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2013/12/13-2014/2/5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:54757 Activity:nil
        Why I love PHP.

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        \_ I think I just did.  Receipt please?
2013/4/15-5/18 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:54655 Activity:nil
        linode hacked. Change your credit cards if you use them.
2017/08/21 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2012/4/23-6/1 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:54368 Activity:nil
4/23    PHP sucks
2011/2/22-4/20 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:54046 Activity:nil
2/22    Any chance of getting up to date again?
        It was nice reading motd from gnus without sshing/using a browser.
        \_ The maintenance of is completely independent from CSUA. I
           cannot recall the CSUA being in any way involved in its operation for
           at least the past five years (which is the earliest possible time for
           me to have been aware of such involvement, if it existed). I suggest
           contacting the maintainer (whoever it is) directly. --toulouse
           cannot recall the CSUA being in any way involved in its operation
           for at least the past five years (which is the earliest possible
           time for me to have been aware of such involvement, if it existed).
           I suggest contacting the maintainer (whoever it is) directly.
        \_ ah crap, I haven't looked at it in ages. I'm surprised it's still
           running. Why aren't you guys using Quora anyways? Alright I'll
           take a look at the feed later today.                 -kchang 220223
           \_ Well it seems to be working again, thanks.
2010/11/21-2011/1/13 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:53988 Activity:moderate
11/21   Lifehacker's recommending Dreamhost as a personal web hosting service.
        Apart from csua, who do you guys use? --erikred
        \_ What do you want to use it for? Do you need CGI or PHP?  My
           brother worked for Dreamhost and said they are unethical. In
           fact, he sued them. This refers to their treatment of customers
           and employees both. I don't know who  or what "Lifehacker" is,
           but I'd feel uncomfortable using Dreamhost.
           \_ PHP, CGI, MySQL., subsidiary of Gizmodo. Wow,
              I'm sorry to hear about your brother. Was it terrible customer
              service or selling personal info or what?
           \_ Did he win the lawsuit?
           If you don't use it a lot, it's a dream. If you do, then
           Dreamhost = Nightmarehost (throttle, inactivation, etc)
2010/8/8-9/7 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:53914 Activity:nil
8/8     Trying to make a list of interesting features languages have
        touted as this whole PL field comes around, trying to see if they
        have basis in the culture of the time: feel free to add some/dispute
        1970 C, "portability"
        1980 C++, classes, oop, iterators, streams, functors, templates
             expert systems
        1990 Java, introspection, garbage collection, good threading model
             CORBA -- collosal failure. RMI nice and light.
             neural nets
        2000 CGI hacks. PHP and Perl hacks. Bad post dot-com crap
             programming (lots of disposable UI code).
             organic evolvers
             - PHP, javascript, flash (ha)
             \_ Do you guys remember at some point they started to use TCPIP
                over localhost to do IPC? I think this was around this time,
                also at the same time people started to make everything MVC
                I remember when say old apps were suddenly split into server
                and client component (where client was the webbrowser) because
                "it was easy and quick to design a UI on the browser" tho
                I think this died out.
             \_ Patterns started to become big.
        2010 Slow language fast prototyping scripting. Javascript,
             Ruby on Rails, Python. Use of NoSQL. Protocol buffer.
             \_ This helps chip companies sell faster and bigger chips.  What a
             Cloud Computing
             Death of AI
2010/1/25-2/8 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:53664 Activity:nil
        Old story from 2000 but goodie. PKWare/Zip Phil Katz's death.
        \_ Now that technology is mainstream, the culture seems to lack the
           kind of bright but socially maladapted kids like Katz and Reiser
           (not to mention rms and various others) who we knew in the late
           80s/early 90s.  Where are those kids now?  -tom
           \_ They get shipped to 'boarding school' reeducation camps and
              have the programming meme beat out of them.
           \_ Doped up on Ritalin or Prozac.
           \_ adjusted fine and well to <Elitist Jerks> guild on WoW.  I'm
              not even making that name up.
