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| 2006/1/2-3 [Health/Disease/General] UID:41193 Activity:moderate |
1/1 Pretend I live in an alternative dimension and I got really drunk
with Sergei Brin. Pretend we had consensual sex. Pretend
that I discovered 5 days later that he was taking herpes
treatment medication. Pretend 7 days later (after initial
contact) I developed herpes symptoms. Alternative dimension
Bizarro World Sergei didn't rape me or anything but he didn't
tell me he had herpes. Can I sue him? How do you sue someone
with an insane amount of more financial resources than you have?
\_ You have to stop drinking when you write on the MOTD
\- Why dont you distill this to the question you are really
asking. "Can I sue somebody for giving me a communicable
disease?" is a different question from the "civil procedure"
issues [what law do I sue under, where do I sue, how much
can I get, what happens when I lose, how is this appealed, how
do I collect etc.]. Also, this sort of touches on what are
called remedies at law vs. equity, meaning you can try to sue
somebody for $$$ or to get them to do something [more rare].
I think in this case you might be able to have this adequately
resolved outside the court system by offering to not to public-
ly disclose you were assmastered [I am assuming you are a sloda
male] in an alternative [sic] dimension by that Brin fellow.
An interesting question is "if i do not contract herpes, can
i sue for the unpleasant experience of worrying i may have
herpes for 2-days" ... that has some interesting consequences.
Anyway, some details about you story like "i got drunk ... we
had consensual sex", "i depvelop symtoms" as opposed to "i am
diagnosed with herpes" [n.b. I dont know anything about herpes
so i cannot comment on possibly relevant medical factors]
clouds the issue about what you are really asking. Another
interesting question is say the othe fellow believed with
very high confidence [say he mailed you a certified letter]
you knew he had disease X, but it turned out you didnt know,
how do things change? or what about if he disclosed he had
disease X and you asked "is that contageous" and he said
"i dont think so" ... how does that change things? --psb
\_ I didn't mean to sound cryptic with 'symptoms of herpes'.
Doctor confirms it is herpes. Lab results from the culture
confirm it is herpes. The 2 weeks of oozing pustules confirm
it pretty well too. Bizarre World Sergei knew he had herpes
but he didn't think he was contagious.
it pretty well too. Bizarro World Sergei knew he had herpes
but he didn't think he was contagious. Nearly 1/3 or greater
or some other scary amount of adults have herpes type 1
on their lips (also known as cold sores). If you stick
it on your genitals then you start calling it genital herpes.
Many people carry it for years without showing symptoms,
but are still communicable. The only way to avoid it is to
marry a Mormon who has never had a cold sore.
\_ 70-90% have oral herpes, up to 30% have genital herpes
http://health.enotes.com/childrens-health-encyclopedia/herpes-simplex |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:41194 Activity:nil |
1/2 Next on our target list: Iran. This war on terror thing is getting
better and better!
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10415
After we hit them, only way Iran can hit us back is to support
terrorist activities against USA... then, we can claiming that
the pre-emptive strike against Iran is justified because it supports
terrorist organization... I love this.
\_ So, what would you suggest we do about Iran?
\_ leave them alone, just like what we've done to Pakistein,
India, Israel and North Korea.
\- Do you mean India -> Hindustein |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Reference/Religion] UID:41195 Activity:nil |
1/2 Rose Parade to have first rain in more than 50 years. Thank God.
Rose Parade is slow and boring and is a tradition that prides
itself on growing and killing plants for the sole purpose of
endulgement. It represents the worst of capitalism, it's
wastefulness. It's a tradition that should have been abandoned
long time ago. Thank God the Rose Parade popularity has
been going down since the late 80s.
\_ pathetic attempt at a troll. (Among other things, you don't kill
roses when you cut their flowers). -tom
\_ OP had reporductive organs cut off. Dead inside. Feels need
spread the hate. Yummy, yummy hate.
\_ wtf is endulgement?
