1/12    yesterday, at 4am, the bio building at UCSC went kaboom.
        the bldg was empty, and there were no casualties.
        \_ http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/local/docs/ucscfire0112.htm

1/12    Stare at backdoor by mattress for 20 seconds(kind of interesting):
        http://208.178.180.118/gold/wayboard.gif

1/11    Does the economy affect Moore's law in any way?
        \_ I will live to see the death of CMOS, and i will laugh and mock
        it in its passing.  mwuahahahahaha! i hate CMOS.
        \_ If anything, it is the other way around.
        \_ No, because Grove made eating your own lunch par for the course.

1/11    http://mangband.com -- Multi-player Angband!

1/11    Judge Says No to M$:
        http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/216819p-2091967c.html
        \_ More like "No, Bitch!" ... .com

1/11    When will I stop getting randomly disconnected from soda?
        "Connection to host lost"
        \_ When ECCS NET and its rabid router issues get fixed. [LOL]
           \_ Could you tell us all when that happens?

1/11    A "new hope" for all you star wars fans (n*sync's been cut):
        http://www.theforce.net/episode2/index.html
        \_ thank god

1/11    In floating point representation, does "bias-8" mean the same thing as
        "excess-8", where the range for 4 digits of exponent is -8 to 7?

1/10    Why do commands in my .joverc work when I just run "jove" but when
        I run "jove filename" they don't apply to the filename's buffer?
        \_ We've secretly replaced your jove with Folger's crystals.  It looks
           like you noticed.

1/10    I got an offer from a company in China. Should I take it?
        \_ are you a person of honesty and integrity?  then no.
                \_ no, and no.
        \_ where is it based? --aaron
                \_ Shanghai.
                   \_ You can get a lot of stuff in Shanghai.
                   \_ I'm looking for work there -- email me, I can
                      answer questions if you haven't visited Shanghai
                      before, and/or we can meet up next time I'm there.
                       --aaron
                        \_ are you the same guy who went to Taiwan back in
                           the mid 90s to look for blowjob? How are the
                           hos in Shanghai? Hotter and cheaper?
                        \_ uh, what are the best hohouse in 'hai?

1/9     I did it!  I finally escaped!  I knew if I kept trying I'd slip by.

        "Network Solutions, Inc. ("NSI") has received a request to transfer
         your domain name from NSI to another Registrar.  This is to notify
         you that the transfer request has been approved by NSI and was sent
         to the Registry for processing."
         \_ How did you do it? -ausman
         \_ How did you do it?
                \_ It tookt a few times where they either arbitrarily rejected
                   it or said I didn't confirm the request but I got by the
                   NSI Nazis this morning.  Crossing my fingers that it goes
                   the rest of the way.  This was the hard part though.

1/9     In http://www.sciam.com/2001/0801issue/0801puzzlingbox1.html
        how come "S(x,3,1)=bet x/2 and end up with 2x"? The worst case for
        betting x/2 is 3/2x, not 2x as claimed. Also how does one come up
        with S(x,4,1) = 2(x+b) = 2x + 2b = 8(x-b) = 8x - 8b ?? Thanks.
        \_ What's the original problem for that solution?

1/8     fuck sauron.  Morgoth.  Morgoth is the standard valar killer!
        \_ I second that.  Sauron was his whimpering lieutenant.
        \_ we like to call him Melkor.

1/8     Is soda having net problems? I've been experiencing sluggish
        responses when I type, at many times throughout today.
        \_ yes.  cory router.  eecs networking (tm)
           \_ Is it going to be fixed or something?
           \_ Sure sure, blame the victim.
              \_ yeah, blame the elite Decimal207 warez crew

1/8     Anyone have the Kirkwood student pass?
        \_ yes
        \_ I had it last year. Didn't have time to go up enough (~4 times)
           to make my money back.

1/8     http://www.zeosync.com/flash/pressrelease.htm
        1) Man, what a bunch of fucking morons.
        2) Someone show them philcompress.
        3) DAMN what a bunch of fucking morons.