2009/8/6-14 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:53247 Activity:nil
8/5     kchang says: sorry, in an attempt to fix Atom bugs, the unique ID (<id>) of
        the CSUA MOTD feed started to change every day (the datestamp moves),
        thus a lot of readers think all the threads are unique. I've fixed it
        so that the unique ID is constant so you guys don't get every single
        old entry from previous dates. Sorry about innundating your reader
        with a bunch of old entries. PS if you use RSS/Atom reader, you
        can add the CSUA MOTD feed here:
        \_ what was broken in the first place?
           \_ Misha Dynin pointed me to a feedvalidator and pointed out
              errors in the <id> format which I fixed:
2009/8/3-11 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:53231 Activity:moderate
8/1     Where's the place people go for free webspace these days?  Helping
        my sis's  kid learn how to set up html/php/some minor javascript.
        \_ not geocities:
        \_ why are there 2987394872 places offering free blog space but
           not alot offering free webspace like before.
        \_ Throw $10 at a <DEAD><DEAD> site - it'll last a few months, and
           the site does a damn good job.
        \_ Throw $10 at a <DEAD><DEAD> site - it'll last a few months,
           and the site does a damn good job.
           \_ $10 is more than $10 in the time it takes for me to fill out
              all that online bs.  I want the kid to be able to do it.
              i am silicon valley programmer, my time is like $120/hr man.
              \_ Just get them a CSUA account.
                 \_ she's a bit far from college, by that time i would hope
                    she's progressed from web pages and computers to do
                    interesting stuff to actually get an education, like
                    doubling in english and sociology.
              \_ You've already spent more than $10 writing a reply. Be a man.
                 Besides, this will teach them SSH and shit. It'll be good for
        \_ ?
2009/5/12-20 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:52985 Activity:nil
5/12    What's the going rate these days for a CS summer intern doing some PHP
        and MYSQL work on a web app? Doesn't really have to be that particular,
        but that's just an example of what we're doing. Dog food and scraps
        doesn't count as fair pay.
        \_ My company is paying $0/hr, while my friend's company is paying
           \_ That's less than it was 10 years ago. Sucks.
        \_ Interns aren't paid in most industries. Why isn't that true in
           CS? (Not that I'm complaining, having made a few dollars myself
           as an intern.)
           \_ Supply and demand.
           \_ Most engineering interns get paid. MBA interns generally get
              paid. Also, undergrad business interns in accounting, consulting,
              banking, etc. Supply and demand is the answer but your premise
              was not true.
2009/5/6-14 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:52961 Activity:kinda low
5/6     I'm sure you've seen web sites that distribute software by making
        a user fill out a form and then e-mailing the user a randomly
        generate link to the software that works just once. What software
        is used to do this? I'd like to distribute software in such a way.
        \_ "Software"?  What web server/web application environment
           are you using?
           \_ Yes, software. Like let's say I have a software package I am
              distributing and it's a tar.gz. Right now people just
              download it, but I'd like to use one of these more
              sophisticated systems to track who downloads it and give
              them a link that works just once. I can use whatever web
              server or environment will do the job.
        \_ Uck.  Those types of links suck.  Please don't.
           \_ What sucks about it? I never had any issues with these. It is
              not acceptable to publish a publically accessible link, so
              what do you suggest instead?
        \_ I've never downloaded softward this way, but I have downloaded
           a secured copy of my tax return from my CPA this way.  They use
           something from LeapFILE.   -- yuen
           \_ I'll look into it, thanks. Any other suggestions? I am surprised
              most of you have never dealt with this. It's really common
              when downloading commercial software like compilers and such.
              \_ It's something I could build in an afternoon, and by
                 doing it myself it would be a lot easier to integrate with
                 all my existing deployments.  Sometimes it's just easier to
                 write it yourself.
                 \_ It's usually a lot more trouble to write it yourself.
                    Then you get to maintain it, too. These hacks are
                    always simple upfront and evolve into headaches later.
                    Seems a lot of people use PHP + MySQL for this and
                    continually reinvent the wheel, which I think is silly. A
                    perl module sounds like a good idea. It's also a lot of
                    baggage for something so simple. I need to install a
                    *database* and a scripting language just for this? Just
                    installing PHP will probably get me hacked.