\_ there is no shortage of roses the year after.. actually
there are the same amount of roses year after year.. |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:41196 Activity:nil |
12/3 Hello, I'd like to setup a wiki and a discussion board for
people interested in a particular niche market I'm looking at
(I can't give out details because someone may steal it). I
already colo my family web site (<lastname>family.com) with a
friend of mine on Solaris at InReach, Oakland. What's the best
software to get to host a wiki and a discussion board, and do
I have to setup suexec and mysql? |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:41197 Activity:moderate |
1/2 Hey, I thought we were having a draft in 2005. What happened? Will
there be a military draft in 2006?
\_ Whoever said there was going to be a draft way back when was
overreaching almost as bad as the greeted as liberators person.
\_ Only if Charles Rangel (D - http://www.house.gov/rangel gets his way.
\_ Damn warmongering Democrats.
\_ It's funny, but the reasons he gives for it are as a social
program (like busing) and a way to make people not want war
(they won't vote for war if their kids are in the service).
\_ I remember the reason why Rangel draft the bill is he wants
to make sure the process of draft is relatively equal, and
wealthy kids have their chances to see actions.
\_ Wealthy kids volunteer for service so they can be officers
or protect the homeland as part of the NG.
\_ There will be no draft because Dubya said so. Read his lips.
\_ There was one MOTD poster who swore there would be a draft.
Silly me, I thought he would be more credible than Dubya.
\_ that guy was saying that if we need to do this Iraq business
right, we need to have a draft to fill the gap in man power.
In that regard, he is still right. The reason why we don't
have a draft is because Dubya decided it is ok if Iraq really
fells apart, and he can always divert our attention to
somewhere else by, let say, bombing Iran.
\_ Nice revisionist history.
\_ Perhaps you can point us to the thread? Things like the
following seem more prevalent:
\_ ohh yeah? what happened to the "beacon of democracy
in the middle east?" are you saying that we've
accomplished this and this is why Rummy pulls out
5000 troops?
\_ Good job trying to switch the subject. Try to focus
on the draft here. You want to talk about Rummy?
Start your own thread about your pretty nicknames.
\_ Reference please. Things like the following seem more
prevalent:
http://csua.com/?entry=37623
At that point (5/05), someone claimed there would be
a draft within the next 18 months. Does that person
(-vet?) still stand by the claim?
\_ Are you claiming that the US will bomb Iran? Care to put
a time frame on that prediction and sign your name to it,
so you can be properly celebrated when your prediction
comes true?
\_ http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10415
\_ So? Are *you* claiming that the US will bomb Iran?
Time frame and name please, if you're willing to
stand behind your prediction. |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:41198 Activity:very high |
1/2 It'€™s the demography, stupid.
http://www.newcriterion.com/archives/24/01/its-the-demography
\_ Wow, what in inchoerent racist screed. I salute you sir.
\_ What's racist and/or incoherent about it? Did you have
difficulty understanding it?
\_ Just off the top of my head, the equation of Western genes
with Western culture. --!pp
\_ Except it doesn't do that.
\_ Just pulling something out at random: "Radical Islam is what
multiculturalism has been waiting for all along." It reads
like Ann Coulter or Joseph McCarthy, but less coherent. --!pp
\_ You haven't answered my question. And what is wrong with
that sentence? You seem incapable of formulating an
explanation of your ideas.
\_ Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that
you're not just trolling. Probably a bad assumption,
but anyway...an example of an equally specious argument
from the other side of the political spectrum would be
something like, "Abortion clinic bombings are what
Christians are all about." Even that doesn't really
do it justice, since at least in that case some of
the bombers were (nominally at least) Christian.
[I said something much more imflammatory after this
in response to your last sentence, but then I realized
that was a bad idea and self-censored. ok tnx]
\_ You're not really doing a good job explaining
yourself here but from what I can tell you are
misinterpreting the article. As regards that
sentence, it refers to the possibility that
"multiculturalism", in equally accepting other
cultures, is susceptible to accepting a culture
which, in the author's opinion, is "bad" ('radical
Islam'), and which he notes is not politically
correct to judge and talk about as such. Note that
I could come up with various criticisms of the
article myself but yours aren't valid IMO. The
author knows that attacking multiculturalism (and
Muslims... since he implies that the "radical"
and intolerant brand of it is large and becoming
more widespread, even in Europe) is against the
mainstream and will antagonize people like you.
