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11/4    http://www.giantleap.org/envision/pr4.htm
        http://www.fairvote.org
        End the 2 party system.
        \_ Yes it's a much better system. Now if I could see something
           indicating how to do it. Changes to the Constitution are
           ...difficult. San Francisco enacting the instant runoff system
           was a hopeful thing to see, though.
        \_ Fuck that noise.  The two party system has given us a stable and
           functional government for 200+ years.  What?  You want something
           like what Italy has?  Get stuffed.
           \_ They done brain-washed you real good.
        \_ Strangely enough, most reasonably stable democracies I can think
           of tend towards a two party system, both of which tend to gravitate
           very close towards each other, except in times of economic crisis
           (take Turkey), at which point they get replaced by...another two
           parties.  France, Germany, the UK, Russia, Italy, Spain, Israel...
           there's usually a rightist and a leftist party, wich some smaller
           ones sniping from the sidelines.  The only difference being that
           the countries with parliamentary as opposed to three-branch systems
           of government tend to see coalitions with a whole bunch of smaller
           parties... -John
           \_ You are right, and the two parties "gravitate" as close together
              as possible.  Just like gas stations. -crebbs
           \_ Does parliamentary necessarily equal proportional representation
              by party?  i.e. by "parliamentary systems" do you mean those
              Where if a party gets 10% of the vote it gets 10% of the reps?
              And is that a common understanding of "parliamentary" versus
              US-style democracy??
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Proportional Representation Offers a Third Choice by Steven Hill This article was published in the Seattle Times, November 1992 It's election season again, and many voters groan as we engage in the familiar routine of selecting the lesser of two evils. Not surprisingly, many begin to clamor for a third party, whether Green, Labor, United We Stand America, Democratic Socialist or NOW. A solution is in sight, and it's called proportional representation. Surprisingly, scant little attention has been given to this tried-and-true passage out of the mud wrestling pit of our current political paralysis. Neither the mainstream press nor eve n the progressive/alternative press in the United States has given more than a passing mention, out of the reams that are printed daily, to the possibilities presented by that other type of odd electoral system that is already in use by, well, most of the world's major democracies. The shortage of choices offered by the two parties in the United States is a by-product of our "winner take all" electoral system. In contrast, most of the world's major democracies employ a different type of electoral system called proportional representation. Under PR, legislative seats are allocated from multi-seat, at-large districts in proportion to the number of votes received by political parties or candidates. A party or candidate need not co me in first to win seats. Voters sense this, and so we often do not vote for a c andidate we like, but rather the one who realistically stands the best chance of winning. No wonder that, among the 21 democracies in Western Europe and North America, the United States is next to last i n voter turnout, with only 36% participating in the 1994 Congressional elections, and only 55% in the 1992 presidential election. Since voters in PR systems aren't so concerned about whether their candidates or party "win" the election, voters are more inclined to vote for whomever they like the most. As a result, there are more political parties and choices, from both the right an d left wings of the political spectrum; Only about 11% of our Congresspeople are women, compared with 41% in Sweden, 39% in Norway, and 26% in Germany. Why settle for a two party duopoly, with both parties so beholden to Big Money that you can barely tell the difference between them? Why then, should we have to settle for just two options in politics? Our "winner-take-all" system, which was inherited two centuries ago from Great Britain, is outdated. And significantly, not one of the former Soviet Bloc countries, including Russia, have chosen to model their emerging democracies after the "winner take all" model. All have adopted some form of PR because they recognize the obvious: PR is a fairer, more flexible, more modern electoral system than the antiquated "winner take all" style. Instead of each district electing its own legislator, PR elects several legislators from larger super-districts. In each state, the various legislative districts would be combined together into one state-wide district or, for the la rger states, appropriate sub-divisions. Then, all national and state representatives within these super-districts are elected by one of several methods currently in use in various countries that ensures proportional representation. Let's say, for exampl e, there are ten legislative seats to be filled: a party or independent candidate would need ten percent of all votes to gain a seat. Thus, if a party receives 50% of the vote, they would be awarded 5 out of the 10 seats; Proportional representation assures that each political party or organization will have the percent of legislative seats which reflects its public support. And this basic electoral change can be accomplished without any constitutional amendments. Using the voter initiative process, PR can be adapted to local, state and national levels, bringing the democratic promise of "one person, one vote" closer to fulfillment. We need to replace our antiquated "winner take all" electoral system with proportional representation. There have been over one thousand third party efforts in the past two hundred years, all of which but one-- the Republican Party-- have ended in fail ure and obscurity. Without PR, third parties and candidates don't stand a chance of winning legislative seats in the United States. The type of electoral system used is extremely important because it determines how our votes translate into actual political power. As we head into the 21st century, the United States needs a pluralistic political system that will both reflect the divers ity of our population and also allow our country to meet the complex challenges of a multicultural, multi-issue, international world. Change is always scary, but we can take heart in the fact that much of the democratic world has already gone ahead of us.
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