Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2007:May:18 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2007/5/18-19 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:46680 Activity:nil
        \_ Guess there's more than one Sour Grapes Housing Guy
2007/5/18-19 [Uncategorized] UID:46681 Activity:nil
5/17    Can someone point out the URL to GWB's transcript? I'm wondering
        what grade he got in Econ/Business. Thanks.
2007/5/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:46682 Activity:moderate
        7 out of 18 Presidential candidate are millionaires. "All of the
        candidates are seeking to lead a country where the median net worth
        is about $93,000, and the median yearly income is about $46,000."
        Hold on. How the hell do you make $46K but save only $93K net worth?
        Don't most of us own homes that are at least 3-4X our income?
        \_ Two words:  CREDIT CARD.  More words: HOME EQUITY LOAN
        \_ 1) because the saving's rate hovers around zero, 2) no.
        \_ "most of us" don't own homes.
           \_ 68% is "most".
           \_ 68% is "most". (Correction, 2000 census, 66.2%)
              \_ You mean there are 200M homes in the USA?
                 \_ There sure is a big helping of the stupid piled on motd
                    \_ here in America, we like big helpings.
2007/5/18-19 [Transportation/Car] UID:46683 Activity:moderate
5/17    Man with no arms and 1 leg eludes police in high-speed chase.
        \_ I wished most people who had two arms and two legs could
           drive that well.
        \_ "Come back here!  I'll bite your legs off!"
        \_ "He spent time in prison for kicking a Florida Highway Patrol
           trooper after an accident in 1996."  This is one guy who won't
           let his disability affect his performance!
2007/5/18-19 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:46684 Activity:very high
5/17    Southern ocean saturated with CO2
        "We thought we would be able to detect these only the second half of
        this century, say 2050 or so," she said. But data from 1981 through
        2004 show the sink is already full of carbon dioxide. "So I find this
        really quite alarming."
        \_ Which ironically shows how wrong this particular scientific model
           is.  It's amazing how time after time these models prove wrong,nd
           yet no one is connecting the dots.
           \_ By "amazing", I assume you mean "how science works"... Their
              models are turning out to be far too conservative.  The irony
              is in the claims of alarmism..
              is in the claims of alarmism.. --scotsman
              \_ I at least am  quite familiar with how science works.  My last
                 job (just departed) was in scientific simulation.  In
                 particular of simulation of radiation interaction with human
                 tissue for oncology.  And if my models were more than 3% off,
                 it was completely unacceptable.  Yet in the latest IPCC
                 report, the estimate for ocean rise is dramatically less than
                 it was in the previous one.  Furthermore, if your results are
                 wrong, it means you have a broken model, and you fundamentally
                 can't make reasonable predictions with a broken model. -emarkp
                 \_ Are you going to dig up Jewish corpses full time?  How
                    much are your CORBA payments?
                 \_ So... If your models were 3% off, it was unacceptable and..
                    what?  You ran more experiments?  You changed your model?
                    Or you said "Well shit, I guess that proves that radiation
                    has no effect on cancerous tissue"? --scotsman
                    \_ The doctors would threaten to throw our software out the
                       window. -emarkp
                       \_ So, another parallel that isn't... --scotsman
                          \_ Hi anonymous troll! -emarkp
                          \_ I posit that you are unconvinceable, since no
                             model will ever be accurate enough for you.
                             \_ You're wrong.  My belief in climate started
                                with skepticism, moved to acceptance (even of
                                anthropgenic warming), then back to skepticism
                                of man's cause, and now I simply don't believe
                                there is warming.  All of those changes in my
                                interpretation have come from my own
                                investigation of the data. -emarkp
                                \_ Have you checked out the Stern report?
                                   The expected cost of even the conservative
                                   scenarios where AGW is real far far
                                   exceeds the cost of doing something about
                                   it.  Why is normal risk analysis thrown
                                   out the window only in this case?
                                   \_ Odd, I never see risk analysis on this,
                                      it's typically, "don't you want to help
                                      the earth"? -emarkp
                                      \_ You aren't looking very hard at all.
                                         Google "stern report global warming"
                                         \_ Oh yeah, that looks fun.  A 645
                                            page report.  No thanks. -emarkp
                                            \_ Odd.  You say, "I never see
                                               risk analysis."  Then you
                                               are presented with a very
                                               prominent peice of risk
                                               analysis, and declare that
                                               you won't read it.
                                               \_ 645 pages?!?  Sorry no.  I
                                                  looked into it and it looks
                                                  pretty sketchy.  In
                                                  particular, the claim
                                                  summarized is that it would
                                                  cost 1% GDP to prevent the
                                                  problems of GW, but 20% if we
                                                  don't stop it.  Skimming the
                                                  first chapter it seems just a
                                                  rehash of previous claims.
