3/26    Georgia lawmakers definitely need to watch more bad porn...
        http://csua.org/u/6lx
        \_ yea, like this guy: http://csua.org/u/6m6
           \_ reg req'ed
              \_ whoa, didn't this morning...

3/25    Any recommendations on cordless earphones?

3/25    Does mehlhaff's motd archive need to get restarted?

3/25    Check out the picture on the bottom of the article.  If your kid looks
        like this, DO NOT under any circumstance take them to McDonalds!
        http://csua.org/u/6lf
        \_ huh?  what article?  did you post the right link?
           \_ Fixed it.
        \_ Holy shit. Amen dude...
        \_ Yikes, could I have that mu-mu super-sized, please?

3/25    What you need to know about Digital Rights Management
        http://www.publicknowledge.org/content/overviews/citizens-guide-to-drm/view
        or http://csua.org/u/6l9

3/24    Study: Undergrad enrollment in engineering/CS dropped 19% last year.
        http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/8263034.htm
        \_ Wahoo!  Now we can have fun again.
        \_ Good riddance. Those 19% probably were mostly "make money fast"
           types.
        \_ Cal students should ignore the trends when picking majors.
           "Berkeley" carries lots of brand recognition & respect among
           employers.

3/24    Anyone know a place in downtown Berkeley that serves a Thai fishball
        noodle soup as good as the one at Wat Mongkolratanaram?

3/23    I seem to be getting sniffles from one of my pillows.  Does that
        happen to anybody else?  What are the pros and cons of feather and
        foam pillows?  THANKS.
        \_ You are probably developing an allergy to chicken feathers. Switch
           to a hypoallergenic pillow or foam and see if it goes away.
           \_ foam has significant amounts of chemicals (e.g., formaldehyde),
              and these chemicals are showing up in breast milk of all
              places. foam is bad!
        \_ on a side note, anyone know where to get cheap posturpedic-style
           pillows? the ones sold at Brookstone are such a ripoff.
           \_ i bought a buckwheat pillow at walgreen's for $10. is that what
                you are talking about?
        \_ try washing it more often?
        \_ stop fucking it!  you pervert!

3/22    [ Deleted.  Fix your attitude and try again. ]

3/23    The Matrix in 2 minutes.  Headphones are recommended.
        http://djs.furserve.com/VA/matrixintwominutes.mp3

*/*     <waves wand of anti-censorp over motd>

3/22    RIP: Brian Maxwell, PowerBar founder, Berkeley alum (1975)
        \_ and donator of cash for the Maxwell Family Field (formerly
           Kleeberger) -tom
        \_ That's just too strange. This guy ran marathons and he died at
           51?! Thank your parents for your genes.
           \_ statistics don't apply well to individuals.  for example,
              suffering heart complications from a viral infection doesn't
              mean you were living an unhealthy lifestyle or belonging
              to a high risk group (at least not a well understood
              high risk group...)
           \_ Maybe he ate too many PowerBars?
        \_ A couple of years ago (maybe the year he sold PowerBar to
           Nestle), he was the largest private donor to Cal.  I think
           he gave $5M.
                \_ ohhh. so that's whata Maxwell Family field is?
                   I was trying to figure it out from the
                   descriptions in the news.
           Nestle), he was the largest single private donor to Cal.
           I think he gave $5M.

3/22    A while back someone posted the URL where Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani
        answered a bunch of questions about Shariah.  Does anyone still have
        the URL?
        \_ motd archives?

3/22    We need a motd awareness infosession. Posts have been bland lately.
        \_ shut the fuck up.  the reason why it's bland is because people
           like you keep censoring it.

3/19    Al Qaeda aims at US target because it disagrees with the US Policy.
        What is wrong with the US Policy again?
        \_ Is this a troll?
        \_ No, they kill non-Muslims of all types because they're non-Muslims.
           Convert or die.  The 'problem' with US policy is the US isn't an
           Islamic state run by some Ayatollah.
                \_ wow, how clever. looks like one troller responds to
                   another troller.

3/19    humorous legalese:
        http://www.oxo.com/info/terms.html

3/18    YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID!  YOU MUST SEEK COMPUTATIONAL EQUVALENCE!
        \_ Whoa!  That's deep!  You just changed my whole life!  Thanks!

3/18    [techie thing purged]

3/18    What's wrong with http://ftp.gnustep.org?
           \_ actually it was my firewall.
              \_ no it wasnt.

3/17    who was the austin texas guy?  if i were there RIGHT
        now THIS WEEK I would go see this tomorrow:
        http://www.sxsw.com/music/showcases/pages/6222.html - danh
        \_ SXSW is awesome. I went on Trilogy's dollar back in the .com era.

3/17    Anybody have any stories they can share about the Sterling Institue?
        \_ Just say "no" if they ask if you want an anal probe. It's not
           as fun as they say it is.

3/17  "Free Hotmail users: If you do not wish to receive Hotmail member
        letters, you may close your Hotmail account."
        \_ And this is surprising how?  Of course free service users will get
           ads.
        \_ does hotmail let you filter things based on patterns?
           just filter stuff from http://microsoft.com .  i use
           http://catholic.org for free webmail, it's awesome.

3/15    Do animals instinctively know not to look into the sun? I wonder how
        many of them just stare at it some time and have blind spots the rest
        of their lives.
        \_ because it hurts so they dont?  because if they did theyd go blind
           and get darwined out? for the same reason human infants dont.

3/14    I support chews for cheeses.  Also, the establishment of a religion
        for the promotion of the Jamaican dialect called "More mons".

3/15    all i can say is , bend over Spain.. bend over..
        \_ must be tough to communicate when you have that problem.
           do you just resort to writing? i imagine it sometimes
           slips out though, in emotional circumstances.  --NERFAMC
           \_ huh?  is this motdedit munging things again?
                  \_ You are humor impaired.  Train harder.

3/15    Anybody heard anything about the Regents buidling a new UC campus in
        Stockton?
        \_ You don't mean UC Merced, do you?

