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| 2006/3/21-25 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:42354 Activity:nil |
3/21 The Coming Normalcy by Robert Kaplan of The Atlantic Online
Write up about Mosul. I think he has a clue.
http://michaelyon-online.com/media/pdf/ComingNormalcy.pdf
\_ An article on the Stryker vehicle:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker |
| 2006/3/1-2 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:42044 Activity:kinda low |
3/1 http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13511193,00.html Stewardess panics in high turbulence. Uh ... wrong job I guess? "She began screaming every time the plane shook. She shouted at the top of her voice, 'We're going to crash! We're going to crash! We're going to crash!'" The un-named woman - in her mid 20s - also lobbed sick bags across the cabin when poorly [sic] passengers screamed for more. \_ a friend of mine was a Stewardess for Continental. She gets motion sickness if she eat anything on the plane. So, her solution is not eat anything on flight... and she is on direct flight from Newark to Hong Kong via North Pole... 21 hours straight :p \_ Definitely wrong job. I think it's a job requirement to appear calm in these situations. \- see SQ-crash* at http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/News \_ please send us more links to irrelevant, boring stuff \_ Dude, that was horrendous. Warning: do not read if you're easily spooked and want to fly every again. --erikred \- i was on that flight a week before! i actually think it almost says more about journalists than airlines. Singapore Airlines needed Scott McClellan: MESERVE: A Singapore Airlines spokesman just told us that he believed, at this point, there were no fatalities. Was that your impression as you left the aircraft? DIAZ: Oh, there were tons of fatalities. There were people burning on the flight. I only saw about 20 people -- I only saw about 20 people that -- clearly I don't know -- they put us in a room. But there were lots of fatalities. The plane split in half. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Law/Court] UID:41770 Activity:low |
2/8 I just got a traffic ticket and I intend to fight it all the way.
Step 1-- I just activated my one time extension from Feb to April.
To plead not guilty I need to write them a check and on top write
NOT GUILTY, then a new court date will be assigned. Should I write
a check now, or wait until it's closer to April? I've been told
that the longer I wait, the less likely the cop will show up.
Any other advice? Thanks.
\_ Be sure to do your legal research. I suggest starting with
Marbury v. Madison.
\_ There's a social engineering way to find out what days the cop
who gave you the tickey has off.
\_ I went to fight a ticket and I'll be damned if the cop didn't
show up. Surprised the hell out of me, since it was LAPD and
not some hick police force. However, I won anyway. Woo hoo!
\_ So you thought he was gonna stay at the donut shop? Cops get
paid extra $200-300 a day for showing up at the courthouse,
as it is one of the biggest revenue sources at the CHP.
\_ I thought LAPD would have bigger problems than my stupid
ticket, which I won anyway. |
| 2006/1/10-12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:41321 Activity:low |
1/10 Yet again, the rest of the world smirks:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4589072.stm -John
\_ Most of that doesn't really seem smirkworthy to me. I mean, it's
silly _now_ because the industry is just starting up, but these just
seem like practical extensions of air travel-based rules, which will
make sense when/if space tourism "takes off" --dbushong
\_ Dave, the only reason the FAA is able to enforce moronic "take
off your shoes" rules and no-fly lists (which really don't
do anything) is because either flights originate/terminate in
the US, or because in a more extended manner they have leverage
over airlines that want to use US airports at all. This bit
of "news" is representative of a particular kind of arrogance
which implies that the US has jurisdiction over stuff it..well..
you get the idea. If they were just good ideas and security
recommendations, or an attempt to help the industry establish
best practices, that'd be different; as it is, I do not credit
the FAA (or any government TLA for that matter) with this sort
of altruism. -John
\_ "The suggestions will affect Sir Richard Branson's enterprise
which aims to launch people into space this decade." ...which
is based out of NM, which is within the FAA's jurisdiction,
right? I was under the impression they were trying to
regulate the US space business, not the world's.
\_ Yeah, that's under the military's jurisdiction.
\_ Note that the article does not specify whether they
are going after US-based companies only. However,
point taken. -John |
| 2006/1/4-6 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:41216 Activity:low |
12/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060103/od_nm/germany_airport_dc German passengers filed "false imprisonment" after plane delay. \_ 7+ hours stuck in a cramped airplane. I'd call that bullshit. At least let the passengers back into the airport lounge. \_ I'm convinced that this is the *only* reason they have that "no cell phone use" rule on planes. It keeps people from calling lawyers and cops in these situations. \_ Yeah, except that the FAA counts an "on time" departure if the plane is away from the terminal even if you sit on the tarmac for hours. Which is probably why the pilot didn't want to return to the terminal. \_ or more specifically, when the aircraft door closes - this timestamps the departure. When aircraft door reopens at destination, this is the official arrival time. Going back to the subject, why can't they just cancel the damn flight? \_ My wife and I got stuck on a plane in London for 6 hours after they found the wingflaps faulty. They said they couldn't allow the passengers back in the terminal because we had cleared customs. On the plus side, they said we were clear to enjoy any duty free goods because we had technically "left the country" (the plane actually took off, flew for 30 minutes, and then returned to London when the faulty equipment was discovered.) when the faulty equipment was discovered.) -bz \_ We were stuck in a plane on the runway for 6 hours (once we got off the ground it was a 6 hour flight) I'm never flying through Newark again. --dbushong \_ There was a case sometime in the last 5 years of a plane being stuck on the runway for more than 10 hours, maybe as much as 20 (I forget the exact incident.) -John |
| 2006/1/3-5 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Domestic] UID:41206 Activity:nil |
12/3 RocketMan for real:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=613
\_ Those wacky Finns. |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:41202 Activity:nil |
1/2 Work Well With Others (fly engines)
http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/dinoriki/phliez/work-well-together.html |
| 2006/1/2-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:41201 Activity:nil |
1/2 Anyone here ever use http://ticketassassin.com? |
| 2005/12/29-2006/1/4 [Transportation/Airplane, Consumer/Audio] UID:41170 Activity:nil |
12/29 Motd gadget guru, I would like to get a noise cancellation
headphone for use on airplanes and commutes, should I go with
something like Sennheiser PCX 250, or Shure E2/3c? The Shure
is more portable, how well does it work in airplanes? Thanks.
\_ Related question, are there any noise cancellation headphones
with volume control? My Dad would be interested in such a
thing.
\_ I haven't tried noise-cancelling headphones, but I do have
Shure e2c-s. The e2c-s are good for blocking out quite a bit of
noise, but airplanes are still loud enough that a lot still gets
through. I've hard that noise-cancelling headphones are good on
airplanes.
\_ BTW, I've heard that the e3c-s are generally much better than
the e2c-s, although I don't know how they fare on airplanes.
\_ Shure E4C has gotten great reviews. havne't tried it yet. Have
tried the much cheaper philips SBC HN050 and its quiet enough.
\_ I use the Etymotic ER6-i on BART everyday and it is a godsend. You
can still hear the train but it is much quieter so I don't feel like
I need to turn the volume up to 11 (usually more like 2-3).
\_ I have a Sennheiser PCX 250. Don't get it. It has too many
wires for any pratical use other than sleeping on the airplane.
The actual noise cancelling mechanism is great. but I've pulled
the wires too many times that I need to get it fixed.
\_ I am also looking for a noise-cancelling, bluetooth headset.
any recommendation?
\_ I have a pair of mid-range Shure earbuds. They cancel noise.
They are very uncomfortable. Get anything that actually covers
your ears. -John
\_ I've compared my friend's Etymotic with my Shure E3c and the
Etymotic has noticably better sound quality. The soundstage
and detail was definately superior. Having said that, you have
to keep in mind what you are buying these for. The Shures
are much more efficient, and played comfortably at volume
level 3 on my mp3 player where the Etymotic had to be run at
volume 9-10 for equivalent volume. I use my Shures primarily
to block out the noises from the surrounding cubicles at work,
or while out and about. The Shures were good enough for me
soundwise, more comfortable, and I like to think they'd conserve
more battery power due better efficiency. They are still better
than practically all other earbuds out there, but they just
sound a little flat next to the Etymotics. I've found
that sponge earbud inserts are the most comfortable for me,
and sponge earplugs (like the kind you can usually find
in any datacenter) with a hole punched through them
(I used a uniball pen) work great as cheap replacements.
-rollee |
| 2005/12/8-11 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:40925 Activity:nil |
12/8 Anyone who flew international recently. Did the check-in luggage limit
got decreased from 70 pound to 50 pound? I'll be flying to China soon.
\_ Great. Encourage more people to carry on luggage that they should
be checking in.
\_ Found it, it is 50 pounds now. Damn.
\_ I want a passenger + luggage < 250 lbs limit NOW
\_ I've been asked my weight when buying plane tickets before. No,
I'm not a fatass, but in single engine planes every pound
matters.
\_ This is for fuel calculation though. -John
\- when did it change? i checked +65lbs last week of Nov.
although i heard something about this the ticket i looked
at had the old weight limits.
\_ Why?
\_ So I get more luggage allowance. It doesn't matter if the
airplane is burning fuel to move fat or luggage. Make the
400 pounders pay up instead of penalizing the rest of us.
\_ Yeah, I just can't wait for all those 110 pound women to
start bringing an extra 70 pounds of shit on the plane
to make up the difference with us 180 pound guys.
\_ To hell with you. I'm 7' tall and 250lbs, and I'm still under-
weight. Eat a sandwich and get over it. --erikred
\_ I travel very frequently, and it's always been 32kg due to US
labor laws. I hope you live in the big ciy in China, though,
because domestic flight within China has maximum weight of
something like 20 or 25kg per lugguage, *ONE* lugguage per person.
So, if you intent to transfer, don't bring too much stuff! |
| 11/22 |
| 2005/12/7 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:40893 Activity:nil |
12/7 Rat brain cells learn to fly a F-22:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rats-Make-Good-F-22-Pilots-14299.shtml |
| 2005/12/6-7 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:40880 Activity:moderate |
12/6 Pesky journalists!
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/06/D8EAVS3O3.html
"A plane loaded with Iranian journalists ... At least 128 people were
killed -- 34 on the ground ... the plane appeared to be circling the
airport when its tail suddenly burst into flames, leaving a smoke trail
as it plummeted ... The C-130 is built by Lockheed ..."
\_ Hmm, that seems odd. It was having engine trouble, then the
tail burst into flames? The C-130 doesn't have any engines in
the tail.
\_ Any gas tanks near the tail?
\_ Suicide bombers always travel in economy. -John
\_ That's because they get free upgrades. "Madam, either you
give me that empty seat in the First Class or I'll press
the trigger."
\_ And demand free upgrades mid-flight. "Madam, either you
give me that empty seat in the First Class now, or I'll
press the trigger."
\_ You mean "I demand a seat in heaven!" <boom>
\_ gas tanks are usually in the wings. Tails usually have the
power generation unit, which looks a lot like an engine.
\_ No idea. I only know of the ones in the wings, here's some
info though. http://csua.org/u/e77
\_ Another 9/11.
\_ I think it's CIA's work. I mean, we are quite experienced at
taking down Iranian planes, no?
\_ The Iranians are quite good at crashing planes all on their own.
\_ I'll tell you why we know the CIA wasn't behind the crash: the
planes crashed, didn't they? |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:40787 Activity:kinda low |
11/30 TSA to announce Friday that some scissors less than 4 inches long will
now be permitted in carry-on baggage, since 25% of bags with an illegal
item have ... small scissors! Flight attendants still prefer they get
screened, but who cares about them.
\- that kinda funny ... my father just got busted for this on tue.
\_ TSA has always allowed EMT shears (blunt scissors)
\_ As long as they aren't useful to someone with their jaw wired
shut. YMWTGF 'TSA "wired jaw"'
\_ I took a can of almonds with me on my flight which had a very
sharp aluminum lid on them. I even cut myself opening them. I
think the whole security thing is stupid beyond belief.
\_ Speaking of which.. what happened to all those kids in green
uniforms with F-16 rifles? Were the poor sobs all sent to
Iraq?
\_ F-16 rifles? Those sound pretty unwieldy.
\_ They come with shoulder straps, but they sometimes get
tangled in the landing gear.
\- those don't exist! unlike the GU-11 veritech gun pod,
although it's best in battloid or guardian modes
\_ That's battloid and _gerwalk_ to all you souls
uncorrupted by Robotech.
\_ Definitely the most maneuverable rifle on the market.
\_ You mean M-16?
\_ I'll care when I don't have to take my shoes off when going through
security.
\_ From now on your nickname is plutonium shoes.
\_ 5/7 times I flew (SJC<->LAX) I didn't have to take off my shoes.
And I'm middle-eastern. I've also stopped getting "randomly"
screened every single time I fly. --swarthy male
\_ I used to get searched *every time* I flew. I think it was
beacause I tended to buy my tickets at the last minute and
because I tended to buy my tickets at the last minute and
online. I look about as white as you possibly can, so I
don't think it's just racial profiling.
\_ Swarthy male... do you feel you are being targeted for
randomn searches?
\_ Can't speak for swarthy male, but my hot blonde friend
claims she is being targeted.
claims she is being targeted, especially when she is
travelling abroad.
\_ They're just trying to find excuses to conduct body
search on her.
\_ how did the hijackers during 9/11 get control of the planes?
was it just through the use of box cutters? didnt read the
report or anything. |
| 2005/11/23-28 [Academia/GradSchool, Transportation/Airplane] UID:40718 Activity:nil 88%like:40709 |
11/23 White flight in Cupertino:
http://tinyurl.com/8lpcn (wsj.com)
\_ That article was hilarious. |
| 2005/11/22-24 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:40702 Activity:low |
11/22 http://tinyurl.com/cuvry (realestate.yahoo.com) A house made up of 747 parts. TOTALLY COOL. \_I'm sure it will have more parts than that! \_ Is it really for the environment? Aren't there more useful ways to \_ Is it really for the environment? Aren't there better ways to recycle that kind of expensive metal? |
| 2005/11/9-10 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:40508 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 http://csua.org/u/dyz Google. Don't be evil. Unless you're us. keywords: jet 767 boeing learjet \_ I don't get it. What's evil about having your own jet? I mean, it sounds like they're actually being quite practical by buying a used jet and refurbishing it, rather than blowing the budget on a Gulfstream. \_ How much fuel does a 767-200 use compared to how much a prius saves? \_ how much sodium is an apple vs. how many calories an orange saves? \_ Google gives bonuses for Prius drivers. Not for orange/apple eaters. \_ I remember reading somewhere that when a 747 loaded with passengers travels from England to Egypt to see the pyramids, the trip back and forth burns more energy than was required to build the pyramids. \_ An almost-fully occupied 747 gets 100 person-miles per gallon. Much better than most hybrid car when you drive \_ A almost-fully occupied 747 gets 100 miles per gallon per person. Much better than any hybrid car when you drive solo. Even better than some SUVs when fully occupied. http://travel.howstuffworks.com/question192.htm \_ Of course, it's not a 747, it's a 767, and it won't be fully occupied. In the article it's mentioned that "Gore Design" is redoing the interior. I doubt it will have the capacity as an unmodified 767. Though we can guess that it's "more than 50". That makes it more like 10 person-miles per gallon (if comparable to a 747). \_ Also, they bought it though a tax shelter INC in Delaware. Nice. \_ Last I checked, there weren't any natural-gas, solar, hybrid or battery-powered airplanes. If they were up for buying a jet, into which they plan to put a lot of people in, their choice is fine. \_ I think you may be confusing "evil" with "wasteful". The fact that my rich, well-fed ass is sitting here, posting to motd instead of helping children in Uzbekistan, Upper Volta learn their ABCs and feeding Dinty Moore beef stew to starving penguins in Argentina, is also wasteful and socially irresponsible. Oh, the weltschmerz. Shoot the rich! -John \_ If you haven't seen it, you whould watch Eat The Rich. It has Lemmy Kilmister in it. |
| 2005/11/1-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:40396 Activity:nil |
11/1 dear motd travel agent / airline hassle advisor:
I was scheduled and confirmed on an international flight through
Northwest airlines that leaves less than two weeks from now. I got a
call letting me know the flight has been cancelled. They have offered
to reschedule me on an alternate itinerary but it's pretty crappy,
involving an additional stopover and a long layover. Can I demand a
flight that would work better for me (there seems to be one available)
or do I have to put up with the alternative they gave me? any advice
on how to bitch them out to get what I want?
\_ You can get basically anything you can talk your way into, from
free tickets to first class upgrades. In fact, it is possible to
pick up a payphone and call customer service from the airport
the second you get fucked and go out on a flight two hours later,
upgraded to first class, while the other suckers from the same
flight sit in the airport and bitch. The key is to have a written
list of grievances against the airline to use as a crib sheet while
you're on the phone, and to be polite but
forcefull and consistent, always reiterating your grievances and
pushing for compensation.
\_ No, but the Travel Tab feature of AvantGo will help you keep track
of your wildly changing itinerary. Plug plug. --dbushong
\_ It all depends on how much of a damage you're suffering from.
If the reschedule puts you at your destination more than 3-4 hrs
later than the original time, you may request some kind of a con-
sideration. This applies to both paid and award/miles travel, so
do call NW and ask (nicely!) what they can do for you. Good luck!
\_ NW has been good to me in the past. They've even compensated
me for times when I've been an idiot and missed flights. I'd
say to try nicely to get what you want for free (seeing how
you've already given them money), and if they don't play nice,
you can always talk with someone else and register a complaint. |
| 2005/10/25-26 [Reference/BayArea, Transportation/Airplane] UID:40255 Activity:low |
10/25 I'm going to be singing at Carnegie Hall and Wintergarden in November.
The preview shows are this weekend in SF and Berkeley. Come check it
out.
http://www.pacificmozart.org/calendar
Also, this will be my first trip to NYC. Is there anything I must not
miss? I'll be there a little over a week, so I should have time to fit
in some good wandering. --scotsman
\_ Will you be doing any performances in the SFBA around the end of
December? I'm dead curious :-) -John
\_ NYC sucks. All cities suck. All that traffic, pollution,
and rude people. Stay in the suburbs, it's better for you.
\_ Funny, there's no Carnegie hall in the suburbs...
\_ Does anyone else feel the quality of trolls has gone down since
the amckee apocalypse?
\_ What happened? I read in the minutes that amckee resigned,
but there was no explanation from either him or the
secretary why.
\_ Because he made a very public ass of himself.
http://home.lbl.gov/~psb/Articles/CSUA
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/CSUA
\- lobster bisque at the soup nazi. and maybe a few egg cremes.
my associates liked Ave Q.
\_ I was just there (first trip) last week. I really liked the
Lower East Side and Chelsea/Hell's Kitchen. Soho was nice too.
\- you really should grab a NYker and look at the front
to see what is going on "about town". it's hard to give
advice without knowing if you are interested in seeing
a band, a photo exhibit, illuminated manuscripts etc.
see what special exhibits are going on at the gug, icp,
the big museusm etc. oh i also sort of like the cloisters.
\_ We were going to try to book the cloisters as a 4th venue,
but they couldn't fit us.
\_ The Village is the place to hang. Late night jazz in basement
clubs. John's Pizza on Bleeker. A trip up to Central Park
and either the Guggenheim or the MOMA (the Guggenheim is worth
it just for the building). Some sort of theater, on or off
Broadway. Theater and musems are the areas where NYC really
kicks the Bay Area's ass.
Side note: When I was a kid, my family once had to ask someone on
the street, "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?", but the guy didn't
take the straight line.
Congratulations! -tom
\_ We were going to try to book the cloisters as a 4th venue,
but they couldn't fit us.
\_ Pick up a Time Out New York for listings of
concerts/museums/etc. If you are a foodie, it may be worth
your while to buy/borrow a Zagat's Guide.
\_ Was just there for the first time a couple weeks ago.
Don't see The Producers (not as good as you think).
Central Park is nice if you're with a girl.
I really liked Menchanko-Tei's (43-45 W 55th St) basic lunch
ramen -- better than any I've had in West L.A. or Little Tokyo L.A.,
also about $7-10, and comfy atmosphere.
\_ last i checked [3 weeks ago], menchanko-tei is on 45th,
east of lexington, on the north side
\_ i also liked sapporo, 49th st between 6th and 7th aves
\_ The Tasting Room is awesome. -John
\_ Congratulations! |
| 2005/9/28 [Transportation/Airplane, Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:39916 Activity:nil |
9/28 oh my, Pres. Bush while flying over oil Rigs..
"It's like Atlantis down there..." |
| 2005/9/22-23 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:39825 Activity:nil |
9/22 Anyone know where I can find video of the Jetblue landing last night?
\_ http://csua.org/u/dgs |
| 2005/9/22-23 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:39808 Activity:nil |
9/22 http://csua.org/u/dgs (LA Times) "The plane--on the animated map at his seat--'wasn't going anywhere ... just hanging around in Los Angeles.' A few minutes later, he heard the calm male voice of Flight 292's pilot, Scott Burke, speaking over the plane's intercom: 'For those of you who may have noticed we are flying in circles ... we are currently experiencing difficulties with the front landing gear.' ... A young woman at his side turned to him nervously: 'So what does that mean?' ..." \_ "Honey, it means I'm your last chance to get laid. Let's go to the lavatory..." |
| 2005/9/21 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:39802 Activity:nil |
9/21 Upcoming air disaster in LAX in a moment:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050922/us_nm/airlines_jetblue_dc
\_ Too late. It just landed safely a few minutes ago.
\_ Why do you hate Los Angeles? |
| 2005/9/21-23 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:39801 Activity:nil |
9/21 Gentle humming gives aircrafts a better lift:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1574553,00.html
\_ So I should hum the Koran loudly to make the plane fly better
\_ "Hello honey. ...... Hey, what's that moaning in the background?"
"Oh, the stewardess and I are just trying to help the plane fly."
