11/18   anyone see the Leonids? what time is good?
        \_ Caught one on a smoke break last night. about 12:30am
        \_ http://Space.com says 1 a.m. PST, but don't expect more than a dozen per
           hour, since the comet in question has all but left the area.

11/18   J. Crew magazine has nothing but blond Caucasians and occasionally
        very white looking darked haired people. Why are they not getting
        sued by blacks, hispanics, Asians like Abercrombie and Fitch?

11/18   J. Crew magazine has nothing but the superier Ayran race. Why
        are they not getting sued by greedy nigers, chinks, and beaners
        like Abercrombie and Fitch?

11/17   Is this new $457 undergrad fee increase per year or per semester?
        \_ Silly sodan, no undergrads read the motd.

11/17   Yea!  I can finally log on again.
        \_ And how many more hours until we're hozed again?
        \_ WHAT the fuck is going on. Is this still EECS network prob's?
           \_ Maybe.  I called the office and asked why I couldn't log
              onto soda, nksighn answered and went to the root cave.
              About 2 minutes later I was able to log on.  I assume
              someone in the root cave fixed it. (I was also unable to log
              onto my research machine at Berkeley.) -jrleek
              \_ last says that soda was shut down around 9:45.  Sounds like
                 nksighn probably just booted it up.  --scotsman
                 \_ /etc/motd.official said it crashed because of bad disk.
                    \_ Check wall for pretty complete breakdown. --scotsman
                    \_ C'mon, baby, stay up long enough for me to back every-
                       thing up....

11/17   What happened to <DEAD>webcat.berkeley.edu<DEAD> ?!??
        \_ what is <DEAD>webcat.berkeley.edu<DEAD>?
             \_ iirc it is where the recorded class lectures were. -top
                \_ webcast, twink.

11/17   Starwars laserbeam to become reality:
        http://csua.org/u/a06 (cnn.com)
        \_ It can't be, TMD is a fraud!!! Noooo!!!

11/14   Any advice on shorting Fannie Mae, home of the Dem.
        sinecure?

11/16   Around when can I find satsuma tangerines in Oakland Chinatown for
        under $1/lb.?  Are they available cheap yet?
        \_ I have a tree and the fruit is not ripe yet. It will be another
           month or so.

11/16   spanish kid who carried explosives in Madrid train explosion
        only gets 5 years in juvi? he killed 191 people..
        \_ i've always thought the american taliban marin county guy
           who got 20 years was awesome, he was able to penetrate
           the taliban and join up, way better than any CIA agent. - danh
           \_ like I said, the US spends billions of dollars on spy
              equipments like automated electronic bug, database
              with AI for abnormal communications, deep penetrating
              radio probes, IR window listener, etc, yet, the Brits
              Israelis, etc only need to spend a fraction of that
              money on spies.
        \_ Supposedly he's just a member of a gang which sold illegal
           explosives, and he didn't know anything about the terrorist plot.
           He's not the one carrying explosives on the train.  (He's still
           alive after all.)  Although 5 years is still too little.

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        \_ I'm sorry, did I break the ribbon on your teletype?

11/16   I want to attach some acrylic pieces to glass. What's the best
        way to do this, silicone "glue"?

11/15   Will no one rid me of these meddlesome Rolex spams?

11/15   Lines longer than 80col deleted.
        \_ I'm sorry, did I break the ribbon on your teletype?

11/12   Faces of the fallen: link:tinyurl.com/qip1

11/12   http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/casualties/facesofthefallen.htm

11/12   What is wrong with pocket protectors?
         \_ Nothing, they are the fashion of choice amongst nerds and geeks.
            Fellow geeks and nerds of the world unite!
            \_ do non geeks/nerds wear them?
               \_ Only during Halloween.
            \_ does it serve much of a practical purpose?
               \_ It used to when pens were more likely to leak.
                  \_  I Wear pens on my person at all times, including
                      outside and in bad weather, occasionally under
                      water, etc.  I've *never* had a pen leak problem.
                      I use uniballs.  They rule.  Even if the pen leaks ink
                      into the cap, the cap seals to the main part of the
                      pen well enough to prevent spillage.
                      \_ If you can, fork out for a good pen.  It's kind of
                         vain, but so what--it won't leak and it'll give you
                         something expensive-looking to play with in
                         meetings.
                         \_  I have a good pen.  Uniball vision fine.  It
                             writes great, survives any abuse you can imagine,
                             *and* happens to be affordable.  I'll bet the
                             cost of your suit-and-tie-guy pen that I use my
                             pen more than you use yours, and I know what the
                             fuck I'm talking about. Uniball Vision: the
                             AK-47 of pens.
                             \_ In other words, it's a cheap, common, easily
                                acquired piece of shit that has no style and
                                marks you out a socially clueless dork?
                                OK!
                             \_ Reading this, I was like "Hmm... I really like
                                my disposable pens.  I wonder what kind they
                                are.  Hey!"

11/12   Has anybody used PVFS2? Good/bad experiences? --psb

11/11   Get A BRAIN! MORANS
        GO USA

11/11   what does "ping" mean in the context of a free republic
        page? - danh
        \_ I think it's some sort of popularity ranking thing.

11/11   Would the idiots running motd merge/restore scripts please at least
        make sure they are working correctly?