3/15    Joseph Smith was called a prophet, dum dum dum dum dum...
        \_ But then the motd had a flame war, smart smart smart smart smart.

3/15    If you're a Roman dictator, watch your back.
        \_ He is a dreamer; let us leave him. Pass.

3/15    Good.  Use your aggressive feelings, sodans.  Let the hate flow
        through you.

3/1     I love this site: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame16.html
        Remind you of anyone?
        \_ That site is nice, and has come up on the motd more than once.
           However, it doesn't really have categories necessary for the
           motd - Mormon Freeper Trigger Finger Man, for instance, or
           ChinaTroll, or even ilyas, psb, and tom who should have categories
           all their own (i.e. The Ilyas, The Psb, The Tom).

3/14    When I visited Salt Lake City some years ago, I noticed many large
        families (with lots of kids) dressed in suits walking on the streets
        layed out in Cartesian coordinates.  The girls tend to look cute, but
        the boys almost always seem retarded.  So here are my two questions:
        do mormons tend to reproduce a lot?  are they prone to inbreeding?
        \_ hey, if you find a city laid out in elliptic coordinates or
           hyperbolic coordinates, could you please post its location?
        \_ what do Cartesian coordinates have to do with this?
           \_ The motd is slowly becoming an Umberto Eco novel.
           \_ If you have been to SLC or looked at its map, you would know.
        \_ Nice Troll.
           \_ Maybe it is to you, but this is also a puzzle for me for many
              years.  Do you have an answer?
              \_ Ok, Yes. No.
        \_ yeah, those damsn mormons... everyone else in the world uses
           POLAR coordinates...

3/12    [ stupid thread deleted then. ]
        \_ cool, should have been done a long while ago

3/12    Does anyone have any experience with air courier services
        (where you deliver a package or something and then get to
        fly for extremely discounted prices)? Are they reliable?
        Safe? Thanks.
        \_ Carry this bomb for me?  Free air fare! thanks!
        \_ Can you please carry this heavy ticking, smoking, leaking
           box on that plane for me?  I'll pay you double at the other
           side.  Thanks!

3/12    Will you ever admit you are depressed?
         ________________________________________
        / Uh, why wouldn't you? Half of the fun  \
        \ of being depressed is wallowing in it. /
         ----------------------------------------
                \   ^__^
                 \  (oo)\_______
                    (__)\       )\/\
                        ||----w |
                        ||     ||
           \_ denial stage.
        \_ can you draw one with primary and secondary sexual characteristics?
           \_ never heard of cowsay?

3/11    Female rats can produce new eggs after they are born:
        http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994765
        \_ Great as if there weren't enough rats already.

3/11    Wow!  This is the longest motd I've seen so far.
        \_ 480 lines... that's nothing.
        \_ certainly not a record, but noteworthy nonetheless. I've archived
           large motd's too, by date.  Biggest on record was 856 lines.
           ~mehlhaff/motd_archive/ -ERic

3/11    Lots of massive motd editing/censoring/trimming today.
        \_ crap.  I miss all the best stuff on heavy work days....

3/11    At what "link quality" level (as shown by iwconfig) does network
        speed/latency begin to get worse?

3/11    dumb question, but I'm curious. Any guesses as to what
        "obidos" stands for in all the amazon urls'?
        \_ Our Business Involves Duping Our Shareholders
           Our Books Include Drawings Or Sentences

3/11    I like my Yahoo! Launch station.  Just today, I got back-to-back songs
        with these lyrics:
        - "He's Sure The Boy I Love", The Crystals
        He doesn't hang diamonds round my neck,
        And all he's got's an unemployment check
        He sure ain't the boy I been dreamin' of,
        But he's sure the boy I love.
        - "Look At Your Hands", George Michael
        Na na na na na na lady look at your hands
        You got two fat children and a drunken man
        Betcha don't, betcha don't, betcha don't like your life
        Betcha don't, betcha don't, betcha don't like it

3/10    My new Beretta filter is outputing black water, not just a few
        black particles.  The only unusual thing I did with it was shaking
        it.  Did I break it and let loose some ink/pocket of extra fine
        charcoal or was it defective to begin with?
        \_ You mean Britta?  Baretta is a gun maker.
        \_ If it did that before you shook it, it's defective.  If it started
           after shaking, I'd guess you broke the charcoal.  Either way you can
           probably return it as defective if there's any doubt.
        \_ dumb question, but did you remember to soak it first?

3/10    On yesterday's motd regards to people who are tinkering about
        seeking opportunties in mainland China / Taiwan, let's talk more.
                        --kngharv

3/10    Looking for a new career?
        http://www.fortune.com/fortune/annie/0,15704,598851,00.html?cnn=yes
        \_ There's no content here.  It just says you can have a better life
           if you're willing to have less money doing something you enjoy more.

3/10    next american idol...NOT!
        http://www.stfu.se/stfu.swf

3/10    Anybody ever take a sensual massage class? Recommendations?
        \_ Yes, send your gf immediately!

3/10    Where's Waldo (takes a while to find)  Good with sound.
        http://www.andrewconner.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/waldo.swf  -John
        \_ gee, another totally unamusing "shocking image after 60 seconds"
           page.

3/10    t'rowmail quesshun: duz anyone know how t'configure t'rowmail t'do
        sump'n likes pipe all incomin' mail fo' all users drough JIBE?
        \_ google for milter

3/10    How good are extra back protectors vs. the ones built into the jacket?
        Can you actually wear both, or is it meant to be worn with a light
        jacket?
        http://www.cyclegear.com/mailcoupon/03-09-04_instore_only.html
        \_ I've been using the same front pocket protector for years without
           a single ruined shirt!  Everyone in my LUG uses them now!