                                                  Considering Kyoto wasn't
                                                  going to solve anything and
                                                  cost a ton, I simply don't
                                                  buy this.  And what does it
                                                  claim about China and India?
                                                  (Oh and then I find this on
                                                  the wiki:
                        Professor Richard Tol, an environmental economist and
                        lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
                        Change (IPCC), said that "If a student of mine were to
                        hand in this report as a Masters thesis, perhaps if I
                        were in a good mood I would give him a 'D' for
                        diligence; but more likely I would give him an 'F' for
                        fail. There is a whole range of very basic economics
                        mistakes that somebody who claims to be a Professor of
                        Economics simply should not make. (...) Stern
                        consistently picks the most pessimistic for every
                        choice that one can make. He overestimates through
                        cherry-picking, he double counts particularly the risks
                        and he underestimates what development and adaptation
                        will do to impacts.")
                                      \_ Please don't buy the Green hype;
                                         there are plenty of selfish reasons
                                         to want head off AGW. Unless, of
                                         course, you're buying real estate on
                                         high ground in the hopes of owning a
                                         future beach house.
                                         \_ I'm more interested in clean air.
                                            Quit the crap about CO2 and let's
                                            get rid of brown air. -emarkp
                                            \_ a.k.a. air with the mark of cain
                                            \_ a.k.a. air with the Mark of Cain
                                \_ What sources led you to your disbelief?
                 \_ Says the man that believes in Joseph Smith's magic plates.
                    \_ I'm not proposing them as a scientific theory. -emarkp
                 \_ You know, they keep changing their predictions for
                    earthquakes in the Bay Area, too, but somehow I'm willing
                    to believe that there will be one in the future.  -tom
                    \_ But if they predicted one tomorrow, which didn't happen,
                       and the day after, which didn't happen, and then in one
                       year (and there was one in 6 months), would you believe
                       them if they predicted one on a certain date? -emarkp
                       \_ Your suggested parallel isn't. --scotsman
                          \_ It's a bit closer than tom's, but hey, like I
                             care. -emarkp
                             \_ it's been well established that you don't care
                                about reality.   -tom
                                \_ hah!  Nice troll tom.  Go back to your cage.
                                   \_ Tom may be a troll, but it appears that
                                      anyone who disagrees with you is a troll.
                                      \_ No, people who post anonymously but
                                         call me out by name are trolls.
                                         \_ I didn't post anonymously or call
                                            you out.  -tom
           \_ JUST A NATURAL CYCLE!!!!! GIVE ME MY HUMMER BACK!!!!!!!!1!!!!
           \_ You may find helpful.
2007/5/18-20 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46685 Activity:low 72%like:46709
5/18    Freepers, um, "respond" to immigration plan
        \_ Is this the move that will drop his approval ratings to sub-Nixon
           \_ You're not thinking far enough ahead.  All but one of the
              2008 R candidates has come out against this bill.  This will
              fire up the base and enable them to rant and rave about how
              THEY wouldn't have sold the country down the river for them
              damn Mexicans if THEY had been President.  This is a parting
              gift from Dubya for em.
              \_ Ezra Klein has a good take
           \_ It's still above congress' approval.  However, "the base" that
              will leave Bush has already done so.  I can't imagine it'd go
        \_ There are no Freepers on the motd.  We used to have one and then we
           had several fakes and now we fortunately have none.
2007/5/18-22 [Transportation/Car] UID:46686 Activity:nil
5/18    Obi Wan Kenobi buys a used car (from last year)
2007/5/18-22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46687 Activity:high
5/18    To the troll who was asking me why I was for the war in Iraq, why don't
        you ask Senator Clinon?  Just in case you wanted to know, here's her
        \_ Why? Are you saying you would vote for her?
        \_ Commander-In-Chief Hillary Rodham Clinton.
           Doesn't it have a melodious sound?
           Oh, btw, she is against it now. Why haven't you changed your tune?
           \_ It'll never happen.  She wouldn't even be in the race much less
              considered a serious contender if she wasn't a MSM beloved
              Clinton.  So many long for the return of the Bill Clinton days
              they'd support anything with his name even though she's nothing
              like him.  Out here in the real world she has negative ratings
              so high that there's no way she can win the Presidency and they
              only get worse for her as she pisses off the left.  The right
              already knows her while the left continues to figure it out more
              each day.
              \_ The Right has had her on its list of hated people since WJC
                 got elected. They know what they want to think of her, nothing
                 more. She's a lot more than a feminazi caricature, and you
                 wrong yourself to miss that.