11/10   What ipfw rules do I need to let passive ftp to go through?  (I mean
        on the client side.)

11/10   I think I found my favorite loser on http://www.sorryeverybody.com
        http://www.sorryeverybody.com/upload_files/se1943.jpg
        Now THAT'S a loser.

11/9    Frontline has an excellent analysis of political and commercial
        marketing called the Persuaders.  Check it out.  It basically
        sounds like the answer to Wired's "Decline of Brands" article.
        \_ Link?

11/9    I AM SPARTACUS!
        \_ Soda is haunted!  The dead post!
           \_ Must be that thar stem cell research.

11/8    How do I tell a WinXP box to run a defragmenter every night at 3AM?
        It's not showing up in 'Scheduled tasks'.  Thanks.

11/8    Does anyone know of a reliable plastics shop/dealer in the LA area?
                \_ other than TAP, since TAP is only in the Bay Area.
                   \_ I'd try TAP.
        \_ I bet BUD DAY knows where to find a reliable plastics dealer in the
           LA area.
        \_ <insert obligatory 'The Graduate' joke>
           \_ I'd TAP yer mom in a heartbeat!
              \_ nice.

10/8    Any recommendations for software similar to gallery but:
        a) distinct namespace for each user's albumns
        b) more intuitive and attractive UI/ navigation

11/8    Was there a noticeably affect or a noticeable effect on the speed?
        \_ Huh?  If this is a grammar question, "affect" usually is used as
           a verb, and "effect" usually is used as a noun.

11/7    Whoa.  Aaron on craiglist:
        http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/47785163.html
        \_ Who was this?
           http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/por/47755650.html
           \_ Related:
              http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/P/Pete-Seeger/Draft-Dodger-Rag.html

11/8    so /var/mail is starting to fill up again - can we do something
        about this?
        \_ 100MB quota's!!!
        \_ there is lots you can do.  You can start with rm $MAIL... or
           donate new disk.

11/7    Seeing LoTR on TV really reveals just how overrated the trilogy is.
        Just a bunch of really neat visuals that distract you from the
        horrible horrible acting.
        \_ get over it, Kerry lost. live with it..
        \_ i wasn't aware acting changes from big screen to little.
           \_ that's because you're a fucking moron
              \_ Hi tom!
                 \_ Hi aaron!
                 \_ wrong moron. -tom
                 \_ Hi aaron!
                    \_ Tom is the other moron.
                    \_ Best.  One-byte.  Modification.  Ever!
                       \_ ok tnx. --original one-byte modifier
                       \_ Who want's the pleasure of ilyasing this thread?
                          \_ Free markets don't really work, guns are bad,
                             israel sucks!  bring it on!
                          \_ Foolish human.  You can't ilyas individual
                             threads.  You ilyas entire civiliza^Wmotds.
                               -- ilyas
                             \_ Whew.  I didn't want to be ilyased.

11/5    How many sodans work at Pixar?
        \_ According to soda logs, aubie and suzuki.
        \_ You could just look at the credits and do name searches... -=Aubie

11/6    Fuck you all. You destroyed America.
        \_ America is far from destroyed, you reactionary shithead -- and this
           attitude accomplishes nothing aside from demonstrating your unfitness
           to participate in the political system.       -moderate democrat

nuked because you ilyad my message

11/5    The "insurgents" are now being called "rebels" in the BBC.  Is this
        a new development?
        \_ Yes. Soon they will be referring to the Americans as "The
           Galactic Empire" and Saddam's Regime as the "Old Republic."
        \_ No.  -John
        \_ I prefer the term 'freedom fighters'

11/05   Gay mice have more fertile moms.
        http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/proc_bio_content/abstracts/corna.html

11/5    Has the battle of Fallujah begun already?
        \_ No, the official battle begins after Ramadan, in 10 days.
           Currently we are softening up the area from the air, as usual
           strategy.  LOCK AND LOAD!

11/04  Keyes comment deleted out of order, therefore I "ilyas"'d the motd

11/4    The following is just a troll.  I doubt if the poster is actually
        Chinese or anyway feel strongly about it.

11/4    Those nice Canadians: http://www.marryanamerican.ca

11/4    Does the KKK openly endorse candidates?
        How about NRA? The Amish? Michigan Militia?
        \_ no.  yes.  no.  no.
           \_ Who do the Amish endorse?  Bush I guess?
              \_ Whichever candidate looks best on TV.
                 \_ Amish don't watch TV.
                    \_ Here's a nickel.  Go buy yourself a sense of humor.

11/4    I have a Dedicated box at a colo facility that I am nmaping.  Each
        time I nmap it i get a *different* list of ports that are listed
        as being "filtered", My iptables is set to allow all so *I* ain't
        filtering them, at least not on purpose.  What could be the deal?

11/04   Once again Cham hits close to home on the motd:
        http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/comics.php
        \_ Yeah, and what if the 59 mil don't feel they should change?

11/4    James Carville vs. Karl Rove.
        Who'll win?

11/03   Soda went down for about 30 minutes @ 21:37 to attach more disk.

11/3    Anyone have a user id for democraticunderground so I can lurk?
        They shut down the forums again.  Thanks.

11/3    Someone's overwriting and it ain't me.