3/9     \_ I wanna make the China version of Yahoo Maps / Mapquest.
           Anyone here has any experience?  eg. Worked at Navtech?
           We can start with like Beijing and move on from there.
           \_ In Taiwan right now, and talked to friends from the mainland
              regards to LBS service.  The main issue is that, unlike USA,
              which essentially gave out GIS map of entire country for free
              (TIGER db), in both mainland China and Taiwan, GIS Maps has to be
              purchased.  I am less familiar with what is going on in the
              mainland, but in Taiwan, first, the government actually holds
              copyright on these maps, secondly, the government impose a very
              restrictive license on how the map can be used, and charge a
              very handsome sum for "value-added redistribution."
              Second issue is less difficult.  There is simply no good Chinese
              parser out there to tokenize addresses.
                 \_ pain in the butt, nothing more, and there are issue of
                    chinese literal versus arabic numerals, full-width
                    latin characters, half-width characters, etc, etc.
                    to get things right, it requires some tedious work.
                    The main issue lies upon the avaliablity of GIS maps.
              In taiwan, life get even more complicated because maps are
              controlled by several different government agencies.

              The main obsticle is that Chinese people on both strait treat
              map as some sort of military secret, and very reluctant to
              release them to civilian use.

              If you are interested in this kind of things, email me, as I
              am in the process of getting street maps of Taipei to play
              with (which going to cost me $150 USD just for personal use).
                                        -kngharv
              \_ You mean in Taiwan tourists can't buy somthing like "Map of
                 Taipei" at a bookstore for a few bucks?
              \_ I don't get the tokenize address part.  Just let the
                 user enter the address as seperate fields.  Take my
                 aunt's address (using commie romanization):
                 tai2 bei3 (taipei city), xin1 dian4 (subdivision), zhong1
                 zheng4 lu4 (road), wu3 hao4 (number)
                 If they write it all together, sure, but if it's entered
                 in seperate fields or with a delimiter, I don't see
                 what's the difficulty.
                 \_ apparently neither did the people who already made it
                    work. http://www.taiwan-map.com/Address.asp
        \_ this is cute and all but what is your business model?

3/8     Careers, sex, religion, politics, tech.  What else am I missing?
        \_ housing
        \_ food
        \_ water
           \_ not many discussions about water.
             \_let's do drinks then...

3/8     How do jewelers clean jewelry?  Ultrasonic bath?  Steam?  Anyone
        have any tips on how to clean a diamong ring with lots of little nooks
        and crannies?
        \_ Didi Seven
         ultrasonic can knowck the diamond loose if you have a prong setting
         ultrasonic can knowck the diamond loose if you hae a prong setting
         (like a tiffany's setting) so most suggest using steam.  a cheap way
         is to get an espresso/cappacino maker.  check http://www.diamondtalk.com for
         more info.

3/8     Perception / optical illusion tests (which are the same color, which
        is bigger, etc.).  If you want to report, please post first scores
        only.  You'll need like 10-15 minutes.  link:csua.org/u/6c1
        \_ What a stupid site.  God, I hate the BBC's approach to "Science"
           reporting.

3/8     Is there a procedure to get more than 110v from the wall receptacle?
        Do I need to be rezoned industrial and have specialized equipment
        installed in my building?
        \_ Just run an extension cord from your dryer or cooktop.
        \_ No, you just need an electrician.
        \_ You should be able to get 220v installed.  It's used for some major
           appliances.
        \_ Ever heard of a thing called a "transformer"?
           \_ Robots in disguise!

3/8     Spalding Gray - RIP

3/8     Has anyone tried forwarding spam to uce@@ftc.gov?  Any use?

3/8     tawei, do you have any children yet?
        \_ why do you say "yet"?  -!tawei

3/7     Has anyone tried forwarding spam to uce@ftc.gov?  Any good?

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3/5     How do people calculate the surface area of porous rocks
        or other similar "holey" surfaces?
        \_ Heat exchange is proportional to surface area.  You can try putting
           the rock in water, and designing some simple experiments to figure
           out what the surface area must be.  (This will not give you an
           exact answer, but a better approximation than geometric methods, I
           think).  -- ilyas
        \_ exact or estimate?
                \_ either -op
                   \_ estimate: get a box, ball or other object of the same
                      general shape, measure & calculate.  i have no clue at
                      all how to do the exact surface area.  i guess if you
                      painted the object with a known thickness of another
                      substance but that sounds really iffy to me.
                      \_ estimates should at be accurate within an order of
                         magnitude.  your method provides no such guarantee and
                         is likely to be way, way off.
                         \_ shrug, no one else was even trying.  note below
                            that someone else says my 'coat it with a
                            substance' method is actually what chemists do.
                            so if my method is so poor, what is your method?
                            \_ I don't have a method.  I know that I don't know
                               the answer.
                               \_ ok then, someone else said my idea is what
                                  happens in the real world and you have no
                                  idea at all.  thanks for clarifying.
                                  \_ I was objecting to your /estimate/ about
                                     finding an object of the same general
                                     shape.  The /exact/ method with the paint
                                     is fine.  Yeesh.
        \_ this is a very common problem among chemical enginners who
           dealt with catalyst all the time. go ask them.  If it's a rock
           of irregular shape, then, people usually just estimate them.
           otherwise, there are fancy ways such as putting a chemical cloat
           on that thing, by finding out how much chemical you used, you get
           a good estimate of what is the surface area.
        \_ see Perry's Chemical Engineering Guide. in Chemistry Library
                \_ I'm nowhere near berkeley. can you summarize then?

3/5     [ censoring is bad. ]

3/5     ICGE guy, their BlackBoard is going to IPO.

3/5     It is time for vigilante action against spammers.
        \_ it was time years ago.
        \_ vigilante action against spammers has been going on as long as
           spam has--it has accomplished nothing.  -tom
        \_ Uzani, his army, with fists open.  His army with fists closed.
           \_ too much STNG for you
              \_ Temarc. The river Temarc, in winter.
              \_ Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra.
                 \_ Arms wide open?
              \_ Daramk and Jalad at Tenagra.
        \_ sick Shipley on them?

3/5     Someone mentioned an e-mail address to which we can forward spams
        in order for the govt to take some action.  What is the address again?
        Thanks.
        \_ There's fraud@ftc.gov, but that's only for out-and-out scams, like
           MIRIAM ABACHA and the rest of the 419 crowd.  I think all mails
           there probably get saved to a giant database and then ignored.

