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| 2004/6/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:30994 Activity:very high 57%like:33376 50%like:33798 |
6/24 New CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll!
Most Americans now think the Iraq war wasn't worth it, was a mistake,
and made America *less* safe from terrorism (55% less safe, 37% safer,
6% no change, 2% on opinion), AND, Bush would still make a better
commander in chief, AND Bush leads by a statistically insignificant
amount among likely voters.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypolls.htm
\_ Ok, and?
\_ American people are stupid and clueless from the start.
\_ No. It is a comparison. It says that despite whatever
mistakes a number of people feel Bush has made, they
still believe he would be better than Kerry. It does
not say they believe he is doing a great job. Just
better than Kerry and *that* is what wins elections.
\_ one small change to what you wrote:
it's "better commander in chief" where Bush leads,
not "who would you vote for for President", which is
where they are tied.
\_ I stand corrected. No problem. So my followup
is that being a better commander in chief is not
the only thing people are using to decide their
votes. The idea that the American people are
clueless and stupid is not backed by this poll.
\_ World would be even more blowed up if Kerry was
President.
\_ And, the poll URL ("Poll: Iraq a mistake") disappears off the
http://cnn.com front page. Story of 100+ people dying and 300+ wounded
in 1 day in Iraq is moved down. New lead story: NASA's future.
\_ Uh huh, and...?
\_ Do I really need to say it?
\_ Say what, exactly? Stale news gets moved aside in favor
of less stale news. Hello? Information age?
\_ Actually it got moved back up to the front page today.
Guess they didn't want to be accused of burying this,
when they had prominent stories on all previous
CNN/USA Today/Gallup polls. Guess they also want
to appear non-partisan, but not piss off the Bushies
too much. I really doubt it has to do with "stale"
news, especially since the original story had been
released 8:30pm Eastern Thursday night.
\_ Be serious. CNN's news portal is a business, a
business that gauges success by the number of
clicks. You bet your ass they keep track of which
articles are being clicked on, and when that
click-rate drops below a certain threshold, new
stories are rotated in. I think you *drastically*
overestimate the degree of politicization.
\_ I basically agree with this; I don't think
mainstream news outlets care that much about
what they're reporting, but they do pander to
what people will want to hear/read. Except in
cases like talk about media mergers, where the
reporting is all on the side of how great they
are.
The idea that the media is biased towards liberal
is totally ridiculous, but I don't buy into
the vast right wing media conspiracy either. -tom
\_ this is exactly why I don't understand people kept saying that
news media has a liberal bias. At least for TV media, if
anything, the bias seems favors republicans.
\_ How is splashing the death of 100 Iraqis across CNN, when
8000 Americans die daily of cancer, heart disease, and
doctor error, not liberal bias?
\_ Are you trolling? Or are you really that dense?
\_ If you don't have a real response, just don't say
anything. Leave space for those who have a response.
You're wasting precious bits.
\_ I agree with op. You are trolling, dewd.
\_ Hey "dewd", that was my first entry on this
thread. I didn't post the part about 8000 vs 100
dying. So at best it is 2:2. And there's still
no reaponse of any note. This is all bullshit
meta-response.
\_ OK, on the off chance you're not trolling...
It's not liberal bias because the job of the news
media is only to report stories that are newsworthy.
100 people dying in Iraq in a single day is a news
event. 8000 people dying of heart disease and cancer
is an everyday event, and hence not news. Is it
right wing bias for the news to not report the
hundreds of Americans killed by handgun violence
everyday? No it's not. Individual events might be
news, but a general trend is not.
\_ Soldiers returning from Iraq are much more
terrified of Iraq portrayed in the news here
in this country, than they are there patrolling
the streets. Are the thousands of construction
projects carried out by our soldiers (patching
homes, re-opening schools, delivering supplies,
etc. covered by our news media day to day? They
are not, thus combined with continuous reports
of casualties, we get results from "polls" where
Americans ask "[Why are we there?]" We're there
*nation* *building*. When you clear a nest of
hornets, you're going to get stung many times.
This is the greatness of America, we are strong
and rich because this is one of the last nations
not drowning in corruption. Any of the soliders
are worth 100 times any CSUAer myself included.
So splashing a statistically insignificant
number of deaths, and not reporting the
thousands of good things that happen every day
is liberal bias, IMHO.
\_ That's not liberal bias for the reasons
outlined above. 100 Iraqis dying in a single
day is unusual, and hence, newsworthy. Things
being rebuilt in Iraq is an everyday occurance
and hence not newsworthy.
\_ An everyday un-reported occurrence.
\_ An everyday un-reported occurrence. When
things like thousands of positive daily
news events go un-reported, and deaths
and casualties lead the news nightly,
then "polls" become worthless.
\_ "If it bleeds, it leads" has been the
motto of news editors for as long as I
can remember. If you want news of the
Army's good deeds read Stars and Stripes.
As for the worth of polls, they tell us
what the public thinks, not what is the
true state of the world.