11/3    Poll - Who is the hottest?
        Jenna   : .
        Barbara :
        (the young one, not the senior one)
        Vanessa :
        Edwards : .
        \_ What about poor Alex?
        Edwards : .
        \_ Jenna is too fat. Between Barbara and Edwards, well neither are
           "hot" but Barbara had a cute smile when she gave her speeches.
           \_ Where's the motd chubby chaser when you need him?

11/3    Sidney Blumenthal column that sums it all up for me.
        "The Right God"
        http://csua.org/u/9sh (http://www.salon.com advertising rigamarole, blah
        blah blah)
        \_ If you actually believe this, no wonder you lost.

11/3    [ HEY.  NO SECRET SERVICE.  FUCK OFF, FUCKTARD. ]

11/3    [ Apparently you aren't aware of what happens when you make an
          assassination threat.  Freedom of speech my ass.  No Secret Service
          after Soda, please. ]

11/3    Well, guess the liberals like to nuke the motd when they lose...

11/3    So, wtf?  Were we just dressed like we wanted it or what?
        \_ What?
           \_ He means that all Americans just got raped.
              \_ With tentacles, no less.

11/3    Did Puerto Rico citizens get to vote yesterday?  Thx.

11/3    Worked the polls yesterday.  Big rush from 6:50 to 10:00 a.m., and
        then bupkis.  Nada.  Trickles of people for the rest of the day, and
        no mad rush at 5 p.m.  380 electronic voters, 82 absentee ballots, and
        87 provisional ballots.  Very few questions on the Diebolds.  Most
        voters were late 20s to late 40s, with a skew toward the retiree group
        (since we were working out of the garage of a retirement home).  Oldest
        voter: 91.5, and pretty damn spry.  Overall: exhausting, but
        fulfilling.  Please consider volunteering next time. --erikred
        \_ Where did you volunteer? (city/state)

11/2    So how does one get a citizenship in Canada? Do I need an
        actual residence or something?

11/03   Soda now utilizes {s,x}bl.spamhaus.com to slow spam.

11/2    HAHAHA KISS MY ASS

11/2    For the more progressively inclided motd readers, may I suggest:
        http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide

11/2    The South Shall^H^H^H^H^H Has Risen Again --psb
        \_ the current colors are pretty much the same as 1861.
           http://www2.lhric.org/pocantico/civilwar/map.htm
           \- hello my point was that "this" republican victory doesnt seem
              to be the usual somewhat libertarian, small govt victory but
              the activist state implementing a southern relig agenda.
              \_ http://compilers.cs.ucla.edu/~kchang/2004/1102.Election

11/2    Now the GOP must confront the spectre of the witch running
        in 2008.
        \-^GOP^Democrats
        \_ You must not fear.  Fear is the mind killer.  Fear is the little
           death that brings about... oh nevermind.

11/2    The bus for Canada is leaving in 15 minutes.  Don't be late!
        \_ so where can I purchase the tix?

11/2    Uh, when does the recount begin?

11/27   /var/mail is 100% full again - clean up yer shit!
        \_ If I were Indian I'd have an untouchable do it.

11/2    Why is this motd so empty?
        \_ It is only relatively empty when you consider your ingrained
           sociocultural preconceptions.  -Jacques Derrida

11/2    The election is over. It's all over. I'm depressed.

11/2    Four more years !??

11/2    The motd's been quiet today.  Let's do our own exit poll:
        (Adding select Propositions too... + for Yes, - for No)
        Kerry: ..........
        Bush: ..
        66 (3 Strikes): +-++---++--+
        68 (Gaming)   : --+---------
        69 (DNA)      : +++-+-+-----
        70 (Gaming)   : ------------
        71 (stem cell): +-+-+++-+---
        \_ AAA! Bush and Kerry are neck-to-neck on the motd too!
        66 (3 Strikes): +-++---++-
        \_ does + mean yes? Criminals needs to be where they belong!! In
           the jail and not on the streets.
           \_ Arnie's radio ad was hilarious
              + means reform three strikes.  If you voted you would know.
        68 (Gaming)   : --+-------
        69 (DNA)      : +++-+-+---
        70 (Gaming)   : ----------
        71 (stem cell): +-+-+++-+-
        \_ Wow, people actually voted for 68 and 71?  I thought those were
           such obvious shams, no one would.
                \_ You don't have much experience with people do you. -phuqm
        \_ whoops, i just overwrote someone. sorry.

11/2    Any tips or urls about getting logwatch to not mail me so much
        stuff.  e.g. I want to monitor "secure", but I don't want to be
        notified everytime I add or delete the "test" user.  clue please?

11/2    So, when do people think the first OFFICIAL exit polls will be
        available?
        \_ Only after polls have completely closed in entire states.  The
           first two states should start reporting at 4pm PST.
           \_ Then eastern states will have influence on other states.
              \_ Possibly but most states lockins at that point.  I doubt
                 many people will base their voting on what happens elsewhere
                 this time since it was so fubar in 2000.

11/2    Ok, which of you killed http://tradesports.com?

11/2    newsfeed via IRC.  check http://idlenet.org for servers.  #newsfeed

11/2    /var/mail is full - clean 'yer shit up.
        \_ How do I turn off my mailspool while keeping the account?
           Particularly on OCF.

