this happen
when China is in the security council?
\_ Taiwan Relations Act
\_ Who cares what the UN recognizes?
\_ it's not the UN, it's every single darn country in
in the world including the USA, with the exception
of a few banana republics in the 3rd world part of
of the americas.
\_ which "it" are you refering to? As long as the US,
Japan, and the EU are willing to trade with you, it
doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
\_ Didn't we cover all of this, yesterday?
\_ I read somewhere that Taiwan's military is strong enough to
defend itself for a few weeks. At any rate, if China seriously
wants to take over Taiwan, it can do so easily. It's just a
question of how they want to be perceived by others. The Chinese
question of how they want to be perceived by others. The CHinese
government feels insulted by the Taiwanese government so they
gotta act tough. By they also won't attack Taiwan just because
they don't want other people to perceive them as an aggressive
nation.
\_ Okay, mano a mano, China can most likely beat Taiwan. I don't
think anyone ever said the opposite. They won't attack Taiwan
because of U.S. power; China would like its own citizens to
believe that it's not attacking Taiwan because of its great
benevolence, which is not a real problem given its propaganda,
censorship, and punishment machine.
\_ I am fucking tired of this worn topic, so here is for you
to know. 1) China does NOT have the capability to invade
Taiwan in the near future. 2) China does HAVE the ability
make the life in Taiwan miserable for the foreseeable future
and beyond without actually using much of a military force.
\_ My post counters all the assertions of the previous post.
\_ No, it doesn't. Your post makes unfounded assertions
no different than the one you respond to above.
Your post ... just seems to be angry.
\_ Can some anti-Taiwan-independence person explain to me why wanting
independence for its own sake is a bad thing? Surely we have
some people on the motd who don't want an independent Taiwan,
otherwise this topic wouldn't keep coming up. -- ilyas
\_ ha, that'll get a predictable response. haven't you heard all the
"inseparable part of china" stuff? expect a civil war reference.
|_ We were proud being Chinese till the damn Westerners
humiliated us in the past 200 years. We're sick and tired of
seeing your corrupt big white penises^H^H^H^H^H^H^H military
power in our ass and we just want to show you that we're not
the stupid, unsophisticated savages you portray us to be. At
any rate, we want unification so that we will eventually kick
you ass like we did centries ago.
\_ You are showing us already...
\_ unification won't help. your entire culture is pointed in
the wrong direction to overtake the US or even the EU. if
China had the same military as the US they'd have already
taken over the world so you can put away the America bashing.
\_ Nah, when China's mighty fleet sailed the seven seas under
admiral Cheng Ho, it didn't invade or occupy any country
even though it could easily do so. Chinese is just not
interested in barbarian lands cause they smell bad. Only
barbarians invade other people's lands. Chinese prefer to
allow the barbarians to voluntarily join the Great Chinese
Civilization but only after they learned to civilize
\_ *hahahahhahahahhahahahahahaa*!!! too funny! Let's go
share some boiled pigs knuckles and watch a few
hundred drug dealers get executed in public right after
we perform a few forced abortions on the outlying farms.
\_ You are showing us already...
taken over the world so you can put away the America bashing.
themselves.
\_ I already answered the question yesterday. let's put it this
way. taiwan already has de facto independence under the
current status quo. why risk economic war or military war
with prc for "official independence". taiwan is already paying
a huge economic price in terms of lack of direct links with
prc and the military arms race with prc, and the various self-
imposed limits place on its companies in terms of investing /
setting up shop in the prc. taiwan shares the same language as
prc, and taiwan businessmen are thriving in prc. the tv
shows, movies, music, food all have huge overlap. why risk
all that just to gain the independence "name", which still
will not be recognized by all the major countries in the
world? there is nothing necessarily wrong with taiwan
independence per se, just like there is nothing necessarily
wrong with say Hawaii independence, but in practice it is
not worth it. Now, most people from the prc would disagree
with this view. they believe taiwan is part of an
unfinished civil war. they also believe that taiwan is in
many ways a pawn of US and Japan, even though they would admit
that the flow of investment, technology, management expertise
from taiwan to prc has benefitted the prc tremendously over the
past 20 years. add to that the long history of japan and western
bullying of china (as the "big white penis"-guy above
pointed out), and taiwan independence becomes unacceptable
at any cost. on the other hand, many prc people, or at
least those in the us, recognized that taiwan is in most
ways more advanced than the prc, and that war is the last
resort, and status quo is the best, and prc should learn
from taiwan in many ways. why don't you tell us what is the
criteria one should use in weighing the merits on whether
a territory should become independent?
\_ You are talking about the international games of chess. China
doesn't want US influence to expand, etc. Do you have a moral
argument against the independence of Taiwan (assuming a
majority of Taiwanese want it)? I don't care about the rest,
because the rest is soulless bullshit. -- ilyas
\_ soulless bullshit? you don't know what the fuck you
are talking about. We are talking about real lives
in the real world, not one of your silly little
pseudo intellectual head games.
\_ Just like the founders of this nation. They spilled
blood and most ended poor or dead from our war of indep.
from England. Just some silly little head game over
tea taxes, eh?
\_ yea, they spilled blood just like the southerners
spilled blood during the civil war. if you want
independence, blood will be spilled. Also, unlike
US vs far away England, taiwan will still have to
live with a hostile neighbour 100 times its size.
\_ With real acknowledged independence they will be
out from the ever present shadow of the evil PRC.
The constant threat of invasion and the
uncertainty of their future status is a big long
term drag on the economy which hinders foreign
investment and growth. If their status were
finally resolved the newly free Taiwan would make
the current Taiwan look like the 3rd world.
pseudo intellectual head games.
from England. Just some silly little head game over
tea taxes, eh?
tea taxes, eh?
\_ yea, they spilled blood just like the southerners
spilled blood during the civil war. if you want
independence, blood will be spilled.
Like I said, taiwan already has democracy and
freedom. what additional benefits will independence
bring? what are the risks and costs?
\_ Ok, let's try this again. Say there is this
hypothetical island in the pacific, where the majority
of the population wants to secede from the big
continental Paterland. The big continental Paterland
doesn't want this, for a variety of realpolitik reasons
which I understand. Aside from those reasons, the moral
argument against the independence of the island is...?
-- ilyas
\_ I don't know about a "moral" argument, but how
about the fact that Taiwanese people suck just
as bad at government as Mainlanders? In fact,
historically Chinese stink at government.
\_ What are you trying to say here, that the
Taiwanese (and Chinese) are incapable of governing
themselves well, and need strong foreign
leadership? -- ilyas
\_ No, just that it doesn't really matter
if they're independent or not, things
are going to suck. What they need isn't
foreigners, they need a truly great
\_ Welcome to World History. Enjoy your
stay. -- ilyas
leader to emerge, the likes of which
they've seldom had in their thousands of
years of history.
\_ I'm just asking for clarification.
years of history.
Their world spanning empire collapses into
anarchy until the next superman emerges a
\_ These "great" leaders are mostly known
for wars and conquests. I don't think I
want one of them drafting me into his
glorious army.
few hundred years later?
\_ So you're saying the entire Chinese culture
is simply broken and they need a superman to
save their pathetic useless asses? And what
happens after this mythical superman dies?
Their world spanning empire collapses into
anarchy until the next superman emerges a
few hundred years later?
\_ Welcome to World History. Enjoy your
stay. -- ilyas
\_ you didn't know the Chinese culture was
broken? people realized it back in the
last century.
\_ If a truly great leader emerges, I want him
here where I live. Those are rare!
-- ilyas
\_ let's say 49% of the population do not wish to
secede. Also, say, the population of Paterland
have fought many wars and sacrificed many lives
in defense of the island (whose population was
originally happy to be part of Paterland since
they are from Paterland) against invaders who
after taking the island, also invaded other
parts of Paterland, exploiting the island for
supplies, etc. for its war effort, killing millions
of Paterland people. Let's say big amounts of
wealth from Paterland has been used to help
develop the island over many years ... by the
way, if I live in wisconsin, does that mean I
have no stake in say florida, or do I have a
stake there too since it is also part of my
country?
\_ Only about 20% of Taiwan population came from
China during the 20th century. Immigration
patterns don't prove very much. At one point,
the vast majority of Americans were of British
descent. That Paterland provided for
the island's security at one point is irrelevant.
That's like saying if a girl dates a guy, and he
gets a bloody nose protecting her, she has to
marry him and stay with him forever. What if
she no longer likes him?
If you live in Wisconsin, it's frankly none of
your business if Florida wants to secede.