                    \_ Gee, you already have a scripting language, it's
                       called perl.  You are going to need a database of some
                       sort no matter what.  (It doesn't need to be mysql
                       or a relational database, but you are going to need
                       some sort of data store.)  A perl module doesn't make
                       sense.  If (token in store) then (remove token and
                       serve application).  How hard is that to write?
                       \_ perl module makes a lot more sense than PHP to me.
                          You also don't really need a database of any kind.
                          Why for? You can do fancier things with a DB,
                          but it's not really needed. All you need is to
                          be able to do is generate a random URL and keep some
                          counters. It's not a matter of "how hard is that
                          to write" as it is that I'd rather spend $50 for
                          an app to do this than spend $100/hour for a
                          developer to write and maintain this, even if he
                          spends just 10 hours/year on it.
                          \_ Because you are forgetting the time to
                             install/set up the damn app in the first place.
                             That takes time too.
                             \_ Yes and it will have to be setup and installed
                                no matter if I write it or buy it. So that's a
              \_ curious, why go to the trouble?  What's to stop someone from
                 replublishing the software on their torrent site of choice,
                 unless you're also watermarking the software image, ni effect
                 customizing the copy for the downloader ?
                 \_ CYA. If someone else publishes it then they are the ones
                    that will go to jail. Whereas, if I publish it to the
                    world then it will be me in jail.
                 \_ There's a legal aspect to it. If I have a one-time link,
                    I can make sure you only get the software after you've
                    agreed to my license agreement. If you can download the
                    software without clicking through the license, you can
                    argue that you're not bound by the license.
                 \_ You might also want to avoid people being able to
                    "deep link" to the software, thereby depriving you of
                    ad revenue. The place I work for is in this situation.
                 \_ He wants to collect email addresses.
2008/12/15-28 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:52250 Activity:nil
12/15   who really is
        \_ "This is the homepage of Marc Liyanage."
           \_ isn't that the php maintainer?
           \_ known terrorist
        \_ just compile your php already, paolo
2008/10/14-20 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:51527 Activity:nil
10/14   2 apache 2.0.52 servers running on Linux boxes.  Identical httpd.conf
        files (except for ServerName).  But on one, if a CGI script takes
        longer than 300 seconds, it times out.  The other, not.  Why is that?
        \_ Perhaps network equipment configuration. Or try comparing settings
           in /proc/sys/net.
           \_ I ran /sbin/sysctl -a | grep tcp, all settings are the same.
              The only difference I've found so far is that one httpd binary
              is 32 bit, the other 64 bit.
              \_ That's a huge difference. Why is that? Your systems
                 aren't even close to similar. Start with that thesis
                 instead of the "identical" thesis. Is one of them a
                 Pentium Pro and the other one a quad core P4, too?
                 \_ They are two separate systems.  But the question still is
                    why does one time out, while the other one does not.
                    \_ Could be lots of reasons. What are the differences?
                       Why is one running a 64bit binary, for instance?
                       As it stands your systems don't seem similarly
                       configured or spec'd at all so it's not surprising
                       they behave differently. So what are the differences?
                       Answer that and you have your answer. Also switch
                       network ports (A<->B) and IPs to eliminate that
                       from the equation.
2008/8/21 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:50932 Activity:nil
8/21    what is your favorite PHP ide?  Eclipse?  vim?
2008/8/11-13 [Computer/Rants, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:50836 Activity:nil
8/10    "Some Opening Ceremony fireworks were fake" (
        "London's Telegraph newspaper reports that some of the fireworks which
        appeared over Beijing during the television broadcast of the Olympic
        Opening Ceremony were actually computer generated. But -- hold on --
        it's not necessarily as bad as you think."
        \_ I 100 percent support CGI fireworks on TV over real live
2008/5/1-2 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:49864 Activity:low
4/30    I just signed up facebook for the very first time. This piece of
        shit website is built using PHP. I can't believe it. How do they
        even scale at that size?
        \_ Isn't Yahoo using php?  It must scale a little.
        \_ What does the underlying language have to do with scalability?
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