1/8     stupid question: i just finished reading the Trilogy, and i don't
        get what the two towers are.  clearly one of them is Orthanc, saruman's
        tower, but what is the other one?  Sauron semems to have several
        towers, and I think Gondor has a tower or two.  Aren't there towers
        all over middle earth?  what the hell?  is it Barad Dur?
        \_ I recall reading that it is a reference to Orthanc and Minas Tirith.
           -- ulysses
        \_ minas ithil and minas arnor.  - someone who read the Silmarion.
        \_ It's yermom's twin towers.  They always come in pairs.
           \_ They don't come in paris in the movie Kung Pao.
        \_ I think Minas Tirith and Minas Ithil (renamed Minas Morgul). --dim
        \_ It's just a metaphore.
        \_ Minas Tirith and Minas Ithil (renamed Minas Morgul) for the
           opposition of light and dark, but the two in the book are
           Cirith Ungol (Barad-dur) and Orthanc. Tolkien himself was unhappy
            \_ I think Cirith Ungol != Barad-dur. The first is the orc fortress
           a bit ambiguous. --dim
               guarding the pass (the stairs of Cirith Ungol) and the other is
               the great fortress in the plains of Gorgoroth and the center of
               Sauron's power. I don't have the book with me, though.
               \_ You are right. --dim
                  \_ ...and this was the source of my confusion.  Barad dur
                     seems more important, because the Main Evil Dude lives
                     there, but on the other hand, we never actually see
                     barad dur in the story, unlike cirith ungol, which
                     is pretty important.  thanks for providing the only
                     useful or intelligent answer!  -OP
           with the title because of the ambiguity. I quote: "I am not happy
           at all about the title 'The Two Towers'." It is supposed to be
           a bit ambiguous. It can even be Orthanc and Minas Morgul. --dim
        \_ Found this:
           http://members.cts.com/king/e/erikt/tolkien/2towers.htm
            -- ulysses
        the problem is that the 2 towers can refer to anything DEPENDING on
        what books you've read.  Hell, even the hobbit has Dol Guldur (in
        mirkwood, sauron's 1st attempt to set up power)...  If you read the
        silmarion, it's obvious you're talking about minas *.  if you read
        lotr, then it's maybe barad-dur and minas tirith.  Altho rohas is
        just as important.  Btw: 3 rings for the elven kings went to:
        1. elrond, 2. galadriel, and 3, (Narya the Great) went to Cirdan who
        gave it to Gandalf.
        \_ Narya the Great?  I suppose the others are Nenya the Okay and
           Vilya the Adequate...

1/7     I'm looking for cool live cams (preferably X-rated) to use as my
        wallpaper       -corporate slave in a windowless cube [formatd god]
        \_ How about the Sproul cam?

1/7     I'm looking for cool live cams (G-rated) to use as my wallpaper
                                -corporate slave in a windowless cube
        \_ How about the Sproul cam?

1/7     So anybody going to get their Lovage Wednesday at Slim's?
        \_ What is this?
           \_ http://www.thefanbase.com/lovageone.html

1/7     Does anyone use PacBell for dial-up?  Have you notice their
        service drop off in the past month or so?  May it have something to do
        with the SBC or Prodigy thing I see being splashed on their site now?
        Has Prodigy f-it up or is it just me?
        \_ Prodigy still exists??

1/5     The following prints a very standard binary series in the
        representation of 0.1, but stops short of 64 bits. Does that mean

1/3        easy as pie, it gave me 'bavarian fruit bread':
           "Music reviewer Colin Berry recommends the latest CD by
           Hope Sandoval and the Warm Inventions."   -lila
           \_ Thank you, Lila and thanks to the others about
              the Kiss Me song.  It is Sixpence.  I didn't know
              about the movie soundtracks (haven't seen either)

1/4     jwang, what kind of leather jacket, helmet, gloves, & boots do you
        wear when you're riding your awsome CBR600F4?

1/3     Did anybody hear a radio piece (probably NPR) about a singer and
        a group who recently put out an album with the title
        "Bavarian Fruitcake" or something "Fruitcake"?  I have done
        searches on yahoo, google and amg, but can't find what I want.
        Maybe it's too new.
        \_ On the off chance you misheard, there's a compilation out called
           "better than fruitcake"
        On a related note, does anybody know who sings that song
        "Kiss Me" ?  I also did a search on amg and there are like
        100 songs with that same title.  The singer is a woman and I've
        heard her on the radio quite a lot.  She has kind of a weird
        soulful voice.  Thanks in advance.
        \_ I suspect the "Kiss Me" you want is by a band called
           "Sixpence None The Richer"
        \_ Try looking at the Soundtrack for Not Another Teen Movie, or the
           movie it was spoofing, She's All That. The guy above is correct.
        \_ Using Morpheus, I only got two matches. One by Guster, one by the
           band you want. See above.

1/4     V3: What is the relationship between kazaa and Morpheus?
        Why do the Morphues temp files say "kazadownload..." -crebbs
        \_ same core program, different skin
            \_ same spyware?
                \_ so they say.
                    \_ so WHO says?  I have checked for the registry entry on
                       2 (win2k) machines with morpheus and neither has it.
                       Nor do they have the executable (DLDER.exe) -tcrebbs
                       Nor do they have the executable (DLDER.exe) -crebbs
                       \_ were you running the latest versions?
                       \_ so thereg says.

1/4     Thanks for the http://www.2wire.com URL.  Exactly what I needed.

1/4     Why does the Petagon insist on dropping leaflets written in
        English and not in the local language? Is this for our
        consumption or theirs?
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20020104/ts/mdf108062.html

1/3     Did UC Theatre move?  -alum who just revisited Berkeley
        \_ it's gone.  needed seismic retrofitting that it couldn't afford

1/3     Boycot Lucas! He's lost his touch.
        \_ If it took N'Sync to make you boycott Lucas and not long before,
           I guess I'll see you in line opening day of Ep II.

1/3     For what kind of f(x,y), can ido the following:
                d/dx d/dy f(x,y) = d/dy d/dx f(x,y)
        \_It is true if the derivatives exist and are continous at the point
          you care about. williamc

1/2     jwang, is your bike garaged? how much is your insurance?