-- ilyas
\_ really? so even though americans fought
to protect hawaii from the japanese during
ww2, it doesn't count for anything, and hawaii
can just dump the US if it chose to do so?
Also, say, as an american, I like the freedom
and choice to be able to move around the
country. for example, say, I want to work in
illinois, and retire in florida. you are saying
this freedom of mine can be taken away? Also,
I like to visit the national parks of this
country, but some random territory can just
declare these parks to off limits to all
other americans besides the locals? do you
even know what it means to be a nation?
\_ As far as I am concerned, nations are
voluntary things. If people can't leave
it's a gulag, not a nation. If Floridians
decide they want to strike it on their own,
and close their borders to tourists, that's
their right. You don't have a right to
wander through other people's backyards,
if they don't want you there. -- ilyas
\_ so north taiwan can declare indepen-
dence and become a separate nation
from south taiwan, or maybe remain
in status quo, or even rejoin china?
\_ If they want, yes. -- ilyas
\_ so if I declare my ranch to be
a one person nation and then
let russia place an icbm here,
there is no problem right?
\_ no, you can't. you're not a
large enough entity to survive
since you'll be landlocked, have no access to seed, water, _/
fuel, fertiliser, trade partners, medical care or anything else
without passing through US territory you exist at the whim of
the US which makes your 'nation' no different than being a
citizen-slob like the rest of us. pay your taxes and shut up.
\_ As far as I am concerned
you have a right to
secede by default, and
the burden of proof is
on the other party (in
this case the US). Of
course, per the link I
posted below, US will not
allow secession, since
democracies are destroyed
by secessions. -- ilyas
there is no problem right?
independently. you can declare
anything you want but even if
the US let you secede you'd
just starve to death. since
of the US you *are* a part of
if you don't like it, you can always
leave the country. and no, nobody's
the US (in effect) thus your
secession is meaningless. pay
your taxes and stop wanking.
you'd only survive at the will
of the US you *are* a part of
the US (in effect) thus your
secession is meaningless. pay
your taxes and stop wanking.
\_ why will I starve to death?
I can just grow food on
my plot of land and
live well. hundreds of
millions of subsistence
farmers all over the world
do that.
\_ no a nation is not a voluntary thing.
it is a shared thing owned by all
\_ I don't know. I think we need
a few hundred years and better
tech for the kind of government
I would be happy with. Your
argument can also read: "What
makes you say US will be
successful with so many hostile
non-democracies stomping
around?" -- ilyas
\_ The answer to your question
is already answered by you.
The US federal government
forces everyone to work
together for the greater
good whether you want to or
not. In a libertarian
system what is your method
of common defense? Intern'l
trade? Transport? Border
protection? It's here and
now without needing Star
Trek tech to make it work.
\_ They don't necessarily rely on it.
Usually they want to be part of
a larger group so as to have more
power and benefits. If they were
too fragmented they'd also be
vulnerable to aggressive non-
democracies as you say. I think
that if the South had successfully
seceded, it would have altered
world history but not necessarily
anything so terrible. The key is
the "states' rights" issue which
e.g. in Europe will always be
important. I believe USA founders
intended a lot more state power
and less federal. It's also pretty
clear that Californians would be
better served by being split into
at least 2 states.
\_ It depends on where you draw
that line. Some splittists
want to draw that line north
of the SF Bay Area.
backyard is florida. backyard is the
citizens. no it is not a gulag because
small patch of lawn behind your house.
if you don't like it, you can always
leave the country, or work to change it
for the better. and no, nobody's
backyard is florida. backyard is the
small patch of lawn behind your house.
\_ Here is a good read on ethics of
secession:
\_ of course it's the US navy. once the Korean War started,
the US 7th fleet is ready to defend taiwan, and prc indefi-
nitely postponed all plans for invading taiwan. Lots
of Taiwanese communists then were ready to help the prc from
the inside if prc invaded.
\_ Why did the PRC not chase the KMT to Taiwan immediately?
Because they couldn't. The USN came much later and now
it's too late. Without fighting it, no one can say if
the PRC can take Taiwan or not without US helping Taiwan.
Even if the US backed out now, I don't see the PRC going
in for at least 10-15 more years. They don't have the
air force, the navy, the troop transports, and most
importantly, the logistical capacity to launch a large
scale amphibious invasion. DDay wasn't just luck.
"inseparable part of china" stuff? expect a civil war reference.
-- ilyas
you can't defend yerself for just to prove a point
that's no longer a point.
It's fun to watch people who follow too. -- ivy
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/secession.html
Interesting point: democracies rely
on suppression of secession. This
is one of the reasons I dislike
democracies (and why there is tension
between libertarian ideas and
democratic ideas). There are some
other goodies on that site worth
reading. -- ilyas
\_ uhm, what is your governmental
preference if not democracy? you
think a purely libertarian form
of government is viable in a world
with so many hostile non-libert.
governments stomping around?
\_ I don't know. I think we need
a few hundred years and better
tech for the kind of government
I would be happy with. Your
argument can also read: "What
makes you say US will be
successful with so many hostile
non-democracies stomping
around?" -- ilyas
\_ It gotta be the funniest thing if you say Taiwan can defend itself.
It's the dumbest thing to do to pick a fight
you can't defend yerself for just to prove a point
that's no longer a point.
It's fun to watch people who follow too. -- ivy
\_ This is historically and factually incorrect. If Taiwan was
unable to defend itself or more correctly if the PRC was capable
of taking over Taiwan at any point in the last 50 years they
would have. What stopped them from following when the KMT losers
fled the mainland and continuing their winning civil war on the
island and being done with it? It wasn't the US Navy....
\_ of course it's the US navy. once the Korean War started,
the US 7th fleet is ready to defend taiwan, and prc indefi-
nitely postponed all plans for invading taiwan. Lots
of Taiwanese communists then were ready to help the prc from
the inside if prc invaded. |
| 2004/4/1-2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12965 Activity:very high |
4/1 The reason why PRC is keeping quiet about Taiwan election -
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_14/b3877006.htm
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_14/b3877002.htm
\_ because PRC learned its lesson. Last thing they want is TW
nationals rallying against them. If you know anything about
Chinese Communist Party, you should know that when they are being
people rally against them. If you know anything about Chinese
quiet, that is when you should be REALLY worry about them.
\_ This article is filled with "I'm a moron" spin. Another
way you could spin it is that Chen's share of the vote increased
from ~ 35-40% from the 2000 election to ~ 50% for 2004, China
would find its own stability problematic if it decided to attack
Taiwan and disrupt business, everyone in Taiwan already knew
the referendums were totally political anyway, and whatever China
has or hasn't done, Chen has been re-elected. In fact, I would
say that China has realized its previously asinine diplomatic
approaches have been replaced with something more reasonable.
\_ why the range of 35-40% ? he got 39% in 2000 in a 3-way race.
\_ maybe because I couldn't remember what the exact percentage
was?
\_ let's say if taiwan declares independence, and prc takes
over all taiwan linked assets and factories in china, and
cuts off all trade with taiwan (prc being taiwan's biggest
export market). is this a cost taiwan is willing to bear
to move from status quo to independence? for how long?
\_ What if then the US freezes all trade to China? Is this a
cost China is willing to bear by being aggressive to Taiwan?
For how long?
\_ Fat chance. That would wreck our economy. If China
attacked Taiwan, we'd make a lot of noise and let them
burn.
\_ In order for China to attack Taiwan, it will need to
mass forces. The U.S. will deploy a couple aircraft
carriers, deterring the amphibious assault. China will
need a credible anti-carrier capability, which is why
it's developing GPS-guided cruise missiles. If the U.S.
can somehow manage to maintain combat superiority,
China won't even try to mass forces. In the
mean time, the U.S. is hoping China and Taiwan will
develop business links to an extent that neither will
want to disrupt the trade relationship.
\_ I doubt China will try to invade Taiwan. Instead,
it may shoot a few missiles, send it's submarine
fleet around Taiwan and warn other countries to
refrain from sailing their ships there. This
would bring the US fleet near Taiwan, and then
who knows what will happen. US will likely be
pressuring Taiwan to backtrack on independence
\_ Fat chance. That would wreck our economy. If China
attacked Taiwan, we'd make a lot of noise and let them
burn.
mean time, the U.S. is hoping China and Taiwan will
develop business links to an extent that neither will
want to disrupt the trade relationship.
at that point. Die hard Taiwan independence
advocates will wish the posturing will escalate
into a war between US and prc.