"Oh, the stewardess and I are humming to help the plane fly." |
| 2005/9/20-21 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:39765 Activity:nil |
9/20 "Airlines to Test Cell-Phone Service" - Yahoo! News:
http://csua.org/u/dfw
"... its general release in 2007 for everywhere in the world but North
America". Good! At least I can still sleep on domestic flights.
\_ YO 'SUP DOG, I'M IN A PLANE
\_ YO 'SUP DOG, I'M IN A PLANE |
| 2005/9/2-4 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/RealEstate] UID:39467 Activity:nil |
9/2 Hey, this is pretty cool:
http://neworleans.craigslist.org/hhh
\_ Uh, yeah, but some of these people don't even have enough money
in their bank accounts to fly to Stepford, Connecticut.
\- there is an interesting mix of impressive and
creepy stuff in there. at least one person says
he'll let a hurricane victim have his southwest
free tix to get there. geeze, there are real
estate ads there? |
| 2005/8/26 [Transportation/Airplane, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:39287 Activity:low 50%like:39369 |
8/25 Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
<DEAD>www.veganza.org<DEAD> -John
\_ I think you mean http://www.venganza.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Also known as pastafarians.
\_ Unfortunately, there are way more than 17 pirates in the world
today.
\_ Half-life of C14 is 5730yrs? I thought it was 5400yrs.
\_ May all His followers find the right pirate outfits in the
closet, so that they can walk out of it and show the world our
real strength. RAmen.
\_ This starts out as a good "show how silly ID is" bit, but rapidly
devolves to stupidity. I think The Onion's "Intelligent Falling"
article is much better:
http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2
\_ But FSM leads to good holiday names like Pastaover and Ramendan. |
| 2005/8/17-20 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:39148 Activity:nil |
8/17 Why is it that when a plane depressurizes by accident, it becomes hard
to control and it loses altitude? Is it real or is it just a Hollywood
thing?
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_pressurization
sounds like the biggest issue would by hypoxia of the pilots.
\_ Thanks. I guess it's just a Hollywood thing then.
\_ cuz it's fricken cold
\_ i think it's okay for pilots to drink alcohol so they
can keep warm if this happens..
\_ Wasn't there a passenger airplane in the late 80s that was flying
over Hawaiian islands and suddenly started falling apart in
mid-flight? They landed fine and I think there were few or no
casualties then.
\_ You mean the Aloha flight 243.
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cvr880428.htm -ax
\_ http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w880428.htm
pictures or the plane after landing.
\_ Yow! I am so keeping my seatbelt buckled.
\_ What's surprising is how come the airplane didn't fall
apart in mid-air and how come no one froze to death?
\_ Must be because the crew took the plane down to ~ 12,000
feet as soon as possible. |
| 2005/8/15-17 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:39129 Activity:nil |
8/15 1-year-old terror suspect stopped from boarding a plane. All hail DHS!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/no_fly_babies
\_ This is even better than the time they gave the full on search
treatment to Ray Charles. |
| 2005/8/2-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:38942 Activity:kinda low |
8/2 What happens when your pilot doesn't know how to land a plane
correctly: (Paris -> Toronto, 309 passengers, Airbus 340)
http://csua.org/u/cw6 (Yahoo! News slideshow)
"Leah Walker, a radio reporter in Toronto, said she saw a third of the
plane fall and that the rest became a fireball." ...
Marx said he initially didn't think anything was wrong. But then,
"The guy I was with piped up, 'You know, he's getting pretty close to
the end.' Immediately afterward, right off he went."
\_ Isn't the A340 supposed to be auto-everything?
\_ Wheew. Apparently no one died:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8801366
\_ The pilot has killed himself:
\_ The pilot has killed himself: --danh
http://csua.org/u/cwc
\_ Some of you guys have wierd senses of humor.
\_ I laughed. Does that mean I'm demented?
\_ Yermummy!
\_ Whoever enjoys signing my name to the motd, I do
\- "Whomever" --psb
not add "--" to the beginning of my name, try
only 1 dash next time. - danh
\- The time has come for:
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/News/SQ-crash1.txt
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/News/SQ-crash2.txt
\_ I don't get it, why was this posted?
\_ I dunno but it made me look up the real facts:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/air-07n.shtml
Oh and haha, I just noticed it's from "world socialist"
web site. Whatever. I guess this is better:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/issues/taiwancrash
If anyone cares.
\_ CNN - complete waste of airwaves... they can't report
anything on happening in real-time. -cnn_sufferer
anything on real, happening events. |
| 2005/7/27-29 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:38849 Activity:low |
7/27 If there is a 2% chance of fatalities on space flights, should
human manned space flights be suspended?
\_ There's a high chance of fatalities in many professions.
Join the military (even during peace time), become a mine
worker, become a cop, operate a crane. It's all dangerous
but we still do it.
\_ 2% is high. But if the risk can be reduced to .5% or less.
\_ You're overestimating the danger by 100%!
\_ The real problem here isn't the fatalities. Lots of people would
like to go if the probability was 50%. The problem is that
replacing a blown-up space vehicle every other flight can get
expensive. It has to be reliable to be affordable, unless someone
figures out how to make spaceships for cheap.
\_ Also, a blown-up vehicle is bad PR, which makes soliciting future
fundings more difficult.
\_ if there is a 100% chance of fatality from living, should all life
be suspended? |
| 2005/7/22-25 [Transportation/Airplane, Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:38770 Activity:nil |
7/22 In case you haven't heard, Longhorn is called Windows Vista:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx
\_ And like the flying car, it's always just around the corner...
\_ I would like to preemptively proclaim my hatred of flying cars.
The same fucking retards who drive around in 5000 pound SUV's
while talking on cell phones, blast through crosswalks at 55
mph without looking and park on sidewalks (i.e. the American
public) should NOT EVER be alowed to fly. They WILL park
in trees over sidewalks, which will break causing even more
pedestrian slaughter. They will park on roofs where it is
unsafe, run into power lines causing outages, crash into office
buildings (out of sheer stupidity at first, then the terrorists
will start using them as bombs), get stuck in trees and have to
be choppered out, and break down over crowded areas and
crash like stones. FUCK FLYING CARS!!!
\_ so trolled.
\_ This is for you (mp3). link:tinyurl.com/89xnk -- ulysses
\_ Go ahead and laugh. We'll see how funny you think it is
when some fucker crashes their flying SUV into the side of
YOUR house, or after a flying car parked in a tree falls
and kills YOUR dog. |
| 2005/6/24-26 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:38283 Activity:moderate |
6/24 Anyone have a car key that slides out of the plastic holder by a
switch? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/business/21road.html
\_ Yes, and I am actively avoiding any unnecessary travel to the US
because I do not like being hassled by fat, stupid airport
"security" monkeys (although to be fair the ones in SF have become
far better than the morons in the Midwest I've dealt with.) A lot
of friends and colleagues are doing the same. Must be nice to not
have to give a shit about lost business/tourist travel revenue
in return for some perceived security. -John
\_ The airlines are so successful that they don't need to worry
about the few whiners who don't care about natl security. Oh
wait...
\_ What do they have to worry about? The same dumb-ass government
that imposed these moronic security measures will bail their
bumb asses out as soon as they whine loud enough.
\_ Boy, don't get me started on US airlines, at least not major
carriers--they're inofficially shitlisted by a lot of
business travellers for being crap. -John
\_ Seen on a Korean message board:
"I think United is racist, they were really rude to me."
reply:
"No, they're not racist, they treat everyone like that."
\_ You have just been put on the full body/cavity search
list for the next time you fly into America, for uttering
such unpatriotic sentiments. |
| 2005/6/5-6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:37974 Activity:nil |
6/5 Mendocino Travel Report: Took 580 -> 101S -> 1. Total travel time,
including an hour of scattered food and view stops: 6 hours. There
was _no_ traffic on 1, but between the incredibly curvy roads and
the spectacular views, we hardly averaged 30mph the whole way up.
Returned on 1 -> 128 -> 101 -> 580, and the trip was a mere 3 hours,
including silly traffic slowth around Santa Rosa. --erikred |
| 2005/6/3-6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:37961 Activity:nil |
6/2 Helicopter lands on Everest:
http://everestnews.com/stories2005/everestcopter05272005.htm
\_ What's so special about it? Choppers land on mountais everywhere.
\_ Everest is the highest mountain in the world. It's difficult
to fly a helicopter in thin air.
\_ This was the first time a helicopter managed to land on
everest.
\-It was my understanding helicopers rarely went above basecamp
and the highest rescues were in the 20k-22k feet range.
Some what morbidly in the Everest area you see helicopers
maybe once a day ... you see them zoom in, and then
*immediately* come back heading in the other direction ...
and you know somebody is not a happy camper. sometimes you
are higher up then they are. also the landing strip at
lukla [main place to fly into the Everest area] is something
to see.
\_ I think the missing piece is "first time a helicopter lands
on the PEAK of Everest" |
| 2005/5/24-25 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:37818 Activity:low |
5/23 We know old people have problems on the road. Now we know they
have problems in the sky too. Maybe the 65 year old mandatory
retirement rule from airlines is a good thing afterall:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,157445,00.html
\_ It's just Republican propaganda. Really.
\_ I thought the commercial pilot mandatory retirement age was 60,
not 65. And nothing in that story suggests that age was a factor,
just basic cluelessness.
\_ Guys never stop at gas stations to ask for directions! Oh, it's a
plane ...... |
| 2005/5/19-20 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:37767 Activity:low |
5/19 I understand the US concern for EU to give loans to airbus, but
didn't we gave billions to help United so they won't go
bankrupt? Isn't it the same thing?
\_ airline providing service versus company providing product?
\_ US just a crying baby, I mean it.
\_ I think it's the same thing, but one could argue that the United
situation is a result of a terrorist strike.
\_ if that is the case, then, Southwest Airline must be aiding
the terrorist organization. How else would you explain that
Southwest is making profit in the midst of terrorist attack
and rising fuel cost?
\_ Southwest used their massive cash hoard to hedge fuel up
the wazoo, they are paying $30/barrel for their fuel still.
\_ No, actually we didn't give billions to United.
\_ According to Rumsfeld, if you can't prove that it didn't
happen, then we should give it the benefit of the doubt. Then
we should send in the marines and cluster bombs. Fucking
United won't know what hit them.
\_ Hahahaha, that's a good one! ;)
\_ They, like other airlines, pay little (or no?) tax on kerosene.
Likewise, I seem to recall they've received pretty lenient
treatment in terms of bankruptcy protection, but you should check
your own facts on that. The US does give pretty preferential
treatment to Boeing & other aerospace companies though, in terms
of contracts, sharing of research paid for by tax money, etc.--
beyond that, both Airbus & Boeing engage in enormously dodgy
tactics to secure deals. It's a thoroughly cutthroat industry, and
both the EU and US are right about the other side being a bunch
of protectionist lying shitbags. As for sending in the marines,
when's the last time you flew United? Notice the battleaxes they
have as stewardesses? Those chicks have hair on their teeth;
they'd eat those poor bastards up alive. -John
\_ rofl!! |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:37621 Activity:nil |
5/11 About the 15-mile-radius restricted air space in DC. How fast can
planes fly in low atmosphere? If it's around 300mph, it'd only take
three minutes to reach the center. How is that enough time to scramble
a fighter jet from ground to reach the plane and then try to
communicate to the offending pilot, before deciding to shoot it down?
\_ Wait for a redacted pdf outlining the military's plans, and then
copy all of the text into a plain text file. The answers will be
there. --eriikred
\_ SAM
\_ Oooo scary, Single Asian Man
\_ when it gets to the SAM stage, the only choice is to shoot down
or not, and when a plans is shot down, the wreckage has to land
*somewhere*.
\_ It's better if the poor tourists gets the falling debris
than plane crashing into something important.
\_ yes, like our beloved George Bush.
\_ believe me, they'll have jets ready by the time someone actually
breaches the 15 mile circle.
\_ Why would you want to fly into their airspace when you can easily
do a Lee Boyd Malvo? |
| 2005/5/6-8 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:37558 Activity:low |
5/6 Does any part of a hollow point bullet liquify during its flight?
\_ No.
\_ so how does it end up looking like this?
http://www.landro.no/images/Ref_nr64.jpg
I just got this off of images.google, and there are lots like it.
That sure looks to me like it's melted. Are you saying the
solid just deforms in flight?
\_ Lead is very, very soft. The reason for using a hollow
point bullet is because it expands when it hits flesh, making
a much larger wound cavity than the initial caliber of the
bullet.
\_ it didnt' take that shape in flight, but rather upon impact. |
| 2005/4/29-5/3 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:37432 Activity:low |
4/29 Anywere i can find a video clip of Airbus A380? thx
\_ http://www.airbus.com/a380/seeing/discover/index.aspx
Click on the Video's tab on the left hand side of the
page. There are several videos.
\_ Just out of curiousity, what are you hoping to see?
\_ i am a geek who travels alot, happened to get excited
on any sort of new civil airliners :p I am very excited
about Boeing 7E7/787 as well.
\_ There will be plenty available after it crashes like the A330.
\_ Nah Boeing will just bribe the US govt. to shoot one down. -John |
| 2005/4/16-19 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:37224 Activity:kinda low |
4/16 Quite decent article on why airline deregulation has blown major ass
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/04/16/airline_woes/index.html
\_ How does making air travel more affordable "blow major ass"?
\_ Cacelling pension obligations to keep the mediocre middle
management of United in place is criminal for starters.
\_ Wow, you didn't read the article. What a surprise.
\- that article has been classified as: ass. as in the case
of ca energy mkt the airline industry isnt totally
deregulated [and i am not suggesting it should be], but
there are some pretty unambiguously crazy regulations on
the books. YMWTGF: "wright amendment". a lot of the
allegation/evidence in the article have the flavor of
"there is a huge range of prices on torillas in SF. in fact
"there is a huge range of prices on tortillas in SF. in fact
i can buy a DVD player for the same amount $ as 15 packs
of torillas. isnt that crazy? there is a SF tortilla
of tortillas. isnt that crazy? there is a SF tortilla
conspiracy!". note: i am not taking a position on
airline dereg, just feel it isnt a good article.
BTW, if the source of the problem is mkr power [due to
BTW, if the source of the problem is mkt power [due to
mergers and concentration], that is a differnt problem
than dereg of prices. if you are more seriously interested
in IO analysis of airlines, look at something like Rand
Journal Econ. i dunno if they have free articles via WEEB.
they may be in something like JSTOR. ok tnx.
\_ Here's a quarter, go buy yourself a copy of Strunk
and White. Learn how to write in complete coherent
sentences.
\_ (Restored) Here's a quarter, go buy yourself a copy of
Strunk and White. Learn how to post in coherent
sentences. And don't be a fucking ass and delete
my post or I'll nuke yours like I did last night,
nitwit.
<stop deleting my posts, jerkwad, and learn how to spell
tortilla>
\_ Why did you delete the post from the guy suggesting you
obtain an elementary English usage book? This post does
look like it was written by drunken English tourists (and
makes about as much sense.) -John
\_ Industry consolidation is a direct result of deregulation.
It was even one of deregulations goals.
\- As indicated above, I think it is productive to
distinguish between price-deg of previously regulated
fair on air routes and a general change in how much
vigorousness the DoC/FTC antitrust people persue
mkt concentration issues.
<and also learn how to spell "pursue">
\_ By the way, potential knee-jerkers should note that this
isn't a Republican/Democrat thing - airline deregulation
was a Carter initiative. |
| 2005/3/4-5 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:36531 Activity:moderate |
3/4 A fully loaded 747 flies with only 3 engines:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/04/ba.jet.ap
Now I wonder if it can fly with just 2 engines.
\_ This is news? This is the reason there are multiple engines.
God you people are stupid. Do you have any idea what "tolerances"
and "redundancy" are?
\_ The fact that it can fly with three engines is not news. What's
news is that the pilot decided to continue its flight to an
airport 11 hours away instead of landing at a closer airport.
Redundancy in this case should be used to ensure safety, not
profit. Redundancy of this magnitude being utilized means that
there is little additional redundancy available for safety.
\_ You know not of what you speak. ask a pilot. If the FAA
gave them the okay, I trust them more than you. Ever seen
an engine failure on a trans-atlantic. Go tell _that_ pilot
he should land.
\_ '"We are concerned," said Laura Brown, an FAA spokeswoman.'
\_ I won't tell your trans-atlantic pilot he should land, but
I'll tell him he should land at the closest usable airport.
\_ Maybe they saved a lot of fuel with only 3 engines *shrug*
\_ In other news, SJ 757 flies on one engine:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/03/05/plane05.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/54pct (sfgate.com)
\_ Bah, try zero (0) engines:
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/gimli.html
\_ Thanks for sharing this, it's a really interesting article
\_ Wow, somebody on the motd is appreciative. You're welcome!
\_ except for a few pathetic old farts who like to
make disparaging and caustic remarks (you know, t*m and
ily*s) most of us are actually pretty nice and
appreciative.
\_ My guess is that it can cruise and land easily with two engines if
there is a working one on each side, but it needs four to take off
if it's fully loaded.
\_ Your guess is wrong. Almost stupid.
\_ Okay, so what is right, then? And what's your reasoning?
\_ You don't have 4 engines on a jet because you need the
power. You have them because you are carrying people,
and mechanical parts can fail.
\_ Are you saying that a fully-loaded 747 doesn't need to
be at full-throttle when taking off? And why most of
the jetliners don't have four engines? Mechanical parts
on twin-engine jetliners don't fail?
\_ It doesn't need all 4 to take off, but if one failed
that early in the flight, they would more than
likely abort. And with your addition there, I'm
convinced you're just stupid. Yes, twin-engine jets
have failures. that's why they have 2 engines.
Again, if it failed on takeoff they would try to land
as soon and safely as possible.
\_ I think I get what you're saying. You're saying
that 747s need only three engines while twin-
engine jetliners only need one engine, right?
\_ I'm not one of the posters above but
that sounds about right.
\_ I didn't know that a jetliner can safely fly
with one working engine on one side and no
working ones on the other side.
\_ what engineer wouldn't put a safety
margin on a plane where if one engine
goes down, the whole plane goes down?
\_ Engineers that designed single-engine
planes. :-)
\_ Just to make sure we all understand this correctly, the plane
LANDED with three engines, then TOOK OFF again with three engines
with a full load of passengers, because the captain thought it
was ok?
\_ Just to make sure we all understand this correctly, the plane also
TOOK OFF with three engines with a full load of passengers, going
from Singapore to London, because the captain thought it was ok? |
| 2005/2/15 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:36184 Activity:high |
2/15 http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/15/paris.airport.reut Yes, French engineering is superior (and did I tell you they make great looking things?) Anyone gonna fly the new Airbus? \_ Newer Airbus regional-flight planes > Older Boeing 737s Boeing 787 (on paper at least) > Huge new Airbus \_ Masterpiece of French engineering: Citroen \_ Actually, Citroen won the World Rally Championship last year. \_ Ford (Focus) was second. Draw your own conclusions. \_ Renault usually does pretty well in the WRC. However, the production models are not nearly as nice as the WRC models (cf Subaru/Mitsu) \_ And American corporations are superior -- Enron, Worldcom, etc. Anyone can fuck up building something, this is why statistics >> anecdotal evidence. \_ I'm glad you think so. So much so I think you should live in France permanently. |
| 2005/1/19 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:35783 Activity:insanely high |
1/18 Regarding the A380 airbus/French engineering troll... if I were to
pick machineries based on reliability, branding, and engineering
history, I'd pick in the following order:
Japanese > German > American > French
It's too bad that Germans and Japanese don't make aircrafts.
They really know how to make machineries that are efficient
and/or high performance. As for French engineering, when was
the last time they built anything reliable and/or worth driving?
Peugeot? Renault? No thanks.
\_ Honda has always wanted to get into the aircraft engine
business, and it has started doing it already:
http://world.honda.com/AircraftEngines
\_ I just saw the Honda Jet video, it is AWSOME!!! I LOVE IT.
\_ German machines tend to be slick but fragile.
\_ and I suppose Americans are much better? Say you got a 100 mile
drive to a wedding/job interview, would you drive a 20 year old
Pontiac or a 20 year old Mercedes?
\_ You do know that JD Powers polled 293 problems per 100
Pontiacs after 3 years ownership, and 318 problems per
100 Mercedes Benzs in the same period. The MB has fewer
initial quality problems (132 per 100 vehicls) than the
Pontiac (142 per 100), but the Caddy, which is more
comparable to the MB anyway, has just 103 initiali problems
per 100 vehicles, and just 209 after 3 years. To back it
up with personal experience, the 2 MBs I've owned (ML320
and E430) are pure crap with electrical and vibrational
problems too numerous to list.
\_ The previous poster said 20-year-old Pontiacs and Mercedes,
not late model year ones. 20-year-old Mercedes are much
more likely to keep on running today than 20-year-old
Pontiacs. I agree that today's low-end Mercedes are craps
for their price tags.
\_ Yes. But I fail to see how the reliability of 20-
year-old cars applies to current German ability to
design and manufacture reliable machinary. Low end?
A friend's SL500 dash lit up like a Christmas tree 2
hours after he picked up the car from the dealership.
"Dude, your check engine light is on... Now the empty
gas tank light too... What does *that* other light
mean?..." I had a great laugh over it and he was
pissed at me for a couple months. Of course, he also
has the Land Rover that has never ran for 3 months in
a row, including the time when it would not go into
reverse, which made leaving a parking spot somewhat
entertaining.
\_ Mercedes has ran their reliability into the ground.
Who knows why this is, although I've seen (somewhat
troll-ish) claims that it is related to their move
into East German factories. BMW seems to have
kept up to speed, however. One factor here is that
car reliability is much higher than it has been in
the past, and the differences between makes is not
nearly as great as it used to be. Car makers have to
work very hard to keep up their standards, and of
couse Lexus sets a very high bar indeed (too bad they
make such boring cars).
