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2008/12/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52197 Activity:very high 100%like:52200
12/8    Andrew Sullivan has become truly unhinged
        http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html
        \_ please shorten this for the 80 char dinosaurs in audience
        \_ funny.  what if he's right?
           \_ What if the 9/11 truthers are right?
              \_ I truly do not think Bush is smart enough to lead a diabolical
                 conspiracy consisting of 10s of thousands to bomb the WTC
                 with thermite.
              \_ The difference being that the Truthers have had their theories
                 debunked with facts, whereas Sullivan's questions have only
                 been answered with assertions. How hard is it to produce the
                 birth certificate? Frankly, I wouldn't care, except that she
                 seems determined to make herself a GOP fixture.
                 \_ Given the scenario, the birth certificate would be faked as
                    well.  That wouldn't prove anything.
                    \_ Wasn't Obama really born in Kenya?
                    \_ At least it would provide something other than
                       "'cos I said so."
                 \_ What scenario could occur that would give the wackos
                    enough proof besides video footage of Obama ejecting
                    from the womb in Hawaii?
                    \_ Videos can be faked. This is the same crowd that
                       believes that the moon landings were faked as well:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
        \_ I find this far more entertaining than the Obama was born in Kenya
           conspiracy.  I guess it really is Berkeley's fault.
        \_ Do you call Malkin "truly unhinged" as well?
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andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html
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Bill Kaysing's self-published We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle was released in 1974, two years after the Apollo Moon flights had ceased. Watergate era when segments of the American public were disinclined to trust official accounts. Degh writes: "The mass media catapult these half-truths into a kind of twilight zone where people can make their guesses sound as truths. edit Predominant hoax claims A number of different hoax theories have been advanced. No one has proposed a complete narrative of how the hoax could have been perpetrated, but instead believers focus on perceived gaps or inconsistencies in the historical record of the missions. Several of these ideas and their most readily identifiable proponents are described below: 1 Complete hoax -- The idea that the entire human landing program was completely falsified from start to finish. Bart Sibrel has stated that the crew of Apollo 11 and subsequent astronauts had faked their orbit around the Moon and their walk on its surface by trick photography, and that they never got more than halfway to the Moon. find as powerful evidence that something was placed on the Moon by man." He goes on to say that photographs of the lander would not prove that America put men on the Moon. the Russians did that in 1959, the big problem is getting people there." His argument focuses around NASA sending robot missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans. Therefore the US government (NASA), since it had to present proof of the space program's success to justify taxpayers' money and keep the program alive, altered, modified and even faked many of the pictures and video, launching a subsequent media campaign with great success. secret knowledge are misleading or have misled the public in pursuit of a hidden agenda--namely, hiding that the Moon landings were faked. This is the central argument of the prominent critics of the conventional history of the Apollo program. hypothesis, such as: Real landing hypothesis NASA's portrayal of the Moon landing is fundamentally accurate, allowing for such common errors as mislabeled photos and imperfect personal recollections. Hoax hypothesis NASA's portrayal of the Moon landing is an orchestrated hoax. The lack of narrative consistency in the hoax hypothesis occurs because hoax accounts vary from proponent to proponent. The 'real landing' hypothesis is a single story, since it comes from a single source, but there are many hoax hypotheses, each of which addresses a specific aspect of the Moon landing. edit Hoax claims examined As mentioned above, many hoax claims focus on perceived problems with specific portions of the historical record surrounding the moon landings. It is this tape made in Australia before the scan conversion which is missing. Tapes or films of the scan-converted pictures exist and are available. Still photographs of the original SSTV image are available (see photos). The tapes contain the original and highest quality video feed from the Apollo 11 lunar landing which a number of former Apollo personnel want to recover for posterity, while NASA engineers looking towards future Moon missions believe the Apollo telemetry data may be useful for their design studies. Their investigations have determined that the Apollo 11 tapes were sent for storage at the US National Archives in 1970, but by 1984 all the Apollo 11 tapes had been returned to the Goddard Space Flight Center at their request. Bart Sibrel said "In my research at NASA I uncovered, deep in the archives, one mislabeled reel from the Apollo 11, first mission, to the Moon. What is on the reel and on the label are completely different. I suspect an editor put the wrong label on the tape 33 years ago and no reporter ever had the motive to be as thorough as I It contains an hour of rare, unedited, color television footage that is dated by NASA's own atomic clock three days into the flight. Identified on camera are Neil Armstrong, Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, and Michael Collins. They are doing multiple takes of a single shot of the mission, from which only about ten seconds was ever broadcast. Because I have uncovered the original unedited version, mistakenly not destroyed, the photography proves to be a clever forgery. Apollo 1 died in a fire on the launch pad during training. The fire was triggered by a spark in the oxygen-rich atmosphere used in the spacecraft test, and fueled by a significant quantity of combustible material within the spacecraft. Two years later all of the problems were declared fixed. 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Moon's day is approximately 29 days long, and as a consequence a single lunar day (dawn to dusk) lasts nearly fifteen days. As such there was no sunrise or sunset while the astronauts were on the surface. Most lunar missions occurred during the first few earth days of the lunar day. edit Transmissions Challenges and responses 1 The lack of a more than two-second delay in two-way communications at a distance of a 400,000 km (250,000 miles). There may also be some documentary films where the delay has been edited out. The relative sizes of, and distance between, Earth and Moon, to scale, with a beam of light travelling between them at the speed of light. It should also be borne in mind that there should not be a straightforward, consistent time delay between every response, as the conversation is being recorded at one end - Mission Control. 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