\_ The PRC is a loooong way from even thinking about
being able to take on the US Navy. They might
sink a few ships but they'll lose *everything*
they've spent 20+ years building up in a few hours
and they know it. If it was otherwise they would
have attacked already.
\_ clueless one. the prc doesn't need to take
on the US Navy. All they need is to cut
off all trade with Taiwan and Taiwan is
economically dead.
\_ So is China. China wouldn't cut off it's
nose to spite their face. Don't call me
clueless until you've demonstrated superior
knowledge or ability. You've failed on both
counts thus far. China has only 2 options
to retake Taiwan. The Taiwanese vote to go
back which is less likely each day or they
invade.
\_ Can't you just accept that people like political
Communist Party, you should know that when they are being
quiet, that is when you should be REALLY worry about them.
be forced to do.
\_ nobody mentioned anything about "attack".
\_ It isn't even a choice. It's the minimal PRC would
be forced to do.
\_ "forced to do", hmmm.
\_ exactly. which part of it do you not understand?
\_ That's a lot of "if's". Taiwan will not declare independence;
rather, Chen will say it was always independent, so there was
nothing to declare anyway. The question you should be asking
is, what if Chen passes a new constitution, and that's a big
if, too.
\_ Chen will push and push, but PRC will finally draw a line,
and that's what I am referring to above. stop nitpicking,
and wasting words.
if, too. And if a new constitution were passed, I have a hard
time believing that China would follow up with what you said.
I would say this path would lead to war with the U.S., and
China wouldn't want to take that chance, since they know
they would be beat by the U.S., and they wouldn't want to
lose face in any withdrawal.
freedoms, people like personal freedoms,
they don't want the half-assed Hong Kong "Basic
Law" situation -- and they want anyone who would
take away those freedoms to go to hell?
Just ask all the KMT protesters (even though
they're all wrong).
\_ Taiwan already has political and personal
freedoms. Taiwan independence is a
possible option in theory. In reality
the cost is too high, especially
when Taiwan already has all the freedoms
under the current status quo.
\_ Except for the constant threat of Chinese
invasion, yeah, sort of.
\_ the problem has always been how to
deal with the threat. burying your
skull in the sand doesn't help.
\_ It isn't even a choice. It's the minimal PRC would
be forced to do.
\_ That's a lot of "if's". Taiwan will not declare independence;
rather, Chen will say it was always independent, so there was
nothing to declare anyway. The question you should be asking
is, what if Chen passes a new constitution, and that's a big
if, too. And if a new constitution were passed, I have a hard
time believing that China would follow up with what you said.
I would say this path would lead to war with the U.S., and
China wouldn't want to take that chance, since they know
they would be beat by the U.S., and they wouldn't want to
lose face in any withdrawal.
\_ chen can push and push, but prc will draw a line somewhere,
and then the above actions is the minimal that the prc
will do. It may be all at once or one step at a time
but it will go on until taiwan backs down. it doesn't
need to fire a shot, and taiwan's economy would be in
ruins. Is that a cost taiwan is willing to pay to go
from status quo (note: nobody is talking about being
subject to prc rule here) to independence? United
States has been protecting Taiwan for the past half
a century. Instead of being grateful, should Taiwan
insist on demanding that Americans spill blood for
them, moving in a direction that would be economically
devastating to Taiwan, China, US and all east asian
nations? President Bush has repeatedly pleaded with
Chen to tone down because Chen's actions are not in the
interest of the United States.
\_ It's just a matter of time. One day China will be
strong enough to go for it. Taiwan can't do a thing to
stop that. When that day comes the US can defend or not
defend Taiwan. If the US chooses to defend Taiwan then
pray the Chinese have underestimated US navy power. If
the US backs down it is the end of US super power status
and the start of another 50 year cold war the whole
world will suffer through.
\_ Last two posters, will you please speak in specifics?
"One day China will be strong enough to go for it".
I could just as easily say: One day China will
have a democratic revolution, and Taiwan will join
China's democracy once everything has settled down.
Both seem equally believable to me, especially since
China is *vastly* outclassed by U.S. naval and
air power, and the U.S. will make a good effort
to keep up its military superiority if China
advances far enough.
\_ Specifically, "go for it" = "invade". You could
just as easily say your butt is made of green
cheese (just like the moon), but it is not equally
likely. If you find the cheese theory and the
China invasion theory equally believable then I've
got a bridge in Florida to sell you. China doesnt
have to have a better navy/af. They only have to
be superior in the local region. If they can
pull a fast one and cripple local US navy forces
and put a few 10s of thousands of men on Taiwan
before US reinforcements can show up they've won.
There will be some bogus peace treaty signed and
Taiwan will vanish into the history books as a
minor blurb in some grey side panel box.
\_ Die hard Taiwan independence supporters doesn't
care whether China becomes democratic or not.
They want independence at all cost. They are
driven in a large part by past hatred rather
than a vision for the future.
\_ Quick question, what's wrong with wanting
independence for its own sake? -- ilyas
\_ Exactly. I'm with you on that one.
\_ look, if you can magically turn china
into a brunei, then go ahead with
independence with my full support.
Unlike freedoms or democracy, which
is by nature good, political
independence is neutral in itself.
Its merits is dependent on how well it
will work for the people in practice.
\_ China will never be militarily stronger than the
US. The problem is, it doesn't need to be. It
can totally screw up Taiwan's economic livelihood
without firing a shot. Stop trolling.
\_ Never? Ever? History is full of dead and
defeated super powers that would rule the world
*forever* or so they thought. No one on this
thread is trolling. Some of us simply disagree
with you. That is *not* trolling. You want
trolls? There are plenty of trolls on the other
motd threads right now, but not here.
\_ Except that the world is now just a big
village. And in a small contained
world, once one party attains the upper
hand, it will only get stronger and
stronger. |
| 2004/3/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12914 Activity:kinda low |
3/29 So I just got back from Taiwan. You know nearly all TV news stations
are controlled by the opposition party (the same coverage being beamed
into the Bay Area)? It's no wonder you have all these people
frothing at the mouth. I'm ashamed to think that most Taiwanese
people are stupid enough to believe the faked assassination theory.
They just can't believe that their party lost, and they're annoyed
at their stock holdings taking hits during Chen's presidency. Lien
beat his wife in grad school, his wife lies about it on TV, the
opposition party has suggested that Chen's wife's accident in 1985
was staged as well, and the opposition party is synonymous with
corruption, vote buying, and organized crime.
\_ huh? Lien is bad so Chen must be good? What is your superior
source of information? I'm an American, trying to follow this
in the English-speaking international press and I'm curious why
you're so sure that the conspiracy theories about Chen are
false, even if Lien is totally evil.
\_ Dude, where do I say "Lien is bad so Chen must be good"?
Re the assassination attempt, obGoogle for details, and think
about how it could have been staged, and everything necessary
for that. Anyway, obGoogle for these keywords in various
combinations: KMT controlled television stations vote-buying
organized crime 2/28. You will find links to books too.
Also, if you go to http://news.yahoo.com and search for
Taiwan, you will see a story on a U.S. investigation into the
shooting and the preliminary opinion.
\_ So I just got back from America. You know nearly all TV news
stations are controlled by the Democratic Party? It's no wonder
you have all these people frothing at the mouth. I'm ashamed to
think that most American people are stupid enough to believe the
Florida vote fixing theory. They just can't believe that their
party lost, and they're annoyed at their stock holdings taking
hits during the Dot Boom.
\_ People love a conspiracy. The most ridiculous the better and
more frothy the better.
\_ The KMT has controlled Taiwan ever since it was transferred
from Japanese control in 1945, until in 2000 when Chen won.
The KMT has > 50% ownership in the three major TV news stations.
As for Florida vote-fixing, it was decided by the Supreme Court,
which was a first for a Presidential election.
\_ I'm sure there'd be just as much outrage if the "opposition" party
(isn't that a nice name) won, given the number of pro-independent
Taiwan people around. People just hate any sense of impropriety
in important things like presidential elections
\_ If the KMT had won, the DPP would be complaining about KMT vote-
buying, which would be a respectable position. Now that the
DPP has won, the pro-KMT are complaining about a faked
assassination, which is pretty damned dumb position to take.
Like I said, it's the effect of KMT control of TV news, and
people being upset about their stock holdings and their candidate
suddenly losing when they thought they would win.
\_ it's not *only* the faked assassination, from what I've been
reading. I could care less about that part.
\_ So what do you care about?
\_ The KMT is now (inexplicably) for reunification with the PRC.