\_ As a BMW owner I can call their cars
'adequate'. The engine itself will run
forever, but everything else (including
transmission) is delicate. My BMW has been in
the shop more times in 3 years than my Honda
has in 10 years. I prefer the BMW because of
performance and styling, but that's it.
\_ The decline of Mercedes started with its merger
with Chrysler.
\_ But interestingly, Chrysler has had something
a comeback since the merger...
\_ which means, crappiness and quality are both
conserved, and that Chrysler owns Mercedes,
not the other way around?
\_ Concur. Also, the Swedes are good engineers. What about the
British? Certainly they made good planes in WW II.
\_ Britian used to make passenger planes, but a very famous
set of myserious crashes in, the 50's (I think) ruined
them. It turned out the metal they had used would
fatigue and eventually break off in flight. They did,
however, figure out the cause via some very impressive
detective work, so they at once lost their reputation
fro building aircraft but gained one for good aviational
detecive work. I think the plane was called "the Comet."
Addendum: Here we go:
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/chasingthesun/planes/comet.html
\_ Scotlandyard?
\_ The Spitfire was the best fighter....
\_ Our Boeing 747s use Rolls Royce engines.
\_ Really? I heard Volkswagon engines lasts a long time.
\_ Volkwagen is near the bottom in reliability. German cars
are high performance, but break easily. Japanese are
durable. American cars are... uh...?
\_ Cheap. The world you are looking for is cheap.
\_ German engineering is the best! Panzer >>> Shermans. V1/V2 rockets were
state of the art. Their ME262 fighters flew faster than any WW2
prop fighters. And they have the Autobahn, which tests German cars
under great stress. I love German engineering. ALL HEIL GERMAN!!!!!
\_ Airbus > Boeing (not a troll)
\_ Yeah, Boeing never crashes their demo planes into the trees
due to faulty design. Airbus = r0x0rz!
\_ The Airbus was foolproof. Basically, if you are 50 feet from the
ground the computer assumes you're landing and takes over the
throttle/controls and guides you to a gentle landing. During the
Airbus demo, the pilots were instructed to make a low level pass
from the ground (common aviation demo), and when they flew it,
they flew 30 feet from the ground. The computer thought they're
landing, and took over. So yes the Airbus is foolproof, the
pilots are not. P.S. All Boeings have an option to turn off
fly-by-wire. None of the Airbuses have that option.
\_ If you make something foolproof you will breed greater fools.
\_ Trusting computers that completely is blatantly stupid.
\_ That is true, but trusting humans completely is even worse.
cf. the collison in Switzerland. It really comes down to
a choice between trusting the people who designed the
plane/machine (ppl like you) and those who pilot them.
Contrary to popular myth, the latter are not that reliable.
Contrary to popular myth, the latter are not more reliable.
\_ That's hilarious! URL please?
\_ as an engineer, I have reservations on the latest and greatest
technology. First of all, the A380 is GIGANTIC so it requires
longer runways and more complex systems to accomodate for its
size. If there's a problem, you can only land in certain
airports so if you have to reroute or land due to weather or
mechanical problems, you're screwed. Secondly, big systems have
more points of failure, and even when you add redundancy, they
crash more catastrophically than smaller systems due to bigger
mass and less available land (you can land small planes in a
dessert, but with A380 you'll generate so much spark/fire and
leakeage the chance of surviving is minimal.)
Thirdly, big systems tend to be complex than smaller ones and
in general complexity introduces new and unforeseen problems.
Lastly, I just don't know enough about French engineering to
really trust the A380.
\_ Must be a really small plane or a really big dessert.
\_ I prefer fudge sundaes, myself.
\_ I knew people who adored American engineering, boarded a Boeing
or MD, and migrated to the big aquarium. |
| 2005/1/18-19 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:35772 Activity:very high |
1/18 Would you want to fly (ride in) the A380?
\_ There's something I've learned about the world of engineering.
The first time a product is released to the public, there are
always "kinks". Never be the first to try a certain product
because those kinks will bite you. I certainly don't want to
be the first to fly an A380.
\_ Sure, depending on the price. Having a bed and a casino would
certainly make flying more fun - like crossing on a ship
used to be.
\_ Yeah, dream on. Every time a bigger airplane is made, it's
predicted that you'll have a bar and such on it. In the end,
very very few airlines opt for such amenities, and most end up
using every single inch of free space for passenger seats.
\_ Well, this is what Virgin has announced.
\_ Virgin already has bars on its existing 747s. However,
Virgin seats are pretty cramped, so it may not be the
best trade off.
\_ Personally, I'd rather have comfortable seats and have
my drinks there ..
\_ will they be able to fill the planes? 800 people a plane?
500 people a plane?
\_ They're only intended for long-distance, high-traffic routes, so
yes.
\_ new Terrorist weapon released?
\_ why not 747?
\_ cuz it's the old terrorist weapon
\_ not for Airbus, hell no. First of all I don't trust their
record. In 1998 during a demonstration flight, due to a bug
in their fly-by-wire software the then new A320 crashed into
trees. Secondly I don't trust Airbus management. After the
the Habsheim debacle, Airbus recovered the blackbox (they
don't have NTSB equivalent) and actually SWITCHED the black
box to cover up their mistakes (gotta make stockholders happy):
http://www.airdisaster.com/investigations/af296/af296.shtml
Thirdly, I just don't trust French men and their snobby
"I am better than you" attitude. I certainly would not fly
in a plane designed by French men and flown by French
pilots.
\_ This is a long shot, but I played around with A320 model and
747 model in AeroFlyProDeluxe (R/C flight sim), which is
supposed to be very physics accurate, and I found A320 to be
far worse in many aspects, such as handling, response, and
stall reaction.
\_ Yeah, only Americans are allowed to have that "I am better
than you" attitude.
\_ But your modest "I am better than French men" attitude is just
wonderful.
\_ I wonder if he would fly in a plane designed by himself
and flown by himself? Probably not.
\_ Not sure about op, but I would fly in a plane that I
designed b/c there is a snowballs chance in hell that
any plane I designed would actually leave the ground.
\_ Do you still call them Freedom Fries?
\- one of the standards used for eval new aircrafts is called
ETOPS which stands for extended range twin-engine operations.
there is a joke it really stands for "engines turn or passen-
gers swim". if memory serves boeing wanted to move to faster
cetification for things like over large bodies of water
flights after they switch to heavy computer design ... i think
for the 757. |
| 2005/1/17 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:35751 Activity:high |
1/17 http://www.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/01/17/airbus.380.reut/index.html Why I think this is a stupid idea. You usually have one point of entry and exit per plane, and the time for all the passengers to get on/off the plane increases greatly with 500 passengers. Second point. Say you fly 1 plane that hauls 500 passengers vs. 5 planes that haul 100 passengers. If there's malfunction on the jumbo 500 seater plane, you're fucked, but you still have options when you have 4 other planes. In short, I think the bigger something is the dumber it is. -csua armchair pilot \_ But with 5 planes, your overall failure rate is multiplied by 5. Anyway I think Boeing's 7E7 Dreamliner thing is more interesting. Their idea is that people want to go direct, not always get routed through giant hubs. Although I think most people will still put up with hubs if it's noticably cheaper. \_ Is your 100 passenger airplane overall operating cost 1/5 of the 500 passenger version? I would think it would cost a lot more to operate 5 100-passenger airplane across the Atlantic vs. 1 500-passenger airplane. \_ It would cost a lot more to operate a 500 passenger plane filled with 200 passengers than it would be to operate 2 100 passenger planes. How many routes do you think have that kind of demand or the ability to service a jet that large? |
| 2004/12/29 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:35486 Activity:very high |
12/29 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142867,00.html Laser directed into jet's cockpit and "air traffic controllers used radar to determine the laser came from a residential area". How does the radar determine the source of the laser? They're totally different. Someone please explain. \_ I'm not saying this is what happened, but if these words were randomly formed out of thin air in the mind of some dingbat journalist it wouldn't be anywhere near the dumbest fiction I've read in the news. If you go to http://news.google.com and read various random links, the ones that mention the use of radar as you describe all have *identical* wording, while quite a few do not mention radar at all. That's often a symptom of dingbat journalist syndrome. \_ If they knew where exactly the plane was when it got hit, and they knew what color the laser was, they could figure out how far away it was fired at the jet from, and could then figure out where it was fired from, approximately. \_ What does color have to do with it? \_ Obviously the only reasonable response is to bomb the residential area. How many planes have to fall out of the sky before we let the airlines defend their property? \_ Perhaps they drew a straight line from the tail down through the nose of the plane. The orientation is at the moment the pilots reported being painted. The radar gives the position of the plane. The line intersects with the residential area. |
| 2004/12/7-8 [Transportation/Airplane, Transportation/Car] UID:35195 Activity:very high |
12/7 http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 Rethinking traditional ideas of road and traffic design (the Dutch model). Has anybody actually seen this work? Does it mean faster trip times overall? I remember always driving down Milvia in preference to Shattuck; the bumps and occasional stop signs were far more pleasant than lane changing and stop lights. \_ Not entirely relevant, but the Dutch are the worst drivers in the world. They're like Italians but without determination. -John \_ I did stuff like that a lot too. The LA version of this is 'stay off the freeways.' -- ilyas \_ ilyas, you seem to hate LA, and you seem to hate UCLA. Why don't you move somewhere you like (better school, better environment, etc) instead of bitching every day? I mean, this is a free country, you can do almost anything you want. \_ The motd will now be nuked in a temper tantrum in 5..4..3.. \_ You seem really smart, can I learn from you? -- ilyas \_ Yeah, I much prefer the Bike Route roads to major thoroughfares. In Inner and Outer Sunset in the City, roads like this have extreme advantages over their more congested, light-regulated cousins. |
| 2004/11/15-16 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:34907 Activity:kinda low |
11/15 I got a ticket for 92 in a 65. Won't give me traffic school because
of that extra 2mph I think. How screwed am I with that on my record?
Besides losing my good driver insurance thing.
\_ I think that's 1 point because you are 8 shy of 100 (where it is
automatic 2 points and traffic misdemeanor - also traffic school
ineligible - i know cuz that was my frist ticket)
\_ As long as you didn't get written up for "reckless driving"
I think you are okay. -IANAL |
| 2004/11/10 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:34815 Activity:nil |
11/9 http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/THE%20BIONIC%20DOLPHIN.htm http://www.engadget.com/entry/1994668577945435 Bionic Dolphin, BionicDolphin, I want one for Christmas! |
| 2004/11/7-8 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:34734 Activity:moderate |
11/7 Does anyone know if police departments have records of where officers
were patrolling on a given day? In particular, I'd like to know if
a particular traffic cop only bothers to patrol a certain area during
certain time periods (e.g., the opening weeks of school when people
might not be sure whether school has started yet). Thanks.
\_ Oakland PD lists beat cops by zone on their website.
\_ And they would release this information to you because??
\_ Because it would probably be a public record?
\_ So you can hunt down and kill the nice officer who gave you
a ticket? Ooh ooh ooh- and let's publish photos of the
undercover narc squad!
\_ Cops on patrol are usually given callsigns when they check
in to work. Names are never used. The call-sign-to-
name-for-that-night association is likely logged at the
communication center. -POC
communication center and not on a public website. -POC
\_ Umm, since most cops do tend to patrol certain areas,
it's not like I couldn't hunt him down if I really wanted
to. It's also not like he doesn't go to the police station
once in a while and I couldn't follow him from there.
But I just want to find evidence to discredit him with
so I can get out of this lame ticket, okay? Thanks.
\_ I predict that if you rephrase the question in terms
of getting out of the ticket you will get more useful
responses. What sort of ticket?
\_ I seriously thought this was implied. Anyway, it
was an illegal U-turn ticket. The sign had some
lame conditions like "7-9 AM, 1-3 PM, school days
only". It was near the beginning of September, and
I don't think I should be responsible for knowing
exactly when their school year starts.
\_ Ignorance is seldom a credible defense in the
eyes of the courts. -POC
\_ I think you should be responsible for knowing.
Whether or not the violation should be pardoned is
another story. |
| 2004/10/22-24 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:34298 Activity:low |
10/22 Recommendation for real-time internet traffic and outage reports?
\_ ping. :-)
\_ http://traffic.com You have to register, though. |
| 2004/10/15 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:34140 Activity:nil |
10/14 I Can Fly (Mil Photos)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1245392/posts |
| 2004/9/16 [Transportation/Airplane, Recreation/Food] UID:33561 Activity:high |
9/16 How does Hooters manage to hire only chicks with hot boobs as
waitresses and yet avoid discrimination lawsuits?
\_ It's legal to discriminate on physical appearance if it is necessary
to the performance of the job. Being hot is not a requirement to
be a waitress. However, being hot is a requirement to perform the
Hooters waitress job, and looking presentable is a requirement for
most customer service jobs.
\_ uh, what if you're a racist and you open up a steak house and
decide to hire only white chicks to preserve the tradition?
\_ Uhm, no. Hooters was sued by a number of men and they settled
out of court. The EEOC investigated the matter for four years,
but they dropped the matter since nobody really cared. So
it's still undecided (since none of the cases made it to
court) on whether or not Hooters really can get away with
this sort of thing. They can basically discriminate until
someone else files a suit against them and it actuallly makes
it to court. Please refrain on commenting on things you don't
know anything about.
\_ An employer can discriminate based on appearance. This
has been upheld many times from beards at Disneyland to
tattoos and piercings. The policy needs to be applied
consistently and comply with EEO guidelines with regards
to race, sex, religion, etc. Even discriminating by age
is acceptable in some instances.
\_ Again, no. You are being overly general. An employer
may or may not discriminate based on appearance depending
on what jurisdiction the business is in and what type of
business it is. It varies from
state to state and the Federal Government has been
unclear about this issue. There hasn't been a big enough
case to go to the courts to determine this issue once and
for all since most of the suits are settled out of court.
Since most likely no employer is going to overtly say
that they didn't hire so-and-so because of their looks
(they would be really stupid to do so) it's also a
somewhat difficult case to litigate, and there aren't
any real federal statutes on this yet.
\_ People have been fired (or threatened to be fired)
based on appearance. Again, an example was beards
at Disneyland. This is allowed. Go look at the EEO
web site to see what kinds of discrimination are
allowed and in what instances.
\_ At Disneyland, you're hired as an actor for a part.
\_ Exactly. This is a perfect example of being able to
discriminate based on appearance. The women at
Hooter's are not hired for their waitressing
skills. However, if one is fired for being Muslim
then she has a case.
\_ The burka might pose a problem for working at
Hooters.
\_ I've never been to Hooters. Do the waitress actually do more
with their bodies than merely walking around and showing off?
And I thought even the showing-off part is just unwritten mutual
understanding between the waitress and the employer, not written
rules.
\_ Depends a lot on the location, but quite honestly, Hooters
is just the right speed for married guys who don't want to
cheat, but want to act "bad" for a while. Some Hooters had
waitresses play Twister, and it works for some, others not.
\_ Cf. Coyote Ugly Saloon in NYC. You can look, but you know
you can't touch. Very relaxing, really.
\_ How much do Hooters waitresses get paid?
\_ I don't know, but most waitress jobs get shit for salary and make
their living off tips. I'd assume tips are even more important
at a place like that.
\_ Which is exactly why Hooters doesn't have to worry too much
about guys applying. They'll get no tips. Go Capitalism!
\_ Cf. Chippendale's.
\_ I know that airline stewardess have gotten uglier and uglier by
the generation. Either it's the junk food or the system.
\_ It used to be a very glamorous job. Flying was such a
luxury. Now you are stuck serving soda to a family from Des
Moines. I assume that salaries are also lower now,
contributing to cheaper tickets.
\_ It seems just from observation that what young cuties there
are are stuck flying crappy domestic routes, and old
battleaxes get the "glamorous" international routes.
Sometimes you find someone hot with language skills on
international flights. First/business stewardesses tend to
be more attractive too.
\_ It must be that stewardess get to choose the routes based
on seniority.
\_ Yep, I assume so. Damn unions.
\_ That's only US airlines. Try Singapore Airline or JAL, where
discrimination against ugly applicants are still legal.
\_ Emirates Air has by far the best eye candy. The Singapore
girls are also very nice. I once flew Air NZ with some
significantly cute attendants, and one Auda flight had
a model-quality attendant. Small sample size on those
though.
\_ I agree, Singapore Air ladies are nice to look at. The
uniforms are pretty cool too.
\_ Yes, it's only the US airlines. Damn those unions. |
| 2004/9/3 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:33318 Activity:high |
9/3 Informal Poll: What has been peoples' experiences with Berkeley traffic
courts? Did you contest? Did the officer show up? Attitude of the
judge, formality, etc...
\_ Had to appear in a Berkeley traffic court over a fixit ticket that
I inadvertently forgot to pay (broken taillight cover). I was the
last one in the dock. The judge was a VERY mean old man with a
disconcerting lazy eye. He ripped into everyone that appeared
before him, handing out harsh sentences left and right. Then there
was me. Basically he took my story at face value and gave me a $75
dollar fine...I have no evidence of this, but since I was the only
white guy there I have a feeling I was benefitting from someone's
racism.
\_ Idiot. You got a $75 fine for a $10 fixit ticket. That was
the most he was able to do to you, dumb white-guilt white boy.
\_ When the last black man leaves the bus, it always erupts
into a big party ...
\_ If you contest it you're going to blow more time,
your 1st appearance in traffic court is to enter your plea,
your trial will be scheduled for another day. the above
only white man in berkeley poster didn't make it to the trial
phase, it won't be the same judge. it sucks that just
to contest, you're going to waste your entire day, first
you have to arrive extremely early in the morning to sign
up for walk-in court, then the judge hears everyone's pleas
in the afternoon, and your case gets called in a random
order, unless you don't speak English, in which case
all of the non English speaking people cases get heard
first so their interpreters can go home quickly. That
might be a good scam and would save your time. - danh |
| 2004/8/10-12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:32817 Activity:high |
8/10 Where can I find the cheapest fare from here to Vancouver Canada?
Travelocity gives me $200 for a roundtrip but I wonder if there are
low fare or commuter airlines serving this route.
\_ priceline. I just got 180$ roundtrip fron nyc to oakland on
priceline.
\_ where is "here?"
\_ Berkeley?
\_ By the way, $200 non-stop from California to Vancouver is a
good fare. How much less do you expect to pay?
\_ I am hoping to get some thing just slightly above the fare
between here and LA. I thought maybe many people commute
between bay area and Vancouver. -- op
\_ While I'm sure sales happen, I've never done better than 200.
\_ You're not going to get a much better price. The dozens of
flights between Bay Area to LA especially those from low-fare
specialist Southwest make the market very competitive. The
SFBA <-> YVR is nowhere near that hot.
\_ How cheap do SFBA <-> LA tickets get? What's typical?
-outofstater
\_ SWA has $39 one-way 7-day advance purchase regularly
and $98 day-of-purchase. Typical is about $75 one-way
with some advance notice.
\_ I don't think any LCCC flies SFBA and YVR, so there is no
reason for the fare to be low. That said, I've done SFO-YVR
for < $150 before. That fare exists occasionally. I noticed
that UAL has a OAK-SEA fare for $123. You can do that if you
willing to drive to Vancouver.
\_ Fares from here to SEA tend to be much cheaper than those to
YVR (among other things, YVR is a private airport, and I was
given to understand that the airport charges the airlines
substantially more than the average). Often the cheapest
option is flying to SEA and taking a bus (~3-4 hrs) to
Vancouver proper. If you want much cheaper than that...
Well, there's craigslist rideshare... and hitchhiking...
\_ YVR also charges passengers directly -- you have to pay
an "airport improvement fee" of 10 CAD every time you fly
from there to the US.
\_ RIDE BIKE!
\_ Well, it is only 140 miles. It might be a pretty nice
bikeride, depending on the roads. That's really pretty
countryside.
\_ I've driven it and it is mountainous. It would
take a long time on a bike. |
| 2004/8/8-9 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:32770 Activity:very high |
8/8 Has anyone done traffic school via the Internet? How long does
it typically take? Recommedations [for SF]?
\_ In SF, don't you have to take an inperson test at a UPS store or something?
\_ Also you can only go to approved online traffic schools:
http://sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/courts/online_traffic(2).pdf
\_ About 2 hours. I forgot which one I did (just randomly chose
one off of the list of allowable places). It was great: fast,
quick, and very easy.
\_ Most of them also let you save your progress, so I did just
a little at a time over three days while watching TV, piece
of cake.
\_ I went with http://internettrafficschool.com. It's supposed to take
about 8 hours, and they actually time your progress to prevent you
from skimming- this just means you're watching TV in between
skimming. Nice site layout, fairly engaging content. Customer
service was fair, took them a few days to resolve my complaint but
it happened.
\_ My brother did this a few months ago. He said it took about
2 hrs total. He did it during his lunch hour over two days.
\_ I used http://opentrafficschool.com, it was easy. I don't remember
exactly how long it took, but 2 hours sounds reasonable.
They allow you to save and come back, so I spread it out a
little bit. The final test had errors in it though.
\- i did this as well. i just loaded all the pages in different tabs
so that i could skip to the tests. i surfed the web for about 5-10
minutes between some of the page loads. i probably spent 30
minutes on the site itself, but time elapsed was about an hour.
\_ partha is that you? psb #1 fan
\_ you are not the psb #1 Fan. pick your own #.
\_ no, the \- was a slip. but thanks for the compliment.
- psb #17 fan.
\_ gf got ticket in San Mateo County. I went online and took her
test for her, 40 minutes (includes registration time). Damn easy.
\_ What did you get for doing that? ;)
\_ They didn't check ID?
_________________________________________________________________
\_ what is the purpose of this line?
\_ maintaing the horizontalness of the motd.
\_ It's purpose is to prompt question like these.
