3/5 VOTE!
\_ Does it really make a difference if a few people here and
there don't vote?
\_ have you been asleep since 2000?
\_ It's called sarcasm.
\_ Every felon and illegal alien must vote or their rights will be
trampled upon! They might be put in prison or kicked out of the
country! They should vote and vote and vote some more! Like
a few places where Gore got %106 of the registered voters! Now
*that* is true democracy in action!
\_ Don't you know, when you vote democrat its democracy in
action!
\_ You lame-asses think you're funny but you're not.
Something like 30% of black people in Florida can't
vote because of left-over policies from post-Civil War
preventing convicted criminals from voting. You think
that would've swayed the election?
\_ Bullshit. There are states all over this nation that
don't allow felons to vote. If you can't get it right
don't come here and fucking LIE. It has nothing to do
with being black or the civil war, you twit. It has to
do with voting being a right of full citizenship and
a convicted felon is someone who has chosen to give up
some of those rights which also include things like
freedom of movement. Take the hint, race baiter.
\_ Your ignorance is sadenning and your bitterness
indicative of the fact that you'd rather not talk
about real issues. Who is baiting whom?
You are right that Florida is not the only state
to ban felons from voting-- there something like
12 (mainly southern... read racist) states that
still uphold this practice. Florida was mentioned
because this was one instance were the 30% of
inelligible blacks would most definately have made a
difference. It is common knowledge that Republicans
want less people to vote because it helps them
win... and this is just another way to acheive that.
... and to say that it is not a race issue, all you
have to do is look at who is convicted of more
felonies in this country.
\_ Why should convicted felons be allowed to vote?
Do you really think that society would be better
if we let convicted criminals influence the
electoral process?
And of all those black people who were convicted
of a felony, do you really believe that the vast
majority of them were false convictions?
\_ We let them out of jail didn't we? Noone is
talking about letting inmates vote. But isn't
the point of a prison sentence to serve time
and return to society? Being a member of
society means being represented... which
means you should have the right to vote.
\_ Like having the right to vote against
laws that will put you behind bars for
doing the same shit that landed you in
prison the first time? Hmm.
\_ cute.
\_ in regards to the 2nd point, no, clearly
the vast majority are not "false
convictions." However, (1) post Civil War
when these felon disenfranchisment laws
were made, in many southern states,
felonies were extended to many many things
including such things as "loitering",
allowing the laws to be unevenly enforced
by racist law enforcement. Many of these
laws (like the disenfranchisement) are
still on the books. (2) You need to
consider the bigger picture. I'm not
saying, "blacks are always falsely
convicted of felonies." I'm saying "Why
are blacks convicted of so many felonies?"
\_ Blacks are convicted of so many felonies
because blacks commit many felonies?
Is it politically incorrect to state
the obvious?
\_ Divide society into several groups.
Now say that in each group, the
number of people who commit crimes
is epsilon. It seems that epsilon
is about the same for all groups
except blacks. And he wants to know
why. It is a legitimate question.
\_ Granted there are many such laws on
the books, but do you really think that
someone is going to get convicted of
a felony loitering if all he was doing
was loitering? I see nothing wrong with
convicting a person for felony loitering
if he was also guilty of some other
serious crime for which there was
insufficient evidence. Its like putting
capone away for tax evasion.
As far as the "why blacks are convicted"
bit, maybe they are convicted because
they commit more crimes? I don't buy
the bs that society programmed them to
do this sort of thing. Do unto others
isn't all that hard to understand.
\_ In response to above two posts...
fine then... you are just creating
another level of indirection. The
question then simply becomes "Why
do blacks commit so many more
felonies?"
This thread has become long and
unwieldy... perhaps we should take
it off the motd. - rory
\_ It's alright to say it.
\_ huh?
\_ The obvious answer to "why
blacks commit more crimes."
\_ oh right... yeah, this
is generally the point
in the discussion where
people go, "shit, I
should go join the KKK
or shut-up."
(notice the replies
dried up)
\_ i'm sure statistically it didn't matter that much
but Florida was one of two states that hired
a private company to go through voter rolls, find felons
and mail them that they couldn't vote. yes this was legal,
but in several cases, they were wrong, picked people
who had the legal right to vote, and they showed
up at the polling place and told they couldn't vote.
imagine if you were told you could not longer vote, you
didn't vote, then you find out later it was all a mistake?
i'd be incredibly pissed. salon did several articles on
this. - danh [motd format daemon]
\_ Or imagine you're in the military and your perfectly
ballot delivered in a perfectly legal and timely manner
was thrown away by an elections official? You voted,
you voted legally, you were legally entitled to vote,
your ballot arrived on time, and then your ballot was
tossed out. Salon did not do several articles on this.
\_ Maybe because it didn't happen.
\_ It happened in several south florida
counties but was under reported. |
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