How is this strange reversal in their position being viewed,
and are they getting any help/support from the PRC?
\_ The KMT has *not* been for reunification with the PRC
as of the 2004 election year. This equals political
suicide.
\_ Okay, so the KMT has just been Independence-neutral?
Is that why the PRC has been favoring them?
\_ The KMT is for direct trade links / better business
with China, and has indicated more flexibility
on the independence issue than the DPP.
\_ Taiwan President Chen is like Chavez of Venezuela. He is a
demagogue. Very dangerous person. He likes to play divisive
politics pitching taiwanese against people who came from mainland
China in 1949 with the KMT. - tainan taiwanese
\_ The KMT is just plain bad. Refresh your memory on the 2/28
incident, and more recent stuff on vote-buying and organized
crime links. You may be watching too much KMT-controlled TV.
As for China, China is bad too, in case you need reminding.
\_ If Lien can't even out smart and out maneuver Chen in this election,
how can the public trust him in representing taiwan in negotiations
with PRC? Lien is responsible for the downfall of KMT.
A bian, A bian, Go Go Go. |
| 2004/3/21-22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:12784 Activity:high |
3/21 the motd stuff about Taiwan was pretty interesting,
which csua-Chinese-nationalist deleted it?
\_ No, some asshole deleted a part of the thread, so the entire thing
was nuked in retaliation. Nothing to do with Taiwan, it was
motd pettiness all the way.
\_ You named the wrong nationalist.
\_ [ chicom troll will be deleted on sight from now on. ]
\_ [ that and the broken english ]
\_ good. you've illustrated my point. DPP rigged the election
and anyone who doesn't agree is labeled as "chicom"
\_ Congratulations, junior, you have the power to label anyone
chicom and obliterate their posts. Power to you.
\_ I was the last one posting on that thread before it got killed by
someone who couldn't take criticism of DPP. I thought of restoring
it but then remembered it's just the motd. You can look it up in
the archive. |
| 2004/3/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12649 Activity:nil |
3/12 So Taiwan seems to be a pretty developed country, why is it still
considered a third world country?
\_ state your source.
\_ because they are not yet white and the quota for nonwhite is 1.
\_ idiot, why do you even bother wasting bits with your racist
hateful shit?
\_ did you really go to cal?
\_ because they don't have the political, economic, military, or
diplomatic power to be considered a major power.
\_ don't forget the congressional brawls.
\_ hey, we've got them too now! - random Korean guy
\_ Taiwan is *NOT* a developed region, not even close. For one thing
Taiwan is lack of rule of law. This is a major issue which most
American has overlooked because it is not as cachy as "democracy"
and "human right" etc et. Mind you that rule of law is the
fundamental building block of democratic government, and a democracy
without rule of law is actually in many ways more chaotic than
dictatorial form of government. Things you have taken for granted,
such as (relatively) independent judicial branch does not exist
here. Law enforcement is selective, tend to be charged with either
political motive or influenced by bribe.
Infrasture wise, when you step out of Taipei, you will find that
Taiwan is still pretty damn underdeveloped.
Even in Taipei City... give you an example, the waste water
treatment plant just went online recently. Can you imagine a city
of 1.7 million live on local septic tanks?
Lastly, Taiwan is not a country. The Constitution of Republic
of China state that Taiwan is part of China and the constitution
is designed for entire China in mind. Read them if you can actually
read Chinese.
\_ I like that argument for the annexation of Taiwan. "Our
Constitution says so!" If only the Germans had amended
their Constitution to say Austria, Poland, the Low Lands,
France, etc. were a part of the Reich, there wouldn't have been
a problem! And before you bring this up, most of those
territories (along with Spain) were in fact Hapsburg possessions,
and part of the Holy Roman Empire at one point or another.
-- ilyas
\_ Haha, there may be problems in his argument, but not the one
you are dwelling on. He was referrring the consistituion of
ROC (i.e. taiwan), which claims it to be part of China. You
made fun of yourself, again.
\_ Ok. Show me where:
http://www.taiwandocuments.org/constitution01.htm
-- ilyas
\_ I don't have to. I don't care about taiwan or china or
roman empire. I just saw you misread another post in
such an obvious way and went ahead pouring your vast
"intelligence." You should ask the guy to whom you
original replied to show that and thank me for helping
with your reading comprehension.
\_ I don't know. Are you sure you schooled me?
Taiwanese constitution doesn't say (or at least
I couldn't find anything about this) "Taiwan" is a
part of "China". It was merely a non-communist
constitution which was meant to apply to all of
china once the nationalists won. They never did,
and it applies to a small island instead. If you
really want your 10 motd points, you can have them,
however. -- ilyas
\_ The constitution specifically said that no one
allowed to alter the soverign territory of
the Republic of China, and at the time, the
constitution covers entire chinese mainland.
and this claus of contitution still exists.
- someone who actually can read chinese
and read the damn constitution, unlike ilyas
\_ It has nothing to do with what any constitution
says, but has everything to do with the carrier
we want to buy from ebay for you. I donate the
10 points toward its purchase.
\_ Tell you what. How about I spare you the
trouble of replying to me in the future. I am
nothing but a stuck-up, stupid, rabidly
libertarian, selfish, blind, easily offended,
unattractive, smelly, kooky, ridiculous,
no life loser with the attention span and
reading comprehension abilities of a 10
year old. I should fuck off and die like my
libertarian ilk, and keep my rabid
politico-sexual fantasies to myself. Can we
just agree on that? I default on all the motd
points. Any future argument between us you win
automatically. I accept any remotely clever
jokes you make at my expense in advance. I
surrender unconditionally. -- ilyas
\_ You're not allowed to. Sorry, but you lose
on losing, too. That's impressive!
\_ Yes, outside of the big cities, there are people living
at shocking levels of poverty. It's really quite
frightening, and the gov. seems uninterested in changing
anything.
\_ When I swang by the mainland China, I was shocked by the
difference in standard of living between the city and
the country side (and I didn't even wonder off to any
really poor country side neither). For a moment, I thought
Taiwan is much better in this regard. Then, I realize
that I *RARELY* step outside the Taipei city.
\_ just because you rarely see outside of taipei doesn't mean
taiwan is full of countrysides with poor rural bumpkins.
taiwan is much better in this regard.
\_ I don't dispute that. However, Taiwan is much smaller
and at least in my view should of done a better job
closing the gap between the country side and the city
than what is on the table right now.
\_ I am not very familiar with Taiwan's government system,
but are you sure about your claim that Taiwan does not
have an independent judiciary branch? Can you back it
up? I read a book or two by Li3 Ao2, and even under
KMT rule (under CCG, I presume?), which he sharply criticized,
he was able to win case after case in the courts. That
would be unthinkable in say, commie China.
\_ I am sure, because I live in TW right now and I have heard
enough share of horror stories, to a point that I had to
constantly remind myself that this is not the way things
suppose to work. The supreme court, for example, is extremely
weak and they are subject to president's political pressue.
This is one of the reason why nobody ever bother to ask the
supreme court to interpret the legality of laws and the
referendum conducted solely by the president right now.
The prosecutor general is essentially a servant of the
president. Those who doesn't cooperate, including judges
and people on the prosecution team, gets rotated out of the
trial while the trial is in progress.
\_ When I was in Singapore, I remember once where some international
organization reclassified Singapore as a developed nation.
The local government controlled media started trumpeting the
achievement all over the place. Then PM Lee Kuan Yew spoke up
and says Singapore is still a third world country. Lee Kuan
Yew is smart because one still gets some advantages (trade,
loan, etc.) by being a third world country in name. The
government controlled media then did a full reverse course
and started pumping out articles on why Singapore is not yet
a developed nation. It was kind of funny.
\_ Funny in the way that government controlled media is funny.
\_ pray tell us how else could it have been funny?
\_ exactly my point.
\_ Guys, you shouldn't compare everything with US. America is an
exceptional country, one which is founded on a sound principle
and evolve along a sound trajectory, has always had an unbiased
judiciary and a functining democracy. If you have to measure
against the US, then no other country is developed.
\_ blah blah america is bad, the worlds problems are all our fault
and if it wasnt for america the world would be utopia, so lets
just raise taxes, slash the military to ribbons and pay off the
rest of the world to like us because their liking is us is so
important as if international politics was a playground game |
| 2004/3/9-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12582 Activity:nil |
3/9 Read businessweek online issue on 'china.net'. Lots of stories on
internet activities in china. Anybody thinking of moving back to
china or taiwan to start companies? I've been thinking about going
back to TW to start an online gaming company. DSL penetration is
pretty high.