\_ its
_________________________________________________________________
\_ This is a bad sign: she is lazy, irresponsible, and evasive of
unpleasant tasks. Dump her NOW!!! |
| 2004/7/20-21 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:32388 Activity:nil |
7/20 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3910965.stm In Soviet Russia, we do air rage against you. \_ jeezus christ, that's scary--here's why: I was planning to post the same link with the same tagline. need to get out more. \_ If you've been to Russia as a tourist, you'll be grateful for simply bad, inconsiderate service. Service staff there manage to take the fight to the customer. -John |
| 2004/7/19-20 [Transportation/Airplane, Computer/Networking] UID:32364 Activity:high |
7/19 Cringley's plan to use WiFi in the Sky:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040715.html
\_ Who exactly is this guy?
\_ uh, you dont know? I had always kind of assumed that posting
"I, Cringley" articles was like posting links to slashdot
\_ I always assumed he was some guy reporting on pseudo geek
news or something from the article titles but, no, not really.
Should I care what this guy says about anything? Does he have
some fantastic track record for predicting technology trends
or is he just trendy?
\_ No one has a fantastic record for predicting technology
trends. |
| 2004/7/15-16 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Law/Court, Reference/Military] UID:32304 Activity:low |
7/15 Help, I just bought an 8 year old Cherokee Archer and now AOPA
wouldn't stop spamming me (snail mail and email) unless I joined their
organization. I called them up to get it stopped but it's not
working. What should I do?
\_ Autoforward all their email back to one of their own addresses
with a rewritten header telling them to stop sending this stuff to
you. Whether or not they stop won't matter since you won't see the
email. Snail mail you burn. It's free firewood.
\_ Send a certified letter demanding they cease all postal and email
contact or you will sue for harassment.
\_ Does that work? Under what conditions can you sue for harassment
based on annoying letter and email spam? How hard is it to
actually win something like this?
\_ While it would be a PITA to sue them, thet'd probably take the
hint.
\_ That's a $140K airplane. How often do you use it to justify the
cost?
\_ And that's any of your business because...? Maybe one flight
was enough to justify it to him. There IS a wider world outside
your own head, you know.
\_ I am just curious. Maybe *I* want to buy a plane, too.
It's none of your business to ask why I want to know.
\_ *shrug* fair enough.
\_ And do you have a Middle Eastern last name? Get the DHS on this
one stat!
\_ EIGHT year old plane costs $140K? How about a new one?
\_ $205K + options, which can reach $235K+
\_ Options? Can you get dubs on an airplane? Preferably with
spinners? How about custom exhaust?
\_ Don't forget random Azn characters. Each one
adds hp +5.
\_ How much for an NO2 sticker?
\_ And a clear case with neon lights?! I want
plane m0dz! |
| 2004/7/6-7 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:31189 Activity:very high |
7/7 Given that Southwest is consistently 50% cheaper than United and
JetBlue, why would anyone wanna fly the more expensive airlines?
\_ Several years back, I used a friend's voucher to fly OAK>MDW
(ie., Chicago). What was otherwise a 4-hr. flight/no stops
took 8 hr./3 stops! Never again.
\_ This was just a shitty flight to take. I flew SW non-stop to
Saint Louis for 1/3 the price of the next most expensive
fare. If you want 15 stops to save money the experience will
suck on any airline. SW does offer non-stop to many places.
\_ I go with whatever priceline coughs up, based on price. I fly
for consistently way less than *any* one airline could provide
to really expensive destinations.
\_ Because the last time I checked, they weren't that much
cheaper and I got treated like a cow with their FCFS seating.
\_ Because I hate having to squabble for a good seat.
\_ First come first served sux as a seating system. Esp. if you
have an extra carry on or you connection is a bit late.
\_ As compared to the other airlines, where they seat you
according to how many miles you fly with them?
\_ yeah mileage perks are great if you actually fly much.
and if not, the minor points don't really matter so much
to your quality of life.
\_ If you check in early enough, you can always get a
decent seat. I usually arrive at least 30 mins before
checkin is supposed to start and I've never had a
problem getting a good seat.
\_ One time I ended up being the last person boarding a Southwest
flight because I made a mistake of arriving only one hour before the
flight and passing through security people took a very long time
(this was shortly after 9/11). The only seat that was still available
in the whole plane was next to some fat guy who was so big, he
could have used two seats. Needless to say, this flight was
really uncomfortable..
flight because I made a mistake of arriving only one hour before
the flight and passing through security people took a very long
time (this was shortly after 9/11). The only seat that was still
available in the whole plane was next to some fat guy who was so
big, he could have used two seats. Needless to say, this flight
was really uncomfortable.
\_ That someone had to sit next to the fat person is the fault of
no one but the fat person (or agruably the airline for not
forcing him to buy 2 tickets). That you were the person sat
next to the fat person was a result of something arguably under
your control (arriving late).
\_ Choices, choices... fat person, crying child, smelly person,
evangelist, or someother odious habited person... It happens.
\_ This could have happened no matter which airline. In
fact, being able to choose who you sit next to is an
advantage in Southwest's favor.
\_ Southwest has a much lower class of traveller than
reserved airlines.
\_ Yes, because it's CHEAPER! Sigh. If you want the
cheap flight full of hot skinny floozies, take the
SWA Friday evening flight out of LA to Vegas.
Otherwise, whining is pointless.
\_ By the way, I have noticed that if you purchase the ticket well
in advance (say two to four weeks before the flight), AmericaWest
tickets are almost always cheaper AND you get to choose your
seats.
\_ Because... SWA doesn't go everywhere. Someone else is paying and/or
you want to get the miles from the airline. SWA may not have a
convenient schedule. Feel more comfortable with brand name. etc.
\_ Flying out of Oakland is a hassle.
\_ Not of you're living near Oakland (like Berkeley). It takes
longger to get to SFO, even with SFO Bart extension.
\_ Sure, if you live in Berkeley. I live in San Francisco,
near a BART station. I can get to SFO in 20 minutes.
Oakland takes 1 hr+ and involves dealing with the Air
BART shuttle, which is kind of a pain. Once on Thanksgiving,
the line was so long I waited almost an hour for it.
But I still fly SWA when I have the time and I want
to save money.
\_ oh really? 24th and Mission to SFO is 24 minutes on
BART, and that doesn't count your time getting to BART,
or having to take the monorail on the other side unless
you're flying international (which you're not if you're
flying SWA).
\_ Which is why SFO was trying so hard to attract the
low-fare Virgin-brand airline.
\_ The last time I flew into Oakland, I arrived just
after midnight... just after AirBart stopped running.
Even though bart trains themselves run past one in
the morning these days. I hate AirBart.
\_ Interesting. I always found Oakland to be most convenient,
whether I am going to SF, East Bay, or even Sonoma/Napa. SFO
sucks and San Jose is too far.
\_ Oakland is GREAT. I say that because I fly LAX<->OAK and
relative to LAX, OAK is really fast, efficient, easy to get
around, cheaper parking, smaller terminals, etc. LAX is
impossible. Long lines, expensive parking, crowded, hard
to get around, etc. LAX sucks.
\_ Oakland is great but flying into LAX sucks. JetBlue flies into
LongBeach and is often cheaper than SWA. You also get your own TV
and biscotti.
\_ w/ mileage status i found LAX easier than OAK on united since
there were plenty of express lines and self-checkin counters
in LAX terminal 6 and relatively fdirect taxi access.
\_ JetBlue is awesome, especially when you're flying between coasts
and get a direct flight for about the same as what SWA would
charge you for a 1-2 stop flight. Having (free) TV on the plane is
a good way to pass the time. |
| 2004/7/2 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:31120 Activity:kinda low |
7/1 Battlefield Vietnam is AWSOME AWSOME AWSOME! Nice dense forest where
you can hide, vehicles slow down in muddy terrain, good jungle
sound, GREAT graphics in the airplane/helicoptor, etc. They
should've charged $70 for the game.
\_ Do you get to take 3 scratches in 4 months, go home, tell lies
about those left behind and call yourself a war hero 30 years
later? That would be "AWSOME!" and worth $70.
\_ No, better! You get to remain a pencil-necked geek who takes
potshots at people who actually risked their lives in war!
Dood, yr AWSOME!
\_ The man VOLUNTEERED for VIETNAM. He REQUESTED hazardous
(relative to sitting on a carrier) swift boat duty. He
risked his life under fire to save his men. Fuck off,
troll. |
| 2004/6/21 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:30940 Activity:high |
6/21 Private space flight: http://tinyurl.com/yq2jn (sfgate.com) \_ stupid comments about hating everything deleted. violation of the waste of bits laws of physics. \_ Why do you hate physics? \_ I don't. I love physics. That's why I'm protecting the laws of physics from bit wasting motd posts. I even got a "P" in Physics 10! |
| 2004/4/10-12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13131 Activity:high |
4/10 Does anyone have any information on or experiences with Thai
Airways Intl? Are they reliable/safe? Thanks.
\_ Most of their pilots are trained in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.
Take offs: ok. Steering: excellent. Landing: not so good.
\- helo i have flown thai a number of times. in the last few yrs
they have more or less consciously modelled themselves after
singapore airlines, i.e. big focus on in-air service.
as for safety, you may wish to see:
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Articles/News
[i missed SQ 006 by a little bit ... switched to SQ 002]
If you are scared to fly a major airlines like this, you should
just kill yourself. However, I wouldnt blame you for being a bit
nervous on say Sita Air [where the pilot's GPS was from Sharper
Image] and there was more weight in beer in the cabin than people.
\_ yeah, "major airline". maybe I should just kill myself.
\- I hope you have a good flight and then get SARS. --psb
\_ but SARS has a low fatality rate.
\_ That is quite mean.
\_ wow partha that is the most malicious I've ever
seen you.
\- you all should get together and have a CircleCough
\_ I've flown Thai Airways several times, as have many of my ex-pat
friends. The planes are modern and safe, the pilots fly smoothly,
and the flight attendants are wonderfully polite and an absolute
joy to look at. Business class is better than Economy, of course,
but Thai Air's Economy is better than the steerage you'll find on
Northwest. --erikred
\_ Thai girls... mmmm... yummy....
\_ Ummm... you know those are really guys... right?
\_ At least we still have Singapore girls.
\_ When guys start looking *that* good I'm going queer.
\_ Most of them are post-op, so it's not really that queer.
\_ Pre, post, whatever. Hot is hot.
\_ Does retrofit vagina feel as good as real vagina?
\_ Pre, post, queer is queer.
\_ mesmerized by the pattern. must post.
\_ he's just jealous that he'll never be as hot
Image] --psb
as the other Thai girls. his surgeon sucks.
\_ if any more of this stuff is posted directly to the motd instead of
as a url somewhere it'll be toasted instantly with no further
warning. post a link to his site. if he cant then make one for
him and post it. but stop abusing the motd with endless lengthy
ramblings from this one guy.
\_ ok, look. If you're reallly reporting straight from Iraq to the
motd that's pretty cool, but could you PLEASE provide context for
these posts? Are you in the army? marines? a contractor? tourist?
where are you?
\_ he mentioned Flur in another post, which probably means he's
constructing infrastructure of some kind (I see mention of water<
and electrical in central/south iraq) -chialea
\_ civilian contractor working on iraq reconstruction. (our camp
-fluor daniel-is located within camp taji)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/taji_m.htm -kinney
\_ This is the equivelent of political spam. Instead of posting
this whole guys blog here, why not just provide a link and let
us read it ourselves?
\_ Kinney is a contractor. This is from one of his emails. He does
not have a web site. Don't delete this. -dans
\_ 4/11 [ I said, no spam, bitch. Just post a link ] |
| 2004/4/9 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13111 Activity:nil |
4/9 Radar clocks Mini Cooper at mach 3: http://csua.org/u/6ud \_ Equiped with Mini-Twin Rocket Pack(c) and Dual Enhanced Thruster System(c) while pointed straight downwards after being dropped from orbit by ESA launch vehicle last June. \_ I wonder how much an outfit like Mini might pay for that sort of \_ BMW thing. |
| 2004/4/8-9 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13086 Activity:nil |
4/7 Any recommendations for bay area travel agents? Like to book
tickets/trip to Hawaii for August of this year.
Hoping to beat the online prices. Thanks.
\_ Doubtful you can beat those. Try to consolidator airlines for the
best deals, but not exactly the best service.
\_ What are consolidator airlines?
\_ http://www.google.com/search?q=consolidator+airlines
\_ Any recommendations for online sites, then?
Tried united, aloha air, hawaii air, yahoo travel, expedia...
\_ Also try suntrips (http://www.suntrips.com They always have
great airfare and package deals to Hawaii and Mexico.
Also check out their advertised specials in the chronicle.
-- sky
\_ i'd try travel agencies that cater to the chinese crowd.
they seem to have pretty decent deals. check your local
chinese newspaper for ads. of course, it helps if you
speak and read the right lingo. |
| 2004/4/4-6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13011 Activity:nil |
4/4 Any opinions (good/bad) on http://InternetTrafficSchool.com? \_ I just finished http://tinyurl.com/2qwab and it \_ I just finished http://www.trafficschoolonline.com and it was really simple and easy. Let's you work on it whenever you feel like it. For an extra fee I had them fedex my cert to me. I started it on Thursday night, did some more Friday night, finished Saturday morning. I had my cert in hand on Monday morning and mailed it off to Court right away. \_ I took it, it was easy. I finished it too late and even though they say they mail your completion certificate to your court, they mailed mine to me. So it ended up not counting, but I don't really blame it on them. I should not have waited until the very last possible moment to complete it. \_ did you know most courts offer a 10-14 day grace period? as long as the cert says it was completed by the due date you can still mail it in a couple days later. |
| 2004/3/25-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Transportation/Airplane] UID:12869 Activity:high |
3/25 I got a ticket for running a stop sign [around midnight in SF ...
(no traffic)]. The cop claimed I didnt even slow down but went
throught it at 30mph. I may have not done a full stop, but what
he is claiming is totally wrong. This is hopeless to argue and I
should just do traffic school, right?
\_ Do a trial by written declaration. I got out of a red light ticket
in SF. The cop claimed that I "totally" ran a red light and he
even saw the camera light flash. I checked with the city and there
was no camera in the direction I was driving so I wrote and said
that the cop must have been either distracted or something, because
no such flash could have gone off... he was a jerk anyway for giving
me a ticket even though he thought that I'd get a second one in the
mail.
\_ concur with this respondent, do this.
\_ Unfortunately there were two cops in the car for one thing
and I'm sure they would back each other up. And the best
I could say is "I live around here, so of course I would
have known there was a STOP there." I can't "prove" something
like you could about the camera.
\_ i tried to get out of a california stop in berkeley several years
ago, no luck.
\_ Your best bet is to ask for a hearing in traffic court and hope
\_ this isnt a "best bet" but "rolling the dice". and
considering you dont know what your 'saving throw' roll
is, this doesnt seem a great thing to bet on. is the cop
not showing up probability 50% or 5% or ... ? anyone have
some guess about the base rate on a no show? --psb
\_ Whoah. "saving throw", Partha? You must be as old as I am
or older. -- ulysses
\_ Because kids today don't play d&d, they play magic?
\_ why is that old? a bunch of 13 year old proto dorks
play D&D at the cafe by my house.
\_ I see. Please forgive my ignorance. I really was
under the impression that rolling dice, indexing
damage tables and all that had been replaced by
more automated modes of play like card decks and
software. Then again, my last attempt an an RPG
session was coming on a decade ago. -- ulysses
\_ nope, new charts, new tables, same dice.
\_ Hell, Ulysses, being older than you isn't that hard.
Or rare.
\_ True. I think my issue is that I didn't know how
old Partha is, though. Then again, Sandy
or somebody else probably did tell me at some
point. -- ulysses
\_ Old... old like the hills... old.
\_ If you are just going to ask the judge for traffic
school if they show, the risk is low. There is a tiny
chance the judge will say no and fine you I guess,
but most likely they will just accept your plea.
school if they show, the risk is low. There is a
tiny chance the judge will say no, I guess, but most
likely they will just accept your plea.
\_ I'm not trying to offend you, but do you know
this because you worked for a city gov or your
brother-in-law is a cop or...
\_ I could claim any reason, since this is an
anonymous forum. Let's just say that I know
plenty of lawyers, including a couple in my
\_ I'm not trying to offend you, but do you know
family. This is the "standard way" to fight
a traffic ticket. Pay a lawyer $100 to tell
you the same thing if it makes you feel better.
\_ CA cops almost always show so don't depend on that.
\_ I see. It's always CHP busting me, not locals. tx.
this because you worked for a city gov or your
brother-in-law is a cop or...
\_ CA cops almost always show so don't depend on that.
\_ Not true. CHP almost always show, but for city cops,
it depends on the locality. I dunno for SF.
\_ This is true; my brother has beaten tix in CA by
counting on local PD not to show.
\_ I see. It's always CHP busting me, not locals. tx.
that he doesn't show up. If he shows, then just ask for traffic
school. If you really want to be clever, if he shows, you can
ask for a continuation, saying your lawyer didn't show, and then
try and reschedule for when the officer is on vacation or something
but you are on pretty thin ice here. I would just plead guilty
at that point and ask for traffic school.
\_ If your dad is the president or head of the CIA, you can have all
charged dropped.
\_ Wow! That worked! Thanks! -op
\_ What if I belong to a powerful political MA dynasty and I left
a woman to drown to death in my car in a lake? Can I still be
a Senator?
\_ Or if you abandon your children (ie not pay child support)
after you abandoned your wife and she divorced you, and
you lead a charge to champion "family values" while
Speaker of the House
\_ Kill the cop, then he can't show. With no witnesses, you win!
\_ Time == money. The fine is $315 or so. If it's worth your time
to fight it (and possibly lose), go ahead. Read the citation.
If it's just failure to stop, it's just about impossible to fight
it (without witnesses). If it says you missed the sign completely
or went through at specific high speed, you might have a case,
especially if you very are familiar with the area (ie. you know
the stop is there and could NEVER have run it at the speed noted.)
\_ If your dad is the president or head of the CIA, you can have all
charged dropped.
\_ Wow! That worked! Thanks! -op
\_ What if I belong to a powerful political MA dynasty and I left
a woman to drown to death in my car in a lake? Can I still be
a Senator?
\_ Or if you abandon your children (ie not pay child support)
after you abandoned your wife and she divorced you, and
you lead a charge to champion "family values" while
Speaker of the House |
| 2004/3/2-3 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:12491 Activity:nil |
3/2 how do i deter flies from flying around my back yard? i suspect
the pigeons in my neighbor's back yard is attracting those flies.
\_ flypaper. For the larger problem, Alka Seltzer + cats.
\_ RAID. Or poison the pigeons.
\_ I really don't understand how disk arrays would prevent flies.
\_ Some sticky yellow tapes which attract flies and sticks to them. I
don't know what they're called.
\_ the number of flies is too many plus it's outdoor. sticky
paper won't work well in this condition. i just want to see if
there's some non-destructive and environmental friendly way.
\_ what about those things that emit sound on frequencies annoying
to insects? i've always wondered how well they work, though.
\_ what about those "bug" lights?
\_ i think those attract bugs and fry them, as opposed to
just keeping them away in the first place.
\_ Actually I've used flypaper outdoors to great effect. Had
what seemed like a zillion flies zipping around, the paper
worked well. Put up about a dozen strips, and the flies
were all stuck to the paper within a few days.
\_ frogs
\_ part of Fly's life cycle is that its larvae need to be hosted in
dead animal / decade flesh. You might want to find out the source
of these dead animal near your back yard. Once you are able to
cut the part of fly's life cycle, you will able to cut number
of flys significantly. This is the only effective way for dealing
with Flys (aside from massive DDT/pesticide spread). |
| 2004/2/26 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:12409 Activity:nil |
02/25 After living in Berkeley for 6 years, today, for the first time,
someone told me that he got a BPD jaywalking ticket in Berkeley (on
Center, near BART, nothing particularly unsafe past the norm --- no
cars coming or anything; just lots of HS kids around, since it was
right after school). Has BPD just started ticketing for jaywalking?
Have they been at it all along? What the hell, doesn't BPD have more
worthwhile things to spend time on?
\_ this is one issue where the nypd got it right. after the mayor
decided to crack down on jaywalking a reporter jaywalked in front
of a cop and literally asked for a ticket, and they refused.
the cops decided en masse that giving jaywalking tickets in
a city like new york is total bullshit and refused to do it
as a matter of policy.
\_ Yeah it is better to slow traffic, get pedestrians killed, piss
off drivers and make it 'normal' for the numerous crazy and
the alzheimers inflicted old to wander into traffic. If you'd
ever been there to see someone get his, to see their body fly
20 feet like a rag doll and blood pool on the street and flow
into the sewer you might have a different attitude. You're not
an idiot but you are an arrogant know-it-all ignorant git.
\_ What you're describing is a fine reason to push anti-
jaywalking educational material, not a law fining people
for doing it in front of cops. No one wants to see anyone
get crushed by a car, but there's a limit to the efficacy of
legislating common sense.
\_ I got one back in 1991--it's nothing new. Depends on whether
the cop's got a quota to fill, whether he got up on the wrong side
of bed, cosmic rays, whatever. Same as campus cops with bike
riders--remember that students are easy, profitable targets. -John
\_ I had one walking from the Power Bar building to check my car in
parking meter at lunch. Was a marginal infraction: I had started
~ 5m before the intersection (diagonal into the street) to reach
the cross-walk which displayed the 'walk' signal by the time I
reached striped lines. Sargent was on opposing corner. He had
a gay lisp and an upside down flag on his lapel (this was
a month or two after 9/11). I describe it as 'walking while
white' - a hate crime in Berkeley.
\_ Son, how do you use your arm with that huge chip on your shoulder?
\_ You sound just like the hateful racists you think you're
opposed to. You're no different. Intolerance hurts us all.
\_ Hey dimshit, thanks for censoring.
\_ I love how the answer to any good reply is always "I got
censored!". I didn't censor you. If you think you've
got something to say I can more than easily hold my own
with you or anyone else on here. Fear of your sharp
wit and clever replies isn't on my top 10 worries list.