I'd like to see you actually explain yourself
however instead of dumbly shouting racism in
response (which the author also expects). The
two main "asshole" opinions of his are 1. "western
culture" is superior and should be acknowledged
as such and 2. "Islamist" culture should not
be tolerated. While these cultures are associated
with certain races they do cross racial boundaries
as is mentioned.
\_ I'm not the person who shouted racism. Give it
a rest.
\_ There was a specific accusation of racism. Please
post example(s) from the article to substantiate
the characterization of "racist screed". If there
are no specific example(s), please retract the claim
of racism.
the bombers were (nominally at least) Christian. It's
not that the article is difficult to understand, it's
that it's not saying anything of substance or
trying to construct any kind of coherent argument.
It's just a rant. Political arguments can be more
than just opinionated rants, ya know - or did you learn
Rhetoric 101 from Michael Moore?
\_ If you hadn't noticed, I said "!pp" in my first
post. I didn't say anything about racism - the
article is too incoherent to express an idea
that well-formed. It's possible to talk to more
than one person on the motd, ya know.
\_ 1. That some post-4 was signed "!pp" does not
not imply that the unsigned post-2 was also by
the same or some other "!pp". 2. Nevertheless
you are in a thread branched off the claim
that the quoted article as "racist screed".
3. "Racist" has a specific meaning, and
incoherence or speciousness does not mean
racism. 4. I take it that no one is able to
defend the original claim that the article is
racist.
\_ I take it that you're not able to counter
the claim that the article is incoherent,
and based a combination of strawman and
ad hominem argument.
\_ Please present examples of ad hominem or
strawman arguments from the article.
\_ I already did. Do I have to spell it
out for you even more carefully?
\_ You didn't mention why you thought
it was ad hominem or strawman.
\_ It sets up an argument against
a concept called
"multiculturalism," but doesn't
define it in any meaningful
way, other than perhaps guilt by
association with a conservative
buzzword that is used as a
hammer to beat liberals (see
also "political correctness").
I guess it is left as an
exercise for the prejudices of
the reader, but this nebulous
definition then allows him room
to assign all kinds of supposed
motives to a movement which he
has not defined. It's the old
"Liberals love terrorists,
you're a liberal, therefore you
love terrorists" argument.
\_ Are you reading the same
article? The one I'm half
way through and still reading
focusses on demographic
math, not knee jerk
conversative vs. liberal
bullshit. It seems like you
stopped on page 5. Down
here at 60 of 71 screens,
I've got 55 extra screens of
demographics I don't think
you bothered reading.
\_ So I can write whatever
bullshit screed I like,
so long as I attach a
bunch of demographics to
the bottom of it?
\_ So you didn't read it.
Ok thanks for letting
us know.
\_ What sort of
rational argument is
it that assigns
beliefs to a group
while providing not
a shred of evidence
that this belief
exists? His
argument is based
entirely on quotes
from one English
baroness, hardly
a government
authority nor a
good standin for
the "liberal
multicultural"
bogeyman his entire
article is ranting
against.
He does mention some poll purporting that _/
like 60% of Muslims in Britain would like
Sharia. (can't be bothered to look at article
again.)
\_ Thanks. I had forgotten about the 2020 Project.
\_ Looks like jblack finally figured out people won't delete his
links if he posts the direct link instead of the freeper discussion
link.
\_ Looks like the hosting service censored it.
\_ I'm guessing it was the Mark Steyn article of that title:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760
\_ The WSJ editorial page! Shocking.
\_ While WSJ is one fine newspaper, which counts me as
as a daily reader, it's editorial page has been pure
trash as long as I can remember. - motd stock fanatic
\_ "There will only be very few and very old ethnic Germans and
French and Italians by the midpoint of this century. What will
they leave behind? Territories that happen to bear their names
and keep up some of the old buildings? Or will the dying European
races understand that the only legacy that matters is whether the
peoples who will live in those lands after them are reconciled to
pluralist, liberal democracy?"
Ah, the old "pure" Germans, French, and Italians fallacy again.
Run, little fearmonger, run!
\_ Nicely pulled out of context. He's talking about culture, not
DNA based racial characteristics. But you knew that.
\_ so why did he keep mentioning about "races"?
\_ because, duh, those "races" already have the modern
western democratic culture he's talking about.