3/5     Is there a soda program to take a bunch of attached jpgs out of an
        email and saving them as files?
        \_ /usr/local/bin/munpack for all MIME or split-uuencode attachments.
           \_ thanks, this is perfect

3/5     "Don't argue with idiots.  They drag you down to their level, then
        beat you with experience."  I always forget the best axioms.
        --scotsman
        \_ Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, but the
           pig likes it.  -John
        \_ That's not an axiom.  It's an empirical result based on talking
           to tom, ivy and jsl.
           \_ Case in point. --scotsman
           \_ very nice, anonymous coward.  -tom
                \_ so I presume somewhere there was a long heated argument
                   before this ad hominen?  Where can I get a transcript of
                   this long heated argument?
                   \_ well, it's hard to say, since he's an anonymous coward,
                      but a guess would be one of the nutcase freepers
                      who delete threads when they run out of red herrings.
                        -tom
                        \_ ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v .  Look back about 15 years.
                           -John
                           \_ 15 years?  it has been that long.
                        \_ yeah poor tom, so friendly, so worthwhile to engage
                           in public debate.  the only thing you've ever done
                           with a name is abuse it.  when you grow up and
                           learn to behave people will stop tormenting you and
                           you'll learn the names of those you're talking to.
                           \_ I'll just follow your stellar example.  -tom
                              \_ example of what?  truth hurts, huh?
                                 \_ example of extreme hypocrisy and cowardice;
                                    what are you doing other than "abusing a
                                    name"?  -tom
                                    \_ showing pity.
                                       \_ you're a pathetic wimp.  -tom
                                          \_ there! see how you are? -reiffin
                                             \_ sorry, try again, it wasn't
                                                me but i do find your little
                                                rants amusing. -reiffin
                                             \_ sorry not me but i did find it
                                                amusing.  -reiffin

3/4     what is the cash street value of a handheld cell phone jammer?
        \_ $16

4/3     Oh SOB erased the MANPATH debate.  It was going so well.  Why not
        get rid of something boring like that "fooled by a spam" thread

3/3     I finally got a judgement from the appeals case! How do I collect?
        \_ Tell us more details.
           \_ Including if the other party has any money.

3/2     [ no, really.  My entry was in /usr/motd.  Fuck you. ]

3/3     [repost from old thread]
                       \_ How long does it take to get to the station and find
                          parking in the morning?
                          \_ There are always more than a hundred empty spaces
                             in the parking structure even at 9am everyday.
                             \_ Which parking lot are you at?  If I'm not there
                                by 8:30, it's completely filled.
        new response --->       \_ Hayward BART.
        \_ Cool, thanks, I was wondering about that after someone obliterated
           yet another useful thread.

3/3     Is there a difference between a solution being "basic" and it
        being "alkaline"? I always believed that both meant the solution
        had a pH greater than 7.
        \_ Amazing.  You're right.

3/1     Three generations ago, it was routine for an 18 year old
        and a 17 year old to strike out on their own, get married,
        settle and work a 160 acre piece of land, build their own
        house with their neighbors help and start having children.
        These young people strike me as mature. Perhaps some things
        have changed in 100 years, but human nature has not. Do
        not confuse the fact that you don't know any mature 18
        year olds with the idea that there are none anywhere in
        the world.
        \_ I too long for the days where I could exploit the lower
           class. Thousands of slaves, living hand to mouth, working
           in factories with cheap, unreliable equipment... you could
           throw away dozens of lives a day and no one could do
           anything about it!  What a paradise that time was!
        \_ I too long for the days where I could exploit the lower class.
           Thousands of slaves, living hand to mouth, working in factories
           with cheap, unreliable equipment... you could throw away dozens of
           lives a day and no one could do anything about it!  What a paradise
           that time was!
        \_ There is much historically lacking in this statement.
           This version hasn't been acceptable even
           in high school level textbooks for, I'm guessing, about
           twenty years. Please don't take this as a personal attack
           but, well, you just need to do more reading before making
           statements like this if you expect to be taken seriously.
           Note that your core thesis - that individuals were often
           in positions of greater responsibility at an earlier age
           in the 19th century US is essentially correct IIRC - for a
           particular number of socioeconomic strata. The same could,
           however, likely be said for people from comparable
           backgrounds today. Take, for instance, a single teenage
           mother in Compton or the Rust Belt. -- ulysses
           \_ Just because it isn't PC to talk about the settlers
              doesn't mean it didn't happen. My great grandfather left
              home at 15, got a job as a ranch hand, and settled his
              own 1/4 section at 19 with his young bride, so I know it
              happened. I really don't see what in my statement would
              imply that there are no mature teenagers here since I
              stated the opposite. And yes, I agree, it has a lot to
              do with socioeconomic opportunities and responsibilities.
              I know young people that have worked since 14 and helped
              raise little brothers and sisters and are pretty mature
              compared to your average Cal student.
              \_ My very bad. I re-read your post and I was being a braindead
                 since, as you say, you had already pointed out that people
                 all over are in the position of being responsible for a
                 family at an early age. However, the main innaccuracy stands.
                 Though the anecdotal example of your own background shows one
                 example of the settler model, the majority of
                 individuals from the same period did not settle land - that's
                 pretty much just Western mythology. And, of those that did,
                 the vast majority did not make it more than a couple of
                 seasons. Good for your grandparents, though. I hope somebody
                 in your family has decided to write all down since those
                 experiences make for great histories. -- ulysses
              \_ Bully for grandpa. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't support
                 a trend, doesn't tell us anything about his maturity at the
                 time, and doesn't change the fact that _today's_ 18 year
                 old is remarkably immature when compared to today's 23 year
                 old, let alone today's 28 year old.
                 \_ It really depends on the 18 year old, the 23 year old
                    and the 28 year old. Young people are capable of being
                    mature, even if most are not, that is the point.
           in the 19th century US is essentially correct IIRC - for a
           particular number of socioeconomic strata. The same could,
           however, likely be said for people from comparable
           backgrounds today. Take, for instance, a single teenage
           mother in Compton or the Rust Belt. -- ulysses
           \_ Just because it isn't PC to talk about the settlers doesn't
              mean it didn't happen. My great grandfather left home at 15,
              got a job as a ranch hand, and settled his own 1/4 section
              at 19 with his young bride, so I know it happened. I really
              don't see what in my statement would imply that there are
              no mature teenagers here since I stated the opposite.
              And yes, I agree, it has a lot to do with socioeconomic
              opportunities and responsibilities. I know young people
              that have worked since 14 and helped raise little brothers
              and sisters and are pretty mature compared to your average
              Cal student.
                    \_ I'm a fanatical individualist, so I certainly won't
                       argue that point with you.  In general, however, you
                       know you've got an uphill battle convincing anyone
                       that 18 year olds are more mature than 23 year olds.
                       \_ No one has said or implied that except for you.
        \_ We coddle our youngsters here.