\_ let me know if you do please! -brain
\_ in the same vein (is there a latin term for that expression?),
does anyone have any Indian tech connections? I have an idea for
outsourcing (not HiTech related) to India but don't have the
connections.
\_ mail me. - rory
\_ "Online gaming company", you mean developing online games, or what?
\_ I think he means online sex chat
\_ No wonder DSL penetration is so important!
\_ I would think penetration not important for online sex.
\_ He said "gaming" which is gambling, not "game".
\_ An ex-boss went there 2 years ago. He has a company, website, etc,
but I don't think he has final product or beta customer 1.
\_ I wanna make the China version of Yahoo Maps / Mapquest.
Anyone here has any experience? eg. Worked at Navtech?
We can start with like Beijing and move on from there.
\_ Do people there really have a need for a service like that?
\_ I am sure there is. Hwy system and car ownership are
exploding. Biggest problem is probably that the road
system is changing and expanding too fast.
\_ Instead of driving direction from pt A to pt B, you can provide
transit directions from pt A to pt B. --- yuen
\_ In Taiwan right now, and talked to friends from the mainland
regards to LBS service. The main issue is that, unlike USA,
which essentially gave out GIS map of entire country for free
(TIGER db), in both mainland China and Taiwan, GIS Maps has to be
purchased. I am less familiar with what is going on in the
mainland, but in Taiwan, first, the government actually holds
copyright on these maps, secondly, the government impose a very
restrictive license on how the map can be used, and charge a
very handsome sum for "value-added redistribution."
Second issue is less difficult. There is simply no good Chinese
parser out there to tokenize addresses.
In taiwan, life get even more complicated because maps are
controlled by several different government agencies.
The main obsticle is that Chinese people on both strait treat
map as some sort of military secret, and very reluctant to
release them to civilian use.
If you are interested in this kind of things, email me, as I
am in the process of getting street maps of Taipei to play
with (which going to cost me $150 USD just for personal use).
-kngharv
\_ You mean in Taiwan tourists can't buy somthing like "Map of
Taipei" at a bookstore for a few bucks?
\_ I don't get the tokenize address part. Just let the
user enter the address as seperate fields. Take my
aunt's address (using commie romanization):
tai2 bei3 (taipei city), xin1 dian4 (subdivision), zhong1
zheng4 lu4 (road), wu3 hao4 (number)
If they write it all together, sure, but if it's entered
in seperate fields or with a delimiter, I don't see
what's the difficulty. |
| 2004/2/21-22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12344 Activity:nil |
2/21 For any of you folks following the Taiwan elections:
http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=7895
\_ time for mr chen to go.
\_ you one of those mainland freaks who thinks taiwan is part of
the mainland?
\_ no, I am a tainan taiwanese, what are you? |
| 2004/1/29-30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12009 Activity:high |
1/29 Boom! Whale explodes in Taiwan!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4096586
\_ "What a stinking mess" :) funny..
\_ "Once moved to a nearby nature preserve, the male specimen...
drew the attention of locals because of its large penis,
measured at some five feet...." Those wacky Taiwanese.
\_ "More than 100 Tainan city residents, mostly men, have
reportedly gone to see the corpse to 'experience' the
size of its penis," the newspaper reported.
\_ http://csua.org/u/5rs
\_ This is bizarre. - tainan taiwanese |
| 2003/12/9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:11368 Activity:low |
12/9 I can understand why china doesn't want taiwan to be independent.
But what i don't understand is why they're so worked up about
the proposed reffurendum in taiwan, given that for all practical
purposes taiwan *is* independent. is it just a pride thing?
if taiwan already has an independently elected government, an
independent armed forces and pays no taxes to the mainland
what the hell difference does it make to beijing what they
claim in some vote?
\_ http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&e=3&u=/ap/20031209/ap_on_re_as/us_china
Bush publicly opposes independence. So much for independence.
\_ Support for an Independent Taiwan was the only positive thing I
saw in the Bush Administration. And now that's gone, too.
Jayzus H. Keerist, can no one see what a whore this man is?
\_ one China one Nation.
\_ I read in "Guns Germs and Steel" that one factor that held up
China from developing into a world power pre-1492 was that it
was a single political entity at the whims of the emperor. i.e.
They had a world class fleet they could have used to dominate
with but they just decided to do away with it, as the result
of a political struggle between factions in the imperial court.
\_ I'm a little curious too. I think it's about saving face. Right
now they can say "We're China, and there is one rebellious province"
If there's too much talk of independance, it rubs their nose in the
fact that the civil war was really fought to an impasse, and the
communist revolutionaries didn't totally win.
\_ one word: communism. "Taiwan has all the goodies, and we want
them too."
\_ China is all about stability. They rule by the atmosphere of
"if you stick out, we'll stomp you". They'll roll over college
students with a tank, and have no problem shooting live rounds.
Do you have a problem? Then you belong in a Chinese prison for
20 years as a political prisoner.
If China lets Taiwan become independent, it fears that its own
citizens will get ideas.
\_ what do you think the US will do if our civil war didn't end
the way it did? Do you think if California decides to become
independent (I don't see why not since we are not getting any
fucking shit from the federal government), everything will
go smoothly? It's not about saving face. It's about national
unity, a concept you obviously don't understand. They wouldn't
have cared less if Taiwan is rich or poor.
\_ China *had* national unity before Mao.
\_ read a fucking history book.
\_ United Front
\_ What you're saying falls under what I wrote.
\_ Who's the douchey douchebag that keeps deleting this thread?
\_ Heh, I've only deleted it once. - troll-recognizer whose
comment got deleted
\_ it was not intended as a troll, it was intended to generate
interesting discussion, which it did(along with the usual
flames). go fuck yourself. -op
\_ Whatever. Delete me, I'll delete you.
\_ It's easy. There must be one great Communist Nation to combat the
evil greedy infidels of the Capitalistic BushReich! |
| 2003/11/19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Computer/Rants, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:29643 Activity:nil |
11/19 China to attack Taiwan: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031119/ap_on_re_as/china_taiwan_5 |
| 2003/11/16 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Recreation/Shopping] UID:11098 Activity:nil |
11/16 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/11/14/2003075781 Gigolo school raided by police. |
| 2003/10/21 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:29583 Activity:insanely high |
10/20 Informal troll:
1) Taiwan is a renegade of China and should be integrated into
the great China ASAP
2) Taiwan should be independent
3) Taiwan should restore the old Republic and reestablish
democracy in the mainland.
Vote now:
1: ..
\_ Which of you idiots is advocating the enslavement of
a country lucky enough to be free of a corrupt communist
regime, which gave the world such nice things as
Tienenmin (sp) Square?
2: .
3: ...
\_ Is this poll about what I want to happen, or what I think is
feasible without going to war, or what I think is most likely to
happen?
1: ..
\_ Which of you idiots is advocating the enslavement of
a country lucky enough to be free of a corrupt communist
regime, which gave the world such nice things as
Tienenmin (sp) Square?
\_ Tian An Men = Gate of Heavenly Peace.
2: .
3: ...
4: ..
\_ to OP: I presume you are a student from Taiwan who left
Taiwan long time ago. You might want to take a closer look
at Taiwan today and see how economically dependent it is
to the motherland. The high political charge/emotions lead
by President Lee no longer strike a chord to the majority of
people, as they are now plagued by unemployments. If you are
looking for stragetic independence, then, I can tell you that
it is impossible simply because Taiwan is 100 miles off the
coast of the mainland. If you are looking for economic
independence, well, President Lee tried to persuate business
communities invest in Indonisia and Cambodia instead in the past,
and I don't know if you realize how diseasterous it was.
If you are looking for political independence, well, Taiwan
has never being ruled by the CCP. What more do you want when
you are already extracting all the economic benefit of the
mainland while not
being rule by its draconian government? The smartest thing
Taiwan can do is simply keep it mouth shut and wait and see.
If the mainland turned out to be ok economically and politically,
then, what is wrong with return to the motherland? If mainland
imploded, then, you don't need even to do much to be independent.
\_ When I grew up in 1980 I was taught to fight the
communist and take back China. I even remember the
anti-communist songs we sang back elementary school
(starting in 3rd grade). It's pretty funny now that I
think about it. How could tiny little Taiwan fight the
communists and take back its motherland? Har har. Oh well.