1/2     chialea #1 fan:  if you get her digits, be sure to let us all know.
        -chialea #1 fan #1 fan
        \_ gotta love stalkers.
        \_ chialea doesn't look cute to me.

1/2     2002, more of the same as 2001 for stocks?

1/2     offering for the first time, enjoy the complete star wars
        prequel trilogy on dvd:
        1. clones attack
        2. attack of the clones
        and the grand finale:  3. clones attack clones

1/1     What is a command that I can type that will tell me if I have
        any new mail or not? I do not want to run pine, just a quick check
        that will say "New Mail" or "No New Mail" or something like that.
        \_ frm or newmail?
           \_ Thanks a bunch. 'frm -s new' is Exactly what I wanted.
        \_ what about biff/xbiff?
           \_ Nope, I don't want a program running all the time.
              I just want to check if I have new mail occasionally.
              \_ nfrm also works
        \_ /usr/bin/Mail, then type "x" to exit.

1/1     To whoever was talking about some usgs site being down... I guess
        their plug was pulled because they were stealing money from some
        Native American trust fund or something:
        http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/fc/phparchives/search.php?search=usgs

1/1     Which site has the best e-card selections?  I tried hallmark, yahoo,
        bluemountain etc and am still searching for a nice one to send within
        a few hours.
        \_ nothing says cheap and lazy like an eCard.  Why not get a gift
           certificate to amazon or somewhere instead?
           \_ The only things I ever gets are eCards.  This year I refuse
              to be a piece of doormat and return the favor in kind.
        \_ That's just what we need, our email address on another spam list
        \_ How about http://www.regards.com

1/1     Can someone tell me the name of the female singer who sings the
        remake of Wham's "Last Christmas"?  Thanks!!!
        \_ can't you use google or morpheus to find out?

12/31   1/1
        \_ Finally.  And only got my life threatened by one crazy fuckwit
           this year.  -John
           \_ I'm gonna kill you, you bastard.
              \_ <BEAVIS> ARE YOU THREATENING ME!? </BEAVIS>

12/31   To whoever asked, there's a Megatouch Maxx at a gay bar called
        Mac's Club at 39 Post St. in downtown San Jose.
        \_ What was the question?
           \_ Where is there a Megatouch Maxx machine in the South Bay?

12/30   Very gruesome / graphic of Islamic militants
        beheading Russian soldier:
        <DEAD>www.bcsys.com/warning/Movie_0006d77f.IETemp.mov<DEAD>

12/30   Does anyone know how to attach a mime-encoded attachment to
        a message in mh-e? (I'm looking for something like what ^T
        does in pine). tia.

12/30   You don't have any rights.  Maybe you missed the part where the motd
        FAQ says "don't be a hoser"?

12/29   I am the One True MOTD.  Vwap me at your peril.
        \_ "Lend me the MOTD."

12/29   anyone got a spare win2k key?
        \_ STFW?
        \_ XGH9J-KBPBD-FXDKQ-K36XB-X9J6Y
        \_ RBDC9-VTRC8-D7972-J97JY-PRVMG
        \_ www.cracks.am
        \_ does anyone *not*?
        \_ serials 2k

12/28 Which well-known individuals do you consider the most attractive?
      \_ Yermom.

12/28 Bilderburg conspiracy exposed!
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/598038/posts

12/27   Oh great.  Mary,Kate Ashley Marathon.
        \_ pedo-paradise.
        \_ they're nearly legal!

12/26   Could it be that Bin Laden was terminally ill and decided to pull

12/28   I am using my right to disagree with everything on the motd.
      \_ I am using my right to properly format the motd.
 Screw you! _/
      \_ You don't have that "right".

12/26   Anybody got sftp to work?
        sftp alumni.eecs
        Connecting to alumni.eecs...
        pchen@alumni.eecs's password:
        Received message too long 1265200236

12/26   Sorry this is old.  Pull a newer one from the archives if you want.

12/25   "May God's holy name never be used as a justification for hatred! Let
        it never be used as an excuse for intolerance and violence!"-JPII
        \_ Keep 'em barefoot & pregnant.  -JPII (paraphrased)
           \_ And fetching beers.

12/24   I've never heard a female say "I've got to take a big dump."
        Why is that?
        \_ because you surround yourself with asian prudes.
        \_ because you surround yourself with lower class men.
        \_ i hear your mom say that all the time.
        \_ i hear yermom say that all the time.

12/24   Since when did they start to detonate bombs using matches? I thought
        electric detonators have long been proved to be more reliable since
        WWII.
        \_ Oddly enough, matches don't set off METAL detectors. Even more
           odd is that C4 (if that's the explosive) needs a blasting cap
           to get set off. Burning it just makes a quaint little fire.
           \_ There was det cord and other stuff in there if you're trying to
              say he couldn't have set off his bomb.
        \_ condoms set off airline metal detectors.  (probably their pkging)
           \_ how is htis useful?
              \_ oh right, this is soda.csua  you people are all nerd-virgins.
                 \_ Not true, thanks to yermom.
                        \_ Does yermom really count as losing your special
                           form of nerd-virginity?

12/24   me think israel want to start a war.