3/1     Pink Underwear for Inmates
        http://csua.org/u/68d

3/1     China: US Human Rights Record Abysmal
        http://csua.org/u/68e
        Pot, kettle, yes, yes, we know.
        \_ did you ever listen to the English Radio Moscow broadcasts during
           the cold war?  millions of political prisoners in the US, etc. etc.

2/29    boy who feels no love
        <DEAD>www.lyricsdir.com/h/hanson/wheres-the-love.php<DEAD>

2/29    List your favourite alternative/pop/KROQ-like music from 1990-1992.
        I'll start. Also list any particular songs you like:
        REM, U2, Depech Mode

2/29    they're re-running Beavis & Butt-head on MTV2! yesh.

2/29    Happy February 29!  See you in four years!
        \_ If you're lucky to live that long, buddy!

2/28    [ no. ]

2/29    The post below reminds me of another post many years ago regarding
        op's uncle who said he lost all sensations on his left side (arm,
        legs, etc). It turned out to be a mini-stroke. Whatever happened
        to the op's uncle?
        \_ he had a ministroke, duh.

2/28    Family Guy definitely to return:
        http://dvd.ign.com/articles/495/495464p1.html?fromint=1
        \_ uhm, so?  next you'll be here telling us firefly is back too.

2/28    Why do people feel the need to sign someone else's name? -- ilyas

2/27    Exploding Taiwanese whale, whose sperm made it a whale of a celebrity:
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4096586
        \_ You're a few weeks late...

2/26    I'm on your mom.  Does she care?
        \_ She's on the rag.  Do you care?
         \_ one word... menopause

2/26    I want to view images via putty.  Any way to do this?
        \_ it's on putty.  go there if you care.

2/26    How come the big flamefest about Gibson's Jesus movie was all *before*
        it came out?  Does anyone who's actually seen it have any comments?

2/24    Huzzah to the mighty motd censor!  Only boring threads remain!  Huzzah!
        Huzzah!

2/24    gimble proctor lemma pi?
        arslan yurgle bomar sty.
        von in herlein stewmer roe,
        klammar pocksnar dingle toe.

        Es nicks las doorknob jumping lingle,
        Sten door hicksville lemming pringle.
        Guns have boring lives, it's true;
        But they at least won't die like you.

2/24    Recreational grieving.
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1051857.htm

2/23    Sorry I missed the answer to this last week.  Reposting...
        [Search motd archive]

2/23  Happy Soviet Armed Forces Day! -- ilyas
      \_ ah yes the good ole Red Army and Navy.. I miss it much.
      \_ I don't celebrate Roman or Aztec Armed Forces Day anymore either.
         \_ Why you're not even worthy of sacrificing to Queatzalcoatl.
            \_ Yeah, I don't think the Aztecs played netrek to determine
               who got sacrificed.
      \_ how did they distribute military equipment after the USSR broke up?
         \_ Looting.

2/23    Do you think My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance was cruel?
        \_ Yes, but seeing how fuckin stupid Randi was,
           saying "I did this all for you, my family" was
           the most pathetic line ever muttered. That trash
           (girl + family alike) deserves what happened.
           \_ There was nothing wrong with the family.  She was undeserving of
              a family that cared for her so much.  At what point were any of
              the Coy family trashy?  --Coy family defender #1
                \_ I agreed with you, until the end when they said it was
                   all ok since Randi did this all for them. They're either
                   gullible as hell, or Fox did a great job of editing.
                   \_ I think that was some clever editing and the Coys trying
                      to make the best of a *really* ugly situation that their
                      stupid daughter and the producers put them in.  Did you
                      expect them to say they'd never talk to her again?  I
                      saw a mini-interview with her which said she and her dad
                      are 'working on their relationship' or some such thing,
                      so although the show ended with peaches and roses, the
                      off screen reality is much different for the Coys.  I
                      think Steve made the show funny, she was a total loser
                      and the Coy family were 100% victims and decent people.
                      \_ I agree that the Coy family were 100% victims and
                        decent, good people (except Randi?)
                         \_ yes, except randi who was a totally selfish bitch
                            and a loser as well.

2/23    My lab machines are idling most of the time, especially on weekends
             \_ it's pretty fucking good at 3:30am
        and at night. However, my sysadm still wouldn't let me run setiathome.
        What is his frigging problem?
        \_ You haven't learned anything from reading the motd yet?
           Sysadmins are total assholes.  They're just defective from birth,
           and modern society has given that particular kind of pathological
           personality a useful job to do.  Hey, it keeps them out of your
           yard.
        \_ You're downloading random crap and no one has any idea what it
           does, but it is on your CPU.
        \_ run it anyway, but under a different name, something like
           'crack_passwords' or 'important_research_dont_kill'.