You're a hateful racist and need to deal with that.
\_ It's also worth pointing out that if you have
something more than a line long to say on the motd,
it's really not hard to save a copy and paste it
back in after it gets killed. It's not like
you have to handwrite your motd posts.
\_ It is an on and off thing. Generally they are very lax about
jaywalking, but every now and then they will crack down at
very specific spots. I suspect that happens right after an
accident caused by jaywalking. Also I've seen cops give people
a hard time for jaywalking right in front of them, and if that
person blows them off they tend to get a jaywalking ticket. Cops
seem to especially hate it when you slow down traffic by jaywalking.
\_ Seconded. I once crossed Durant against the light, stared
down an oncoming car, and walked up onto the sidewalk,
nearly into a cop standing there. He yelled at me but as
soon as he saw the look in my eyes (I was coming back from
a far-too-long project meeting @ soda) he let it go.
\_ So you're saying you struck fear into the heart of a BPD beat
cop? Unlikely.
\_ I think he meant pity, not fear.
\_ In these budget-crunching times, I'm sure they are feeling
pressured to bring in money with small-time infractions.
\_ i think they only do it now and then when there are high school kids
around, because they want to impress upon people that they shouldn't
be a bad influence. i was stopped and written up once during the
lunch hour, but i never actually got the ticket... -lila |
| 2004/2/17-18 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:12281 Activity:nil |
2/16 If I plan to fly several times a year between US and asia, is there
a way to get lower fare (other than accumulating mileages)?
\_ do you know in advance when you'd be flying? perhaps you'll
find the reverse round trip (asia->us) less expensive over there.
\_ from asian travel agencies such as the following:
H.I.S. http://www.his-ny.com/sanfrancisco/index.html
(in japanese)
http://www.iace-usa.com/html/english.html
\_ HIS got us roundtrip airfare from Japan to four stops in the US
to Europe and back for $1200/person. Very nice. |
| 2004/2/11-12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:12225 Activity:high |
2/11 I have proof that 9/11 was staged by our government:
http://www.the-movement.com/air%20operation/Journey.htm
\_ This ain't proof, just a bunch of rambling thrown
in with a few coincidences.
\_ The very concept is so ridiculous I don't see a reason to waste
the wear and tear on my mouse to click the link.
\_ even if you don't agree, aren't you curious?
\_ no, I've been on the net for 20 years, how much more lunacy
should i subject myself to until I can stop being curious?
\_ Remember The Maine!
\_ Similar but no-go. A good shot at it, though.
\_ All the "9/11 never happened" people are just radicals who want
to overthrow the US government. [formatd]
\_ As soon as we draft the general we'll take over and reshape the
country, no!, the world in our image! It shall be glorious!
\_ In a similar vein, I have evidence that Flight 93 was
really shot down by the govt:
http://www.flight93crash.com
\_ Oklahoma City was done by an Iraqi conspiracy, and the US
government is covering it up!
http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/News/021022a.asp
\_ Do you have the whacky links 'proving' that the pentagon wasn't
even hit by a plane? Those are the best.
\_ yes, I would like to see those too.
to overthrow the US government. |
| 2004/2/6 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:12116 Activity:kinda low |
2/5 speaking of death: http://www.anesi.com/accdeath.htm \_ I like this: "If you are really concerned about your safety, stop smoking, lose weight, and get moderate exercise. And watch your drinking and use of non-prescription drugs" while not saying anything about driving. They should say "If you are really concerned about your safety, stop driving." \_ and to be truly safe, go live in a cave. \_ Read "The Hot Zone"? Things like ebola may grow in caves. \_ yeah yeah ride bike, light candle, use linux, whatever. the rest of us have lives to lead. we don't live on your utopia. \_ go fuck yourself. it's not that hard to live near where you work. \_ Uhm, yeah, if you work at Safeway, moron. Or you're a kid willing to way overpay *rent* on a shitty little run down 1 room in a south bay or penninsula pit. Some of us have real lives going on and can't just pick up and move to the next slummy pit for a new job. Did I mention you're a moron? Yes, I did. I think I forgot to mention you're also a self righteous smug little ignorant bastard, too. \_ I work in the Financial District and live one half block from the Muni stop. For the last 10 years I have lived and worked in San Francisco. It isn't that hard if you make it a priority. |
| 2004/1/10-11 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:11735 Activity:nil |
1/9 Got to look out for those evil flight simulator players
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34776.html
\_ This is all Bush's fault. I think Cheney was directly involved
in this one.
\_ That's not a flight sim player; THIS is a flight sim player:
http://perso.netpratique.fr/ssimo/Tigrou_video/video.zip
Okay, he's actually a military flight school pilot PLAYING
a flight sim. But damn, he's good.
\_ Excellent!
\_ Is Lock On good yet? I heard it had lots of release bugs. |
| 2004/1/6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:11675 Activity:nil |
1/5 How easy is it to forge a ski lift ticket? ok thx.
\_ the forging part is easy.. just to make it look well...
however most resorts use a keyword (or phrase) on the face
of the ticket that changes each day. so you will have to get
to the resort.. see the tickets.. then go someplace where you
can print the tickets for that day.
\_ also, some places (i think Sugar Bowl is one) have different
colored tickets everyday.
\_ that is fine. My primary concern is how easy it is assuming
you have a perfect legit copy. For example, say 6 buddies
go in a van, and only 1 buys the ticket, then it's easy
to duplicate it. The only problem is the texture of the
ticket (waterproof) and the ink (ink jet is usually not
waterproof), which I don't know how to solve yet.
\_ That's easy! Buy 6 tickets each day you cheap ass!
\_ No dude! You can't let the Man get j00 |>0\/\/|\|!1!!
\_ Forge a season pass instead.
\_ Gosh, I kind of feel bad. This was a pretty well-crafted troll to
try to draw out a loud moral type.. I just rolled really well on
my saving throw. No cookie I guess, though it's not your fault. |
| 2003/12/6-7 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:11334 Activity:nil |
12/5 How does an airplane know its true speed instead of air speed? Thanks.
\_ African or European? -John
\_ radar, possibly GPS
\_ oh yeah, you can get heading/speed via radar if you're
on IFR or on VRF flight following. -csua pilot
\_ http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasinfocalc.html
\_ That computes true air speed, not ground speed. -geordan
\_ what exactly is the difference between the two?
\_ If you're flying at an air speed of 300MPH eastward in some wind
whose speed is 50MPH westward, your true speed is only 250MPH.
\_ but i get screwed in physics question when they think
the instrument panel shows true speed. :(
\_ there is the true airspeed, indicated airspeed, and ground speed.
You get true airspeed by taking in account of indicated airspeed
and the environment (temperature, humidity, etc), and the know
calibrated errors from the airspeed indicator (indicated airspeed).
Then you get the approximate wind speed from ATIS, tower, or
other reliable source, recalibrate it (since wind speed is always
true north whereas your heading indicator is always magnetic
north). From those variables you can get a pretty precise ground
speed. However, GPS makes it a lot easier. -csua pilot who
quit being a programmer and is now flying turboprops in
the midwest
\- csua pilot: what are those sign like A45 R16 etc you
see by the side of runways at commercial airports.
i think they sometimes have arrows on them.
\_ A45? Don't think that exists. Suppose you see A16.
It means you're at the approach end of runway 16 and
that you better hold short of runway till clearance
from ground. A15-33 means you're approaching runway
15-33. Runway numbers are aligned to the magnet north
rounded up/down and the last digit is omitted. For
example, 15-33 means runway 15x-33x (same runway).
Say 33x is 330, then it is aligned 330 degrees and
330-180 (150) degrees. All of this information is
readily availabe on the annual publication of FAR/AIM
which is easily accessible even at Borders/B&N. If
you're really curious, go to your local flying club
and fly a plane for once! It'll be the most exhilirating
$50 you'll ever spend in your life. http://www.beapilot.com
\- oh ok good. yeah i was guessing it has something to do
bearings, but was wondering why i didnt see larger
numbers. now why in large planes, do they open the
window shades for landing [so passengers arnt
disquieted?] and turn the cabin lights on/off
during takeoff/landings.
\_ in the old days (and when you're training as a
a pilot), you turn off all the non-essential
power-hogs so that during take off you don't
overload the circuitry and blow off fuses. This
procedure has been passed down for historical
reasons and we [airlines] still do it just
because it works. As for the shades, it's just
to shut the damn passengers -csua pilot
\_ actually there have been cases where the
passenger notices something wrong with the
wing or the fuselage (which is not caught
in the sensors). But like I said all the
non-essential stuff is secondary to
flying.
\_ yeah, like the time the passenger saw
that little monster on the wing and he
was tearing apart the wing and no one
would believe him
\_ yeah!! where was that??
\_ I think it was an X-Files episode.
\_ Maybe, but it was definitely a
Twilight Zone episode.
\_ Episode with William
Shatner; in the movie with
John Lithgow. |
| 2003/9/30-10/1 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:10389 Activity:nil |
9/30 Anybody know about the four fighter planes flying over Oakland? They
are grey rather your standard performance-group paint job.
\_ A fly-over for the 1pm Giants game?
\_ Yep. It was the "Fighting Redcocks" from Lemoore NAS.
\_ Yup, it was the fly-over for the start of the Giants game.
\_ 2-0 |
| 2003/9/15-16 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:10202 Activity:nil |
9/15 Got a traffic ticket in Palo Alto. Anyone know of any
fun/easy/cheap/quick traffic schools that I can go to?
Palo Alto doesn't allow online traffic schools.
\_ The DMV cracked down on 'easy' and 'quick' years ago. You'll get
the state mandated minimum $X hours in every class and they all
'teach' the exact same minimal standards in that time frame. They
all take attendance, etc. Suck it up, son. Sorry. |
| 2003/9/6 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:10103 Activity:high |
9/6 Snopes caught red-handed trying to cover their ass when proven wrong!
Ahahahah!
http://shock-awe.info/archive/000858.php
\_ who's snopes, and who cares?
\_ myth-debunking website, often cited as an "authority" by
fat sysadmins.
\_ I know who/what snopes is but I agree: who cares? You seem to
take this personally.
\_ Just thought it was funny. So what do you care about? Weight
loss products?
\_ Oh no! A someone was wrong, and then they corrected themselves!
we can never trust them on anything ever again!! |
| 2003/9/5 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:10086 Activity:nil |
9/4 Rather than building midget useless weak carriers that require
vertical take off planes (which have worse performance than
non-vertical take off planes), why don't the Brits just build a
bigger carrier?
\_ JSF
\_ Because they can't afford one and putting all your eggs in one
basket is both militarily stupid and inflexible.
\_ The British have the right idea. Vertical takeoff craft which
are computer-piloted.... That's the way to go.
\_ Until the FoF system tags a 747 landing at O'Hare as an
incoming enemy bomber and kills a few hundred people. The day
they can take the people out of wars is the beginning of a
perpetual war which won't end until all industrial bases are
destroyed on one side or someone uses WMD on a large scale.
\_ It's IFF
\_ Friend or Foe, thanks.
\_ Watched T3, did you?
\_ Yes, but you apparently didn't. That wasn't the message
in T3 at all.
\_ it worked in the Falklands. Also, the U.S. marines use Harriers
too. Nod to the can't afford comment above.
\_ USMC has a pretty good reason for using Harriers. As an
expeditionary force, they can't rely on the existence of
proper runways everywhere.
\_ worked damned well in the Falklands actually. OP, the Brits
don't have any current concerns about taking on the USAF. They
don't need a USAF quality AF. They just need enough to pretend
to be a world power and smash second world Argentina quality
nations every so often or back us up here and there for good PR. |
| 2003/8/8-9 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Reference/Military] UID:29284 Activity:kinda low 50%like:29280 |
8/8 http://csua.org/u/3vw That campaign site is a gold mine. \_ Old news. The question everyone wants to know is...does the action figure come with a 1:6 scale cup to memorialize the drug test he skipped out on in 1973? \_ Just how many drug test have YOU skipped out on ? \_ None. AND I haven't run for president. |
| 2003/7/30-31 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:29185 Activity:kinda low |
7/30 John Gilmore flies again, turns around international flight
because of a dangerous political button. Also included is a link
to a column Declan McCullagh wrote 5 years to the day before
September 11, 2001. http://www.politechbot.com/p-04973.html
\_ Declan McCullagh is an idiot. He's semi-famous for being Declan
McCullagh and that's about it. |
| 2003/7/17 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:29069 Activity:high |
7/16 What's the best way to get to San Diego on a weekday with least
traffic, especially through Orange County?
\_ There is only one route dumbass. Look on a map.
\_ I see I5. I see 1 / 101. Then past OC, I see 15.
\_ most people take the 5 all the way.
\- according to the CHP who pulled me over on the grapevine,
"5 is the fastest way for sure" --psb
\_ living in Irvine, here's my 2c:
time of day: 9am - 330pm passing from the la/oc border
thru dana point is fairly light traffic.
time of day: 9am - 330pm is ok from the la/oc border thru dana pt.
route: if you do run in to traffic in OC(hunt.b. --> s.j.cap.),
you can take 73-toll
if you need to pass thru LA, then avoid LA thru 930am(probably)
route: if you do run in to traffic in OC, you can take the toll
road: I-73 (hunt.b. --> s.j.cap.) -nivra
\_ Southwest Airlines (assuming you're coming from somewhere they
fly from - since you didn't say, we can only guess somewhere the
far side of Orange County.) |
| 2003/6/7-8 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:28664 Activity:moderate |
6/6 I need to fly from LAX to Denver in September and the airfare is
like $275, which is ridiculous since I can fly cross country
for barely more than that. Is there some trick to get a
reasonable airfare for a market that obviously doesn't have
enough competition. I'm assuming that I'm not going to be able to
save $100 by using priceline. Am I wrong about that?
\_ why dont you enter your price in priceline and find out..
thats the whole point of priceline.. you name your price
duhhh
\_ Cuz I won't get frequent flyer miles, nor will I be able to
choose the time of day of the flight. Priceline would be a
last resort.
\_ It is ridiculous. Half of that is probably just taxes so
I wouldn't expect priceline to give you that huge of a discount.
\_ laugh, priceline will take your money if u underbid
\_ Try searching on http://www.expedia.com and save the itinerary for
a few flights. The price fluctuates depending on fuel prices,
bookings, phase of the moon, etc., so if you check every few
days you can buy the ticket when the price is lowest. I've
seen fluctuations on the order of 20-30% over a few weeks.
Also, try flying into and out of other nearby airports. Finally
flying on certain days (Tuesdays and Thursdays, I think) is
cheaper. Good luck. -emin
\_ Do you think it could go down by 30% even during the summer
months?
\_ RIDE BIKE!
\_ http://biddingfortravel.com |
| 2003/5/19 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:28481 Activity:kinda low |
5/18 How much is a carpool lane ticket on 880 around Fremont? I thought
it's around $271, but the notification I received said I owe $321.
And, what's the easiest way for me to find if I qualify for traffic
school if I can't remember if my last traffic school is within the last
18 months?
\_ $271 is the minimum
\_ You scumbag, I hope you get socked with more than that next time,
and I hope your insurance company doubles your fees. Bastards
like you ought to be executed on the spot.
\_ Yeah because no one ever made a mistake. You're an idiot. -!op
\_ Fuck all that. Kill the cars. Jackhammer the roads.
\_ Why destroy perfectly good roads? Abortions for all!
Retroactive ones! The human race is a virus!
\_ Take it to a judge, admit guilt, ask for a reduced penalty because
you're a poor student or you're an idiot and didn't notice the
signs or something. The judge can also send you to traffic scool
no matter what for simple driving infractions like that. Whatever
you do, do not plead innocent. You're guilty as hell and you're
just going to annoy him. |
| 2003/4/23-24 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:28199 Activity:very high |
4/23 I bought a used Bel 855STi radar detector. But didn't get the
manual. Does someone have it in electronic format? Or can I
borrow a paper version for a short time? -- sagarwal
\_ Hope you're not using it in CA. Not only is it illegal but the
cops here don't use that much radar anyway. I got picked up by a
\_ You're 0 for 2. It's legal, and while the CHP don't use it
that much, the local PDs do.
cop on 580W who spotted me and correctly pegged my speed from more
than a mile back without any gear. He was polite about it and let
me off with a warning, thank god, but the cops here don't need the
radar to bust you with a pricey ticket. My new rule of the road is
simply, "never be the fastest car out there". Haven't been picked
up since yet still get where I'm going plenty fast in second place.
\- hello, what kind of car where you driving, what was your
speed and what was the speed limit. i think anytime someone
gets a speeding ticket they should post these details in the
motd [along with location]. ok tnx --psb
\_ Honda civic, 85 in 65, where 580 meets 238 going west.
\_ If you get picked up without radar, take it to court.
You can much easier fight a ticket when there's no
radar report. It's probably the reason why you got off
with a warning. I've fought off tickets before, so
I'm speaking from 1st person experience. Not fun.
\_ Since I didn't get the ticket there was nothing to fight.
Most of my tickets have been for red light running and
illegal turns so radar isn't an issue.
\_ http://www.ncsl.org/programs/esnr/radar.htm
They aren't illegal, except for commercial vehicles.
\_ Maybe so, but still won't save you from tickets.
\_ As far as I know, CHP sometimes use radar to detect, but
always paces for a mile for confirmation (and to keep the
judge happy). |
| 2003/4/1 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:27936 Activity:moderate |
3/31 Are there any tips for using JetBlue to go LAX->OAK and back?
I always hear about these ~ $24 fares but the lowest I ever get
is $39, and that's in the middle of the week.
\_ start planning early. catch one of the specials.
\_ Is that a safe airline?
\_ it is a good airline. http://jetblue.com |
| 2003/4/1 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:27931 Activity:nil |
3/31 Airlines are in trouble. Troops need to be sent to Iraq.
Why not have the military take over some of the airlines planes
to fly to Iraq? |
| 2003/2/2 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:27275 Activity:kinda low |
2/1 Does anyone have a ticket for some stupid show next
Friday?
\_ bleah bleah bleah fuck off. - danh
\_ Yes, but dan never contacted me about them. Must be trolling
for tickets or something. Bringing the art of trolling way
over my head. --disappointed ticket holding sheep |
| 2003/1/29-2/1 [Transportation/Airplane, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Kinney] UID:27231 Activity:moderate 77%like:27261 |
1/28 Anyone have an extra ticket for the sleater-kinney shows in
San Francisco next week? I would do just about anything
to buy your extra. - danh
\_ Would you get my sheep off? He's more used to getting his ass
plugged and I'd like to make it up to him somehow.
\_ Then give him a reach around. Geez, how hard is that? I know
there isn's a man page on sheep, but try to use your brain...
\_ I don't do reach around. It's about my cock, not his. I do
have an extra ticket if danh is interested.
\_ Yes, please contact me to negotiate.
\_ Nonono! Contact *me* to negotiate! I've got better tickets that
the h0zer above.
\_ My sheep does!
\_ My sheep has tickets! Will trade for services!
\_ goddamn you are funny!
\_ You should really consider my sheeps' offer. He's quite serious
about an exchange for services.
\_ Sleater-Kinney?! yeah! I have 3 extra tickets! you should have
asked earlier. |
| 2003/1/16 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:27111 Activity:moderate |
1/15 It would be nice if a bunch of sodalites showed up for this
important case defending freedom to travel. I will be there.
http://www.politechbot.com/p-04312.html -ausman
\_ How would a bunch of smelly, poorly socialized, obnoxious, ignorant
nerds showing up help anything? I'd think you'd want them to stay
home to support the cause?
\_ How long has this guy been fighting this policy? I totally
agree with him but airlines have *loved* forcing people to show
IDs for years because it keeps people from reselling their
tickets and undercutting their last minute ticket prices.
\_ I still want to know why you want smelly unsocialized nerds to show
up? It can only hurt your cause.
\_ I disagree. It shows public interest in the case.
\_ You've never been in a real court before, eh? It's really
easy to annoy a judge and it'll show in his rulings. |
| 2002/12/17-18 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:26840 Activity:kinda low |
12/17 Anybody tried selling southwest airlines flight coupons before?
They're good for round trip anywhere SWA flies. I'm thinking of
selling them but not sure what price I should ask. They're pretty
much good anywhere in the US.
\_ Craigslist shows between $250-$300 depending on blackout dates
and expiration date.
\_ I've both bought and sold them before on eBay. $250-$300 is right. |
| 2002/12/5-6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:26727 Activity:high |
12/5 I have about 60K airline miles with United. I'm afraid of losing
them if the company files for bankruptcy. Anybody been through a
similar situation with another airline? Do bankrupt airlines that
continue operating honor their airline miles? I really don't want
to just buy a ticket because trips have to be planned and I don't
have any plans right now.
\_ They claim they're planning to keep the frequent flier plan alive
through the re-org because they want the repeat business. If you
go somewhere else you'll never come back and they know it.
\_ 60k? feh, 1k premier
\_ huh? what does one have to do with the other? maybe he
just uses a lot of miles? i'm 10k, and i probably only have
50 or 60k miles saved because i fly my wife with me on trips.
\_ You expect it to make sense? Motd.
\_ People with lots of FF miles are business travellers for the most
part. They're usually paying higher ticket prices due to last
minute travel. United does NOT want to piss these people off. Your
miles will be safe until United goes out of business.
\_ Yeah yermom racks up quite a few miles. |
| 2002/12/5 [Transportation/Airplane, Academia/GradSchool/MBA] UID:26718 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 Get your ticket to heaven: http://www.ticket2heaven.com \_ I see all the failed dot-commers are starting to graduate from business school? -John |
| 2002/11/29-12/1 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Law/Court] UID:26667 Activity:very high |
11/29 Has anyone used a lawyer for fighting a traffic citation? If so what
was the outcome and how much did you shell out.
