8/17 Dude, kchang, what's up with your motd archive? It's two weeks old!
\_ He got squished because he was using a script to finger soda
more than once a second to retrieve the motd without logging in.
He stopped the script.
\_ Why would closing his soda account prevent him from fingering
the machine? If the abuse was fingering then he should be
stopped from fingering. If the abuse was soda related then
his account should be terminated. I don't see a relationship
between the two events. This looks political/personal.
\_ my friend, 90% of the stuff that goes on in the real world
(outside of your nice little world) is based on politics,
personal favors, and vendetas. CSUA + EECS has been like
this since I was a freshman in the late 80s and it still
runs like this. The sooner you accept this the better off
you'll be.
\_ Ah, finally the true colors of the motd liberal come out.
Go 'nuanced' worldview go!
\_ That was most definitely not one of the numerous
motd liberals.
\_ How the hell could you know unless you wrote it?
Or is this just Bad->Republican && Republican->Bad
again?
\_ I don't personally use any archive and I don't see why anyone
would either. Most of it is filled with political trash from
ilyas|tom|aaron|few others that no one else ever cares about.
Why bother?
\_ Dude, you don't bathe either.Does that mean it's the standard?
\_ I'd bother because, on the contrary, I think there actually is
a variety of useful knowledge that flies through here now
and then. Over time it adds up to a lot, and being able to
search back for some item can be handy. The other reason is
that often I can no longer sit monitoring the motd every
5 minutes. Since stuff gets nuked so frequently, it's very
handy to be able to look in the archive to see what happened
to a thread, what replies a post received, or what entire
threads I might have missed.
\_ Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitchity-bitch!
I try to answer technical questions or whatever, when I feel
I am qualified, other than that I talk about what I find
interesting. If you don't like a thread, skip it. What have
YOU done to make motd a better and more useful place? Except
bitching, because that doesn't count. -- ilyas
\_ I'm with Ilyas on this one. If you don't like what others
have to say which obviously interests them or it wouldn't
be here 24x7, then just ignore it and don't participate.
Nothing stops you from making a world writable file in
/tmp or your home or on some other machine. There is
nothing sacred about the motd that says it can only be
used the way some people insist it must be.
\_ fine, maybe I'll just nuke it from time to time, just
like the time when ilyas and tom partially deleted
posts that they didn't like.
\_ no, it's not fine. you're saying the opposite
of what i suggested. do what you like but don't
try to put your nuking on my head.
\_ he got squished because he was stupid enough to bounce
his finger requests through a cgi on the EECS department
webserver multiple times/second in such a way as to make
root@eecs notice.
\_ which normally just gets a slap and a warning. i still
don't see how his outside activities have anything to do
with having a soda account.
\_ Normally, people who just got their accounts back
don't pull shit like this
\_ What shit? Since when was using "finger" such
a horrible offense? Since when was running
automated scripts that don't have any malicious
use a squishable offense. I don't really know
much about kchang. For all I know, he could be
a total freak. But I think this is just petty.
\_ especially when they originally got squished for
something very similar.
\_ how is it similar?
\_ I still see no relationship between his non-soda
account activity and getting his account terminated
and no one has attempted to explain the link.
\_ that's because your premise is ridiculous
\_ then it should be easily refuted which you
haven't done.
\_ that's because it's a strawman argument.
"Never argue with an idiot; he'll bring
you down to his level, and beat you with
experience."
\_ It isn't a strawman. You don't know
what that even means. I shall explain.
A strawman is when *I* would frame
*your* point as some weak statement
which *I* would then knock down. This
is not what I have done. It has been
stated many times that he was squished
for over doing it on the finger procs
but squishing him does not prevent him
from fingering anything. So we're
back where we started. He got squished
for petty personal reasons, not to
prevent him from doing anything and
didn't even get a warning for such a
trivial event. Unrelated but I find
it ridiculous that he could generate
enough traffic from UCLA to slog the
EECS network at UCB with just finger
a few times per second.
\_ What shit? Would you terminate his account if he
accumulated too many unpaid parking tickets? What
does fingering soda via eecs have to do with his
account being terminated? Nothing. He was just
being punished because some petty people who
dislike him could.
\_ Soda's net connection is through the good graces
of the EECS department, it is in our best interests
to keep them happy. I still don't know why
kchang insisted on 'bouncing' his finger requests
to soda off of an EECS machine, when he could have
just fingered soda directly, or transfered the motd
diffs via scp, or used his old cgi, or a million
different other ways. - danh
\_ And using one of the million different other
ways is better than using finger? If anything,
scp consumes more packet overhead than finger.
What's so horrible about finger? If he had
used scp or some old cgi, I'm sure someone
would have complained that kchang was
constantly sending scp or http requests to
csua. If finger was such an abuse, why don't
you tell us about it or disable the service?
\_ finger is fine. why didn't he finger soda directly
then, and not doing some lame early 90s
hacker shit and bouncing it off an EECS machine?
i still don't get it. - danh
\_ Someone pointed out in motd that he was using
finger. Being the paranoid spaz that he is,
he decided he needed to hide where the finger
was coming from
\_ How does squishing him prevent him from
doing what he was squished for? It doesn't.
Therefore squishing him is pointless and
personal.
\_ because when they squished him, they also
put a .nofinger which makes any 'fingering'
pointless, so he stopped
\_ yes it sucks. too bad nothing in the real
world is as black and white as yours.
soda is more like a consensual hallucination.
-danh
\_ thanks for not answering anything I said.
why did you bother replying at all?
\- it's simple, his squishage is all about personal vendettas. ask
tom holub, he'd know something about personal vendettas.
\_ and so do you, mister anonymous. did he fart on you
in E260 in 1990? - danh
\_ he farted on my best friend. he's no longer with us. :-)
\_ he farted on my best friend. she's no longer with us. :-)
\_ I think kchang has been unsorried again.
kchang:*:8710:100:Kevin
Chang,none,none,none:/home/apollo/kchang:/usr/local/bin/tcsh
\_ this is all so obvious if you twinks just learned to
to use /csua/bin/finger. For the Xth time, use the
godamn binary!!!
\_ You can't finger kchang since there is now a .nofinger
in his home dir
\_ Ah, so he's tired of people giving him the finger...
\_ you so funny
\_ /csua/bin/finger ignores ~/.nofinger, unlike
/usr/bin/finger.
The /etc/passwd entry is no guarantee of non-squish
status.
In any case, if you /csua/bin/finger him now, you
will see he has been unsquished. I wonder when
he finds out.
\_ He already has, my friend. He already has. |
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