11/22   Is MENSA really something special, or is it just overhyped?
        \_ As I qualify to join, I'd have to guess overhyped :) -chialea

12/22   http://www.dell.com/images/us/segments/gen/homepage/montage/holiday.jpg

12/22   For all of you who missed out on that craig's list thing:
        http://www.qxl.com/cgi-bin/qxlhome.cgi/EN/QXL/PR/U1010079228/_22398385

12/21   Oh?  Was the motd destroyed?  Didn't notice....

12/21   Afghanistan five-day outlook:
        http://www.stressbuster1.com/pics/afghan.html

12/21   Need a job?   /csua//pub/jobs/Transmeta/ReliabilityEng
                --jeffwong

12/20   Anyone else been getting these constant spammings from <DEAD>paid4survey.net<DEAD>?
        \_ No.  But then again, I've got tons of anti-spam filters.

12/19   [ Itanic URL Deleted by OP (original poster) ]

12/20   Go IMF! Indonesia down, Argentina down, only one more for a hat trick!
        \_ Indonesia down?
        \_ Economic Deadpool.  My money's on Brazil.  --erikred
        \_ I'd like to hear what all the 'objectivists' have to say about
           this... that is, if they can stop choking on "Atlas Shrugged" long
           enough to get a word out.
                \_ of course! how could I have missed Galton's speech
                   on how much we need to peg our money to the dollar!
                \_ I didn't read it.  What does A.Rand have to do with the
                   Argentinian economy?  Please don't tell me to read it.  I'm
                   not *that* interested in knowing.

12/19   http://www.tje.net/humor/0107/why_palestinians_throw_rocks.htm

12/19      \_ thanks for the info... I was about to sign my post as
              "chialea" to try and solicit some responses.
                \_ touche

9/19    Motd Poll:
        You have a rape fantasy:
        You deny having a rape fantasy: .
        You are a rape fantasy:

12/19   Has anyone ever had IE 6 lose its toolbars?
        Been able to fix it? --scotsman
        \_try pulling them down like a frame that's been pushed to the side
        \_ Stop visiting porn sites.  Turn off javascript.

12/19   Did anyone fax in thier cal transcript requests? If a particular
        school wants them to attach a cover sheet, did you fax the cover
        sheet as well or did you have them send you the transcript and
        then attach the cover sheet and send it out?

12/19   If you saw it, did you like it?
        \_ Marketing & Sales are there now.  I'm in the colo freezing my
           ass off for no particular reason.
        \_ 3 hours. shit, forget about drinking coffee right before.
        \_ after i saw it, all the white kids pranced about and started beating
           up on the non-white kids claiming it was justified, since the dark
           ones came from mordor.

12/19   Does anyone know of any exceptionally good tattoo artists in the
        SF/BA?  I've seen a number of references to Joe Leonard in Santa
        Rosa (Monkey Wrench)...any others?  tia!       -mice
        \_ Find a good plastic surgeon who can remove them with minimal
           permanent damage for later on when you want to join the rest
           of society.
           \_ Unless the tattoo says "Special Forces".
              \_  heh   I wish.   I'm looking for a good artist to add to
                  work I've already got.                      -mice
        \_ I've never gotten a tattoo from this guy or know anybody who
           has, but his artwork is pretty cool... and his tattoos look
           pretty cool too:
           http://artcrimes.org/giant/home.html
           \_ wow!  thanks for the follow-up!  I also found this guy after
              poking around on google -- the dragons especially kick ass:
              http://www.tattooinfinity.com          -mice

12/19   why isn't ucb involved in the warez group bust?
        \_ N0 1337 H4X0R5 H3R3 D00D3!!1
        \_ vaolo and padim are too l33t

12/15   [ Keith, you already posted this, now go away. ]

12/16   Chuck Schuldiner, father of death metal, RIP
        \_ we all die. Get used to it. Even Post-9/11 I'm a cynical fuck
           \_ You're full of yourself.  Posting "we all die. Get used to it"
              in response to everything isn't cynical (again, go look it up).
              It's just highschool level stupid.  Next you'll be posting the
              'dark and cynical' poems you wrote in HS about death and how
              the world sucks and how your mom is so mean because she wouldn't
              let you have the station wagon Saturday night.
              \_ what's wrong with saying we all die? It's true aint it?
              \_ Dude, get 21st century (or at least 1990's); his mom wouldn't
                 let him borrow the Grand Cherokee.

12/16   http://www.dictionary.com  There is a free dictionary search and a
        thesaurus too.  Try it.  At least people will stop picking on you
        for using the wrong words or spelling so poorly.  sheesh.
        \_ There's always 'dict' on csua.

12/15   Why do people bother to nuke the motd if it can be trivially restored?
        \_ Dunno. Go figure.  It's not like a dozen or more people aren't
           keeping private copies plus anyone who can figure out cvs can pull
           it from mehlhaff's archives too.  Maybe it makes them feel big or
           something.  Any psych majors here in need of a senior thesis topic?

12/15   Do people still go to Denny's/Lyons?  Does Lyons in Emeryville
        still close at Midnight?
        \_ yes. I went there the other night at 11pm, had a prime rib
           (which, btw, sucked much ass).  - for almost the same price/per
           qty, you might as well go to outback, which is open until 11
           (outback in pinole).  I've been to denny's lots and realized
           that the service at the e-ville denny's is really realy crappy
           (compared to SoCal denny's).  Hands down, the best all night
           24 hr place i've eaten at was the shorehouse cafe in LBC.