2/22    NYT op-ed on jobs.
                http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/23/opinion/23SAFI.html?hp
                \- hello this is a far better article, especially for you
                   parochial, racist, formerly libertarian, nouvelle
                   protectionists. --psb
           http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2454530
                   \_ Anyone who disagrees with you must be a racist and a
                      hick.  Way to go Partha!  That'll bring em over to your
                      way of thinking right quick!  Come back agin, y'all!
                      \- i didnt say everyone who disagrees with me is
                         racist and a hick. by parochial i didnt mean
                         hick but more narrow minded. unable to see things
                         from other frames of reference. i am refering to
                         the people happy to let mfgr jobs go, buy foreign
                         shoes and textiles, didnt have an issue with
                         irish programmers or mexican farm workers, thought
                         the steel tarrifs were crazy, but now is having
                         second thoughts about free trade ... for thee but
                         not for me. --psb
                   \_ Well, I doubt they will have the patience for the
                      analysis on the Economist.  It is far easier to
                      to appeal to the darker side of minds by rousing fear
                      and anger than invite them to reason.  (Protect the
                      white virgins of this country from being outsourced!)
                   \_ Can someone explain to me what the contribution of an
                      economist is to society?  From where I'm sitting, they
                      appear to be researchers who will tell you, yes, that's
                      cancer, and you're going to die, but won't bother
                      finding cures or vaccines.
                      \- a fair question is "what are some significant
                         contributions to policy formulation from economic
                         science". well econometric methods are useful if
                         you believe it is important to have "feedback"
                         data about the economy. a field like IO may be
                         usefulto analyze anti-trust issues ... or in general
                         analysing regulation. financial economists came
                         up with pricing models, securitization. there is
                         the threory of international trade and open econ
                         monetary theory, optimal currency areas etc.--psb
                         \_ So the purpose of an economist is to provide
                            insight into how to increase the size and
                            stability of the economy?
                            \- well simplifying a lot, normative econ =
                               how people should behave. descrive = how
                               people do behave. in the modern age people
                               would probably say something like "decision
                               making with an eye to information and
                               rationality" is at the core of economics
                               rather than just focusing on money and
                               production of goods and services. some
                               economists study crime, gun control,
                               arms control, addiction etc. --psb

2/22    Can someone point me to an RFC that specifies which ascii characters
        are valid in email addresses?  I can't seem to find it in 2821 or
        2822.  -John
        \_ It's scattered around RFC 2822.  The actual definition of an email
           address (addr-spec) is section 3.4.1, but it refers to a lot of
           stuff from earlier in section 3.
                \_ Cool, thanks.  I noticed that a lot of online email
                   address parsers reject 'a+b@domain.com'--was just sort of
                   wondering whether there's anything they're "supposed" to
                   accept.  -John

           The upshot is that nearly any ASCII character is allowed if quoted
           properly, including whitespace and control characters.  The only
           thing you can't have at all is a NUL character -- and even that
           used to be permitted, so RFC 2822 still requires you to handle it
           properly.  Non-ASCII characters (anything above 127) are not
           allowed; RFC 2047 specifies the =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?= syntax for
           encoding them.

           Of course, you may not want to send mail to anyone belligerent
           enough to have control characters in their email address.  --mconst
           \_ ooooh, sweet.  I never thought of that.  If I had control chars
              in my email address do you think that would avoid all spam?

2/20    why are people putting in Sunday's date???
        \_ Dude, didn't you know?  The motd is connected to soda
           through a wormhole.  We *are* posting in the future.

(extended whine nuked, but silly discussions preserved in deference to
 silly whiners' sensitivities.)

2/20    Any comment on togetherhost?  tia.

2/19    I recall a post about plan to penalize using false personal
        information when registering a domain.  So will private registration
        also be outlawed?
        \_ It is all still speculation at this point.

2/19    When I registered a FBN the county clerk said they sell the names on
        cd-roms which has a lot of buyers.  Since I have to give my residence
        addr (po box not allowed), isn't there a danger of identity theft?
        \_ FBN? Lots of information about people is on public record.

2/18    normandy massage still open for business!:
        http://www.myredbook.net/dcforum2/DCForumID19/7622.html#1
        Hi, my name is Nikki known from the infoumous gypsy on Telegrapgh. I
        am coming back to the bay area slowly and was wondering if you or
        anyone for that matter might know of a place that would be good
        for me to possibly work at . Most places are asian and it is hard to
        find a place with a "line up" of veriaty ladies.
        Besides working independently any suggestions on inside places?
        I don't know about the one down the street from Normandy's.
        Actualy I thought that they were closed down not to long after the
        gypsy was closed. Mail me personaly if you can and if you are
        leary then I can give more details of who I am so you'll know that I
        did in fact work at the gypsy.
        \_ If this wasn't scary enough on its own, the only person I know
           that was a regular customer of The Gypsy was a man known in the
           co-ops as "Enforcer."  If you know who I'm talking about, I'm sure
           you're shuddering right about now.  Otherwise, its best you don't
           know.

2/19    So I schedule an appointment on DMV so that I don't have to wait
        in line and the earliest appontment date, depending on location
        I choose on the website, is 2-3 weeks from today. What the hell?
        \_ well gee, maybe everyone else had the same idea
        \_ my boss does this.   it may be a while before your appointment,
           but he says that once you get there, you don't have to wait in
           any lines.  it saves on the frustrating waiting parts, not on
           the fact that you have to wait somewhere.  -sax
                \_ so is it more frustrating waiting for 2 weeks to get
                   a quick appointment or waiting for 1 hour in line?
                   The point is, it's frustrating both ways.
                   \_ only 1 hour?  Damn, which DMV has that short a line?
                      \- if you get to the DMV 30min before they open,
                         you might get out of there an hour after they open.
                         if you have an appt, you may only have to wait 15
                         min in the short line. --psb

2/18    Has m$ removed their leaked sources?  They seem hard to locate.
        \_ they threatened to sue a few people.
           \_ so now where/how can I look at them?
              \_ look harder.  what do you want them for?

2/18    ifile is smarter than I am.  I thought it had missed a spam, so I
        deleted the message from my inbox... then checked it again and
        realized that it was actually a distant friend of mine mailing from
        an AOL account.