11/2    For a bug report I'm filingI need an exmple of a ccTLD domain
        with a website that is configured correctly. What's a good example.

11/2    I voted, bitch!
        \_ So did I, Ho!
        \_ i stood in line for 45 fucking minutes. urg. absentee next time!
           \_ Really?  This early?  I went at 8:30 and there were only two
              people ahead of me in line.  Did you go at lunch?
              \_ Nope, 8:30, same as you, but in East San Jose.
        \_ Busy polls.  A good thing I think. -Kerryite

11/1    Whaa! Home Entertainment 2004 CANCELLED due to hotel strikes!
        (http://www.he2004.com

11/1    Straight hallway #1 makes an "L" intersection (90 degrees)
        with straight hallway #2. Hallway #1 is X feet wide and #2
        is Y feet wide. What is the longest board/plank/2x4
        that you can move from one hallway to the next, sqeezing
        around the corner?
        \_ Assume it's zero height (ie. it's a 2-dimensional problem)
        \_ How tall is the ceiling?
           \_ shorter than the shortest board
              \_ It still matters.  Should we just set ceiling height to zero
                 as the poster below has done?
        \_ Given ceiling height=0, I think the max length is (x+y)*sqrt(2)
           but don't ask me to prove it.  I might prove it later though...

11/1    RIP retarted bullshit url
        \_ RIP speling

10/31   Does anyone have a copy of the Star Wars ROTS teaser trailer?

10/31   crap the redskins lost!!!
        \_ Yay!
        \_ It's about time you found out!

10/31   old stuff chopped off the bottom.  you can get pissed off now.

10/31   Down to the wire.  Damn.  This is gonna be a fucking nail biter.
        There should be a betting line somewhere on how many weeks it will
        take to sort it all out afterward.
        http://www.electoral-vote.com

10/31   Happy Halloween! Old timers don't forget to set your non-
        ntp enabled clocks back an hour.

10/31   Hello experts, PocketPC with GPS, yay or nay?
        http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=&topnav=&prodid=10047950

10/31   \_ More important question: why was it under seal and not
           destroyed in 1995 when they found it?  And why did the
           "sealed" building have air vents noted in the IAEA report that
           make it clear the building wasn't really sealed?  WTF is up
           with sealing stuff instead of just destroying it?  How can
           you excuse *that* away?
           \_ ninjas with WMDs!
           \_ You brainless TWAT.  Under seal means "We've locked it up, and
              everything is accounted for, so if you try to use any of it,
              we'll know."  Guess what?  They didn't use it.  It sat there
              until last april, when we overthrew the regime and left it
              unguarded.  Even if it arguably _should_ have been destroyed
              in '95 (which you're wrong about.  The seals are from '91 or
              earlier), it still doesn't excuse NOT GUARDING IT NOW.
              you're a fucking TOOL.
              \_ Guess what?  What the Iraqis said was there doesn't jive
                                                                     \_ jibe
                                                 I like jive, thanks. _/
                                                 It's slang, so I can
                                                 use either one.
                                                 \_ Oh to be young and ignorant
                                                    again.  Jive isn't slang
                                                    here it's the wrong damn
                                                    word. I guess it's hella
                                                    cool to be an ignorate
                                                    dope.  Have a hella rockin
                                                    day, dude!
                 with the more recent IAEA surveys from just before the war.
                 I'm sure you (and John below) feel really smart tossing around
                                \_ If I'd wanted your opinion, I'd have beaten
                                   it out of you.  You miserable, arrogant,
                                   holier-than-thou, preachy cretin, I swear,
                                   people like you REALLY piss me off.  I
                                   was commenting on the word choice of the
                                   guy's comment, not his goddamm content.
                                   Get a clue and learn to read you fucking
                                   brainless crotch-rotten litle worm.  Now
                                   that you mention it, though, your original
                                   point does display a pretty horrifying
                                   degree of ignorance and misunderstanding
                                   of what "seal" means.  And as for typing
                                   2x as much, I'm still waiting for some
                                   FUCKING CONTENT.  -John
                 personal insult but you don't have the facts on your side.
                 Sorry about that.  In 1995 the IAEA was told about this stuff
                 by inspectors who begged them to destroy it and they chose
                 not to.  Approximately April 13th, our troops on the ground
                 found it and destroyed some portion of it and moved on.  The
                 big pink elephant is this was an on-the-ground military
                 snafu.  Shit happens in war.  They 400,000 tons and might
                 have lost a few hundred tons here and there.  You think
                 nuclear components were safe in Saddam's hands but wait, there
                 weren't any.  You're all over the place son.  Drop the random
                 insults, get some facts and try again.  Weird how I managed
                 to type 2x as much as you without using childish insults.
                 You get an "A" for effort on the attempted intimidation, but
                 that just doesn't fly anywhere but the wall.
                 \_ It's not an "on-the-ground snafu". It's a "we had no plan
                    to pursue this war snafu".  HMX _is_ a dual-use nuclear
                    component.  There have been no reports of troops "destroy-
                    ing some portion of it" that I've seen.  Give us a source.
                    How much of the 400k tons of munitions were high-grade
                    explosives?
                    \_ Ok we agree on something.  HMX is a dual use nuclear
                       component.  Why was it under pseudo-seal instead of
                       destroyed?  What exactly is the point of tagging stuff
                       anyway?  So that once sanctions end, Hussein could more
                       easily restart his WMD programs?  Or because the UN or
                       whatever .org believes that after enough years of
                       sanctions Hussein will have learned his lesson and not
                       use the dual-use stuff for the WMD use?  What's the
                       purpose in tagging and sort of checking it every few
                       months instead of just destroying it since they're not
                       supposed to be touching it anyway.  And if they did
                       break the seals and move all or some of it, then what?
                       We would know they did and then what?  We'd send a nasty
                       letter asking them not to do it too many more times or
                       else we'll send more nasty letters?
                 \_ I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with this.  Are you saying
                    the missing munitions from Al Qaqaa were destroyed be
                    American troops? -!pp&&!op
                    \_ I'm saying we now know the guys on the ground searched
                       the facility and at least some materials at the facility
                       were removed and destroyed.  Since it was a war and not
                       a bean counter's convention no one can ever tell you
                       they know exactly what happened or when to the stuff
                       that was there.  If the IAEA reports can be trusted and
                       I don't think they can (since we know Hussein was
                       bribing everyone else on the planet, why not
                       inspectors?) then we know the material was there in
                       November of 2002.  In January, we are lead to believe
                       from IAEA reports that only 3 tons of one material type
                       were left which means roughly 135 tons was moved.  In
                       April, American troops showed up and destroyed ~250 tons
                       of material from that base but exactly which material
                       is not known.  In May, the facility was reported
                       stripped, most likely by the population living in nearby
                       towns.  Anything else is pure speculation.  This is the
                       point where my friend calls me a twat and a few other
                       things to make a counter point.
              \_ Whoever wrote this is pure oratory genius.  Seriously.  It's
                 a bit rough around the edges, but the potential is definitely
                 there.  I strongly suggest you try to find some of Mark
                 Latham's choicer insults online.  -John
                 \_ Not really, it's just silly.  He almost had a few
                    intelligent points but ruined it with frothing hatred and
                    childishly spewed bile.
                    \_ My point.  Rough around the edges.  For some reason,
                       parliamentary systems seem to breed more polished,
                       amusing frothing to go with the bile :-)  -John