-Taiwanese who grew up there in the 80s
\_ Yea, but at least Taiwan outlasted communism in
PRC, and is instrumental in prodding PRC towards
greedy capitalism. Unfortunately, Taiwan isn't
setting a very good example as a democracy, with
Lee and Chen playing divisive politics.
\_ It becomes a problem if there is a pro-Democracy
revolution in China. But the higher ups really will
try their best to prevent that from happening ...
\_ Improve English first lah. I presume you are from PRC?
\_ Taiwan will never become a part of China until China becomes a
democracy. This is very, very likely. No one wants a shooting
war. It's all posturing. What do I mean by posturing? Look
at all the votes for 3. This is a game mostly about China being
able to say it's boss -- stability is China's number one priority.
\_ About 4: I think it's possible, and you might see it in your
lifetime. Wait 20 years.
\_ 4 sounds good to me. I consider that a victory for
Taiwan - tainan taiwanese.
\_ and a victory for the united states, south korea, japan,
russia, one billion chinese, and basically everyone
else in the world except North Korea.
\_ don't forget those who want TI at all cost, and
perhaps some US right wingers. |
| 2003/9/29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:10358 Activity:moderate |
9/29 When we send something through the mail to another country, what
incentive do the other countries have to deliver it? In other
words, when we send domestic mail, we pay postage to the USPS,
but what happens with international mail? Do the countries
have some sort of agreement set up to pay each other?
\_ http://www.upu.int/index.html -John
\_ it took a little digging, but that site turned out to be
immensely useful. thanks. -!op
\_ URLp?
\_ yeah, could you please specify where you found the info?
At the top level, it's mostly fluff, and doesn't give
much insight...
\_ Ever hear of a faq? -nivra
http://www.upu.int/faq/en/index.html#19
\_ http://www.upu.int/members/en/members.html Funny. Taiwan
isn't listed as a member. How does mail get delivered there?
-nivra
\_ Magic fairy doves!
\_ Evil capitalist fairy doves
\_ Mail delivery has little to do with capitalism.
\_ Falun Gong couriers! |
| 2003/8/13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:29328 Activity:insanely high |
8/12 New Red Missile Armed With U.S. Technology
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962996/posts
\_ So are you really a Right Wing Kook or are you a liberal
who is trying to make the Right look bad by posting these
nutty Right Wing conspiracy posts?
\_ So its nutty to post excerpts from DOD papers?
Interesting.
\_ It is *seriously* nutty to think that that diatribe
was a DoD paper. Do you know what "snip" means?
\_ Stop selling us poor Taiwanese outdated Kidd class
destroyers at exorbitant prices. Tell president
Bush to sell us some Aegis destroyers, so we can
help US fight PRC to the last Taiwanese.
\_ I wish the administration would.
\_ You don't live in Taiwan, I am. I can tell you straight
out that people 1/4 of people in Taiwan probably will
welcome the PLA with open arm. 1/2 of them won't care.
Most, and I mean *MOST* of established Taiwan company
will move their headquarter to Shanghai or Beijing.
The rest of so called pro-Taiwan-Independent fanatic will
run for their lives. Only HANDFUL of people will be
fight until the bitter end.
If you TRUELY care about Taiwan's self termination, then,
You should first cut the dependence on all foreign power,
including USA, including Japan. Then, You should move your
sorry ass to this island and *YOU* should fight to the last
blood. Don't ask *OTHER* people to sacrafise their lives
for *YOUR* political ideology.
\_ You must be commie idiot. No Taiwanese, blue green or
red, would welcome PLA, and the only reason Taiwan is dependent
on foreign power is because PRC is threatening Taiwan.
Besides what you call "dependence" is in fact a symbiotic
relationship.
\_ The 3rd color is Yellow, get your politic straight.
Taiwan can never achieve self termination if it depends
upon foreign power. Further, situation in Taiwan is
complicated. The biggest threat from PRC is *NOT*
its 2 million strong army nor its ballistic missles.
Rather, it's their massive cheap labors *AND* fast
rising companies which compete in the same turf as
Taiwan's traditional stronghold. Further, rather you
like it or not, Taiwan's economy is depend upon the
mainland. That is why with exception of few fanatic
like you, most of people in Taiwan see mainland more
of an opportunity than threat. |
| 2003/8/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:29260 Activity:nil |
8/6 > ping http://journalism.berkeley.edu ping: cannot resolve http://journalism.berkeley.edu: Unknown host Some people should not be allowed near the DNS zone files. \_ Journalism is practiced at Cal?? \_ Only the yellow kind. \_ Isn't that why everything is named after Hearst? \_ No. Everything is named after Heart because their family donated a shitload of money without which Berkeley wouldn't exist as it does today if at all. \_ William and Phoebe are nice people, but who the heck is Tan Kah Kee? |
| 2003/7/31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:29189 Activity:very high |
7/30 Pentagon: China Aiming Missiles at Taiwan
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20030730/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_china_military_2
\_ China has been aiming missiles at Taiwan since they got their first
missile. This isn't news. It also isn't news that they're going
to invade as soon as they think they can pull it off.
\_ China won't invade. They'll consider it if Taiwan has a
sovereignty referendum. The U.S. will prevent Taiwan from doing
that. The U.S. and China both prefer the status quo.
\_ Put another democrat in office and they will if they feel they
have the military might to do it. China sure as hell does not
prefer the status quo. It's a humiliation and international
embarassment.
\_ Laughably untrue. PRC gets a lot of money in transfers
from Taiwan. It's not worth their while to kill the
goose that lays the golden egg. If the Brits hadn't
made their silly 99-year lease deal, PRC would not have
annexed Hong Kong either, for the same reasons. Let's
face it: PRC puts on a good show of pushing a state-run
economy, but they prefer the riches that capitalist
throat-cutting brings in.
\_ you have no clue don't you?
\_ contrary to what you may think, the Brits had no
choice. Just like how they lost most of their
\_ evil is what evil speaks.
colonies.
\_ those f***ing brits have yet to paid for their
crime for colonizing half of the globe. fuck them!
\_ IMO, Taiwan is the rebellious child that China can
smack around when it gets tired of anti-U.S. propaganda.
I don't see the Taiwan issue as very humiliating for China,
especially when so many companies continue to move
operations from Taiwan to China.
\_ agree, and I am from Taiwan.
\_ For the cheap labor, not their technical expertise or
management ability. The mainland is being used as the
third world country that it is.
\_ how do you breathe with your head in the sand?
don't you get sand in your snorkel?
\_ I'm just waiting for their brand spanking new dam
to break, killing millions (they've already been
reports of shoddy worksmanship on the project)
\_ evil is what evil speaks. -dubya
\_ you know, you really should shut up or you really
expose your ignorance on this subject. The
mainland has techno-superiority over Taiwan
in many ways.
\_ In exactly what way did I imply any techno
comparison of China with Taiwan? Maybe you
should try rereading my post before arguing
with a point that is nonexistent.
\_ insufficient heavy lift/transport to hold the island b4
forces from the 7th fleet repel the invasion
\_ I heard even Australian navy can beat PRC navy.
\_ you've heard many things my child.
\_ Actually the guy is right. PRC navy is inferior
to Australia's. They only have a chance if it
is close to China's coast such that China's
air force and land-based missiles can play
a role.
\_ so how exactly is B*** admin going to hype
up the China threat thing again?? |
| 2003/5/19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:28483 Activity:high 75%like:28476 |
5/18 Fighting Censorship: Thread Restored
Taiwan has been accepted into WHO as an "Health Entity."
Congrats Taiwan!
\_ That's like the WHO accepting Alabama. Taiwan is an illegal
entity that is an indivisible part of the PRC.
\_ ignore those Taiwan's child play. People in Taiwan are dying,
Ministry of Health is stockpiling tens of million of N95
masks and refused to distributed to hospitals. Infection is
out of control as one hospital after another show cases of
cross-infection. Instead of trying to fix the disease,
Taiwan is playing politics... The really funny part is,
Taiwan is ALREADY in WHO (as Province of China). I really
don't know what is the big fuss is all about.
-- reporting from Taiwan
\_ If you really don't know what the fuss is about, then
you need to brush up on your history. Cf. Chiang-Kai
Sheck, Kuomintang, the airlift from the mainland after
WW2, and recent election of a pro-independence President.
\_ I didn't know there were any mainlanders here. I thought most
of the ethnic chinese here were from Taiwan, HK, or SG.
Identify yourself!
\_ What is SG?
\_ Singapore, also known as Singapura. Singa is from
Singh, an Indian / Sikh word meaning "lion".