\_ huh? if the key thing is culture, why does he
mention about races? he needs to make up his mind
what he thinks the crisis is.
\_ Are you being purposefully dense? It's specifically
about the influx of Muslims from Algeria et al who
allegedly resist western culture. If it makes you
feel better, try coming up with a better word to
differentiate the predominant "native" populations in
those countries. "Races" is proper usage even if it
triggers little kneejerk alarms in your mind.
\_ Races is the right word, and racist is the
proper description of the author. Why are you
so against the use of the term "racist"? Do not
let the PC cops define what terms you can or
cannot use. You should be proud of being a
racist.
\_ Who said I was against the use of "races"?
Learn to read. Look how stupid you are.
\_ Where did I say that? Are you stupid?
\_ Wow, you made so many edits to your
post I replied to an earlier revision
and now you claim you never said it.
It's in mehlhaff's archive. And I never
stated my own position on the subject
so have no basis to call me racist.
But all you're concerned with is
winning your little motd battle.
Why should people be proud to be
racist BTW? And again, this whole
useless diversion is completely beside
the point; you haven't shown that
anti-radical-Islam is racist. I'm
done with this thread.
\_ Yes, I haven't finished writing,
and you started spewing invectives.
\_ So, what does "self-extinction
of the races" has to do with anti-
radical-Islam? Extreme Wahabism
is a problem that stretches all
the way to Indonesia and the
Phillipines, and is a global
problem and threat to many,
including the 90% of muslims who
do not subscribe to it. Do tell us
how would a mis-characterization
of it as a threat to the survival
of the "European races" help?
\_ Yes, I haven't finished writing,
and you started spewing invectives.
\_ And similarly, racist is a proper description
of the author. Why are you so against use of
the term "racist"? It's not necessarily bad,
depending on what races you belong to.
so against use of the terms "races" and
"racist"? Do they trigger little kneejerk
alarms in your racist little brain?
\_ As I understand it the point was
1. multiculturalist tolerance
allows it to grow, 2. demographics
indicates it may become the
dominant Eur. culture. That's where
the "races" come in (under the
suggestion that these groups aren't
acculturizing to western standards)
Unfortunately we have to spend
pages of motd on the irrelevant
subject of racial purity.
\_ As I understand it, the
author is just using extreme
Islam to spread fears and
push his right wing agenda.
What's the point of mention-
ing New Zealand and
Australia's birthrate, for
instance. Do these countries
have a large muslim
population? I don't think so.
\_ Oddly enough, a friend is
dating a Persian chick from
Australia. Anyway, 2.3%
Muslim in Australia. Muslim
population growing by 40% a
year, versus 5.7% for Aus.
population as a whole.
Projecting that growth rate
linearly (so this is obviously
a simplistic and wrong
calculation), in 10 years
~1/3 of Aus. will be of the
Muslim faith.
Another example:
"Pigs are valued assets and sleep in the
living room in rural China--and next thing you
know an unknown respiratory disease is killing
people in Toronto, just because someone got on
a plane. " Talk about being irrelevant. It's
so obvious that the author just wanted to do
some "liberal"-bashing, throwing in jabs against
environmentalists, feminists, etc. I don't
understand how anyone reasonably intelligent
can fail to see through the facade unless he
has his own agenda himself.
\_ Oddly enough, a friend is
dating a Persian chick from
Australia. Anyway, 1.6%
Muslim in Australia. Muslim
population growing by 40% a
year, versus 5.7% for Aus.
population as a whole.
Projecting that growth rate
linearly (so this is obviously
a simplistic analysis), in
10 years ~1/5 of Aus. will
be of the Muslim faith. I
am too lazy to do the research
of NZ, but if Kiwis and
Islamic Kiwis are similarly
(un)fecund, the results should
not be so different. Thus is
the power of compounding.
Perhaps you shouldn't be so
sure of things you are so
sure of.
\_ I question your 40%
a year figure. Source
please.
\_ Mea culpa. I misread
in haste. It was
actually "40% in
five years, while the
Australian population
as a whole grew by 5.7%
in the same period."
http://csua.org/u/ehj
So it will be 2.9% in
10 years and 4.8% in
20 years.