10/30   Why is my twireless reception so bad?  Could it be the phone or is
        twireless just worthless around here?

10/29   Why do we have to nuke?
        \_ 'Cos we're morons.
        \_ Same reasons as why we have fingernails, stones, spears, arrows,
           swords, guns, bombs, cannons.
           \_ Uhm, to help us climb and grip our prey (or tools)?  To attract
              a mate when painted?
              \_ I don't know about you, but purely statistically speaking,
                 I have attracted far more mates when I was not painted than
                 when I was painted.  I am not entirely sure what to infer
                 from this observation, but I am led to assume that it has
                 something to do with the possibility that most women prefer
                 nice shirts & slacks to purple body paint.  -John

10/29   Some friends of mine who use Thunderbird (and dial-up) would like a
        feature to "prompt to send unsent messages before exiting".
        Is there a "feature request" form for Thinderbird anywhere?

10/29   The situation report from Oz (after the fall of the wicked witch):
        http://mcsweeneys.net/2004/10/29warner.html

10/28   Conan O'Brien on IT Support
        http://chintan.net/conan.wmv
        \_ jyesh

10/28   So, who was it that said Soda as a dual Xeon machine would melt
        itself through the machine room's walls?  100% CPU usage, in a
        room-temperature environment; the processors stay under 60c.

10/28   what's lpt1 under linux? /dev/???? thanks.
        \_ lp1 I'd guess.  -John

10/28   I don't know jack about anthropology, but isn't it a bit of a stretch
        to start believing in hobbits because of *one* skeleton?
        \_ Reread any of the articles.  It wasn't "one skeleton"
        \_ If you mean hobbits a la LOTR, of course it is.  If you mean the
           existence of three-foot-tall hominids, the sheer number of
           skeletons found is enough to be fairly convincing.
           \_ I mean the latter.  I was just looking at the Nature paper, and
              only saw reference to one or two skeletons.  Are there more
              reported elsewhere?
              \_ you don't have to worry; that was 20,000 years ago, and
                 since the earth is only 6,000 years old, clearly they were
                 planted by the Devil to tempt us into disbelief.  -tom
                 \_ Jeez.  I'm not worried, I'm just curious.  Some friends
                    and I were looking at the article in Nature, and it
                    sounded pretty nutty.
                 \_ Silly tom, it's doesn't say anywhere that one of the
                    animal species God created couldn't be hominid.
                    \_ This sounds like something the Devil would write.
           \_ One thing I didn't get was whether they could just be some monkey
              or ape form. There were homo erectus on the same island. From the
              one article I read I didn't see any proof that these creatures
              could even talk, or that the tools couldn't have been from the
              homo erectus (erecti?) there. Basically there didn't seem to be
              enough justification to call them "men".

Please don't nuke.