12/15   Motd Poll
        Think Different:
        Dude, yer gettin a Dell:
        \_ What was wrong with my poll?  Why do people destroy such simple
           non-offensive things?:     ...

12/15   http://www.berkeleyartisans.com

12/15   Motd trimmed based on # of responses & age of original.  Trimming was
        not done based on content; sorry if your favorite thread is gone.

         _ Perhaps you should put this on a web page and post a URL.
        /

12/14   http://www.theonion.com/onion3744/java_programmers.html
        links to the "author"'s page.  (i'm so confused this is the first time
        i have EVER thought "is this a real person?" in regards to an onion
        article.  (I have MANY times thought "this is just like a real person"
        but that is no the same) The Authors page links to Lila's.
        (http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~lila/humour/startrek/janeway.vs.picard
        \_reformatted

12/14   Google has Usenet archives available going back to 1981 (starting a
        few days ago). As valuable as this may be, this is really scary if
        you were a flame fetishist in college. I know I was..

12/13   What's the difference between enabling apm and apmd?
        \_ enabling apm provides the kernel hooks to use apm.
           apmd uses those hooks
           \_ After "shutdown -r" the screen goes blank after "System halted"
              but hangs there. "reboot" works fine. Due to lack of APM?
              \_ yes.

12/13   arafat has been assassinated
        \_ prove it.
        \_ bullshit.  not even annanova is reporting that and they'll report
           anything.

12/13   for those of you using bitchx for hoserchat:
        http://toast.blackened.com/OOMon/bitchx.html
        \_ ircII

12/12   Kung Fu Chess fucking owns!!
        http://www.kungfuchess.com/index.php?newuser=1
        \_ owns what?
        \_ Kung Pow: Enter the Fist is cooler http://www.kungpowmovie.com

12/12   Sperm donor must pay child support:
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011209/od/life_sweden_sperm_dc_2.html
        \_ Under appeal.  All this proves is lower courts everywhere are
           moronic full of judges, US not the just in.

12/12   Why is it that sometimes a person finds something works for them,
        for whatever reason, say it calms them down, or distracts them, or
        reminds them of some natal memories, or of being tossed into the
        air when they were young, or whatever, this person declares that
        such an experience (breathing with your diaphgragm, mahatma yoga,
        reading scriptures, walking coals) is good for me, too?
        \_ who said it was good for you too, moron?
        \_ because we're the sharing species. or the generalizing species.
           or the self-referential species. take your pick.
        \_ That's how the whole medical field works, isn't it?  Everything is
           based on confidence levels in statistics.
        \_ They're not cramming it down your throat.  Why do you feel
           threatened?  Would it upset you if someone told you that
           less fat in your diet would reduce your risk of heart attacks?
           I'm sorry they offended you.... Here's a lollipop.
        \_ Just worship my ghod and everything will be all right. Everyone
           else is going to hell.

12/11   [ restored - yeah its old, just deal ]

12/9    I am a male model, not a male prostitute!

12/9    Anybody know where I can buy glass jars that can hold 2-3 gallons?
        I'm making orange and lemon vinegar.  I can only find canning jars
        that are 8-16 ounces.  That's not big enough.  The glass jar has to
        be resealable.  Thanks.
         \_ I used to be able to buy 2 gallon screwcap bottles (like the
            guy in the commercial used for making "Lipton Sun Tea") at Cash &
            Carry. There's one on San Pablo in Richmond. There's also carbuoys,
            which are five gallons, which you can re-seal with a cork. A brewing
            supply store like the Oak Barrel can help you out there.  --ulysses
        \_ Urban Outfitters sells the canning jars that aren't big enough.
           Mentioned it because I thought it might be of use to someone else.

12/9    Great, ebola is back.
        \_ It was never away!

12/9    Too bad the Afghans did not finish the job.
        http://freerepublic.com/focus/fr/587054/posts

12/9    The MIT application has mailing labels that we're suppose to fill out.
        WTF is it for? We fill out our own addresses or what?
        \_ yes. what the fuck do you think? how about you read the god damn
           instructions?
           \_ It looks like we sodans need to work both on our reading AND
              writing skills.

12/8    Speaking of leather, is leather waterproof? Will my leather jacket
        be ok if I walk with it on in light rain?
        \_ Are cows waterproof?
           \_ Cows is not waterproof.
           \_ Cows are not waterproof.
        \_ first canteens where made of leather
        \_ Leather is not waterproof.
        \_ first canteens were made of leather
        \_ suede leather is not waterproof, but all other leather
           should be.
        \_ In general, the leather is "waterproof," so it'll be ok in light
           rain.  However, if it is high quality leather, and you don't want
           it to get that really used, faded, bomber jacket type feel, you
           might want to get it waterproofed, which can be done by most
           dry-cleaners(they send it to a leather specialist).  This will
           coat the leather, and protect the sheen, and the texture of the
           leather.  e.g. if you have a nice Bally jacket, you definitely
           want to do this.
                \_ Cool, thank you.
           \_ actually the best way to deal with rain and leather is once every
              couple of months you souhld oil the thing.  It takes about 15
              minutes and does a good job of keep the leather looking good.
              In fact waterproofing in the end hurts leather because it makes
              oiling the thing much harder.