\_ Since when is German/French/Italian a race?
\_ Would you deny they are ethnicities? Why wouldn't they
be races? dict race
\_ Is Chinese a race? American? How about Nigerians?
Is that a race? (Ob. I happen to know a family of
Chinese-Nigerians.)
\_ Ya know, being smug doesn't help you win arguments.
\_ Less pulled out of context than his Toynbee quote. Toynbee
would have had no use for the shrill Mr. Steyn:
"We intend to modify the violence of the fight, and to
prevent the weak being trampled under foot." -AT
\_ Then his point is doubly worthless, since the great unwashed
masses that stream into Europe and America are greater
converts to secular capitalism than most native Europeans.
\_ That's an interesting claim. While I can see a claim
that *some* immigrants are more capitalistic than the
existent population, I have trouble believing all or
even most would be more capitalistic. Do you have a
reference for the claim, or is this just invention?
\_ I agree with this article. For instance, the Great Chinese
Civilization is superior to the backward cultures you find in
Southeast Asia, or the stone-age buddhist cult culture you
find in Tibet, or the violent Islamist culture in northwest
China. We should always civilize them and not become
lazy and primitive like their backward cultures.
-gcc (Great Chinese Chauvinist)
\_ Some of the "facts" listed in the article are total bullshit,
for example the claim that the Club of Rome book Limits to Growth
predicted oil, natural gas, etc., would run out in the 1990s. The
Limits to Growth said no such thing. They just said that you cannot
grow consumption of a finite resource indefinitely, and they
theorized that many extracted resources would run out within 100
years ... Which is 2070, not 1990. They identified as oil as the
years ... Which is 2070, not 1990. They identified oil as the
first resource to no longer be able to be extracted more quickly
(peak). All they did was take the current reserves of each
resource, multiply it by 5 to account for new discoveries and
apply a yearly growth of x% and see how long the resource will
last ... Limits to *growth*.
\_ Apparently this is a common mistake re the Limits to Growth.
See "Plenty of Gloom" (Economist 12/18/1997) for example.
http://csua.org/u/eh8
Your own characterization of Limits of Growh is equally
misleading. In fact, the Limits of Growth presented 3 possible
scenerios. Scenerio 1 assumes status quo and presents the 550
billion barrel quantity. Scenerio 2 doubled that to 1.1T
barrels, and scenerio 3 5x'ed the 550B barrels. So in fact it is
true that 1 scenerio of the 3 presented in Limits of Growth
predicted the exhaustion of oil in 1990. Obviously scenerio
1 is wrong. Current world reserves is around 2T barrels I
think, so scenerio 2 is probably off. I think scenerio 2 calls
for exhaustion of oil by 2015. The jury on scenerio 3 is still
out. Fortunately we should all still be around to see even
scenerio 3 of Limits of Growth vindicated or discredited.
Again, I must say I find the general level of mischaracterization
of information (and sometimes outright deliberate deception)
both else where and on MOTD to be disappointing.
\_ OBTW, given the existence of Fischer-Tropsch et al, scenerio
3 is almost certainly also incorrect.
\_ Come to think of it, a claim that Limits of Growth predicted
the exhaustion of oil in 1990 is strictly true, and a claim
that Limits of Growth "said no such thing" is completely
false. Shameful. |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Computer/SW/Virus] UID:41199 Activity:nil |
1/2 Which Windows anti-virus software do you trust/recommend?
\_ Linux
\_ I think the general consensus is that Kaspersky is the best AV
program you can buy. Among the free AV programs, Avast! is well
regarded, followed by AntiVir. ClamAV seems pretty good if you
want to go open-source. --jameslin
\_ The KAV guys have a lot of connections to fairly dodgy
people, and thus get good info early on. ClamAV is superb, in
combination with AdAware and something like Spybot S&D (as
well as a dedicated small hardware firewall like m0n0wall on
WRAP.) -John
\_ Hmmm, getting my AV ware from dodgy people?
