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| 2005/12/9-11 [Industry/Startup] UID:40940 Activity:moderate 77%like:40941 |
12/9 Looking for a job? Come work with us at AvantGo (now a service of
iAnywhere Solutions). It's fun and neat and all that stuff. Take a
look at /csua/pub/jobs/AvantGo for the latest postings, and feel free
to drop me a line with questions or whatnot. --dbushong (i'm lazy)
\_ "iAnywhere Solutions"? Ugh. -tom
\_ it doesn't matter what name the marketing department comes up
with for a product or service. it'll be changed next quarter
anyway. it only matters what they pay and how good/bad it is
to work there.
\_ How many companies with awful names like that can you point
to as successes? -tom
\_ Pretty much all of them. WTH does "Pepsi" mean? It's a
silly made up word but you own stock in it.
\_ Pepsin. It's named after an enzyme which helps
\_ Pepsidase. It's named after an enzyme which helps
digestion.
\_ If you think "Pepsi" sounds anything like
"iAnywhere Solutions", there's no point talking to
you. -tom
\_ Both are stupid. I own stock in neither. What does
Pepsi mean anyway?
\_ Pepsi is a much better name than CarbBev or
something, which is what iAnywhere is akin to.
\_ Perhaps it peps you up? Kinda like Dr.
Pepper?
\_ "Kodak" was specifically chosen because it didn't
mean anything. I agree with tom, if you can't
see why "Pepsi" is a better name than "iAnywhere
Solutions" then the discussion is useless.
\_ It isn't as bad. It is still stupid. And
none of this has anything to do with whether
or not it's a good place to work. If you
are actually specifically aware that it sucks
to work there or they pay low, let us know,
otherwise, bagging on the name is idiotic
and trollish especially considering this is
job posting which might be helpful for someone
who is.. ya know.. looking for a job. If you
don't have any real information about working
there, you are contributing nothing. We can
all see the name without your questionable
input.
\_ "Pepsi" is a simple, evocative name.
Apple, Sun, Yahoo, Google, Microsoft.
I'm not telling anyone not to work there,
I was just making a comment, although I
would add that the company will definitely
not exist under that name 10 years from
now, and choosing a name like that
would worry me as to what level of clue
the people steering the ship have. -tom
\_ So apple gets to name all of their
products iProducts but other companies
can't use the same naming scheme?
\_ First of all, it's not a product
name, it's a company name. Second
of all, Apple's i-products are
noun-based, which makes them sound
far less stupid than "iAnywhere."
(Though tangible nouns, like iTunes,
work better than others, like iLife).
And third, when you're several years
late to the iParty it just sounds
pathetic. Get your own schtick. -tom
\_ I don't disagree it's stupid, but
it's not stupid enough to rant
at length about it, that's all.
\_ tom's first reply was *1* line!
\_ Pepsi is a multi-Billion dollar
product and the only way they
get people to drink their
product, which is much worse for
you and yet much more expensive
than ordinary tap water, is by
marketing. So saying Pepsi is
bad/stupid marketing is kind of
arguing against the facts.
\_ They're #2 last I checked.
Maybe if they didn't have
such stupid marketing they'd
be #1 over the other company
that sells expensive and
unhealthy drinks?
\_ Pepsi has been making
big gains versus Coke
as per yesterday's
paper.
\_ Who is #1 and #2? "If
we can get just 10% of
this multi-billion $$$
market we'll be set!"
If I had a dime for
everytime....
\_ Coke $100 B,
Pepsi $98.2 B
\_ It is called that because it originally contained pepsin
and Pepsi-Cola sounds better than Pepsin Cola
\_ There is a third and perhaps fourth criterion that some
of use to decide whether to work at a place or not. One
is "are they going to be successful"? It sucks to spend
years of your life working on a failure. Also, you can
make a lot of money with stock options in a successful
company. Fourth, does it do anyone any good? I prefer to
work at companies where I can see the benefits of the
product the company offers. -ausman
\_ You can't predict success. If you could you'd be way
better off investing in individual stocks than working
for a single company for years. Does it do anyone
any good? I dunno. I haven't seen the market research
into whatever it is they do. I'm only saying that
dismissing a job opportunity because some temp in
marketing had a clever idea that quarter is a weak
reason to do so. Why is iAnywhere any better or worse
than "Snapfish" posted below which got no comments from
the peanut gallery?