10/28   Is there a good Latin word for "bullshit", in the sense of smoke &
        mirrors, fast talking, "money talks & bullshit walks"?  -John
        \-On Geroge Bush aka Chimpy: Exemplum de simia quae quando
          plus ascendit plus apparent posteriora eius.
          \_ One word, partha, and monkey buttocks don't count.
        \_ stratagem? - ciyer
                \_ Was hoping for something a bit more cynical (imagine
                   Drill Sgt. Hartmann yelling BULLSHIT!)
                   \_ That Mel Gibson jesus film supposedly used "street
                      latin."  Maybe you should look up what their source
                      was for that.
        \_ Res Ipsa Loquitor

10/27   There was a de-penised wonder here commenting about a problem posted
        by ilyas, which said de-penised wonder had, in all likelihood,
        previously deleted, and in response to which needle-pegging weenieness
        the management has kindly provided not an ass link, but a technical
        means for transporting ass links conveniently and comfortably:
        http://www.kolumbus.fi/xtmb/goatsefloppy

10/28   Red Sox pwns Cardinals, Bambino turns over in his grave.
        Bostonians wicked happy.
        \_ Still waiting for the first "who the fuck cares" statement.
           It was rather anticlimatic though, after NY-Bos
           \_ at least it was quick.
           \_ Is it over yet?

10/27   There was a problem here asked by ilyas.

10/27   I went down a few pages at random.  I chopped it all from there down.
        Sorry if your favorite thing got purged.  It was too long and mostly
        no one was replying to any of it. -tom
        \_ Yeah great, I put a problem up for a few hours.  It was taking up
           _1_ fucking line, and you delete it.  Was that one line hurting
           you in any way?  It wasn't trolling or anything.  Asshole. -- ilyas
           P.S.  I wrote the reply before tom signed, but boy does the
                 signature make sense.  *sigh*
        \_ BIAS!!!!1!
           \_ Biased, racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-something, pro-badthing,
              and generally evil, yep!
              \_ Sounds exciting!!1 Where can I sign up to be a Republican?!?!

10/27   Favorite soda political commentator poll:
        aaron: ..........................................
                \_ I love aaron for pushing his agenda so violently.  It
                   really makes his case.
                   \_ ilyas, what do you think?
        brain:
        danh:
        ecchang:
        jblack:
        john: .
        \_ (a) it's "John" and (b) I don't make political commentary, I just
           post ass links, remember?
        phillip: .
        psb:
        reiffen:
        scotsman:
        tom:
        emarkp: .
        \_ "You forgot ilyas!"
        \_ anonymous coward #12: .

10/27   "'Integrity!  Integrity!  Integrity!'  because my mom felt that her
        adult son needed this advice from her deathbed".

10/26   estupid request for $company employees deleted until further
        explanation produced.

10/26   apple corp employees, please send me an email.  -dpetrou
        \_ why should they?
           \_ Because King David has decreed it.  MOTD rules do not apply.

10/26   John Peel, RIP.
        \_ Who?
           \_ Siiiiiiiigh.
              http://www.nme.com/features/110323.htm

10/26   Americans burn U.N. flag
        http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41094

10/25   Where can I find a clip of Ashlee Simpson's lovely performance
        on SNL?
           http://www.collegehumor.com/news/ashlee_snl.wmv
           \_ huh? I don't get it.  was this somehow funny in context?
              \_ Yeah, she had just played that same song earlier and they
                 messed up the tape, "outing" her as a lip syncher.
           \_ How about in a better format? (i.e. not WINDOZE)
        \_ Never mind, I found it:
           http://www.collegehumor.com/news/ashlee_snl.wmv
           \_ huh? I don't get it.  was this somehow funny in context?
              \_ Yeah, she had just played that same song earlier and they
                 messed up the tape, "outing" her as a lip syncher.
           \_ How about in a better format? (i.e. not WINDOZE)
                \_ Sorry, that's all I found.

10/25   Does CHP use laser or just radar?
        \_ I am pretty sure they use bullets still.
        \_ You planning on a radar detector or painting your car matte black?
        \_ They mostly pace still.
        \_ Try jingling your keys as you pass.

10/25   Hey EMRG guy, why did the stock shoot up today?

10/25   How can I log on to iTunes Music Store Europe?

10/23   Home Entertainment 2004 in SF Nov 4-7 http://www.he2004.com

10/23   http://www.wolfpacksfortruth.org

10/22   hey ilyas, you are a spazmo and you smell like a butt.  -!aaron
        \_ I don't generally agree with ilyas or appreciate his POV, but
           this is fucking stupid.
        \_ Did ilyas cut his hair yet? fucking hippie freak.
        \_ this sounds like some chick trying to flirt with him
        \_ Love how you're too chickenshit to say this "on the record".
           Has ilyas ever attacked you in such fashion?  --PeterM

10/22   Cardiologists do it 'til your heart stops.
        \_ Optometrists... darn you, why did you get me started?
           \_ Poison Control Hotline operators do it 'til you puke.
              \_  computer scientists do it til their wrist gets tired.
                  \_ Donkey anesthesiologists do it 'til your ass falls asleep.
                     \_ Gynecologists do you 'til you dry up.
                        \_ Catholic priests do it 'til you hit puberty.
           \_ Optometrists do it till they're blind.
        \_ Creationists do it 'til the second law of thermodynamics says they
           can't.