\_ Unless you killed someone or you're up for some other sort of
serious felony conviction you're wasting your time. The lawyer
fees will seriously outweigh the court penalties for a simple
guilty plea. No real lawyer will take your "75 in a 55 zone" case.
\_ how about 125 in a 30 zone?
\_ I think that falls under "serious felony".
\_ I used the SF Traffic Clinic lawyers to fight a traffic citation.
It was a couple hundred dollars, but I avoided a point on my
driving record, and kept my insurance costs down too. They
specialize in driving citations in the bay area and are pretty
good at arguing down a 75 in a 55 zone to a smaller offense. --chris
\_ Be your own lawyer: http://nolo.com
\_ thanks chris, that's what I wanted.
\_ Be your own lawyer: http://nolo.com. Direct(but long)URL:
http://nolo.com/lawcenter/index.cfm/catID/8A09EBA2-DCC7-4589-9ADC0530153F4C9C/subcatid/CF015A63-6B69-4EED-A34B6F4035C8BE0E
http://nolo.com/lawcenter/index.cfm/catID/8A09EBA2-DCC7-4589-9ADC0530
153F4C9C/subcatid/CF015A63-6B69-4EED-A34B6F4035C8BE0E
Check out books like: Fight your ticket
\_ I have the Nolo book, used it in court, judge loved
\_ me too. but I didn't do everything the book said.
my attempt and reduced the fine but didn't dismiss
the ticket. --op
\_ same here. but I didn't do everything the book said.
Since then, I've been waiting for a speeding ticket
to fight but haven't gotten one --poster of the book link
\_ I used stuff from the Nolo book and totally got my ticket
dismissed. It really helps to know the Law here. -ERic
\_ Ever heard of http://csua.org/u
\_ You're doomed. |
| 2002/10/22-23 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:26277 Activity:very high |
10/22 http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/22/virgin.payout/index.html Try the poll. Last time I voted, 16% says that the airline should pay for the seat. That means that 16% of american are fat asses that requires two seats on a flight. That is just sad. \_ Or they realize how much narrower seats are these days, when in the past the config was 2+2 and is now 3+3. At some point el lardo must pay, but at which bit? I do know that SWA shouldn't be putting them in the emergency aisle! \_ american planes already have amongst the widest seats. It's the The USA should ban transmorgified fatty-acids (crisco) and leg room that keeps getting shortened. \_ If you take up twice as much room, your should pay twice as much. The USA should ban transmogrified fatty-acids (crisco) and excitotoxic flavir enhancers. they are making people fat and causing syndrome X. (insunin resistance and high blood pressure etc) http://www.treelight.com/health/PartiallyHydrogenatedOils.html \_ some people can't help being that fat...it's genetic for them. as a compromise, they should pay 1.5X the regular seat. airlines should accomodate them. shit, america accomodates for every other "disability" that exists. \_ Being fat isn't a disability. The number of people with actual hormonal problems who "can't help being fat" dwarfs the number of people who just overeat. \_ Yeah, my Twin-XL bed shouldn't have cost anymore than a regular twin bed despite it costs more to make and uses more resources. Yeah Right. If you eat more calories that you burn per day you gain wait until your energy consumption matches your caloric intake. \_ Less than 5% (I've heard 1%) of obesity cases are genetic. But maybe they should offer some seats that are 2 to an aisle instead of 3 that cost 50% more... this isn't communism, the general population shouldn't have to pay for the few that are overweight (whether it is due to genes or habits). It's not like safeway charges you per visit... you pay depending on how much you buy /consume. \_ it's not the number of seats but the weight that should be taken into consideration too -- more jet fuel \_ not to mention the safety hazards. getting stuck in aisles, crushing other passengers, etc \_ Screw the fat people. They should all stay home until Jerry or Heraldo cuts down a wall and wheels them out on a truck to the hospital. \_ Actually, it just means that 16% of Americans are either fat or pinko commies that want to stick it to corporations whenever possible. Even when it makes no sense. -jrleek \_ if you hadn't noticed, it's the corporations who want to stick it to Americans--the airlines in this case. \_ I hate those fat pinko commies that want to stick it where it makes no sense. |
| 2002/10/15-16 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:26186 Activity:high |
10/15 Anyone know why a F18 or something is loudly flying around over
Mountain View?>
\_ my keyboard only goes up to F12.
\_ Northgate used to make keyboards up to F24.
\_ Uh, because Moffitt Field is there??
\_ Train harder. Moffett Field NAS closed years ago.
\_ I thought it was being used by the Air National Guard.
\_ It's still working. NASA has flights out of there.
\_ It is now a federal airport. I saw a bunch of Chinooks
flying into it on the way into work.
\_ There was a missle test at 7pm yesterday. Don't know if that's
related. -- yuen
\_ Are the Blue Angels still in town?
\_ When?
\_ This was around 9:30 this morning. Woke me up flying pretty low
around my apartment.
\_ Moffett Field. Low rolling thunderous? Probably the big
Chinooks mentioned above. Their flight patterns differ
on the weather, so you might have just gotten unlucky with
the noise today. |
| 2002/10/1-2 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:26063 Activity:high |
9/30 Recommendations for travel agent near Foster City? Looking to go
to Key West, Florida. Thanks!
\_ use hotwire.. way cheaper than any travel agent..
\_ what if you want to be able to change your flight? hotwire
sucks unless price is teh most important thing to you.
\_ well then.. yer not looking for a cheap flight then
its usually not exactly cheap to change flights.. at
least a $50 charge usually.
\_ Did the OP mention anything about looking for a cheap
flight? Also, if you cancel your flight with a normal
(non hotwire) ticket, you don't lose $50... you get flight
credit and can rebook later. But $50 is still better than
missing your flight and then having to pay $1000 for a
full price ticket.
\_ varies with airline. All major ones will charge you
a change or rebooking or cancellation fee.
\_ if hes hunting for a travel agent its a good guess
that hes searching for a great price. travel agents
have lost most all commisions these days so their
discounts suck compared to say, 3 yrs ago. yer right,
if you cancel you get your fair back. my point is,
travel agents suck for price these days. they are
good for advice and not much else for domestic. if
he wants a non-hotwire then use expedia or travelocity. |
| 2002/9/20 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:25956 Activity:low |
9/19 I was wondering if any current student who's not planning to get this
year's football season ticket would help me get one. If so, please
email me at eyip. Thx. -Eric
\_ Post a flyer at the dorms. (I'm serious).
\_ buy a young alumni ticket you cheapskate |
| 2002/7/27-28 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:25433 Activity:moderate |
7/27 http://cryptome.org/freetotravel.htm EFF's John Gilmore challenges ID requirements. \_ John is a good guy, but I think he has waaaay to much time on his hands. \_ Actually, we need this kind of activism now more than ever. \_ There are other things he could spend his time on in the same general area that would be more useful. |
| 2002/7/9 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:25314 Activity:high |
7/9 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2002/07/09/airportjoke.DTL Be careful about Jokes said in airports and airplanes. \_ First Amendment RIP. \_ Wow. Really fucking stupid. How does that compromise the safety of the flight? Fucking idiots. of the flight? Fucking idiots. There's a big fucking difference between "hey, find the knife in my bag" and "Is the pilot sober"? |
| 2002/7/2-3 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:25266 Activity:high |
7/2 Anyone reading the Yahoo news on the plane crash in Germany? How come
tens of photos are about the wreckage of the Tupolev? Where's the
wreckage of the 757?
\_ Maybe cuz the 757 is a cargo plane and there weren't any children
on board and no one died 'cept for the crew? |
| 2002/4/29 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:24632 Activity:kinda low |
4/28 What do people use for getting cheap tickets online? I just tried
http://travelocity.com, http://cheaptickets.com, http://priceline.com, http://hotwire.com and they
all sucked.
\_ hotwire if you're flexible, orbitz if you're not. Also, a friend
just got a good deal directly with JetBlue. - rory
\_ not much destinations.
\_ unfortunately, a lot has to do with timing (ie, getting 'em
early). i once bought tix to hawaii that doubled in price only
two days later.
\_ Used travelocity and got great prices on everything. 5 weeks in
advance. Short term prices are *always* really high no matter how
you look for them. The sites don't suck, you planned poorly.
\_ Ebay. Search for Southwest Rapid Rewards, unless you're flying
elsewhere. |
| 2002/4/14 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:24437 Activity:high |
4/13 The Truth Is Out There:
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
Go go conspiracy theorists!
\_ Answers:
1: The pentagon isn't built from the same crap as Soda Hall.
2: It hit at a downwards angle and killed some grass and walkway.
3: The plane's structure is built to be light so it can fly. Melted.
4: Putting down pseudo paving for the heavy construction vehicles.
5: Mis-representation. Anyway, they sheared off, and followed in.
6: He didn't have the info or he's incompetent. Reader's choice.
7: The flaming gaping airplane sized hole.
And my own question to the silly French: If the plane didn't hit
the Pentagon then where did all those people go who we *know* were
on that plane? The French are so dumb. Too much bad wine. |
| 2002/4/5-6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:24337 Activity:high |
4/5 Where can I get a good deal on a whitewater rafting trip?
\_ Which river do you want to go on?
\- I have done a fair amount of research on the rivers and operators
withing 250 mi of SFBA. I think the costs are pretty competitive,
which means the rates are pretty comparable. The way to save is
1. go mid-week. Go last minute. Group discount. and in some cases
Go mid-week. Go last minute. Group discount. and in some cases
do the day trip rather than the with camping and food options.
A harder question is who are good oeprators ... i.e. who gives
you more bang for the buck. --partha "river right" banerjee
[oh rafting in the "3rd world" is hell of cheaper, especially
if you know how to travel and can get the Friend Prices rather
than the Whitey Price. If you want to go on a long ~10day trip
you can practically justify a plane ticket to nepal with the
price differential. You are also more likely to meet supermodels
while rafting there.]
\- oh by the way, there are some particularly expensive
operators like SOBEK where you are subsidizing a lot
of their own projects so unless you want to say "my guide
did the first decent of <insert some obscure tributary of
the Zambeizi>" I'd avoid them and other people with really
fancy brochures [OARS]. Cache Creek is cheap [$100].
If you are a hot chick you can come on my upcoming
"fast-descent" trip. --psb
\_ You are an imposter. Own up. --psb #243 fan
\_ what gives him away?
\- what? |
| 2002/3/16 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:24133 Activity:low |
3/15 Did anyone hear about this:
http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2002/02/20/bizzaro/index.html?x
Would you trust some guy in a "baseball cap" if he told you he was
an air marshall? I probably wouldn't.
\_ Is he bigger than me and armed? |
| 2002/2/13-14 [Recreation/Dating, Transportation/Airplane] UID:23858 Activity:very high |
2/13 "Jetliner Lust Attracts F-16s". AKA: Don't get busted having sex in
the airplane bathroom while coked up on a long flight.
http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-02-13/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-141259.asp
\_ bah! i doubt that if the two people involved are of the
opposite sex and american citizents they would do anything.
\_ So you think this is anti-british discrimination or anti-gay
discrimination? I think it's anti-stupid discrimination.
\_ i don't think it's any kind of discrimination. i just
want to know my chances of being sent to jail for
exale the crack smoke. -sky
screwing my wife in the bathroom on the plane, and
i asess thosw chances as being close to zero.
\_ sure but try going to the b/r 5 times together while
coked up during a high security alert.
\_ How did they smoke pot in the restroom and not set off the smoke
detector?
\_ Not pot. Crack.
\_ You stick your head in the toliet and flush everytime you
exale the crack smoke. -sky "i've been banned from
a major airline" |
| 2002/1/18-19 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:23600 Activity:high |
1/18 What's the point of matching checked-in luggages with passengers
boarded the airplane? We all know too well that the bin Laden folks
are suicidal.
\_ those damn suicidal hijackers/bombers just ruined it for us
non suicidal hijackers / bombers. now we can't do ANYTHING.
\_ And the real answer is: so they don't get bombs put on the plane
that don't have a matching (suicidal) passenger. The rest of
you: thank you for playing. You may go home with the consolation
prize now. You're now a tiny bit smarter and maybe less self
righteous and obnoxious about your know-nothingness.
\_ not self-righteous, but smug.
\_ That's a better word thanks. I was stuck for the right
phrase.
\_ You seem like the smug, obnoxious, moron to me. What makes
you think your answer is any more correct?
\_ probably because his answer is the correct one.
\_ you answered your own question.
\_ If you didn't, they'd be able to recruit more bombers.
\_ oh, like there's a point to the other useless security measures they
implemented? a lot of it is for show.
\_ winning the hearts and minds of morons. same as terrorism.
the terrorists know they can't blow up enough planes to make
plane travel any where near as dangerous as car travel, and
the gonvernment knows they can't really stop terrorism, but
since most people are fucking idiots, they can be swayed to
travel or not travel by stupid bombings or stupid security.
\_ Ha ha. Good point.
\_ Yeah, but I gotta suffer thru lines and wait and shit.
And am not allowed to bring my leatherman aboard which
will be needed when the terrorists find some way to sneak
aboard. |
| 2001/11/13-14 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:23031 Activity:high |
11/13 Where can I get aircraft/engine failure&|crash statistics?
\_ BTW, does anyone recall the crash in Sacramento a year or so ago?
What was the final result of the cause?
\_ Why aren't civilian airplanes equipment with ejectable
parachutes?
\_ What do you mean by "ejectable" parachutes?
\_ Probably because all parachutes require lots of training to
operate properly, whereas life jackets is much easier to use.
\_ Also, it won't help in accidents like explosions where you
die of low pressure and lack of oxygen after jumping if not
the explosion itself, or crash while landing in bad weather
where you don't have time to jump. Besides, how do you
jump/eject hundreds of passengers in a short time?
\_ was talking about this the other day at work. Someone
suggested a big chute for the plane itself. However, if
99.99999 with the additional money!
each seat is equiped with a self deploying chute it should
help.
\_ read an article about this a long time ago. if you are
talking about the big jet planes, the chute itself would
take up a huge amount of space. i dont remember how much
but it was on the order of like 1/3 or 1/2. something
impractical. maybe it might be more practical for
smaller planes.
\_ http://www.jetsafety.com Also, <DEAD>www.arisafetyonline.com<DEAD> and
http://planecrashinfo.com have some info.
\_ Air travel would be MUCH safer if it cost 10x more!
I bet the 99.9999 survival rate would be increased to
99.99991 with the additional money! Of course, if
society applied that same money to diabetes research,
we'd probably save 100x as many lives.
\_ Society can't apply money, only people apply money. You really
should stop thinking in hazy plurals.
\_ What about when government applies money?
\_ It's never 'the government.' It's always some particular
people in charge of something, and influenced by some
lobbying effort.
\_ Do you know what sophistry is?
\_ I find it helpful to point fingers at particular
people when my tax money is being spent badly.
Saying 'the government' did it helps certain parties
avoid responsibility. Do you know what ad hominem
is?
\_ What if that extra .00001% saved was *A CHILD*???? MY GOD, MAN,
WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??????? No amount of
money spent on air safety can possibly be enough, you heartless
CHILD-KILLER!!!!1!!!1!!
\_ Why don't you donate all your income to child-saving charities
then? You even get a tax break for doing so. |
| 2001/11/12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Transportation/Airplane] UID:23008 Activity:very high |
11/12 Okay, I didn't make this up. I've been seeing low level flying jets
(looks like those fighter jets) since this morning. What's going on?
\_ See the thread on NYC plane crash below.
\_ Amazing how you can spot possible military craft but entirely miss
270+ people dying in a crash. All over the news.
\_ I don't see how jets can prevent airplanes that are taking off
from crashing into dense city.
\_ They can't but they can prevent an airplane from flying from
NYC to DC and blowing up something. There's no one big cure-all
fix to life.
\_ There was a medium-sized bomber-type airplane flying around
Berkeley yesterday afternoon. It was flanked by two helicopter
gunships, and the bomber was dragging two refueler-type cables,
one from each wing, with a cone-shaped object at the end
\_ Article in sfgate:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/11/12/MN101955.DTL |
| 2001/10/22 [Reference/BayArea, Transportation/Airplane] UID:22800 Activity:nil |
10/22 Salon has a nice bio of Mark Bingham, the former Cal Rugby player
who probably had a hand in the counter-hijacking of United Flight 93.
He's become something of a hero in SF and they're talking about a
memorial for him in the Castro district.
http://salon.com/news/wire/2001/10/22/flight_93/index.html
\_ otoh, the chron has an opinion piece circulating a rumor that
the usaf shot down flight 93. god bless america.
\_ there was a second debris field, which isn't consistent with
the theory that passengers overpowered the hijackers and forced
the plane into the ground
\_ Maybe it went down like this: passengers stormed the
hijackers, who really DID have a bomb. Blammo. No
F16 required.
\_ If this were true, why would the govt want to cover this up? It
would've been good press for Bush that they acted fast.
\_ Because the concept would have sickened most Americans at
the time before the full depth of the day had sunk in.
\_ The Chron has actually gotten worse since the merger.
\_ No shit...bringing in mediocre examiner people
brought down even further this already mediocre
paper. And "shitty" doesn't even begin to explain
the new examiner. I'd rather "keep SF" a one
newspaper city.
\_ It costs 25 cents to keep me busy on BART all the way to
work and back. Hard to beat that. |
| 2001/9/22 [Politics/Domestic/911, Transportation/Airplane] UID:22586 Activity:moderate |
9/21 http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/gen.airlines.arabs.removed \_ Idiot Americans ask innocent people to leave airplanes because they are perceived to be Middle Easterners. Get a fucking clue, people. \_ As opposed to idiot Middle Easterners killing innocent people with airplanes because they are perceived to be Americans. \_ zing \_ sigh. of course you know, radical German terrorists or perhaps even militia members will have a field day (no one will be watching them). \_ radical German terrorists? who are they and what do they want? \_ didn't you see lebowski? they're nihilists! they want NOTHING! \_ hey man....nice ferret. \_ The Dude abides, man. The Dude abides. |
| 2001/9/13-14 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:22442 Activity:very high |
9/13 Has FAA ever considered putting parachuttes into airplanes, like
mandating lifeboats on cruise boats?
\_ My guess is that they are prohibitively expensive to be
implemented everywhere. Anyone know how much they cost?
\_ Put some in the upper floors of skyscrapers too.
\_ Seal the fucking cockpit. There is NO REASON for passengers
to be able to access the cockpit of a commercial aircraft.
\_ I was reading sometihng that said they CAN'T put a big
wall sepereating the cockpit of a plane for structural
reasons. Right now there is a locked door but it is
possible to break that door down if you are determined.
Any stronger and the plane would not be able to handle
stresses it needs to be able to be safe.
\_ I read that Israeli planes have a reenforced bulkhead
and an armored door along with weapons in the cockpit
and uniformed and plainclothes air mashals. We'll
probably get the same shortly.
\_ E1 A1 also has 2 air marshalls. That's why they're
one of the safest and expensive airlines.
\_ What good is an air marshall if the the hijackers
take him out first and then sieze his gun? It
seems like we would be in worse shape at that
point. And what if the air marshall get sick,
or goes wacko or hijacks the plane himself?
\_ I thought that they always picked random
seats for the marshall and they dress
them up in regular civillian clothing.
\_ you don't jsut sieze the gun of an isreali
special forces officer.
\_ What if the pilot and nav crew need to check the
avionics or the engine? Big problem if they are locked
in and the flight crew has been killed.
\_ What if they need to take a wiz during a 10hour flight?
\_ Add disposable bags to thier armored flight suits.
\_ Its not that easy to "bail out", most people would die trying
and get splattered all over someones front yard, very messy.
\_ airplanes are still one of the safest form of transportation.
\_ In terms of # accidents per travel, or # accidents per mile of
travel?
\_ both. airplane trips are general between larger distances,
so having the first implies that you'll have the second. |
| 2001/9/12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:36283 Activity:nil |
9/12 Microsoft releases Flight Simulator Value Pack for Flight Simulator
2002. New flight destinations include "World Trade Center (WTC)" and
"The Pentagon (PTG)".
"As the leader in this rapidly evolving industry, we need to constantly
stay ahead of our competitors." said Bill Gates, Chairman of Microsoft
Corp. "One of our strategies is to realize every opportunity out there
and make the most profit out of it, despite possible criticisms from
certain consumer groups." Sales are expected to reach thousands in
the first two days.
\_ The new destinations were developed based on research conducted at
the University of Kabul by Prof. Laden et. al. |
| 2001/9/12 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:22413 Activity:high |
9/12 Evidently there is no circumstances in which the first thought of
a politician isn't isn't "Shit what lies can i make up to keep me
from looking bad" ...
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010912/ts/attack_whitehouse_targets_dc_2.html
I assumed i was way too old and jaded to ever say this again, but,
i'm so disgusted.
\_ How can Air Force One be the target? It's a moving object and it's
a big sky up there for a commercial airliner of similar speed to
ram into it. And doesn't a 757 fly slower than a 747?
\_ AF1 was a target while it was sitting on the tarmac. The White
House and/or Camp David might have been a target.
\_ But Bush won't be in the plane when it's stiting on the
tarmac.
\_ There is a window of vulnerability of about 3 to 5
mins after the plane lands he is wisked away in the
limo.
\_ You punch in the coordinates and the computer does the rest.
Its not that hard.
\_ A 757 can be programmed to seek a moving target with changing
coordinates?
\_ You keep repeating this without understanding my point. The
WTC has known gps coordinates. If you give the autopilot
coordinates it will steer the aircraft toward the coordinates.
All the bastards had to do was to disengage the autopilot
a few seconds befor the collision. It takes some training
but its not that hard.
\_ AF1 WAS NOT A TARGET. that's the point. it's all B.S. made up
because Bush was getting criticized for not getting back to D.C.
fast enough to avoid criticism. -top
\_ The article states that af1 and the white house were targets.
