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2004/7/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:32292 Activity:very high 60%like:32295
7/14     BUSH (& BLAIR) WIN AGAIN
        http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/25023.htm
        \_ Nice OPINION & EDITORIAL link, CAPITAL LETTERS boy.
           \_ Trouble reading?  The URL is clearly from the op/ed page.
              As if this is the first time an op/ed piece has been
              posted to the motd, genius.  Some of you knuckleheads are
              posting links from blogs as 'proof' of your points!  -!op
                \_ the NYPOST editorial pages are even more retarded
                   than most blogs.
                   \_ In your opinion.  And that's what this is all about:
                      opinion.  Since the NYP has greater readership than
                        \_ i read the nyp every day, you are a moron.
                           you obviously are not familiar with the history
                           of the NYPOST, or who owns and runs it,
                           or that they have been an even bigger journalistic
                           laughingstock than normal recently.
                \_ ok i'm trying to understand the NYPOST's spin on
                   lord higgins' report, i don't fully understand it yet.
                      any blog and people actually *pay* to read it and
                      other people get paid to write it, I'll take that over
                      some random blog spew anyday.  Are you really truly
                      seriously trying to claim that blogs are anything more
                      than raw unedited spewage?
                        \_ It's still dumb.  And OP's caps lock was stuck.
        \_ So... they weren't lying... they just don't like to read?
        \_ I bet you the guy who posted this likes to slam Michael Moore, too.
           Compared to the post he's fucking gospel.
           \_ FWIW, 'gospel' means "good news".
              \_ How about scripture?  I'm having thesaurus issues today,
                 sorry.
                 \_ writings
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www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/25023.htm
Reprint July 15, 2004 -- One year ago this week, Democratic politicians and much of the media were in a frenzy of Bush-bashing: They'd found the smoking gun proving that the president deceived America into waging war on Iraq. These 16 words from the 2003 State of the Union Address: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." Demonstrably false, they huffed, citing the claims of Joseph Wilson, a former diplomat sent by the CIA to Africa in 2002 to investigate the issue. A New York Times editorial raised sinister allegations of "a willful effort by the war camp in the administration to pump up an accusation that seemed shaky from the outset and that was pretty well discredited long before Mr Bush stepped into the well of the House of Representatives" to deliver his speech. Wilson himself wrote an op-ed piece for The Times, claiming that "it did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place." A bipartisan report of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence says so. As does the official British investigation, conducted by Lord Butler into that nation's pre-war intelligence and released yesterday. Both reports scorched intelligence failures leading up to the war. But both also concluded albeit to scant news coverage that British intelligence had indeed passed to the CIA credible data about Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium from the African nation of Niger. "It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999," according to the Butler report. "The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium compromises almost three-quarters of Niger's exports. True, the information did not substantiate that Saddam Hussein's people had actually obtained uranium but then, "the British government did not claim this." nuclear-weapons program, when United Nations inspection regimes were relaxed or sanctions were eroded or lifted." The Senate report was equally adamant: British and French intelligence reported separately to the CIA about Iraqi procurement efforts in Niger. As for Joseph Wilson, Senate probers discovered that not only didn't he debunk the story, he actually "lent more credibility to the original CIA reports on the uranium deal." How could he know that, Senate investigators asked, "when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports"? Confronted with this evidence, Wilson reportedly admitted he may have "misspoken" to the press. Actually, Bush's 16 words were hardly seen as significant when he first delivered them; they didn't even appear in most news reports of the speech. But they were magnified in importance only after it was learned that some of the documents given to the British justifying the reports were forgeries. Indeed, they were suddenly portrayed as the deciding factor in launching the war. And as for the forgeries, the Butler report concluded that British intelligence hadn't even seen them when it made its assessment, "so the fact of the forgery does not undermine it." But it wasn't George W Bush and it wasn't British Prime Minister Tony Blair. It goes without saying that America has not been well served by its spies before 9/11, and since. Even fully functional intelligence agencies have a hard time sorting the truth from the background noise but national leaders have to make policy choices, anyway. This is not to suggest for a moment that the president and the prime minister didn't ultimately make the correct choice on Iraq. The two reports at issue simply underscore how difficult a decision it must have been.