10/21   [ don't delete stuff out of order. -- ilyas ]
        \_ What the fuck??  There was some interesting stuff here that you
           arbitrarily chose to nuke.  Punishing the community for the sins
           of the individual isn't a sound moral philosophy.
           \_ On the contrary.  I didn't arbitrarily choose to nuke anything,
              the guy I am responding to did that.  I don't discriminate
              like him.  Since no one is _really_ getting hurt, I think
              I am probably ok, and NOT going to hell.  If the MAD
              thing really bothers you that much, perhaps you can track
              down the fucker who nukes certain shit but not other,
              and try to make him see the light.  Good luck with that.
              Certain people understand force only.  -- ilyas
        \_ this is not the proper response, even if it is effective
           \_ What is the proper response?  And by proper, do you
              mean moral? -- ilyas
              \_ i offer no suggestion for a proper response; i only offer
                 criticism.  And you know what meaning of proper I mean.
                 \_ It seems everyone on the motd is an expert on ilyas
                    except me. -- ilyas

10/21   Is anybody still having problems with mail being delayed? (root)
        \_ haven't noticed any problem lately.  thanks!

10/21   Anyone here do process accounting under Linux? Does it noticeably
        impact performance?

10/20   How does it like to work at Intel or IBM?
        \_ It puts the lotion on its skin.
           \_ Speaking of which...
              http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2650242

10/19   How to out 1337 your friends:
        http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/galactika-led-toilet-seat-023709.php
        \_ what's so special about a blinking led toilet seat

10/19   Can anyone give any context here?  Caption doesn't help much.
   http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041018/480/flpm11010182110
        \_ "Dammit, AF1's heading for the rose garden again.  Karl, uh,
           would you mind?"
        \_ uh... how about clicking the "related article" link
           http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/rove_antic

10/19   Pirates and Emperors:
        http://www.piratesandemperors.com
        \_ is this work-safe?
           \_ Oh!  Sorry.  Yes, worksafe, a lot of sound, political, lefty.

10/19   Is there a way to get all Yahoo movies say above A- rating??
        \_ http://movies.yahoo.com/404.html

10/19   To the person asking about gold-plated AV cables earlier.  The reason
        they matter is because gold doesn't corrode.  If your connector gets
        corrosion, it changes the impedance of the connector.  When you don't
        match impedance, some portion of the signal will be reflected back and
        you will set up a 'standing wave' in the cable.  Since the standing
        wave is voltage which is not signal, it it noise.  Therefore, gold
        plated cables help you have a cleaner signal, but are not needed if
        your stuff is in a corrosion-free enviornment.  I don't buy 'em.
        \_ couldn't one just use some steel wool to clean up the contacts
           when the signal quality degrades?  Is that what you do? -!audiophile
           \_ That should work, but it'd be a tight squeeze.  I don't get
              corrosion. If your cables are really rusting up on you a lot,
              then gold-plated is probably worth the extra $10, but in that
              case, I fear for the internals of your electronics.  -op
           \_ Does steel wool scratch the surface and worsen the contact?
              \_ I would expect it won't matter as long as the connection is
                 still snug.  As long as there is a decent contact area there
                 won't be an impedance mismatch.  If you have corrosion the
                 entire contact surface could be messed up.

10/18   Burn Hollywood Burn:
        http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SBGI&d=t
        \_ Shareholder lawsuit?  $50M lost in market cap. (as of 4:30pm mst)
        \_ ^Hollywood^Sinclair

10/18   Hey, how's that GOOG short doing, guy?
        \_ I'll let you know when we are legally allowed to short it, guy.

10/17   What's the deal with @berkeley.edu addresses? Are they
        available for alumni types? Where can I get mine?
        \_ <DEAD>calmail.berkeley.edu<DEAD>, only available for students and staff
           \_ okay, thanks.
        \_ <DEAD>cal.berkeley.edu<DEAD>, available for all alumni.

10/16   JFK assasination opinion poll.
        lone nut theory: .
        conspiracy which included the US government: .
        conspiracy which did not include the US government:
        The NRA/Republicans did it: .
            \_ Yeah, an Italian Carcano is an accurate rifle that
               the NRA would pick it to use to kill the President.
                \_ Mannlicher-Carcano's not a bad rifle, actually.  -John
               \_ Exactly!  That was just to throw us off but we have seen
                  through your evil Republican/NRA plot to destroy the
                  free world!

10/15   mailq |wc -l
        22038
        \_ down to 19090 now...lets see how my queue runners play (-njh)
        \_ btw,  - !rory
           (just so noone thinks I'm the only one bitching about this)
           (just so no one thinks I'm the only one bitching about this)

10/15   Can someone please recommend a good, low-cost web hosting
        company? TIA.

10/15   Anyone know if Fry's sells any case noise dampening material? thx

10/15   Hey, the picture of the brick wall looks like a keyboard!
        http://www.cnn.com
        \_ I just burst out laughing over a big bomb going off.  Going to
           hell.
        \_ nice!

**/**   I've never done this before but after my very mild opinion got
        censored a few times by some jerk who replaced it with some bit
        of childish & nasty comments I've had enough.  It is all gone now.
        The motd is a shared resource.  Share it.  Since asking nicely did
        nothing, maybe losing all your stuff will make an impression.
        \_ Bud Day would probably have asked nicely.
        \_ What did you do exactly?