Maybe AF1 wasn't a target, but I can believe that the white
house was. Its not made up bs. There are legitimate security
concerns where Secret Service can overrule what the pres.
wants to do.
ram into it. And doesn't a 747 fly faster than a 757? |
| 2001/9/12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:22412 Activity:high |
9/12 What's the point of banning plastic knives on airplanes? All a
terrorist need is a pen to kill someone on the plane. Or even a
waistbelt. Or he can even use bare hands if he knows some form of
martial arts.
\_ you've been reading too much shibumi
\_ there will be plenty of other "security measures" that will
make much less sense than banning plastic knives on planes.
get ready to spread butter on your rolls in a slightly
different manner.
\_ We should ban oxygen on planes so that potential terrorists can't
\_ We should ban oxygen on airplanes so potential terrorists can't
breathe. |
| 2001/9/12 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:22410 Activity:high |
9/12 How come nobody suspected North Korea for this attack?
\_ Commies are not faceless cowards.
\_ Didn't that Kim-something female agent from NK put a bomb in an
\_ Didn't that Kim-something female agent from NK put a bomb in a US
airline years ago?
\_ Where is she now? She was quite a HO7 AZN CH1C.
\_ http://www.koreascope.org/english/sub/2/nk10_5.htm
\_ Didn't that Kim-something female agent from NK put a bomb in a US
plane years ago?
\_ What does NK have to gain from doing this? They want American
food and supplies to help their famine at home. |
| 2001/9/12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:22407 Activity:high |
9/12 Is it that hard to learn flying 757s and 767s given that the planes
pretty much fly themselves? You can learn from the M$ Flight
Simulator, right?
\_ These bastards didn't need to know how to fly the planes. They
just needed to know how the steer them into a building. It doesn't
take much training to do that. M$ Flight Sim is probably enough.
\_ But they need to find their way to NYC and Washington before
they can see the targets visually. But then M$ Flight Sim
probably teaches that too.
they can see the targets visually.
\_ They sure did aim nicely, though. Right into the center of each
of the towers. Those things steer like drunken cows. -geordan
\_ Actually, I think the 2nd plane hit the corner of the tower.
Does it really matter? -eric
\_ You punch in the coordinates and the computer does the rest.
Its not that hard.
\_ The autopilot has coordinates for each of the World Trade
Center towers and can target them that accurately? The
things technology can accomplish these days. -geordan
\_ 1. it's easy to memorize numbers for a single coordinate
2. you just have to get close enough to see the damn thing
then they can crash into it easily.
\_ how good were the pilots?
http://slate.msn.com/code/explainer/explainer.asp?Show=9/11/2001&idMessage=8270 |
| 2001/9/11-12 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:22396 Activity:high |
9/11 How did terrorists get the airplanes to hit the WTC and Pentagon?
Why would pilots crash a plane into those buildings considering that
they probably knew that they were going to die anyways. Wouldn't it
be better to just try to crash the airplane in a place where the number
of casualties would be minimum? Or could it be that the terrorists had
their own pilots? Also, any ideas about how terrorists could have gotten
into the cockpit? Most airplanes these days should have armored
cockpit doors. You can't get in there if the door is closed without
blowing up the plane. Of course, the terrorists probably had all of
those details planned well in advance..
\_ man, just shut up.
\_ Alright, I'm no investigator but I think what may have happened was
that the hijacker(s) got into the cockpit by threatening one (or
more) of the flight attendants with anything from butter knife to
Swiss Army knife (which almost always pass security) to knock on
the cockpit door; dragged and killed the pilot & 1st officer and
piloted the plane himself. This is assuming that the jihad hijacker
has knowledge of flying a commercial aircraft. I guess we won't
know until the FAA release the cockpit-tower conversation during the
crisis. I'm just pissed off and mad at this whole thing. - jthoms
\_ It's NOT THAT HARD to pilot a stupid airliner for this.
You punch coordinates into the autopilot to get you close,
then tweak the controls a little for maximum impact at the end.
It's not like you need to go to pilot school.
\_ Perhaps, but it's not that hard to find a pilot in this
world, and it seems unlikely that people this organized
could be so poor that they wouldn't be able to afford training
of one sort or another.
world, and it seems unlikely that people that organized this
were so poor that wouldn't be able to afford training of
one sort or another.
\_ <DEAD>us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_pentagon_olson_dc_1.html<DEAD>
Read paragraph 4. - jthoms
\_ How the f**k did they get the pilot out of the cockpit? Or
let them take over the cockpit?
\_ "if you don't let me in the cockpit i cut out lisa's entrails!"
actually i imagine they killed someone first for effect.
\_ Still not a reason to let them in. Better they knife
50 people than kill 25K.
\_ I would assume that the hijackers killed the pilots. No sane
American pilot would have willingly steered a passenger jet into
the WTC or the Pentagon. News reports also stated that each of the
jets hijacked had similar controls, so most likely the hijackers
were trained to pilot the aircraft.
\_ Does this mean that flight sims will now be outlawed?
\_ Maybe they were holding the family of the pilot hostage.
Or they might have bribed him or something. I think that
they probably had guns, smuggled aboard by bribing a janitor
or baggage handler. Hey if it works for drugs in miami,
there is no reason it won't work for guns in nyc.
world, and it seems unlikely that people that organized this
were so poor that wouldn't be able to afford training of
one sort or another.
\_ <DEAD>us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_pentagon_olson_dc_1.html<DEAD>
Read paragraph 4. - jthoms |
| 2001/7/27 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:21970 Activity:kinda low |
7/26 Are people allowed to take home study or online traffic school in
Santa Clara county?
\_ given the drivers in the bay area, i thought all you needed to
do was show up to the DMV, and mutter "I'm INDIAN, lookee my
integra powered by curry!" in an Indian accent and *WHAM* you
get your drivers lic.
\_ that's BMW, not integra, riceboy. Oh yesh, BMW.
\_ for the license, yes, but i'm talking about the traffic ticket
bribery school
\_ for the license, yes, but i'm talking about the traffic
ticket bribery school
\_ Hurry hurry hurry, buy my rice and curry.
\_ Good rice, good curry, good Gandhi let's hurry.
\_ Who needs the Quick-E-Mart?!
\_ ask the court yourself. Or are you preparing to get a ticket?
\_ Yes. |
| 2001/7/24 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:21928 Activity:nil |
7/23 For those out of state, how do you travel to UCB? (by plane,
most likely). One way tickets? Round trip tickets? Do you
travel back during thanksgiving? What airlines?
\_ I ride yermom
\_ I usually fly round trip for short trips, one way if I have
no f**king idea when I'll be going back east. |
| 2001/7/19 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:21851 Activity:kinda low |
7/18 Cheapest tickets/most convenient/best service:
http://Cheaptickets.com? http://Expedia.com? Direct from Airline through
internet? Direct through airline through phone?
\_ I like http://hotwire.com... pretty good deals, similar model to
Priceline, but with much better customer service.
\_ Best prices are almost always through a travel agent. They buy
up fares in blocks that are often no longer available anywhere
else. I don't fly that often, but that last few times I have
flown cross-country my travel agent got me cheaper fares than
I could find over the Internet for the *exact same flights*. --dim
\_ I'm going coast to coast round trip for under 200 dollars,
and i got my tickets online at travllocity. i have had
only bad experiences with travel agents, and i hardliy think
they could match that kind of deal. |
| 2001/6/29 [Transportation/Airplane, Computer, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:21679 Activity:high |
6/29 Whee, death! Everyone loves obituaries. Who's dead today? For the latest
celebrity deaths try <DEAD>www.youreouttahere.com!<DEAD> Where are those bodies?
Skip on over to <DEAD>www.findagrave.com!<DEAD> Ain't progress grand? You can even
create a virtual grave and leave virtual flowers at it! Ever wonder
which mathematicians died on this date? This place has your ticket:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Day_files/Now.html
Or skip on over to DeathNET, for all things death, try the hiband site!
http://www.rights.org/deathnet
Or skip on over to http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/obit and search
for obituaries in your favorite state! And check out all these deaders:
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/obituaries
Them's fine reading folks, mini biographies delivered fresh every day!
\_ Bob, is that you?
\_ Nope, it's me. Damn I better start accomplishing something so
that when I appear in there they have something good as the tag
line. One of those guys had "Transportation Official" as his
tagline. God that sucks. The man's life was summed up as
"Transportation Official". Me, I'm not married so no "loving
husband/father" shit. No famous works, no businesses founded.
I'm useless. I should think up something for them to say and
put it in my will. |
| 2001/6/5 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:21425 Activity:very high |
6/4 Anybody have a credit card that promises airline miles from any
airline? Do they really hold up? I'm thinking of getting one. There
are a lot that are tied to one airline. I'm wondering if those that
say they'll get your miles from any airline really work. Thanks.
\_ I don't think so.
\_ What do you mean "miles from any airline" Points racked up
on the credit card can be converted to airline miles not the
other way around. Diners and AmEx are two cards that allows
you to convert the accrued points to any airline frequent
flyer programs. They also allow you to buy stuff for the points
Most Visa and MC cards are only hooked up with one airline
frequent flyer program. Diners Club only works for hotels,
airfares, car rentals, and some restaurant. Otherwise not
generally accepted. AmEx pretty good, but usually charges
a yearly fee to generate the points.
\_ I am using Quicken Platinum Visa (which is actually by
Travelers/Citbank) card. Spend $8000 and you get a $100
certificate. 4 $100 certificates and you get a US flight.
You have to buy tickets through their Travel Center, which
I found to be friendly and reasonably cheap. I just used
3 certificates for an upcoming trip (SF <-> Chicago) ticket
for $367 (paying the $67 difference). The price is slightly
cheaper than what I see on the United Airlines website ($397).
You can fly any airlines, and also you still get your
frequent flyer miles. The annual fee is $39. I average
about $15000-$20000 on the credit card. I try to charge
everything on it. That comes out to about $200 for the price
of $39. Certificates expires in 2 years. It's not the
main reason I got the card. Main reason is I use Quicken
and like to download my credit card transactions to it. |
| 2001/5/14-15 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:21272 Activity:high |
5/14 Timothy J. McVeigh, 2001.
\_ Shut The Fuck Up!
\_ Is that stronger than just "Shut the fuck up."?
\_ Uhm, dumbass? He's not dead yet.
\_ 2001 isn't over yet either.
\_ yermom, 2001. And your lameass point is?
\_ He won't be dead anytime this year unless he falls on a spoon in
prison or hangs himself or something. No zap this year for Timmy.
Maybe they have electricity supply problems also and this was a
form of conservation? Or was this going to be by injection?
\_ tie his ass to a bomb, if he can get out in 2 seconds he lives
\_ are you retarded? did yermom drop you on your head as a baby one
too many times? *sheesh* That's the dumbest thing I've
heard all day.
\_ And thus another martyr was born.
\_ Nah, that's too saddistic. I'd say the most humane way of
executing mass murders like him is to drop him from a flying
airplane, somewhere at the the altitude of 3000m.
\_ that's too fun. if i had to pick a death, i might pick that.
\_ The fun part is if you somehow survive. Then they
scrape you off the ground, fly your ass back up, and
drop it again. |
| 2001/2/1-2 [Transportation/Airplane, Computer/SW/Security] UID:20496 Activity:nil |
2/1 Tomorrow's Groundhog day!
\_ http://www.intellicast.com says it's going to be cloudy in Oakland
tomorrow. So spring arrives soon? |
| 2001/2/1-2 [Recreation/Media, Health, Transportation/Airplane] UID:20489 Activity:high |
1/31 All stop, Mr. Sulu!
-- The former Capt. Kirk and http://Priceline.com pitchman, who appeared
with Sandra Bullock in "Miss Congeniality," is set to emcee the
Miss USA Pageant on March 2.
\_ You forgot "former TV cop, TJ Hooker" as well. Who could forget
all those car chase scenes where he ended up on the hood of the
bad guy car in episode after episode?
\_ I loved the scene in Charlie's Angels where they showed
"T.J. Hooker The Movie" as the in-flight movie.
\_ ...and "former TV doctor, Trapper John, M.D.". But Captain
Kirk should never really be mistaken for a cop or a doctor
(DAMNIT JIM!) because he only played them on TV, and after all,
he's the pageantry of congeniality... as is clear from such
great episodes as "The Doomsday Orgiastic Nazi Parade", "The
Dribble with Nipples" and "Blue She-malien Bounty"... but you
fuckin losers are far too hoity-toity to acknowledge such
greatness lest you be exposed as the ashamed extra-human-virgins
that you are incapable of even terrestrial attempts in the
form of, say, lizardlove or owlorgy or gynogerbillingus.
- (fucker)
\_ What is gynogerbillingus?
\_ cunnilingus on a gerbil. pretty trivial. fucker u
fail to impress me.
\_ Yeah, I've got say, -(fucker)'s wannabe "rants" are
pretty annoying. But of course, this being the motd,
there's little hope he'll shut up. *sigh* |
| 2001/1/30-2/1 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:20473 Activity:very high |
1/30 If you're looking for a vacation on train, I'd recommend Amtrak's
Coast Starlight. http://www.AmtrakWest.com/coaststarlight
I took the Oakland -> Seattle segment and it was great! The train
goes through snow-covered forests. It was really romantic.
\_ Romantic until it hits some deer or another train or truck or...
\_ That IS romantic!
\_ love is fostered under intense situations
\_ From "Speed"?
\_ Get a room. Actually, get a sleeper. Bring cigarettes, alcohol,
and cards and hang out with the smokers after it gets too dark
to see outside. I do recommend this trip for those who like
trains. And not just in a "Risky Business" sorta way.
\_ Why would I vacation on Amtrak? Ew, yuck, bleah! Might as well
go on greyhound....
\_ train travel is a lot more pleasant than airplane
travel. -tom
\_ Not in this country.
\_ Absolutely in this country. It's very slow but
there's no comparison in terms of comfort or
stress. -tom
\_ Maybe we rode a different Amtrak or have different
ideas of comfort. I'm happy to leave it at that.
\_ You are talking to Tom, he's a RIDE BIKE, LINUX
SAVE THE WHALES/PLANET type dude. Amish hay
rides are 1st Class for him.
\_ I took a train from NYC to Boston (and back), and it
was a LOT more pleasant than flying. It was cheaper,
more comfortable, and had none of that airport stress.
Plus, there were power outlets next to the seats, so
I could plug my notebook in. Connecticut scenery was
decent too. -- !tom
\_ I took the train from NYC to Boston a few times
in the summer. It was cheaper and more
comfortable than flying, but it took a LOT longer.
If I could have gotten a $100 round trip ticket
like I can between LA and SF, I would. -emin
\_ true, but the time saved by flying is a bit less
if you account for the time you waste getting
to the airport early, getting through airport
traffic, etc.
\_ Seriously, Amtrak sucks. I was hoping to save some dough going
going down to LA by train. After a half-hour with their
website, I had an itinerary that was 11 hours+ each way and
cost $50 more than a Southwest ticket.
\_ HELLO!!! We're in the fast paced information age where the
destination is more important than the journey. I don't care
about a stupid train experience, I just want instant gratification
and that means getting to a place quickly and cheaply. DUMB ASS.
\_ welcome back kchang!! we missed you!
\_ and hello to you, nick tom lila psb immigrant |
| 2001/1/8-9 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:20268 Activity:high |
1/8 Question: Why do airline pilots make ~$300k? This seems signifcantly
larger than a silicon valley engineer.
\_ new pilots make ~30-40K in their first 2-3 years living as poor
CFIs. Then they fly for commuter airlines, most likely multi-twin
turboprops for another 5-6 years w/ only 50-60K. It takes about
10 more years before they make 100K, and another 10 years before
they see that 300K. They get 1-2 million for their retirement but
that's another story.
\_ because their training takes at least 100K and several years
to get them certified. You can't just walk in off the street and
fly multimillion dollar jumbo jets. -ERic
\_ You can't? God damn it! Now I need a new plan.
\_ the only pilots making anywhere close to that much are aircraft
commanders (aka captains) flying the flagship aircraft.. the big
ones and the new ones. it takes many years and tons of flight
time to qualify for those.. during which you usually get paid shit
and peanuts. -shac
\_ Because they also work 12-16 hour days, have fairly unpredictable
work schedules, rarely get to go home, and unlike engineers,
are responsible for the lives of about 300+ people, and require
years of training. Remember, commute airline pilots don't make
anywhere near that, rather the 747 ones do. -John
\_ Many engineers are responsible for lives of millions
through the product they create. Many software
engineers, too. Just not the dotcommies. And the ones
that _are_ are generally paid much less than your
average Si valley dotcommunist.
\_ Yeah but you're not driving an E10k for 16
hours straight staring at a bajillion blinkenlights
and if you fuck it up all the life support machines
in town blow up. -John
\_ How about flying a plutonium-filled spacecraft
on approach to Earth? Is that enough
responsibility? Airline pilots are glorified
bus drivers. --dim
\_ Okay I will drive the bus, and you drive
the fully fueled 747. If you get there in
They have a skill you can't get from a XYZ For Dummies book.
the same number of pieces as I do, I'll
\_ not making $300K? speak for yourself.
buy you dinner. Been watching "Airplane"
again? -John
\_ So clearly astronauts should be making
a lot more than they do? --dim
\_ I heard that in the near future all military
planes would be unmanned.
\_ The wars of tomorrow will be fought by
robots. And so your mission is clear -
to build and maintain those robots.
\_ I fucking hate when people put their shit in the
middle of someone else's comments. Don't fucking
interrupt! FUCK! That pisses me off. And no,
engineers are not making split second decisions
that can wipe out a few hundred people in an eye
blink. They engineer shit which hopefully goes
through a lot of testing and verifying and rebuilding
numerous times before being inflicted on the public.
Don't try to compare your Lockheed Martin missile
building project with flying a 747 over populated
areas. The pilot gets paid those bucks because
he's worth it. You're not. Don't delude yourself.
\_ A crashing plane != a crashing NT server
\_ My plane's onboard avionics runs on NT Server.
Should I be worried?
\_ no you should be looking for a parachute and
the emergency exit.
\_ Or a different plane in another city.
\_ And 747 pilots aren't a dime-a-dozen like c++ and java coders.
They have a skill you can't get from an XYZ For Dummies book.
\_ Although Lufthansa desperately seeks to prove otherwise. -John
\_ What does Lufthansa do?
\_ Feed you worse-than-usual slop, drink before flying
(mine did), save more money than usual by recirculating
air, try to loop 747s, bomb Poland, etc. -John
\_ What's wrong with bombing Poland?
\_ Use pilots that got to chapter 6 or higher in Flying 747s
For Dummies. |
| 2000/12/25-26 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:20169 Activity:nil |
12/23 Southwest Airlines screwed me over by drastically overbooking a
flight so I'm tring to screw them back a little. Don't fly
Southwest. If you do get denied boarding because a flight is
overbooked know this. Denied boarding is actually illegal. Most
\_ Grammar that bad should be illegal,
but being denied boarding isn't illegal.
passengers don't know this so they readilly accept whatever
compensation they give you. Once you accept it you've signed
away all your legal rights against the airline. Milk them for
all they're worth. They knowingly do something illegal. You
shouldn't let them get away with it.
-fucked passenger.
\_ http://www.dot.gov/airconsumer/flyrights.htm#overbooking
\_ Get a life. All airlines do this. Switch airlines, and your
next carrier will pull the same over you. |
| 2000/11/1-2 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:19620 Activity:very high |
10/30 Singapore Air pilots taking off in a storm, weather deteriorating,
with winds gusting to 65 knots. What the hell were they thinking?
\_ "We can do it! I know we can! I know we can! I know we can!"
\_ That's generally only the attitude of China Airline pilots, not
Singapore Airlines ones (nor pilots of other Taiwan airlines).
Singapore Airlines ones (nor pilots of other Taiwanese airlines).
\_ Wasn't there a Taiwan airliner went belly-up one or two
years ago in Hong Kong airport while lifting up or
landing...
\_ Yeah. It was during landing. That one was due to the
sheer wind in the typhoon. It crashed belly-up and lost
one whole wing and caught fire. Only three out of more
than 300 passengers died though. 8/22/99
\_ A China Airlines flight bound for SFO that was to
depart an half hour before aborted and
returned to the gate.
\_ They ran into something. I think it's a wheel.
\_ If it hit a wheel on the ground, how come it didn't crash right
away, but crashed down to the ground after lifting off?
\_ Back wheel.
\_ Quote: The captain, C.K. Foong, is a Malaysian with lengthy
experience. He told investigators that he "saw an
unlike Chiang Kai-shek INternational Airport"
object on the runway and he tried to take off to
avoid the object, and he hit the object,"
\_ urlP
\_ http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/01/world/01CND-CRASH.html
\_ "The world's best airline, and one of the safest.
Until yesterday, Singapore Airlines had never had a fatality -
unlike Chiang Kai-shek International Airport"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Asia_China/2000-11/jumbotwo011100.shtml
\_ Clarification- They've had fatalities from hijacking,
but never from a crash.
\_ That's if you don't count their subsidiary SilkAir airlines,
one of whose planes crashed into a muddy Indonesian river.
Some believed it was a successful suicide/murder by the
pilot. That said, I am quite impressed by survivors'
accounts of how the SIA crew (Singapore Girls (tm)?)
remained calm and directed the passengers out of the
flaming wrecked with flashlights in yesterday's disaster.
\_ they're all ex-Mossad
\_ I guess all that tough training paid off.
\_ I am always impressed by the SIA girls. They are sooo
nice. Anyone on soda join the mile-high club with a
SIA chick?
\_ actually yes. it ended up being a pretty embarrasing
episode.
\_ do tell. The SIA girls look like they would
be quite imaginative and limber...
\_ So do they wear undergarments? Those outfits
seem to preclude the possibility.
\_ What? If you join its mileage club you get to date
one of the girls??? Can't wait to check it out when
the SIA web site is up again.
\_ Only if you fly first class. |
| 2000/10/2-3 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:19393 Activity:high |
10/02 What is a fly boy, or a fly girl?