\_ clamav is good for on-demand scanning. AFAIK, it doesn't do
real-time scanning. |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Industry/Jobs, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:41200 Activity:high |
1/2 A friend of mine is considering Peace Corps. I've heard that it used
to be a good program but in the past 25 years has lost a lot of its
original lustre, that countries need more help managing resources
than 22 year olds teaching them about sanitation, etc. Does anyone
have any experience w/ Peace Corps? Or know of any good criticisms
of the program? I'll start with:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/project/content/project/peacecorps/daily/1104voiceag.html
\_ Use tinyurl. I just met a woman who is some sort of Africa
\_ why?
\_ why?
\_ why ask why?
\_ why not?
\_ why ask why not?
\_ Why not ask why not?
expert in the peace corps and who described a lot of what they
do very openly. Apparently there's still a lot of need for
outfits like PC--NGOs, as they are not guaranteed funding, tend
to be very self-interested. If you like, I can put you in touch
with her (she was a good friend's roommate at GWU Law.) -John
\_ My understanding is people who can teach English and maybe
elementary math are a dime a dozen. If you are a Civil Engineer
or Medical Professional, who may be quite a hot commodity.
However, that may also mean you can go into a USAID project
or MSF/DrsWithoutBorders type program. I dunno if a vast
knowledge of say BGP can be used by the Peace Corps.
The do have a lot of restrictions, but I assume you have
discovered some of those in your preliminary research.
\_ My cousin is currently in the Peace Corps in Latin America.
He seems to enjoy the actual work he does (I think he has
been involved in getting farmers access to new markets via
the internet and other such programs based on micro loans,
but I'm not 100% sure).
He has expressed some reservations about the way the Peace
Corps is administered and the fact that in some places local
politics can get in the way of providing any real assistance.
iirc, in one town where my cousin worked, the local mayor
actively resisted any work done by Peace Corps ppl b/c he
felt that they didn't really understand the local situation.
One problem I've seen with the Peace Corps is that they don't
really train the people with real world skills like building
homes or paving or farming before sending them out (most of
the people I know who did Peace Corps weren't engineers) so
they end up in big or small cities where they can't really
do anything very too useful.
For historical reference, my mom used to tell me stories of
people who did Peace Corps in India. She says they mostly
acted like tourists, walking around from village to village,
giving out money and stuff. Mostly she says it was pretty
lame because in a country like India, a few random english
majors can't solve inherent problems related to lack of
education and opportunity.
the internet and other such programs but I'm not 100% sure).
I remember he described some problems with the way the PC
is administered and local government resistance. If you
want to talk to him, let me know and I'll try to put you
in contact with him.
--ranga
want to talk to him, let me know and I'll try to get you
some contact info (I don't think he has email access right
now). --ranga
\_ primrose got back recently from a tour in the corps in togo
\_ My girlfriend spent two years in the Peace Corps in Honduras.
We went to visit her adopted Honduran family a couple years
ago. I think her impression is that the Peace Corps does good
work, but the problems tend to be endemic and difficult to
overcome. It's certainly true that the Corps and all NGOs
have great difficulty effecting change, due to local politics,
corruption, and poverty.
It is worth noting that the Peace Corps doesn't sponsor projects;
Peace Corps volunteers are assigned to a project run by a local
organization or NGO. There is also a wide range of types of
work to do, from health and science education, to business
development, to engineering. Apparently taxidermy is one of
the most sought-after skills due to the huge problems of
species endangerment and extinction in poor countries.
It is a truism that Peace Corps volunteers get more out of the
experience than the countries get out of the programs. -tom
\_ Join the Peace Corps: travel to exotic countries, encounter
interesting and stimulating species of ancient eras.... and
embalm them.
\_ If I join the peace corps, will I get to have sex with all
the local girls???? -what sodans really want to know!
\_ "get to"? |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:41201 Activity:nil |
1/2 Anyone here ever use http://ticketassassin.com? |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:41202 Activity:nil |
1/2 Work Well With Others (fly engines)
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/dinoriki/phliez/work-well-together.html |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Science/Space] UID:41203 Activity:nil |
1/2 http://csua.org/u/egv (businessweek.com) The birth of the Fremen! \_ "Cadillac Desert" is a terrific book (and a little closer to home). \_ The scholarship is a bit iffy here. Some of the key concepts turned out to be incorrect, although it is still a fun read. \_ Elaborate? I'm interested. Links? -pp \_ geography major. |
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