10/14   Any Thai speaker here?  What does "Nong Jang Thai" as a movie title
        mean?  TIA.
        \_ Hot Thai Sex
           \_ Serious?
              \_ Do a google for: "nong jang" thai

10/13   What does mingus mean?
        \_ Chuck Mingus, famous jazz bass player.
           \_ Hey, that's Charles Mingus to you, pal.
           \_ http://achewood.com/?date=06202003
        \_ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mingus&r=f
           Also see "minge" (British English), meaning something similar,
           or something nasty or an expression of disgust in general. -John
        \_ Mingus Dew is my favorite Be-Bop Cola!
        \_ mingus.eecs ?

10/13      BAD DAY!!!
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10/13   can anyone here find an email address for Rodger D Hodge of
        Harpers magazine? I cant seem to find one. Thanks.
        \_ Just a guess: try roger@harpers.org, hodge@harpers.org and
           rhodge@harpers.org

10/12   John, what exactly do you plan to publish? motd is full of trash,
        what trash do you think is particular to people?        -cynic

**/**   Tons of stupid stuff removed.  My delete line key wore out or I would
        have got the rest.
        \_ WendsDay is Bud Day Day.
        \_ ESC 1000 ctrl-k

10/12   Swifties October Surprise?
        Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
        http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
        \_ For subscribers only. And Bud Day, I would imagine.
           \_ Ride Bud Day

10/12   Fold up bridge:
        http://www.newspad.co.uk/Go/News/lateststories/bridgefive.htm
        \_ Did Bud Day design this?

10/12   CHOCO-PIE!  CHOCO-PIE IS THE SNACK FOOD STANDARD!
        \_ HAPPY CAKE!  HAPPY CAKE IS THE STANDARD!

10/12   Would you stand on a corner holding a sign and dancing?
        How much do they get paid?
        \_ Is Master Shake shilling for Quiznos again?

10/11   TUGBOAT
        http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm
        \_ Pretty amazing, but FYI, most boats of that size have been
           designed to do this since at least the early 20th century.
           My dad's 38 foot salmon trawler (built early '30s) flipped
           completely over in high seas several times and managed to right
           itself.  The tugboat was very lucky that the river level
           was high enough that it didn't collide with the bottom. --lye

10/11   Sinclairmei pato break FCC rules:
        <DEAD>cuaorg/fb<DEAD>

10/11   \_ Tom, like you, makes occasionally reasonable, if unpopular
           points about contentious topics.  He can be very cynical
           about it, but I have rarely seen anyone respond to his
           arguments recently with anything but ad hominem bullshit.
           Please restrict this sort of shit to the real anonymous
           losers who troll the motd.  Anyway, the motd's mainly
           become more pleasant because even the negative, wrong
           replies are at least decently reasoned and articulated.  -John
           \_ No, tom is a small-time asshole.  Most of his 'points' are one
              line zingers of the 'you are an idiot' variety.  I don't
              think he is cynical or anything like that but an asshole he is.
              People respond to him in an ad hominem way because that's how
              he is 90% of the time himself.  Note how people don't do
              that to me so much anymore, despite, as you say, the fact that
              I make 'unpopular points.'  Tom himself is unpopular, not his
              points.  -- ilyas
              \_ I agree.  ilyas is a highly entertaining loony - tom is just
                 an annoying crank.
                 \_ ilyas is a whiny bitch who deletes the motd.
                    \_ No.  Part of what makes him so entertaining is his
                       "coldly logical" explanations for his temper tantrums.
                       If he was a whiny bitch, he wouldn't be worth having
                       around.
                       \_ ilyas is someone who can never admit that he is
                          wrong, even when proven so.
                          \_ which is the #1 qualification for being a Highly
                             Entertaining Loony!
                          \_ he did admit recently that he may accidentally
                             overwrite posts, and I respect him for that
                             statement
                             \_ Uhm, why?  It's not all that meaningful if
                                he's not going to change his behavior to
                                correct a problem he seems to have.

10/11   Derrida est mort.
        \_ good riddance.
        \_ Mais, qui est Derrida? (Founder of deconstructionism)
           \_ Derrida is dead.  Who is Derrida?
              (my guess)

10/8    I think they they are both more aggressive than last time,
        interesting.
        \_ I have a feeling that more than one advisor (and jon stewart
           spoof sketch) told him to kick it up a notch.

10/8    In a cover letter when applying for a job, what's a good figure on
        the number of words to use?  I don't want to be so verbose they ignore
        me, or so terse they think I don't even care.
        \_ just keep everything to less than one page, including headers,
           text, and signature, with font size 10-12.
           \_ So if this is by email... 80 columns and how many lines?
                \_ I'd like to say type up the entire thing in a word
                   processor and then copy/paste, but I'm not completely
                   sure if that's right. anyone?
                   \_ Ok, given your suggested formatting, how many words do
                      a full page of normal text comprise?
                      \_ Roughly 250.

10/8    Cool, I always wanted to know what my local talk radio stations were.
        http://www.democrats.org/media/find.html

10/8    A friend of mine lost a hair clip on campus, possibly in soda.
        It has a lot of sentimental value and she's offering a $100 reward
        to get it back.  See this post for more info:
        http://www.craigslist.org/eby/laf/44949658.html
        - niloc
        \_ I want 500$ for it.
        \_ sentimental value, hmmmm, is it from someone who gave her the best
           ^%^*&* of her life?