\_ I don't think people have a problem with the
current "Why are we there?" (nation building),
but "we shouldn't have been there in the first
place." Myself included, there are many
who are, and were against our involvement, but
aren't screaming to bring the trooops home NOW
\_ "100+ Iraqis die in single day of attacks; meanwhile,
8,000 Americans died of cancer, heart diseases, doctor
error. Fair and balanced, from Fox News!" |
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| www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypolls.htm com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypollsh tm/8914/VerticalBanner/21344_Thrifty_Summer__10031/agate_160x600_rosh tm/38336233653035383430646233653830? USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll results 1 How much thought have you given to the upcoming election for president -- quite a lot, or only a little? Quite a lot Some Only a little None No opinion National Adults 2004 Jun 21-23 66 3 28 3 * 2004 Jun 3-6 67 4 26 3 * 2004 May 21-23 64 4 29 2 1 2004 May 7-9 64 4 27 4 1 2004 May 2-4 64 4 30 2 * 2004 Mar 5-7 62 3 32 3 * 2004 Jan 2-5 45 2 48 4 1 2 If Massachusetts Senator John Kerry were the Democratic Party's candidate and George W Bush were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for? Kerry Bush Neither Other No opinion Likely Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 48 49 1 * 2 2003 Jun 3-6 50 44 2 1 3 2004 May 21-23 49 47 1 * 3 2004 May 7-9 47 48 2 1 2 2004 Mar 5-7 52 44 2 1 1 2004 Feb 16-17 55 43 1 * 1 2004 Jan 9-11 43 55 1 * 1 Registered Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 49 45 2 1 3 2004 Jun 3-6 49 44 3 * 4 2004 May 21-23 48 46 2 * 4 2004 May 7-9 50 44 3 * 3 2004 Mar 5-7 50 45 2 1 2 2004 Feb 16-17 51 46 2 * 1 2004 Jan 9-11 40 57 2 -- 1 National Adults 2004 Jun 21-23 48 46 2 1 3 2004 Jun 3-6 48 44 4 * 4 2004 May 21-23 48 44 4 * 4 2004 May 7-9 51 43 3 * 3 2004 Mar 5-7 50 45 3 * 2 2004 Feb 16-17 51 44 3 * 2 2004 Jan 9-11 40 57 2 -- 1 3A. Is there any chance you would vote for John Kerry in the November election or is there no chance whatsoever that you would vote for him? Is there any chance you would vote for George W Bush in the November election or is there no chance whatsoever that you would vote for him? Kerry Voter Summary: Strong Kerry Weak Kerry Potential Kerry No chance whatsoever No opinion Likely Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 42 6 8 44 * Registered Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 41 8 12 38 1 National Adults 2004 Jun 21-23 40 8 12 39 1 Bush Voter Summary: Strong Bush Weak Bush Potential Bush No chance whatsoever No opinion Likely Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 43 6 7 43 1 Registered Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 36 9 11 43 1 National Adults 2004 Jun 21-23 37 9 11 43 * Group Definitions: Strong: Voting for candidate and say no chance vote for opponent. Weak: Voting for candidate and say some chance vote for opponent. Potential: Voting for opponent or undecided, but say some chance vote for candidate. No chance: Voting for opponent or undecided and say no chance vote for candidate. Kerry Bush Nader None Other No opinion Likely Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 47 48 3 * * 2 2004 Jun 3-6 49 43 5 * 1 2 2004 May 21-23 47 46 4 1 * 2 2004 May 7-9 45 47 5 2 -- 1 2004 Mar 5-7 50 44 2 1 1 2 Registered Voters 2004 Jun 21-23 46 45 6 * 1 2 2004 Jun 3-6 45 42 7 1 1 4 2004 May 21-23 46 44 6 1 * 3 2004 May 7-9 46 41 7 3 * 3 2004 Mar 5-7 47 45 5 1 * 2 National Adults 2004 Jun 21-23 45 45 6 1 1 2 2004 Jun 3-6 44 42 8 2 1 3 2004 May 21-23 46 42 6 2 1 3 2004 May 7-9 46 41 8 3 * 2 2004 Mar 5-7 47 44 5 1 1 2 5 Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W Bush is handling his job as president? B The situation in Iraq Approve Disapprove No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 ^ 42 56 2 2004 Jun 3-6 41 57 2 2004 May 7-9 ^ 41 58 1 2004 May 2-4 42 55 3 2004 Jan 2-5 61 36 3 2003 Jul 25-27 60 38 2 2003 APR 14-16 76 21 3 2003 Jan 3-5 55 40 5 ^ Asked of half sample. Based on 484 National Adults in Form A C Terrorism Approve Disapprove No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 ^ 54 44 2 2004 Jun 3-6 56 43 1 2004 May 7-9 ^ 54 43 3 2004 May 2-4 52 45 3 2004 APR 16-18 60 39 1 2003 Dec 5-7 65 33 2 2003 Jan 31-Feb 2 71 26 3 2002 May 20-22 ^ 83 13 4 2002 Mar 20-22 86 12 2 ^ Asked of a half sample WORDING: US military action abroad to fight terrorism. Based on 484 National Adults in Form A 7 Next, regardless of which presidential candidate you support, please tell me if you think John