12/9    Who here is working for an undead dotcom?

Above this line totally reflects the opinions of the opinionated politburo.

The Censorship enacted below this line may not reflect opinions of the CSUA.

12/8    Anyone know what kind of paints you need to paint on leather?
        (i.e. like airbrushing a design on the back of a leather jacket)?
        Or, where I can get this done?
        \_ This is the sort of post that justifies motd anonymity.  The
           guy's obviously serious, but who the hell wants to be known
           as the painted leather jacket guy?
           \_ some guy who can kick your ass.
           \_ Actually, your answer justifies anonymity.  It depends on what
              he wants painted.  If it were an American flag, I'd take my hat
              off to him.
              \_ What kind of hat do you wear?
                 \_ 2 bucks says a baseball cap. even indoors.
           \_ I want an airbrushed dude on a bitchin Harley, with a wolf
              holwing at the full moon in the sky. And a girl, who looks
              like Stevie Nicks staring longingly at me. That's it.
              \_ Baaaaaah.

12/7    Girl psychology poll.
        Forgives and forgets:
        Forgives and doesn't forget:
        Doesn't forgive but forgets:
        Doesn't forgive, doesn't forget:

12/7    Anybody ever own land in London?
        \_ The City of London or the London metro area?
          \_ Either will do. You did, then?

12/7    60 years

12/5    anyone have a "hello sidney" scream soundbite?  email it to me please,
        thanks - turin

12/5    How does one find the multiplicative inverse with modulus m?
        \_ take Euler's method for finding the gcd of two numbers. take
             \_ Euclid's  -ok
           one number as m and the other as the number you would like to
           find the inverse of, and run them through this. then use this
           to construct an expression like "1=<your num>*a + b*m". a is
           your inverse. ask me if you need something more detailed. -chialea
           \_ okay thanks chialea. Can you please point me to a URL that
                explains how the Knapsack problem + multiplicative inverse
                stuff are used for public/private key encryption? Thanks.

12/5    LOLIPOPS, L1KE: BEWARE THE TITAN1UM!

12/5    Is Von Neuman pronounced as "Von New Man" or "Von Noi Man"? I've
        heard both but I'm wondering what is correct.
        \_ sigh.  yes, of course.
           \_ That's not a dumb question.

12/5    Hey, is there a CS Already Graduated Association?
        \_ And how about a CS Never Graduated Association?
           \_ Do either of these associations have available hawt babes of
              the desired gender?
              \_ Doesn't "babes" imply females?
                 \_ is partha female?
                 \_ % grep babe /etc/mail/aliases
                    babe: aaron, scotsman, aubie
                    babe-in-training: babe
                 \_ You've never heard a girl say "He's a babe"?
                   \_ yeah, but always thought she was a confused babe

12/5    What's the purpose of putting titanium dioxide in lollipops?  Is it a
        preservative?  Isn't titanium very expensive?
        \_ It is a dye. It is very white. The amount they use is miniscule.
        \_ Titanium metal is expensive, titanium dioxide is cheap.
           The expense is almost entirely in extracting and machining
           the pure titanium metal.
           \_ I see.  I thought titanium is like gold where the element itself
              is rare.
        \_ It's a conspiracy to ship titantium out of the country via shipments
           of seemingless harmless candy.
           \_ And they encoded some 1024-bit encryption algorithms in the
              quarks of those titanium atoms too.
                \_ Who told you?!  Now you'll have to die!

12/3    Who is a member of LISA? What do yo think?
        \_ LISA (if you speak of Large Installation Systems Administration)
           is a conference.  Perhaps you speak of SAGE?  And what about
           SAGE/USENIX do you want to know? --Jon USENIX/SAGE member.
        \_ LISA is a communist front.

12/5    Say I have a directory full of huge jpg images. Whats the
        command-line way to make a small thumbnail copy of everything?
        \_ /csua/bin/thumbnail_index
           \_ Wonderful!  Thank you!
        \_ share the porn!  pst

11/30   Next semester's officers:
                President       twohey
                VP              ajani
                treasurer       mgoodman
                secretary       karthik
                librarian       darin

11/28   How come K-12 teachers need to get credentials for teaching while
        college professors don't?
        \_ Dunno but maybe they should.  Ever had Prof Wu for math?
        \_ If they do, we can eliminate all the bad prof.s who are only good
           at research but not at teaching.

11/27   What happened to all those old HP workstations in Cory Hall?
        (105 Cory??).  When were they all removed?  What are in
        105 Cory and 199 Cory these days?
        \_ I think they were removed around 97 or so.  PC's replaced them
            in 105 and random machines in 199 originally.
            \_ Dude, you guys are getting Dells.
            \_ 105 and that cluster had HP's as late as fall99 if not
               spring00. -alexf
                \_ raise your hand if you were there for the ambers!