2/17    poll:
        I partied with nweaver!: .@!#!@#!!
        I did not: ..
        who is nweaver?: .
        I was an RA at nweaver's dorm: .

2/23    /var/mail is *still* at 92%; please clean your spool.

2/17    I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Tinfoil hats *do* *not*
        keep out the Government's mind control rays effectively you need a
        real RF enclosure like this:
        http://www.djmelectronics.com/rf-screen-rooms.html

2/16    Start your own air force.
        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078059896
        \_ Some assembly required.

2/15    Is it just me or it seems like V-day wknd was eearily spam free?

2/13    I just checked out the "Evidence Bible."  It is fantastic.  I
        particularly enjoyed the paragraph on the "Big Bang."  Don't
        be terrified of it, just buy one.
        \_ quote? url?
          \_http://www.evidencebible.com/pdf/FNL%20Psalms.pdf on
            page 25.  Page 163 under Matthew is on why the Bible is
            reliable, and page 167 also under Matthew is on street
            preaching.
            \_ So you enjoyed it for the humor value right? Just making sure.

2/11    So has the webfeat posting stuck around simply for nostalgic .com
        marketing value?
        \_ All motd postings are treated according to the following 7-point
           rating scale:

           KEEP      The posting is already sublime in its perfection; nothing
                     more can be added.

           SUPPORT   The posting is good; it requires only some followups to
                     explain and amplify its position.

           DISCUSS   The posting is reasonable; it needs further analysis and
                     commentary.

           DISPUTE   The posting is bad; it requires followups to point out
                     its errors and fallacies.

           CENSOR    The posting is so bad that neither it nor any ensuing
                     discussion will have any value whatsoever; it should be
                     removed.

           MOCK      The posting has transcended mere badness and entered the
                     realm of amusement; it needs to be ridiculed.

           KEEP      The posting is already complete in its own mockery;
                     nothing more can be added.

           The posting you mentioned qualified for KEEP status, and has thus
           been left untouched.
           \_ How come there are two KEEPs?
              \_ KEEP.  (Guess which one it is!)
               \_ MOCK.  (No guessing needed!)

2/11    Has anyone tried packet radio, is it worthwhile using a hand held
        HAM radio or is something less prortable necessary.  Could this be a
        useful way of checking ones email when on the road (bicycling)?-scottyg

2/10    *sigh* [Restored]
        The ultimate rice burner
        http://members.madasafish.com/~dingsdale/i-1_B_L.JPG

2/10    oh jeez... nweaver enjoying more of his 15 minutes of fame for
        more "Warhol worm" analysis:
        http://snipurl.com/4f09   [nytimes magazine]
        \_ hey a man's gotta take what he can get.  you'd do the same.  if he's
           smart he'll spin this into a full fledged security company and
           retire wealthy while you're still a virgin.
           \_ Don't you mean, while Nick's still a virgin?
        \_ Do I detect a note of Jealousy?
           \_ no. try an entire fucking wagnerian opera.

2/11    Howdy, my brother Todd will be reading from his new collection of
        poetry in New York city on the 18th.  Drop me an email if you're
        interested and I'll send you the specifics. - dans
        \_ Will this be better than the last poetry slam at the berkeley
           public library?
           \_ Yes.
        \_ How many artist brothers do you have?
           \_ I have three siblings.  My eldest brother Todd is a poet in New
              York, my elder brother Brad is a painter in San Francisco, and
              my younger sister is a former olympic-class ice dancer (now
              retired) currently attending Cornell. -dans
              \_ ice dancer?  got pics?
                 \_ Google you pervy moron. -dans
                    \_ She's cute in a Sarah Silverman sort of way, but is
                       she as raunchy and humorous?
                       \_ Who's Sarah Silverman (I don't care enough to bother
                          googling)?  Have you ever met me?  If I am
                          sufficiently raunchy and humorous, then yes.  It
                          runs in the family. -dans
                          \_ Raunchy?  I guess, but in a trying way too hard
                             kind of way.  Humorous?  Only if you find jerks
                             funny.
                             \_ You'd do well not to confuse folks who are
                                trying to hard with folks who genuinely don't
                                care if they offend you.  As justification for
                                being a jerk, all I can say in my defense is
                                you did something to deserve it, and
                                belligerency is the underappreciated artform of
                                our time. -dans
              \_ Huh. So are those brothers able to make a living at just art?
                 \_ Nope.  Both are working on it. (TM)
                    \_ Ok, that confirms my cynical worldview, thanks. I bet
                       your parents wish they were lawyers.

2/10    Amateurs.
        soda [70] wc /etc/motd.public
             270    2480   15425 /etc/motd.public
        \_ pornP

2/9     I turned on the stove with a new empty stainless pan on it by mistake
        and when I realized that, I erred again by pouring cold water into the
        pan.  Now it has that brownish layer on the surface.  What is the
        chemical composition of this layer and is it harmful?  If not I would
        rather leave it as it is.
        \_ next time put a nice tbone steak on it instead, leave for 2 minutes
           \_ You are kidding me, right?  Heating won't get rid of the oxide.
              \_ wow, could you have misread that any worse?
        \_ It's no big deal.
        \_ If you're really set on getting rid of the brownish layer,
           try Barkeeper's Friend, but follow the directions or you
           might mar the finish.

2/9     \_ Oh!  Oh!  He censored a response!  Better delete the whole thread now
           big man!
           \_ ok if you say so
              \_ And do a shitty job of it, at that.

2/9     Is there a particular reason why most of the bright PhD's I've met
        at work are really good at solving theoretical problems [that few
        care about] yet they can't code, manage money, interact with people,
        and deal with other aspects of life as well as other people?
        \_ See, you tried this troll already and it didn't work.  What makes
           you think it will work the second time? -- PhD student

2/7     Minority voters in Michigan being disenfranchised.  Racism suspected.
        http://csua.org/u/5w6 (mlive.com)

2/7     Come to my housewarming tonight.  Details in the mail sent to
        csua@csua a few days ago.  Cheers.
        - dans

2/7     I got a "relay access denied" message while trying to send mail to
        an <DEAD>sbcglobal.net<DEAD> address.  Does this mean we're blacklisted as an
        open relay by them now?
        \_ Could you please send a copy of the message you got to root@csua?
           So far we've only gotten one report of this, and that one turned
           out not to be from <DEAD>sbcglobal.net<DEAD> at all (it had the destination
           email address misspelled).  --root
        \_ yep
           \_ Yeah, it was a misspelling.  I retract my original posting.