\_ Because Snapfish is a good name?
\_ It is? What does it mean?
\_ I always figured it was like a snapper pussy.
That's what it sounds like to me. Not a bad
name as long as all you sell is sex toys.
\_ You keep worry about what a name means.
That's not what's important in a corporate
name. "eBay" doesn't mean anything, but it's
a highly successful identity. -tom
\_ So Pepsi and eBay are good names because
they're successful but iAnything is unlikely
to be successful because it has a bad name.
So if you're wrong and they're successful
does that magically make it a good name?
You're going in circles here.
\_ No, Pepsi and eBay are good names because
they're simple and distinctive. -tom
\_ eBay is a stupid name for a company.
\_ Pepsi is nothing special either. If
eBay had bombed, you'd say it was a
stupid name, as proved by it bombing.
A lot of dead dotcoms had simple and
distinctive names. Why are you so
obsessed with the idea that
name=success? Is your degree in
marketing?
\_ Unfortunately for you,
http://strawman.com is already taken.
-tom
\_ You were doing better when you
were silent instead of trying to
reply with something snarky
and almost clever.
\_ I think the original assertion was
"iAnywhere Solutions" is dumb
\_ Which was clarified to mean
"iAnywhere Solutions is going to
fail *because* it has a dumb
name".
\_ Clarified? I think that's
a biased extrapolation.
\_ Sheesh, go re-read what he
posted. No extrapolation
has occured.
\_ *shrug* I did -- maybe
you should too.
\_ i did before posting.
you really need
quotes?
\_ nope. Thanks,
though.
\_ He hasn't
shown up to
say otherwise.
I stand by it.
\_ Whatever
floats your
boat, dude.
\_ Maybe you can predict success and maybe you can't.
Of the three companies I have worked for any serious
length of time since graduation, two have gone
public and the third one (Wired) came damn close.
Until recently, I didn't have money to invest
so all I had was my time. And yes, I applied for a
job at Google (twice even!) but they turned me down.
But I agree with your basic premise, which is that
you should not dismiss a job opportunity just
because the company has a dumb name.
\_ Wired sold to Lycos for pennies. If you weren't
one of the top 2 execs or a founder's best
friend you got zippo. Google called me three
times (I never applied) but I guess I didn't
have the right "I'm in awe of all that is
Google" and didn't get an offer the first two.
After seeing the place the first two times, I
was certain I didn't want to be there and
rejected their offer the third time. I'm quite
happy with that decision. I've been at several
other companies that had 'good' names and
appeared to have good products but went nowhere.
You can't know how a small company will do. If
they're not public already, everything is a
secret and they'll lie through their teeth about
their situation. Dumb names: I still think
Google is a dumb geeky name, but according to
some on this thread, since they were successful,
it must be a good name.... And they think
*I'm* the troll... sheesh.
\_ Wired applied to go public twice in 96 and
even got to the pricing stage the second time
before being pulled. The other two are CPTH
and LGBT, both of which I started working for
in the pre-IPO stage. I agree that it is hard
to guess how a private company is doing but
I have had some luck. Probably dumb luck.
\_ I was at Wired, too. Did you have any
faith in Beth V.? She had nothing going.
\_ Who are you? Drop me a line or something.
No, I had no faith in anything any
of the execs there said, except perhaps
AA.
AA. -ausman
\_ Yeah, uh, don't worry about the name. "iAnywhere Solutions" is
a wholly owned subsidiary of "Sybase, Inc." Better? --dbushong
\_ Sybase is supposed to reassure people?
\_ What a stupid name for a company. :-) -John |
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