11/27   How the heck do you derive the successor function and addition?
        succ n = lambda f.lambda s.f (n f s)
        add n1 n2 = n1 succ n2
        mult n1 n2 = n1 (add n2) 0
        Okay succ is defined as the number of f that will be applied to s,
        so I guess I kind of understand it. But I don't understand add/mult

11/27   Does pacbell DSL provide any of the following newsgroups:
                alt.binaries.games
                alt.binaries.anime
                alt.binaries.old.games
        Thank you for your non-imflammatory replies.
        \_ the pacbell news server, <DEAD>news.sbcglobal.net<DEAD> does not
           carry the alt.binaries.* tree.
           \_ actually, all 3 are carried on the pacbell news
              server <DEAD>news.sf.sbcglobal.net<DEAD>.

11/25   I am tired of shaving every day.  What can I do?
        \_ grow a beard.
        \_ Epil-stop!  Only $19.95!
           \_ is this the stuff you see in late-night infomercials?  does this
              stuff really work?
        \_ I started shaving every other day instead of every day a couple
           years ago.
        \_ Hormone shots!

11/25   Ali, are you an Iranian or an Iraqi? Or do you prefer to be called
        "Persian"?

11/24   My Ultra 5 power supply died. Sun charges $125. Anyone know
        where to get them cheap? TIA.
        \_ work

11/22   Where to get/apply/filly out FAFSA? Wasn't included in my package...
        \_ STFW

11/22   What's the name for that command (it might be a Red Hat thing) that
        is like, supposed to automate configuring startup scripts at
        different run-levels? I guess it basically just creates and lists
        symlinks for you... but it was kind of convenient.
        \_ It's a red hat thing.  You can type "control-panel" and select
           the runlevel editor.
           \_ Actually... I should have mentioned that it was a command-line
              tool. Thanks.
              \_ /sbin/chkconfig --dim
                 \_ ah, thanks!

11/22   How realistic is the movie Anti-Trust?  I mean, beautiful
        women in CS, not a single Indian Engineer...
        \_ almost as silly as Hackers was.

11/22   How come some school applications (very few) require a resume?
        Should I just include my resume to all of the applicaitons, or only
        send it when they request it?

11/22   Thanks for kooks.

11/22   What's the new URL for the recipe site that used to be on
        <DEAD>soar.berkeley.edu<DEAD>? -last minute thanksgiving pie maker
        \_ http://www.recipesource.com -chaos

11/22   Where can I find the last episode II trailer?  thanks.
        \_ what's yer email address?

11/21   Anybody knows of a free site for MFI (money flow indicator) for
        individual stock/sector?
        \_ No, just somebody.

11/21   Lili [Patton] and I used to work in the same lab. She was reserved
        and submissive.
        \_ And you remain an idiot.

11/21   I'd like to reverse engineer her out of that dress, if you know what
        I'm saying.

11/16   General meeting scheduled for 11/29 6pm in 337 Soda. Elections will
        be held.

11/15   Is Interval Research finally dead? The web site is dead.
        \_ I thought it's some project to study whether time is quantized or
           not.  Never mind.

11/15   Anyone knows where to get the SPI standard?
        \_ http://www.oiforum.com  SPI-3 was originally POS-PHY3, and you might
           want to poke around PMCS and see if they have any information
           regarding that or SATURN.
           \_ sorry, wasn't specific enough.  i mean Serial Peripheral
              Interface (SPI).

11/15   Hey, all you freaks who need a wtc fix, go read Sum of All Fears ('91)
        by Tom Clancy.  You'll find it highly relevant.  Feel free to
        skip uninteresting sections -- you can always go back.

11/14   "NTT DoCoMo to Launch Video Service for 3G Phones"
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011114/tc/telecoms_docomo_video_dc_1.html
        Anyone knows where I can find the movie clip shown in the photo?

11/13   The last of the stuff is on, everything must go:
        <DEAD>www.euphorion.com/sale<DEAD>      --dbushong
        \_ is this some dotcom failed sale?  Lower the price somemore.
           \_ Something like that.
        \_ sorry, your stuff is neither new nor cheap. I'd rather ebay
        \_ you take PayPal?
           \_ I'm sure you can work out the payment method when you go
              there to pick up the stuff.

11/13   ``He said, `New York City is really being tested. It's a shame.' I
        said, `Mr. President, New York City is up to the test.'''

11/12   Speaking of career changes, know of any UCB CS people who
        have changed careers (non-CS related)?
        \_ yes
        \_ On a related note, anyone from L&S CS do something else for grad
           school?  What was it like?