2/6     Lions? In Africa???
        <DEAD>www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/29<DEAD>

2/7     Minority voters in Michigan being disenfranchised.  Racism suspected.
        http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g8485_BC_MI--Democrats-CaucusS&&news&caucus
        \_ Did you mean http://csua.org/u/5w6  ??
           I couldn't get the above to work.

2/7     Are there any good, free utilities that let you print out calendars
        for windows?
        \_ see tucows or http://download.com

**/**   Holy shit!  What was that psycho stalker crap appended down here?
        PURGED!
        \_ C'mon respect people's privacy here. He obviously did not
           intend for this to be world readable.
        \_ should someone tell the person what happened?  Maybe he
           wasn't the one who posted it here.
        \_ I dunno who posted it or who wrote it originally but the original
           author is a psycho, needs help, and should seek help immediately
           because they've created a record of their stalking which is now
           forever logged and can be had by the prosecutors when she finally
           presses charges.  sick sick sick!!!
           \_ Maybe it is all a joke.
              \_ Attaboy... ignorance is bliss.

2/6     Is there a *nix library for writing menu driven UI on console
        much like old dos programs?
        \_ man dialog ?  man ncurses ?
           \_ Wow!  dialog is COOL!!!  --- !OP
        \_ thanks and I also found cdk.

2/6     man blinded by janet's super bowl stunt has sued
        http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-media-jackson.html
        \_ I love America!
           \_ Yup, the country of lawsuits.  Although in this case I side with
              the plantiff.
              \_ Why?  If she's that pissed off about breasts she needs to sue
                 the entire Fox lineup.
                 \_ Fox?
        \_ Where does it say anything about a man being blinded?
           \_ Are you intentionally being dense?

2/6     ilyas, teach me Russian so that I can pick up this hot Russian
        chick in my sociology class, thanks.
        \_ Ok! -- ilyas
        \_ "ya ti bya ha choo"

2/6     I never knew that the plural of antenna was antennas if you are
        not referring to Zoology. I'm glad I looked it up and didn't make
        a nerd out of myself.

2/6     Anyone happen to have a recording of the Kevin and Bean
        show on KROQ this morning, where they kicked the head of
        the Church of Scientology out of the studio?

2/5     So when was "Yatta" popular?  I totally missed it.
        \_ 2-3 years ago.  For about 15 minutes.

2/5     There you go

2/3     The psychological hazards of extreme latitude:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3454567.stm

2/3     BDG, are you really back?  Or is that one of your fans posting
        as you?  Thanks.  -BDG #1 fan
        \_ Where can I go? The only escape from the torment of life
           is the final embrace of death. It does not come quickly
           to those who need it most.
           \_ Hey Bitter Divorced Guy, are you sure you aren't Bad Poetry
              Writing Adolescent Guy?

2/3     Has anyone used ES5 for sharing files?  Is it any good?
        \_ Terrorist!
           \_ RACIST!
              \_ J00S LINUX!
                 \_ !!!!!

2/3     Okay, random MOTD poll:
        Tom: .
        Jerry:
        Jerry's annoying cousin:
        Itchy: .
        \_ Is the cousin hot?
        \_ you must be bored: ...
        Tom's mom: .................

2/2     This ricin stuff better not be WHEAT GERM.

02/02   [reposting because my previous post got trolled.]
        Most people are aware and do something about wrinkles on their faces.
        But few people do anything to prevent wrinkles around their dicks.
        Notice how some old penises look like turtles with saggy, wrinkled,
        and loose skin around their heads?  You don't want to have that do
        you?  Apply all the skin care products to your dick just like you
        would to your face.  -pretty boy
        \_ Must... resist... urge... to.. troll!
           \_ Why resist?
        \_ hey, it's effeminate eye for the soda guy

2/1     Has anyone had trouble getting xmms to use alsa under the 2.6 series?

2/1     One program suggests maximum of one hour TV or internet a day,
        and encourages people to get out of the house and meet people.
        what do you think about this?
        \_ you're asking the wrong crowd.

1/31    This state assemblyman needs to be replaced:
        http://pictures.sprintpcs.com/share.jsp?invite=jEH4JdmykkhPOUFUoL30

1/31    http://www.kaicurry.com/gwbush/remindus.swf

1/31    New, improved Trek:
        http://mtrek.game-host.org

1/31    What do you do on weekend afternoons?
        \_ troll the motd
           \_ we aren't doing such a good job now, are we.
              \_ got you to reply.
              \_ yermomma's so dumb, she burned down the house with the
                 CD burner!
                 \_ that's not serious and political enough to be funny.
                    (Boondocks reference noted.)
        \_ Work on my no-doubt-overvalued Bay Area home.

1/31    Little Jeremiah should be returned to his mother.  This is just
        another case of the government trying to dstroy the African-American
        community and ruin a young woman's reputation and dishonor her
        special status as a mother.  http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/7832835.htm

1/30    OH MY GOD
        WORST SHOW EVER
        SciFi's CODENAME ETERNITY

1/30    What time is it?
        http://www.humanclock.com/clock.php
        \_ Why is this funny?

1/29    If you happen to have a library book out (whether you checked it out
        or "borrowed it without informing anyone"), please bring it back to
        the office by this Saturday morning (January 31?).  I will be doing
        an inventory and barcoding books this weekend and would greatly
        prefer not having to handle books individually as they trickle in
        or randomly appear.
        Thank you, jvarga

1/29    Apologies for re-arranging threads.  Had to restore the Motd Censor's
        work.