Thus Singaore is also known as "lion city".
\_ The US is an illegal entity that is an indivisible part of
the British Crown.
\_ British Crown recognized US's independence long ago.
Pull your head out of your ass.
\_ if it was indivisible it couldn't have been divided.
\_ Your family will be sent a bill for the bullet.
\_ Nah, Taiwan declared independence and the establishment of
declaration of independence
the Taiwan Democratic Republic in 1895.
\_ which is as legitimate as the Manchuguo in North East China
\_ People of Taiwan were betrayed and disowned by
China to the Japanese in 1895. Of course the
declaration of independence is legitimate, or
are you saying Taiwan should belong to Japan?
\_ the independence was out of desperation as China
signed the shameful treaty, which 1. no one ever
recognized, and 2. if you ever read history, people
fought bravely resist Japanese's rule. It caused
so much casuaty that Japan resort using naval
bombardment to whipe out the resistance; a
Sharp contrast of what people in Taiwan is doing
today, which trying hard kissing USA's butt-hole
hoping US will do something for your cause. And
if you look at USA's track record, you would know
that Taiwan is just a bargain chip which USA will
give up if China is willing to pay the price.
\_ After betraying and disowning Taiwan for
50 years, Chinese came to Taiwan and promptly
butchered tens of thousands of Taiwanese
in 1947. Furthermore, in the following
decades, China butchered tens of millions of
its own people. Sorry, but the people of
Taiwan has every right to declare independence.
We don't owe China anything. US is a friend
and trading partner of Taiwan. No US
administration would survive the loss of
Taiwan to a PRC invasion. I am personally
not an advocate for Taiwan independence
because I still have some affinity for
China, and hope that it would continue to
change for the better, but please don't
give me bullshit like "Taiwan ... is an
indivisible part of the PRC".
\_ Taiwan is as valuable to the US imperialism as Israel. Just as
Israel distablizes the middle-east, Taiwan distablizes the
Far East.
\_ Hegemon! The DNC fax said "Hegemon!" We don't use "Imperialism"
anymore, idiot! That was last year! Fucking aye! Get it
together!
\_ destabilize .. learn engrish first lah. without taiwan and
US investments, prc still in stone age.
\_ Stability? Yes, nothing should change. Bad things such as the
nightmare that is the Arab controlled middle east should always
be that way because... well.. uhm... it's stable! Yeah, stable!
That's the ticket! I'm glad you're here on the motd and not
the State Department where you might be doing real harm to the
country and maybe the world.
\_ I claim legal dictatorship over the entire planet. You are
all my property. Start obeying my commands at once or I will
demand that the WHO eject you. --SupremeDictatorForLife
\_ Infidel! There is one true ruler. All Hail Joe!! Hail Joe!!!
http://members.tripod.com/mightyjoe/news.html
be sure to watch the "call to action" video.
\_ I think Belgium has a pre-existing claim of planetary wide
control over the world's legal system. |
| 2003/5/18-19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:28476 Activity:insanely high 75%like:28483 |
5/18 Taiwan has been accepted into WHO as an "Health Entity."
Congrats Taiwan!
\_ That's like the WHO accepting Alabama. Taiwan is an illegal
entity that is an indivisible part of the PRC.
\_ ignore those Taiwan's child play. People in Taiwan are dying,
Ministry of Health is stockpiling tens of million of N95
masks and refused to distributed to hospitals. Infection is
out of control as one hospital after another show cases of
cross-infection. Instead of trying to fix the disease,
Singh, an Indian / Sikh last name meaning "lion".
Taiwan is playing politics... The really funny part is,
Taiwan is ALREADY in WHO (as Province of China). I really
don't know what is the big fuss is all about.
-- reporting from Taiwan
\_ I didn't know there were any mainlanders here. I thought most
of the ethnic chinese here were from Taiwan, HK, or SG.
Identify yourself!
\_ What is SG?
\_ Singapore, also known as Singapura. Singa is from
Singh, an Indian / Sikh word meaning "lion".
Thus Singaore is also known as "lion city".
\_ from Taiwan. Don't like Communist government as much as
many of those from the mainland, but strongly believe
Taiwan is as inseperatable as California part of USA.
\_ The US is an illegal entity that is an indivisible part of
the British Crown.
\_ British Crown recognized US's independence long ago.
Pull your head out of your ass.
\_ if it was indivisible it couldn't have been divided.
\_ Nah, Taiwan declared independence and the establishment of
the Taiwan Democratic Republic in 1895.
\_ which is as legitimate as the Manchuguo in North East China
\_ Taiwan is as valuable to the US imperialism as Israel. Just as
Israel distablizes the middle-east, Taiwan distablizes the
Far East.
\_ destabilize .. learn engrish first lah. without taiwan and
US investments, prc still in stone age.
\_ I claim legal dictatorship over the entire planet. You are
all my property. Start obeying my commands at once or I will
demand that the WHO eject you. --SupremeDictatorForLife
\_ Infidel! There is one true ruler. All Hail Joe!! Hail Joe!!!
http://members.tripod.com/mightyjoe/news.html
be sure to watch the "call to action" video. |
| 2003/5/11-12 [Health/Disease/General, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:28404 Activity:high |
5/11 Please support Taiwan's bid to enter WHO.
\_ Idoit. Taiwan is already in th WHO... as province of China.
People are dying here, health infrascture is over-burdened
to the point of near collapsing. Instead of trying to advance
your political agenda, why don't you try to do something useful,
such as mail medical supplies (masks, thermometers) to the island,
and /or write a letter to the central government tto pressure them
to take some effective measures to contain the spread of disease,
however draconian it might be. While you at it, why don't you
pressure the government to allow journalist to visit the
infected areas of the city. The government is supressing the
actual severity of the disease right now.
\_ Given the stand-up job the PRC's done with SARS so far, it's
in Taiwan's best interest to deal directly with the WHO-- AND
get donations of medical supplies. Don't pretend this is an
either-or situation.
\_ If you looked carefuly, Taiwan has been dealing with
WHO directly. And I am in Taiwan right now, I can tell you
not WHO, not GOD, but only Taiwan itself can contain the
disease. All WHO can do is give out actuate information
and suggestion on what they should of done. And if you
looked at how other country / region have successfully
dealing with disease: Singapore, Beijing, Vietnam, Hong
Kong, all of them have taken draconian measures to limit
the movement of people. That is what Taiwan need
right now. Enter WHO as a soverign nation is a political
issue, and I can tell you right now because the
Administration in Taiwan is doing the samething you are
trying to do, i.e. advance Taiwan's political agenda
instead of dealing with the disease directly, people here
are suffering.
\_ Nothing you have said invalidates the induction of
Taiwan into the WHO. I agree with you that the powers
that be in Taiwan need to focus more on helping their
people, but surely they have the resources to address
both agendae.
\_ given its size, its population, and how backward their
medical infrastructure, China is doing a relatively good
job compare with Taiwan.
\_ Doesn't Taiwan not recognize itself as a province of China?
\_ this would be a wonderful time for the long lost
province and the mother country to MERGE and form
a superpowered new SARS hybrid and kill each other.
\_ based upon its constitution, yes.
\_ Is there really a hope that a bunch of anti-social Berkeley CS
geeks could make a difference though?
\_ Do what geeks always do: bitch and moan and maybe fire off an
email, pat yourself on the back for thinking globablly, acting
locally and forget about it until next time a fix of self-
righteousness is needed. |
| 2002/8/7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:25512 Activity:nil |
8/7 Poll:
Independent Taiwan: .
One China, one nation:
How about One China Under Taiwan: .
Asian chicks are hot: .. |
| 2001/8/4-5 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Industry/Jobs, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:22001 Activity:insanely high |
8/4 In general, do people find a difference working for
managers with different racial background? Does the
cultural/racial background of your supervisor affect
how the team is run?
\_ yes. When i'm managed by a team of monkeys, they seem to just
confuse techonolical facts by screaming loudly at meetings and
throwing around feces. Oh wait.. I guess there's not much diff.
\_ fuck you, dude. you need to get a clue.
\_ Relax the head. It is a legitimate question, even if it's
gotten your PC engine revving. Different ethnicities often
as fast as the blacks, are generally very quite, polite and
translate into different cultural backgrounds, and thus, varying
ways of dealing with other people, or with work, with hierarchy,
etc. -John
\_ yes, I find that generally my black managers are very loud
and crass... and my asian managers, though not able to run
as fast as the blacks, are generally very quiet, polite and
intelligent.
\_ how true it is.