11/12   Here's one for the Carly Fiorina fans:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5099464,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01

11/12   Tons more stuff for sale:  <DEAD>www.euphorion.com/sale<DEAD>
        --dbushong

11/12   On paper, how do you figure out what log_2 (4/3) is? I remember
        log_2 (4/3) = log_2 4 - log 3 = 2 - log 3. Now what?
        \_ 2 - log_2 3 = 2 - ln 3 / ln 2.  Then get a mathematical table and
           look up ln 3 and ln 2.  Or use a polynomial of ln(1+x).  I forgot
           the polynomial.  --- yuen
           \_ ln(1+x) = x + x^2/2 + x^3/3 + x^4/4 + ..., for |x| < 1.
              As another poster pointed out, log_2(4/3) = ln(4/3)/ln(2)
              \_ That polynomial is wrong.  Try ln(1 + 0.9).
              \_ It should be ln(1+x) = x/1 - x^2/2 + x^3/3 - x^4/4 + ...
           \_ that was remarkably useless.
              \_ How else would you do that?
                 \_ perhaps they mean the question, and therefore the whole
                \_ real?  imaginary?  quaternion?  octonion?
                    thread is useless, which it is.
        \_ Here:
           log_X (Y) = log_anything(Y) / log_anything(X)
           where anything is, well, any number.
           \_ real?  imaginary?  quaternion?  octonion?  sedenion?
              \_ Yes, for any reasonable definition of the "log_X (Y)" symbol
                 over these domains. For domains more general than positive
                 reals where a "log" is still definable, Log becomes
                 multivalued... which only results in the above
                 holding for "some appropriate" branch thereof. -alexf
              \_ Damn, look who looked at a fancy math book
                 for a few hefty terms. I'm surprised you were
                 even able to spell those words correctly.
              \_ If you wanted to show off, you could simply say
                 "non-positive?" instead of throwing out all the other terms.
                 Besides, you should've said "complex?" instead of "imaginary?"
                 to make your progression of terms correct.
                 \_ alexf insults deleted
           \_ But then how do you proceed on paper?  Same problem.
        \_ how accurate do you need to be?  you can get a rough approximation
           using differentials.
           \_ just use a fucking calculator.
                \_ no calculator on the GRE

11/12   My ring finger is too weak.  Is there any way to strengthen it?
        \_ Jerk off with your left hand.
        \_ Why, pray tell, do you want to do that?

11/12   Click here for gay pr0n!
        http://www.utoronto.ca/interv/frames2/general2/doctors/gay/gay.htm
        \_ is that a man or a woman?

11/12   http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20011109/tv/mdf79059.html
        I've never seen Britney being that big.

11/9    "FBI: Same Person Probably Wrote Anthrax Letters"
        ttp://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011109/ts/attack_anthrax_fbi_dc.html
        More than a whole month after anthrax letters appeared, the FBI has
        finally come up with a criminal profile:
        - probably an adult
        - probably male
        - may have worked in a lab or had a scientific background
        - may have gotten vaccine or antibiotics.
        A high school kid can come up with this in twenty seconds.  Geez.
        \_ uhhh, right.  and after 20 odd years on the unabomber case,
           they had a profile of an out of work airline employee with
           little to no education waering sunglasses and a sweatshirt.
           \_ - There are a lot more adult criminals than minor criminals.  Ie.
                the % of adults among criminals is higher than the % of adults
                in the general population.
        \_ Ok, you've had some college or maybe graduated.  Let's hear your
           educated reasoning that would bring one to this 20 second
           conclusion.
           \_ - There are a lot more adult criminals than minor criminals.
              - Same argument for male.
              - Having either worked in a lab or had a scientific background
                makes it much easier (although not easy) to understand and
                get anthrax.
              - Knowing that anthrax is hazardous, it's more likely that not
              FBI has said anyway.  ("probably", "may".)
                that (s)he's taken steps to protect himself/herself with
                vaccine or antibiotics so that (s)he can stay healthy and
                produce a chain of attacks.
              None of these are definite conclusion, but neither was what the
              FBI has said anyway ("probably", "may", "or").
                \_ The difference is when the FBI says "probably" they're right
                   more often than your random guesswork.
                   \_ But according to that article, the only thing that the
                      FBI is near certain is that all three letters were
                      written by the same person.

11/9    Let's say you have f(n)=2^n. Then as a function of n the output is
        exponential (easy). In that case, why is it that as a function of
        f(n) the output is linear?
        \_ I don't know what "output" means, but I'll try.  Let m =
           f(n), then m = 2^n, hence f(n) = 2^n = m, and hence f(n) =
           m.  So f(n) is a linear function of m, therefore f(n) is a
           linear function of f(n).  I guess that means the "output"
           is linear.
           \_ so this is universally true no matter what f(n) is right?
              \_ uh, so f(n) is always linear to itself?  well, duh.
        \_ Is this from some Math class in Cal?  Which one?

11/9    In async serial communication, what's the purpose of using 1.5 or 2
        stop bits instead of just 1?  Doesn't that only waste time and slow
        down the line?  Thanks.  -- UART newbie
        \_ Bits are good.  More bits are better!
        \_ What's 1.5 bits?  How do you divide a bit?
                \_ run the clock twice as fast
           \_ probably alternates between 1 and 2 bits on each transmission.
              Just a guess. google it.
           \_ http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-19.html#ss19.2
              "In rare cases 1 1/2 stop bits are used. This means that the
              line is kept at -12 V for 1 1/2 time periods (like a stop bit 50%
              wider than normal)."
              wider than normal)."  But that doesn't say why someone would want
              to use more than 1 stop bits.

11/9    "Let's roll!"

11/8    The Tick premieres on Fox today.  Anyone really care?
        \_ maybe
        \_ yes