Kerry or George W Bush would better handle each of the following issues. A The economy Kerry Bush Same No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 ^ 53 40 1 6 2004 May 7-9 ^ 54 40 1 5 2004 Mar 5-7 50 42 2 6 ^ Asked of half sample. Based on 521 National Adults in Form B For results based on this sample, the maximum margins of sampling error are 5 percentage points. B The situation in Iraq Kerry Bush Same No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 ^ 46 47 1 6 2004 May 7-9 ^ 45 48 1 6 2004 Mar 5-7 39 54 2 5 ^ Asked of half sample. Based on 521 National Adults in Form B C Terrorism Kerry Bush Same No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 ^ 40 54 1 5 2004 May 7-9 ^ 38 55 1 6 2004 Mar 5-7 33 60 2 5 ^ Asked of half sample. Based on 521 National Adults in Form B 8 Next, we'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. Commander- in-chief Handling the economy Managing the government No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 23 41 32 4 10. Who do you trust more to handle the responsibilities of commander-in-chief: John Kerry, or George W Bush? Kerry Bush Both equally Neither No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 43 51 1 3 2 Based on 484 National Adults in Form A 11. Do you think George W Bush and John Kerry can or cannot handle the responsibilities of commander-in-chief? A George W Bush Yes, can No, cannot No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 61 35 4 B John Kerry Yes, can No, cannot No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 61 30 9 Based on 521 National Adults in Form B 12. Would you say you and your family are better off now than you were four years ago, or are you worse off now? Better off Worse off Same No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 49 36 14 1 1984 Jul 27-30 44 26 28 2 1984 Jun 29-Jul 2 48 25 26 1 13. Do you think there was enough information available so that the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 could have been prevented, or not? Yes, was No, was not No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 33 59 8 2002 May 20-22 25 63 12 14. Overall, how much do you blame each of the following for the September 11th terrorist attacks -- a great deal, a moderate amount, only a little, or not at all? A The Bush administration A great deal Moderate amount Only a little Not at all No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 17 25 23 34 1 2002 Jun 7-8 9 23 26 40 2 2002 May 16 ^ 7 22 26 43 2 2001 Sep 14-15 9 25 20 44 2 ^ Based on one night poll. Polls conducted entirely in one day, such as this one, are subject to additional error or bias not found in polls conducted over several days. B The Clinton Administration A great deal A moderate amount Only a little Not at all No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 13 27 24 34 2 2001 Sep 14-15 16 29 18 34 3 Asked of a half sample. All in all, do you think it was worth going to war in Iraq, or not? Worth it Not worth it No opinion 2004 Jun 21-23 46 51 3 2004 May 7-9 ^ 44 54 2 2004 APR 16-18 ^ 52 46 2 2004 Mar 26-28 56 41 3 2004 Jan 29-Feb 1 49 49 2 2004 Jan 9-11 59 38 3 2003 DEC 15-16 ^ 65 33 2 2003 Nov 14-16 56 42 2 2003 Oct 24-26 54 44 2 2003 Sep 8-10 58 40 2 2003 Aug 25-26 63 35 2 2003 Jul 25-27 63 34 3 2003 Jun 27-29 56 42 2 2003 APR 9 cS 76 19 5 2003 Mar 24-25 68 29 3 ^ Asked of a half sample. WORDING: All in all, do you think the situation in Iraq was worth going to war over, or not? WORDING: All in all, do you think the current situation in Iraq is worth going to war over, or not? cS Polls conducted entirely in one day, such as this one, are subject to additional error or bias not found in polls conducted over several days. In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not? Yes No No opinion Iraq 2004 Jun 21-23 54 44 2 2004 Jun 3-6 41 58 1 2004 May 7-9 44 54 2 2004 APR 16-18 42 57 1 2004 Jan 12-15 42 56 2 2003 Oct 6-8 40 59 1 2003 Mar 24-25 23 75 2 Afghanistan 2002 Jan 7-9 6 93 1 2001 Nov 8-11 9 89 2 Yugoslavia 1999 Jun 4-5 43 53 4 1999 APR 21 42 51 7 Persian Gulf War 1991 Jul 18-21 15 82 3 1991 Feb 28-Mar 3 10 87 3 1991 Feb 7-10 21 76 3 Vietnam War 2000 Nov 13-15 69 24 7 1995 APR 21-24 71 23 6 1990 Mar 15-18 74 22 4 1973 Jan 12-15 60 29 11 Korean War 2000 Jun 6-7 34 47 19 1953 Jan 11-16 36 50 14 1951 APR 16-21 37 45 18 AFGHANISTAN WORDING: Do you think the United States made a mistake in sending military forces to Afghanistan, or not? YUGOSLAVIA WORDING: In view of the developments since we entered the fighting in Yugoslavia, do you th... |
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