                 \_ Why do you feel the need to put words in my mouth?  I
                    never described her as little "more than a feminazi
                    caricature".  If you can't reply to what was said, please
                    don't.  You completely ignore my comments on the number of
                    people on the left who have learned to dislike her while
                    inventing something from whole cloth I didn't say.
                    \_ If the comment does not apply to you, don't take it as
                       such. However, many on the right have her pegged as a
                       feminazi caricature, and she's much more than that.
                       \_ I think if you spend your time arguing someone is
                          'more than just a feminazi' you have already lost
                          the image war.
                          \_ You know, it's surreal conversations like this
                             that remind me why I don't bother with Usenet
                             anymore. *shrug* It's the Right that's written
                             her off as a FemiNazi. Among people who think
                             (read: non-dittoheads), labels like that just
              \_ Are you the same guy who predicted that the Iraq War would
                 be a good idea?
                 \_ aaron?
                 \_ No.  I think when they didn't declare martial law on day 1
                    it was over.  Everything that happened after that as Iraq's
                    situation spiraled down was stupid.  And calling it a War
                    is just wrong at least as far as our troops are concerned.
                    They aren't fighting anyone.  They go on patrols, they get
                    shot at a lot, sometimes roadside bombs go off.  There are
                    near zero efforts to find and go after any of the various
                    forces trying to destabilize the country (for political
                    reasons).  I know you were just being snarky but I figured
                    I'd give you a real answer anyway.
                    \_ Not entirely being snarky. Just pointing out the fact
                       that the Right Wing Oracle seems to be broken these
                       days, so the fact that Republicans are all 100%
                       convinced that Hillary is "unelectable" doesn't
                       neccessarily mean that this is so.
              \_ Read it and weep:
                 \_ don't be stupid.
                    \_ TradeSports has been pretty on target with most
                       of its predictions. Do you have a better
                       prediction market?
                       \_ So that was a tradesports link? It doesn't work for
                          me now. I just looked on there and they have Hillary
                          at 40:100 to win. I thought Obama had a much better
                          chance. They also have Gore on there. I guess Gore
                          might join late. Gore vs. Clinton? I have no idea
                          how he'd do. I think he could win the presidency.
                          The problem with him is he has associated himself with
                          a controversial issue. Someone like Giuliani is bland
                          as white bread. You can't really complain about him
                          because all he says is he likes lower taxes and all
                          the usual bullshit. He's probably corrupt but the
                          American people don't care about that. He looks like
                          he's in the mafia (omg racist).
2007/5/18-22 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46688 Activity:nil
5/18    Dubya may reward Tony Blair's loyalty with World Bank post (
        \_ Predicted on the MOTD, May 16:
        \_ Predicted on the MOTD:
2007/5/18-20 [Transportation/Car, Recreation/Activities] UID:46689 Activity:nil
5/18    VW GTI rocks:
2007/5/18-22 [Transportation/Car] UID:46690 Activity:kinda low
5/18    Help. A new Pinkberry opened up across from where I live and
        it has increased traffic jam. How will this adversely affect
        my property value? It's 1.5 blocks away from my condo. I'm thinking
        of petitioning, with the help of HOA, to get them pay for a new
        parking structure, or better yet, kick them out.
        \_ What the fuck is a Pinkberry?
           \_ I'm boycotting them just for the obnoxiousness of their website..
              OP, you've chosen to live in LA.  No sympathy.
           \_ google it and read "the taste that launched 1000 parking tickets."
              \_ Dude, Angelenos are just plain weird.
        \_ Generally, desirable business near your house increase your
           property value.
           \_ Check Cashed Now!, Aladin Bail Bonds, Joe's Pawn Shop,
              Buba's Super Stereo World, Mo's Sports Bar, Crazy Horse
              Gentlemen's Club, Spearmint Rhino Gentlemen's Club, y Larry
              Flint's Husler Casino are extremely desirable too. Will
              they raise surrounding property values?
              \_ You're throwing in a lot of different things there.  I
                 don't think anyone would consider check cashing or pawn
                 shops as "desirable."  A sports bar could easily raise
                 property values, as could a casino.
        \_ Move as far out into the suburbs as you can. That is the only
                                    \_ wilderness
                                       \_ A shack in Montana far off the grid.
           way you can be sure to be safe.
2007/5/18-22 [Uncategorized] UID:46691 Activity:nil
5/18    In X11 display port, for example :0.0 - what function does the .0
        portion serve?
        \_ It indicates the screen for a multiscreen display.
2007/5/18-20 [Uncategorized] UID:46692 Activity:nil 97%like:46707
5/18    How to deal with your crazy boss (bully, paranoid, narcissist, etc)
2018/12/14 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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