\_ Flyboy: Pilot in America's Armed Forces, ca. 1944.
Fly girl: "In Living Color" dancer, or hot streetwise cutie.
Fly guy: (archaic) Hip-hop/R&B-style non-scrub man.
Fly: dope, fresh, cool, ca. 1980-1993.
Fly: dope, fresh, cool, ca. 1975-1993.
\_Fly: (constant) zipper that opens up to the crotch in a pair of
pants.
SuperFly: super + (dope, fresh, cool)
McFly: Loser/Winner (depending on your time traveling abilities)
\_ Spanish Fly: Herbal supplement causing genital itching
(Apparently the spanish think different things are dope.)
"Aiko Aiko ainess. My fly boy gonna set your fly boy on fire." |
| 2000/9/28 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:19359 Activity:nil |
9/29 FuzzyBuddy: is it true they have this jet flying around Swiss
airspace with the MickeyD's label painted all over it -
serving McD's at 10,000 meters? Holy Fondue. -mtbb
\_ Yup! And a McDonalds train car too, where they serve big macs
to commuters. And a cheese train and a phantom of the opera
plane too! "fire!" -John |
| 2000/9/26-28 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:19329 Activity:high |
9/25 I haven't traveled much in the US. Which is a better airline ? SW ?
Delta? American?
\_ Alaska Airlines.
\_ used to be good. But remember those maintainance (sic)
problems they had with the airplanes?
\_ What's the point in living if you can't feel alive?
\_ What is life without GLORY?? The GLORY of
coming crashing down to earth in a flaming
airliner, dying heroically in a ball of fire
for no particular reason?
\_ depends where you want to go. Each airline has a different hub.
\_ SW is good and affordable, but if you want to go across the
coast, you'll have to stop many times. They only use
737s, and they have no direct flights from coast to coast.
\_ aside from SW, United and American are generally solid
choices. You may get better deals from other smaller,
lesser known airlines.
\_ If you're going for the cheaper flights, everyone will have at
least one stop. SW is in the same price range (sometimes
cheaper, sometimes not) as everyone else, and generally has
one-stop x-country flights.
\_ Continental is well regarded by passengers and is also considered
a good airline for which to work as well (happy employees). UAL
has fallen a lot lately in customer satisfaction (and that was
before the airline/pilot contract negotiations) and their
employees are not nearly as happy with the airline, especially
the attendants. Happy employees make for a somewhat less
annoying flight. The Continental mileage program is somewhat
nicer than the UAL one.
\_ And they'll stick you on the runway without telling you why.
For six hours. Like me.
\_ Alaska Airlines.
\_ used to be good. But remember those maintainance (sic)
problems they had with the airplanes?
\_ What's the point in living if you can't feel alive?
\_ What is life without GLORY?? The GLORY of
coming crashing down to earth in a flaming
airliner, dying heroically in a ball of fire
for no particular reason?
\_ Watch TWINE and you'll understand. |
| 2000/9/11-12 [Transportation/Airplane, Recreation/Travel] UID:19225 Activity:nil |
9/10 How does http://Priceline.com gasoline work? I tried their stupid airline shit and it totally pisses me off \_ you pick from a list of participating gas stations in your area; you pick from a list of discounted prices (or name your own); you agree to prepay for 10-50 gallons (good for 90 days); Priceline either matches your price with the station, or if your offer is too low, it will direct you to a more discounted station or sign up with a sponsor to get a better offer. you can only make one gasoline bid every 24 hours. \_ http://www.angelfire.com/nt/priceline |
| 2000/7/17-18 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:18698 Activity:high |
7/17 Why don't they just make airplanes big enough to carry-on big
luggage instead of dealing with this check-in crap? Why must they
separate the luggage compartment and the passenger compartment?
\_ It would cost much more. The luggage compartment is not pressurized
or heated (which is why shipping animals as luggage borders on
torture and so many animals die on planes).
\_ you do know they have one heated pressurized compartment
for things like animals don't you? Or are you just, like
most people in this world, a colossal idiot who spouts off
about shit they know nothing about?
\_ http://www.aspca.org/body_learn/body_press.asp?file=/learn/upl/PressReleases/June_airline.htm
\_ and the aspca, of course, is an excellent source of
unbiased and informed opinions on the subject
\_ if you had actually read that article rather than just
reacting to the tone you would have noticed that the
examples they gave involved pets being put in the wrong
splat in its kenal.
compartment. If there were no pressurized compartments
EVERY pet that got shipped would come back a bloody
splat in its kennel.
\_ If this is a concern, you can carry-on a small pet as
long as the the cage is small enough to be considered
cabin luggage. You'll have to make a request at
reservations time tho.
\_ Answer this first: Why don't they just make airplanes seats big
enough so i can stretch my legs and not have to roll over the lap
of the female-passenger next to me just to get to the aisle?
\_ Answer this first: Do you roll over her facing with your
front or with your ass?
\_ so how's that working out for you? --aaron
\_ better than asian chic -aaron #1 fan
\_ Fly first class and you have plenty of room. |
| 2000/7/13-14 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:18665 Activity:nil |
7/14 Anyone want to fly from Oakland to LA and back this weekend? I
bought a ticket on http://priceline.com but something came up and those
bastards wont let me change it. mail me for details. -rory
\_ how will you transfer? They are strict about those. |
| 2000/6/8 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:18430 Activity:nil |
6/6 Is there a good chance I'd end up w/ Alaska Airlines if I used
http://Priceline.com?
\_ Don't bother with Priceline. THe airlines own webites tend to be
very good, especially Southwest's. Priceline you either end up
with no ticket or an overpriced ticket.
\_ Age of Aquarius
\_ Convoy!
\_ http://Cheaptickets.com is the way to go. You can even chose your airline. |
| 2000/5/17-18 [Transportation/Airplane, Recreation/Travel] UID:18287 Activity:nil |
5/17 Any http://priceline.com advice? How much should I underbid? When do prices fall (how long before the flight?)? \_ I've had no luck, always got better deals just massaging sabre directly. \_ Priceline is a joke. If you underbid, you get nothing. If you overbid, you pay too much for a flight that may leave at a crappy time without you knowing in advance. Just go to cheaptickets. \_ For a full vaction, try a travel agent. Even with her fees, she saved us 10% over what we found on the net with better flights. |
| 2000/4/23-24 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:18087 Activity:high |
4/22 Do they allow laptops on airplanes? can I use one when it is in
the air?
\_ yes, but they have this ridiculous rule about not allowing
them to be used in takeoff or landing. they also have a
stupid rule not allowing radio recievers during flight since
they might "disrupt" radio communications and cause a plane
to fall out of the sky. obviously the faa doesn't know the
first thing about electrical engineering. either that or
they're just assuming that most flight attendants are too
stupid to distinguish between an fm radio and a bomb
\_ this stupid rule of theirs has always pissed me off
\_ Yeah, not crashing the plane or delaying take off
because every fucking idiot insists that *his* 2-way radio
is airplane safe is really stupid. Grow up.
\_ Yes. Why dont you call your airline and ask to make sure?
\_ Yes they do, but they ask you not to use CD/DVD drives. -John |
| 2000/2/13 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:17500 Activity:nil |
2.11 Name my band: We don't like our current name, "The Flying Jesuses"
somebody suggest something.
\_ RIDE BIKE!
\_ The Trevor Buckinghams
\_ The Flying Jesi.
\_ Kchang and the Asian Chics
\_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD!s
\_ The motds
\_ RDRAM 1000s
\_ if you were ever willing to have a name like that your band must be
so ass it isn't worth a waste of a good name.
\_ Hey, that's a pretty good one.
\_ judge for yourself. ~paolo/public_html/superman.mp3
and come to the show on lower sproul Mar 3rd, 12 noon. |
| 2000/2/6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:17443 Activity:nil |
2/5 Anyone have cheap Alaska Airlines tickets they won't be using? |
| 2000/2/1 [Transportation/Airplane, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:17393 Activity:insanely high |
2/1 Gee, how many planes have crashed in the past 12 months? Seems like
it has happened much more frequently than before.
\_ No more so than usual and still far less than linux boxes crash
going by the numbers. I'd rather fly than use linux.
\_ Oh, this is utter bullshit. In last two years only two Linux
boxes crashed on me and it was because of either hardware
problems or power failures (fucking up my disks).
linux than to a 737.
\_ Oh yeah, Linux is really known for crashing. If someone asked
me what OS I thought of when I heard the word "crash" then Linux
\_ Let's see, recent major US plane crashes:
\_ i've been using linux for 2 years and the most that has
2000: Alaska Airlines, off coast of LA
1999: EgyptAir, off coast of Mass.
linux than to a 737 (actually, i don't trust my life to either
1996: TWA, off coast of NY
\_ So you'd fly with Linux Airlines and die only once per two
Yeah, I see the trend, really....
\_ what about JFK and those small airplanes?
\_ There is a trend there - don't fly overseas - stay
in the states and you'll be safer.
\_ Do missile attacks really count?
\_ http://www.PlaneCrashInfo.com for the full list
\_ I was keeping a list of VMS crashes across the
\_ I was keeping a list of Ultrix crashes across the
U.S. but ran out of disk space so I dropped the
consumer level OS such as linux or windows to not crash.
security breaches due to bugs or misconfiguration
your linux lifespan would be a few months. Fly the friendly
and then compressed the rest. Looking for disk
webmaster@http://www.VMS.com to donate disks,
donations to continue the project. Please contact
\_ No more so than usual and still far less than VMS boxes crash
going by the numbers. I'd rather fly than use VMS.
\_ Oh yeah, VMS is really known for crashing. If someone asked
me what OS I thought of when I heard the word "crash" then VMS
webmaster@<DEAD>www.Ultrixcrashinfo.com<DEAD> to donate disks,
\_ VMS fanatics are so cute when they're defending their
money, or time! Thanks!
\_ No more so than usual and still far less than Ultrix boxes crash
going by the numbers. I'd rather fly than use Ultrix.
\_ I can see airlines using VMS. "Oh, we found a defect, but
\_ Oh yeah, Ultrix is really known for crashing. If someone asked
me what OS I thought of when I heard the word "crash" then Ultrix
\_ i've been using VMS for 2 years and the most that has
would be it. Not some OS from Redmond.
\_ Ultrix fanatics are so cute when they're defending their
VMS than to a 737 (actually, i don't trust my life to either
cute little OS. I really like the "everything looks like
\_ VMS users have over a 99% chance of experiencing
a nail" mentality.
\_ The hoary "cute... immature" insult is your hammer.
\_ I can see airlines using Ultrix. "Oh, we found a defect, but
we patched it almost immediately (go Open Source)!. So just
\_ So you'd fly with VMS Airlines and die only once per two
ignore that one crash that killed 500."
\_ i've been using Ultrix for 2 years and the most that has
happened is one kernel panic. that in contrast to 2 crashes
per day when i was using windows. i'd trust my life more to
Ultrix than to a 737 (actually, i don't trust my life to either
but what can you do).
\_ Ultrix users have over a 99% chance of experiencing
a kernel crash at some point. 737 users have less
than a one in many million chance of experiencing a
consumer level OS such as VMS or windows to not crash.
plane crash. You sir are either suicidal or an
your VMS lifespan would be a few months. Fly the friendly
idiot.
\_ So you'd fly with Ultrix Airlines and die only once per two
years when you have that rare kernel panic? This is a funny
analogy and statement to make since there's that famous
(in the industry) speech by the airline guy that compares
flight time safety vs. computer uptimes given at a computer
convention. The airline guy properly shamed the computer
execs in attendence. You've been in computers for, what,
like 2 years at most? Don't be silly. If my life depended
on it, I'd trust the airlines to keep me alive and flying
every single day forever before I trusted any shrink wrap
consumer level OS such as Ultrix or windows to not crash.
Your windows life span would be a few weeks at most and
your Ultrix lifespan would be a few months. Fly the friendly
skies, it's a whole lot safer.
\_ If a plane you were flying in were controlled by an OS,
what OS would it be?
\_ vxWorks
\_ The Mars Pathfinder ran VxWorks, but did the two
other vehicles that were lost recently also run
VxWorks?
\_ VxWorks crashed on the Pathfinder! They
had to upload an OS patch to the surface
of Mars! -tom
\_ A mainframe that'd been handling air traffic control
for year after year without failure and hard wired
components in the air. That you would think an
airplane uses or needs an OS says a lot about how
little you understand about computers, embedded
systems, air planes, air traffic control and just
about anything else related to this thread.
\_ hey, its all hypothetical. Its not supposed
to match reality. Its like:
If you were a peanut, where would you like
to vacation?
The main idea in the question is:
If your life depended on it, what OS would
you use?
\_ Nothing you could buy in a store or download
from the net. I'd be dead within a matter
of weeks, or a few months at best. "Sir,
it is my sad duty to report to you that the
results of your medical tests have come back
positive... you are suffering from 'consumer
level OS syndrome'!" Put me on a mainframe.
The kind with multiple level of redundant
backup systems for everything in there so
when the nukes hit I can keep on ticking
and still have the power to count how many
people died per time unit in the blast.
\_ tell that to the people trying to use BFS
today. -tom
\_ RIDE BIKE! FLY LINUX! |
| 1999/11/4-5 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:16829 Activity:high |
11/3 How do AF pilots know whether to deploy chaff or flair? Wouldn't
they need to know whether they are being aimed by heat seeking
missile or radar guided missile?
\_ It's a Hollywood thing. Ask your flight combat instructor or
script writer for details.
\_ same way a police radar detector knows when a police radar
gun is painting the car. usually, if it's coming from
another plane it's heat seeking. even the u.s. rarely uses
radar guided missles from planes. low altitude surface to
air missles are usually heat seeking too and high altitude
ones are a combo of both.
\_ that's not quite correct. it's about range. a heat seeking
missile can only be fired at a closer range. the reason why
the U.S. rarely uses radar-guided is because at BVR, you can't
be too sure of the target due to ROE, even with an AWACs.
there radars can discern between radar and heating seeking
same reason why the Phoenix has never been used in combat.
\_ They do know. Didn't you see Top Gun?
deploy chaff or flairs.
\_ "their", "flare"
\_ it is all about bellbottoms
\_ What are BVR, ROE and AWAC?
\_ Inaccurate? You mean pilots don't have tacky colored
helmets and sleep with their hot flight instructors?
\-dont ask dont tell --psb
Beyond Visual Range, Rules Of Engagement, Airbone Warning
And Control (plane).
\_ Top Gun was horribly inaccurate movie. Pilots know because
their radars can discern between radar and heating seeking
\_ I think you're screwed if it's heat-seeking with no radar
required.
\_ radar guided missiles emit strong radar signatures while heat
sinking missiles don't. If the aircraft is equipped with that
super high-tech radar stuff, a heat seaker looks like a really
small fast metal thing coming right at you while a radar guided
missile looks like a really small fast metal thing coming right
at you and emitting its own radar signals making it a really,
really bright small fast metal thing. Additionally, it amazes
me how any of you got into cal. With any small amount of
\_ yeah and as if your answer shows that you know what you are
talking about.
thought, a question like this is absolutely trivial but to
assume berkeley fuckers will think for themselves has proven
time and time again to be a fruitless waste of time. I have
decided to take advantage of this lazy intellect by feeding the
thoughts of other to one day convince you all I am your messiah
at which point I would train you all to follow the exhalted
and transcendental path of the lemming. - (fucker)
and notify their pilots of this through unique squeek sounds
heard in their headset. Also some systems can be set to auto
deploy chaff or flares |
| 1999/7/6 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:16082 Activity:very high |
7/6 Do you guys know how Jon Denver died?
\_ plane crash
\_ Which one? Delta? Southwest?
\_ more specifically, he was an amateur pilot. he fucked up and
crashed his one-seater.
\_ Wasn't he flying an experimental aircraft as well?
\_ Yes he was, it was obviously a conspiracy. |
| 1999/6/29-30 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:16034 Activity:insanely high |
6/28 I want to join the USAF. I am only 26 years old. However, to
\_ There's your real problem right there.
be eligible to be a pilot, I need to finish the cadet training
before I am 27.5. Why 27.5? Isn't it usually better to be older
(and more experienced) than some inexperienced young guy?
\_ You also have to have 20/20 vision in both eyes (which I guess
you probably don't, by virtue of the fact that you
\_ I'm 29. Does it happen like magic when I hit 30?
\_ Yes. Ask your girl/boyfriend.
use the CSUA). A friend of mine is on a USAF military
scholarship in medical school, and when she got
her eyes checked, one eye was 25/20, and the other
\_ You'll be laughed out of court since there's a valid
medical reason.
\_ Medical reason being I'm not in my sexual prime anymore.
was 20/20, and she wasn't eligible, not that it
mattered, since she's going to be a doc and not a pilot
anyway. --pcjr
\-it might be economics ... they feel it isnt worth investing the
big$ in someone who will be a pilot for less than N years...and the
age you start is a predictor of how long you will be a AF pilot. --psb
\_ Considering all flying is done by computer, why do
you even have to have eyes to fly anymore?
\_ Actually, very little of the avionics is controlled
by computers at all. Many are fly by wire which means
that humans still have complete control. On planes
that look completely outragous (like man of the stealth
planes in the US arsenal) the planes would simply fall
out of the sky if there weren't any computer assistance.
\_ According to http://careers.airforce.com, it must be no worse
\_ because when you hit 30, you become slow and stupid and you are
not as physically buff as before
than 20/50 correctable to 20/20 with eyeglasses.
\_ the navy required 20/20 to enter flight training around '90
but would allow some correctives for operational pilots.
\_ How does it help to be "more experienced" in anything other than
flying a plane? sheesh... this isn't a programming position...
\_ so sue the USAF for age discrimination. Good luck on the suit.
\_ The govt. doesn't want to waste money training pilots who will
be too old to fly in a couple of years.
\_ Wait, isn't this age discrimination? |
| 1999/6/15-17 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:15960 Activity:nil |
6/14 Which game is better, Microsoft's Flight Simulator 98 or
Sierra's Pro Pilot?
\_ and what about Flight Unlimited II?
\_ Well I have FS98, and I wouldn't call it a game. Its a flight sim,
pretty much all you do is fly around. -ERic |
| 1999/5/10-12 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:15783 Activity:moderate |
5/10 Does anyone know the National average salary of an airplane
pilot? What about aviation related jobs? Thanks
\_ $115K/year (assuming you meant for all commercial pilots, wish
I could give you a break-down by exp / specific field)
\_ My NT sysadmin makes more than that!
\_ then you have an idiot for a hiring manager
\_ Do they really make that much? It cost me mucho to get a
Berkeley education, yet, if I go to a flying school for
$6000 for a license and aeronautic degree, I can already
get paid $115K?
\_ You'll need to join the air force, be good enough to get a
a fighter plane, and then bomb smaller countries before you
can earn 115k with the airlines. -jor
\_ Sodan needs clue, badly.
\_ <DEAD>208.217.189.50/internet/worth.htm<DEAD>
gawd i hope there's not a sysadmin equivalent of this page
\_ Wow, that's one of the most impressive pages I've ever
seen. --jnat
\_ Wow, that's one of the most on-target (oi, bad pun) pages
I've ever seen, particularly given that the alternative
transportation movement is in the middle of a similar
false reporting about the costs of providing facilities,
by the media and the special interests that control the
media. --jnat
\_ good page,except there's no such thing as
a"Cross-country" license (it's covered in the Private
Pilot requirement)
\_ http://www.propilot.com |
| 1998/4/17-18 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13978 Activity:high |
4/17 Thanks to everyone who helped with airfare suggestions. Last night
United opened up some cheaper seats (thank goodness!). For those
of you who are still students, the TWA student pack is indeed a good
deal and you may want to check it out. --tabloyd
\_ Hey, tabloyd, you secretly got married with norby without telling
the soda community!
\_ you say that as if it were a bad thing.
\_ shit, norby's more sick minded than I thought.
\_Heh, we certainly didn't keep it a secret ... we just didn't
feel any need to announce it in the motd!
\_ How did norby and tabloyd first meet? Did norby hit on
tabloyd with write and hit jackpot?
\_Uh, no. Thank goodness -- I'd have ignored him if he'd
tried the write thing -- it's so cliche...
\_ I used the old lame excuse "It's dark, I'll walk you home"
to get into her place, then raped her and we became
famously in love. It was so romantic living out the Luke
And Laura story in real life. -norby
\_ This is just ultra-rude
\_ Go ahead, lie, say you didn't laugh, or at least
smile?
\_ I didn't laugh. I didn't even smile -aspo
\_ I laughed. I cried. It was better than Cats! |
| 1998/4/17 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13976 Activity:high |
4/16 I need to buy tickets to fly to Newark in slightly over two weeks.
The costs I'm being quoted are outrageous ($770+rt) using
http://reservations.com & calling the airlines directly. Any suggestions
of other, possibly cheaper places to check? Thanks! --tabloyd
\_ buying tickets less than 30 days in advance is way expensive
\_Yes, thank you, I'm aware of that. It's unavoidable in this case.
That's why I'm asking if anyone knows a (legal) way to help
save at least a little money on this...
\_ I think flying standby is cheaper
\_ If twa flies there, there's a travel pack, 4 one ways to
anywhere for about 500. You might want to call for info.
flights need to be booked 14 days in advanced.
\_ Try STA at the MLK Student Center. I flew from SFO to Newark to
Detroit and back for about $400 this past winter break through
them.
\_Expedia.msn.com lists a flight on United from SFo to EWR for 5/1
for $624. It's not dirt cheap, but... |
| 1998/2/1 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13603 Activity:nil |
1/31 how do you all make flight plans? ive called the airlines
and looked at web pages, etc. does anybody have a good
travel agent (i prefer if theyre in berkeley/albany area)
they can recommend? im kind of getting stressed wondering
if im getting ripped off or not. --hahnak |
| 11/22 |