\_ They're also astonishingly good at math.
\_ They also frown upon people who arrive after 8 AM and
leave before 8 PM and take an hour for lunch.
\_ I find differences in all managers, regardless of race. I've
had six managers, all caucasian, and they ranged from senile
to intelligent, from hands-on to "I dunno what a function is",
from socialable to introverted.
\_ I think culture plays such a big role here. I've had Caucasian
mgrs who are just absolutely great; maybe because they have such
a cheerful personality that you can get along with them like
buddies and they understand young people. Then I've also had a
Taiwanese manager who's old-school who grunt when you leave work
before 7 PM, who keep on raising the bar on you and so demanding
that they really don't give a shit about your life outside work.
No stereotype here, but old school hard working managers often
expect their subordinates to do the same, regardless of race -jthoms
\_ I've worked for asian, indian and caucasian managers and
I have to say that the caucasian managers were the best
of the bunch. They knew where their technical limits were
and they knew how to deal with personality problems and
how to defend thier team in meetings with higher ups.
I recieved larger option grants, bigger bonuses and better
equipment as rewards for a job well done under caucasian
managers than under the others. Asian and Indian managers
never wanted to reward or promote anyone, they were just
interested in covering thier own ass and getting as much
out of you for as little pay as possible.
The asian and indian managers never realized that if
you like the company and the work you don't have to be
forced to show up and work.
\_ it's the horrid "Thou shalt suffer as I have suffered."
philosophy. Very stupid. Very "lets reinvent the wheel".
\_ They may influence how the team itself is built.
I watch a manager in a "neighbouring" department hire
programmers.... and strangely enough, 3 out of the 4 new
hires all spoke cantonese. Pure coincidence that she was
a cantonese-speaking chinese woman, eh?
\_ not to stereotype or anything, but I hate Cantonese
workers. They have a high tendency to talk loudly and have
a high tendency to talk about stock market, BMW, dim-sum,
\_ Best manager I ever had was a tall slender blonde woman --asian guy
so on and so forth. And they rarely mix well (read-- no
assimilation) with other Asian race. Say no to Cantonese,
Once had a Taiwanese manager and he was cool, confident and
good jokes, never grunted, probably atypical. --asian guy
the bane and the embarrasement of the Chinese race.
\_ Where is cantonese spoken? Mainland? Taiwan? HK?
\_ guang dong provence, which is where guang zhou is.
guang zhou == canton
\_ the ones you see here are usually from Hong Kong.
\_ wtf are you talking about? embarrassment of the Chinese
race? I find southerners (cantonese) to be more friendly
and easy-going than stuck-up northerners. northern food
sucks too. (and before you accuse me of being biased, one
of my parents is from the the north, and the other is
from the south.)
\_ I don't know what you mean about rarely mixing well.
Since most Cantonese had British education, their
English is usually pretty damn good. I don't know what
the hell you mean about not mixxing well with other Asian
races. Who DOES mix well, in Asia?
Yes, they tend to be on the materialistic side, but
seriously, how many in the bay area are not? I can not
see how they would be any worse than say the Taiwanese.
\_ This is common among all races. Indians hire indians,
Vietnamese hire vietnamese. This behavior is especially
promoted by referal bonuses. If anything, my impression
was that the Cantonese seem the most equal opportunity
among the Asians.
\_ There are two type of indians, one who will hire only
other indians and the other who will hire anyone other
that indian. I have not found this phenomenon in other
cultures (except perhaps caucasian).
Anyway, as an Indian I tend to be reluctant to hire
other indians because I don't trust them to do a good
job.
\_ Best manager I ever had was a tall slender blonde woman -- best
support, best pay and bonuses and review and had sense of humor.
Once had a Taiwanese manager and he was cool, confident, told
good jokes, never grunted, probably atypical. Had 3 male
white bosses, all fine. Differences may be due to culture
or background or the fact that white folks are used to being
the rulers in command of their subordinates in American society
whereas others are just struggling with no role models.
Certainly, being a manager involves people-skills and being with
people of like mind and background helps smooth things, but that
does not mean it's anything more than a minor issues. You may even
differences will help the project. And to be a good, valuable worker
or manager nowadays, esp. with global corporations and customers,
you need to learn to work w/ others. --asian guy
\_ I'd love a tall, slender blonde woman too, but for
reasons other than you said...
\_ is that you, my little lollipop. |
| 2001/4/13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:20970 Activity:high |
4/13 I've been reading some articles and papers about foreign
policy and I ran across the assertion that Taiwan and HK
have both invested heavily in the Mainland despite political
rehtoric that denounces Communism etc. It seems that by
purchasing HK and Taiwan goods we are indirectly helping
the Mainland.
I've been a long time supporter of arming Taiwan and HK,
but given that they seem to care more for $s than freedom
I'm revaluating that policy. Continuing to arm Taiwan without
having them sever ties with communist china seems to be
a bad policy. Perhaps we should deny them arms and support
until they cut of thier economic ties with the Mainland.
\_ You haven't been reading the right articles if you think arming
HK is American policy. As someone who *is* in favor of arming
Taiwan, I'd prefer this sort of ignorant ranting troll didn't
post. OTOH, you may be well meaning and just ignorant, in which
case I suggest you check out HK's current status vis-a-vis the
mainland and come back to talk about arming HK.
\_ what's this about arming HK? isn't HK owned by China?
you wanted to arm China? or is this a joke i don't get?
\_ Merely a rant by someone ignorant and stupid.
Pay no mind.
\_ Mind unpaid. Wonder when it will be deleted.
\_ It's anti-communist/left but clearly confused and stupid.
At best this is a strawman from the left. I think this
will stay posted all day long. A strong pro-Taiwan post
would be gone in minutes. Standard motd censorship policy.
\_ Get the fuck over yourself. If you're that concerned
about being heard, don't use the fucking motd as your
stump. |
| 2001/1/29-31 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:20463 Activity:high |
1/29 How come whenever a big earthquake happens in a country, it always
takes several days before other countries start to send rescue teams
to help out? (Turkey, Taiwan, India, ...) Don't they realize most of
the trapped would be dead by then?
\_ Because they don't have rescue teams sitting around doing nothing
but waiting to leave the instant a quake hits. Because it takes
12-24 hours to fly to the other side of the world. Because going
\_ Uh. Nations cannot be affluent. Citizens can be affluent.
\_ Uh. Both can.
\_ Uh, no bitch.
\_ Win a lot of arguments?
\_ The wester dictionary uses it in the example:
<our affluent society>
in before the local government asks for help is an act of war.
Because you just don't have the brain cells to comprehend.
\_ But somehow those rescue teams have time to talk to the press
and post for pictures.
and pose for pictures.
\_ Strangely, the United States and Japan (two of the more
affluent nations in the world) sent a whopping $1 million
to help out in the disaster.
\_ ah yes, and Bill Gates who is worth over 60 billion dollars
donates a WHOPPING 1 million dollar to the AIDs research,
paid over a period of 3 years. What a philanthropist he is.
\- maybe he thinks there are bigger priorities than
AIDS research ... which is after all quite heavily funded
by the US govt. --psb
\_ Bill donates quite a bit more to other causes and has
said he is leaving most of his fortune to charity when
he dies, not his kids.
\_ Bill Gates owes you nothing.
\_ I thought it was 100 million and I agree he owes you
nothing.
\_ he owes me the $300 he grifted on the POS products
he sold me in the last 2 decades (plus tax and
compounding interest in the Nasdaq). In total,
he owes me several thousand dollars.
\_ I wasn't aware that the Nasdaq paid compounding
interest. Maybe you would have bought high
and sold low....
\_ No, those are RELIEF planes not a military invasion! Really!
\_ "We'd like you to help, but the runways are sorta broken to
pieces right now.... Please don't try to land, our hospital
space is overcommitted already."
\_ "...so maybe you could just sorta' crash your planes in some
open space somewhere near the epicenter, and we can, you know,
salvage what we need from the wreckage..." |
| 2001/1/1-3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:20209 Activity:nil |
1/1 Does anyone know where the Mandarin version of south park would be
available(given that I don't live in Taiwan)?
\_ in taiwan |
| 1999/5/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:15728 Activity:high |
4/30 CIH author In-Hao Chen (initial CIH if last initial first) arrested
in Taiwan.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/zdnet/story.html?s=n/zdnet/technology/19990429/19990429303
What's funny is that he had already warned fellow students not to
spread the virus last year, and the university already knew what he
did and gave him a demerit. -- yuen |
| 12/26 |